In these days so dominated by dispensationalism, listening to Tom Wright is like a breath of fresh air. ✔️

@Henry-yh6vv

6 ай бұрын

Not a Christian, but I actually kind of appreciated the Dispensationalism perspective for taking the Hebrew Bible more literally. I don't agree that the pre-trib rapture is in the Bible, but that's a similar kind of thing to the partial preterism of N. T. Wright. Both Dispensationalism and partial preterism will say that 1 Thess. 4 is talking about a different "coming" to Matthew 24:30. They can also then sometimes make a division in the Olivet Discourse where part of it is about one kind of "coming", and then it switches to speaking about a different "coming". So I would view this kind of inconsistency as a problem for both Dispensationalism and partial preterism.

@Powerslave-gi7nx

5 ай бұрын

@@Henry-yh6vv I have a question Henry, you say you’re not a Christian yet you study this stuff more than 99.9% of the professing church!! What might your interest in this subject be I’m really curious to know?

@Powerslave-gi7nx

5 ай бұрын

@@Henry-yh6vv Anyway dear friend. I can’t help you with 1 Thes 4. As a new Preterist myself that’s still a real problem passage for me to fully understand too but I do know that if we keep seeking, the Spirit WILL reveal these difficulties to us. That’s my testimony. Just keep going and things will be revealed to each one of us ‘at the appointed time’ on our individual journey.

@Powerslave-gi7nx

5 ай бұрын

@@Henry-yh6vv You are definitely correct though how Jesus switches thought mid flow. The best example I can think of is Nicodemus being ‘born again’ along with the woman at the well story and the dual meaning of ‘water’. We must always ask, is the subject we are reading to be interpreted physically or spiritually.

@Henry-yh6vv

4 ай бұрын

@@Powerslave-gi7nx Hi, I got interested in Christian eschatology from a skeptical perspective, and so I got books on some of the different positions.

KZread needs a feature where no one can comment until they’ve watched the video.

@curiousgeorge555

Жыл бұрын

lol, no kidding!

I appreciate the perspective, I am a Christian not because there is a(could be) a reward, pie in the sky. Rather the ways of Jesus are just the best way to live life, the reasons for the present unhappiness in the world is a lack of connection with the person of Jesus. I appreciate the pointing out the failure of hope, there is another driving factor and this is Love and the resurrection that it brings.

@Azamat421

Жыл бұрын

Cuz of money

@JohnSmith-kr6ek

Жыл бұрын

You do know King James had a English version written and it was done by Jews and Greeks neither were Christians. Never in all his days on earth did any of the disciples call him Jesus. What's weird Jesus in Latin is pronounced "Hey Zeus". Did the Greeks get in a jab at King James?

@TheJCFan

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-kr6ek Its called transliteration. It happens with all words passed from one dialect to another. Transliteration does not change the *meaning* of the name. Jesus still means "Yah's salvation"

@clarkelaidlaw1678

Жыл бұрын

@jeremyprovince4942...I don't know who could agree with your statement about Jesus.His central doctrine was horrible.He told men that he met to desert their wives children and animals and follow him.this cruel command would have left the deserted family heart broken and in a desperate struggle for survival in the harsh desert without the main provider who suddenly left.His reason for this he said was because the world would end during the lifetime of the apostles.He was cruel to demand that from uneducated desert tribesmen and he was wrong because his prophecy failed.Furthermore,Jesus did not mention anything that was not known at that time.He did not know the true age of the earth.he did not know the Americas and South pacific countries existed.He did not know that several other humanoid species that were our relatives but became extinct some 40,000 years ago. He did not tell the men to stop forcing their wives to sleep outside in a shed with the goats during their menstrual cycle. he did not even know enough about medicine to give us a talk on germ theory that would have prevented millions of people from dying from preventable diseases. there were more than 300 self proclaimed messiahs who were crucified by the Romans in that era.there is no reason to suggest that Jesus knew any more or was a better person than any of the others.it is high time we humans grow up and out of this bronze age nonsense.

@petermichels9462

Жыл бұрын

@@clarkelaidlaw1678 Geez, I hope you don’t think this is how everyone cherry picks twisted interpretations. - jesus gave quite clear and simple teachings on how to live Life better, and ( briefest and clearest) most simply summarized all commandments as “ Love thy neighbor as thyself” - how can we “ find everyone” who translates this in the odd way you present? The related greatest commandment is to love the lord thy God, who is the Word ( Teachings of God) that point the Way, shine the Light, to live a more virtuous Life - which is exactly what Jeremy simply is pointing out. Whether you agree with any religion or not, it’s hard to understand why you see this so negatively. (You are accurate, though: Jesus neglected to tell us “not to run with scissors”)

I don't know why this is controversial. But then again this is how I learned it long before I ever heard of N.T. Wright.

@justnoted2995

Жыл бұрын

well, maybe it is time you state here what you know about the second-coming of Christ

@logic8673

Жыл бұрын

Jim, Don't be deceived. Read for yourself. Mathew 24 and many places. What does it say to you?

@annchovey2089

Жыл бұрын

Tim LaHaye Left Behind books and The Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsay did a number on a lot of people. Those people should Google how the rapture theory got started.

@Jim-Mc

Жыл бұрын

@@logic8673 It says to me Jesus prophesied the destruction of the Temple and the end of Judaism as they knew it.

@eekay5710

Жыл бұрын

​@@justnoted2995 The word "second" before 'coming' was brought in by translators. Christ alreády came and is ríght inside of us, waiting for the world to awaken and become aware of His indwelling presence. Col 1:26,27 'the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints. To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in (ín!) you, the hope of glory! We are the clouds, His holy temple, His sanctuary, His dwelling place .. and from out thís holy temple He will soon manifest His final appearances as 1Thes 4 have it! Jesus has made us óne with Himself at the cross! It's only the carnal mind that still pictures distance and separation. John 14:20 + 17:22,23

1 Thessalonians 4:16 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first 1 Thessalonians 4:17 “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

@robertbruce1552

Жыл бұрын

I would like him to comment on that.

@paulgranpop536

Жыл бұрын

@@robertbruce1552 Yes so would I especially about the meeting in the air bit. This as opposed to every eye will see him. Been inside clouds you cannot see out of them, let alone see into them.

@Heb101922

9 ай бұрын

@@robertbruce1552 He does teach on that and it connects very nicely with what he says above.

@catpocalypsenow8090

7 ай бұрын

It's the Day of the Lord. What's the confusion?

@savedbygrace8337

5 ай бұрын

@@daveharris9120 1 Thessalonians 4:16 “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” The second coming (rapture) will be a noisy affair. Revelation 1:7 “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.”

Jesus Never Left! He left His Spirit Here With us..each of us..within us. If we are listening we are Obeying His commandments and Forgiving EveryOne..just as He Did the First time!

@willpower6720

4 ай бұрын

Yes Jesus did leave and Ge sent the Holy Spirit just as He promised.

What a wonderfully informative exposition from Prof. Wright. I enjoyed this immensely. I have always believed that much of the difficulty surrounding religion and faith stemmed from problems of language and translation as well as culture.

The comments are generally revealing.I find it difficult, however, to believe that any commentators have actually listened carefully to his comments and observations?

Thank you for posting this video.

Brilliant statement by NTW

Love listening to NT Wright! Totally agree with him about the problem of premillennial dispensational teaching in the west. I taught it for years until I realized this doctrine just did not add up. But I have also realized that there were many “comings” of Christ. FIRST he came we can all agree in a manger (Luke 2:10-12). But everyone then tends to jump to a physical second coming forgetting the actual SECOND coming via the Spirit (St. John 14:3, 16-18). Then there was a THIRD coming promised by Christ and was fulfilled when he came in judgement as prophecies in Matthew 24:30.

As erudite as he is, not every topic is N. T. Wright's strength. As do many replacement theology advocates, he holds forth on eschatology without educating himself on the subject.

@markadams8942

2 ай бұрын

No lack of humility is this comment!

mind blowing! learning so much!

I listen to NT Wright a lot, and every time I listen to him, I have to listen to him a lot. But if it's like a curtain then why did the disciples look up as Jesus was leaving.

@youngmarcio

10 ай бұрын

Something unusual will happen before he returns, trust me it's not what anyone thinks

@TS-yd6cn

6 ай бұрын

​@@youngmarciowould you share what you think it is? Or are you just saying you don't know either? Do you think we're supposed to recognise it coming?

@mbfrommb3699

Ай бұрын

​@@youngmarcio Amos 3:7

@sidrojoe

Ай бұрын

Jesus is coming in the clouds, every eye will see Him, if He appeared on a street corner, or parking lot, how could every see Him, will everyone be given x-ray vision to see through buildings and structures?

@user-kf8wb2cq4f

Ай бұрын

​@@TS-yd6cn...youngmarcio Doesn't know anything.

A new heaven and a new earth,

I've always wondered how students take notes in his classes...

@phillipsugwas

4 күн бұрын

Quickly

Very interesting. Thank you.

on and on.....I get lost, in the details.....like answer the question...

Interesting point of view. I am one of those who believe in the separate rapture and end coming of Jesus, and I believe this for number of reasons: 1) Jesus Himself told His followers that He'd return to take them to be where He is. This is in with a picture very familiar to Jews, that is, a wedding.(In old Jewish culture, the bridegroom after engagement would leave the bride with her parents, and proceed to go home to build a home for them in his father's insula, their family complex or compound. Upon completion, he would return for his bride with all his friends, family, and invited guests making as much noise and fanfare as possible, so as to let everyone know that he was returning for his bride and that there would be a wedding.) We see this marriage language in multiple places in the Old and New Testaments. 2) the joyful mood of this return for His followers starkly contrasts His appearance at the end, coming on a horse drenched in blood with the sword of His word coming from His mouth to judge the nations. (See Revelstions 19:11-16) 3) The angels at His ascension said, He'd return in this way. 4) if so many of the church fathers (who were Jewish) testified of this (and countless unnamed believers staked their lives on it), who are we to doubt that, that is God's intention? 5) whether the rapture happens or not does not change the fact that Jesus will return as He promised to rule the nations with a rod of iron, to set this right and make all things new. Lastly, many say this will be the end of Judaism and God's plan with the Jews. In answer to this, I'd point to the fact that Paul spent whole chapters of the letter to the Romans speaking on how God will not cast off His people. What's more, in the Old Testament this is also mentioned, especially by Davidin the Psalms, and the prophets. Ultimately, Jesus is coming back. Whether now, later, once or twice, He will come back. We just need to be patient and keep on doing His work of sharing the good news and helping people.

@astan6445

Жыл бұрын

I love your reply. I have an incurable cancer, so have spent more time than I expected to, pondering what happens next and the value of a life cut short with all the prophetic words spoken over my life, all the sense of what God had called me to coming to nothing in this age. Old people have to live in the immediate shadow of their mortality, but rarely share how they feel about this. As a relatively young person, who has been through the refiner's fire more than I believed possible, very little of what I have read in the chat, makes sense. There are so many angles and hints in God's word that I suspect it is just slightly beyond our ability to comprehend. For me, I am constantly challenged by the idea throughout the old testament that we sleep in death. An idea that was echoed by Paul. I spend a lot of time sort of sleeping, but I would better describe it as abiding. It is a state of being with Christ. I wonder if this is more a picture of what will happen to us between death and resurrection.

It's not important on how it will happen ( the 2nd Coming of Jesus) what's important is whether we can attain Salvation when He comes..

@robmarshall956

6 ай бұрын

My friend if you have no salvation when he comes there’s no second chances, you can’t honestly think your going to be about life unregenerate and at enmity toward God and then Jesus will rock up with the trumpets blasting and you get in a bus to Jerusalem and get it sorted ?? Today is the day of salvation my friend today !! If you are not sorted before you hear that trumpet then you will never be in Gods presence ever, you will be separated from him though. Nt wright is classed by most evangelicals as someone to NOT listen too and is lost on many matters.

@jjreddog571

3 ай бұрын

I had no trouble attaining salvation when I went to the cross as a sinner and believed in Him.

"'I am with you always." There's no waiting.

@Bijbelstudies

11 ай бұрын

Indeed, His Spirit is always with us...

@robertdouglas8895

11 ай бұрын

@@Bijbelstudies With the Resurrection, he showed he was not a body but spirit. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit

@Bijbelstudies

11 ай бұрын

@@robertdouglas8895 Actually He was both. That was the meaning of the incarnation. See 1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.

@robertdouglas8895

11 ай бұрын

@@Bijbelstudies Since we are spirit, not flesh, we are created in the likeness of God. You can pretend you are separate from God if you want, but I don't.

@robertdouglas8895

11 ай бұрын

@@Bijbelstudies Not just with us. In us. As us. One. 0 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

2:34 in theatre it would be a scrim. You cant see what is really on stage until it is revealed.

So good!

Revelation 22 :7, 12, 20 Jesus SAYS "behold, I AM COMING QUICKLY...." Titus 2: 13 Looking for the blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great GOD and Saviour.. Jesus Christ"

@harveywabbit9541

Жыл бұрын

And his wife exclaims "Not Yet."

Yes. Here but in another dimension!

..how long does it take for a beginning to end..?

Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy Name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.

Didn't Jesus's earliest followers believe he would be returning /re-appearing in their lifetime?

@user-kl9bi4jt4t

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, but the prophecies and warnings were not yet fulfilled, not even close.

@briandykeman4056

2 ай бұрын

He said not all of you will die before seeing my coming refering to John's vision of revelation. He also said in the time of the end there would be ways rumours of wars famines and earthquakes in various places. I sent think he implied it was soon but the disciples did

Thank you for this!

The actual end of the world practically is really when we ourselves die,

@alecepting1371

3 ай бұрын

Excellent point. We often forget that. That's how it ends for the vast majority of humanity. However, it's not really the end because the soul/spirit has been separated from the body, and the body has to be reunited with the soul/spirit for us to be completely human once again. So there must be a moment when all of us are united with our bodies and face judgment.

@leroybroun4106

3 ай бұрын

so the world didn't exist before you were born? or, if you die as a believer should you're children's fate be sealed at that point, whether they're believers or not? or if the seeds of salvation that u've spread that bring fruit after you die should not longer count towards you're heavenly rewards?

Having come out of that philosophy in the 70s, gone to seminary and taught the Bible for 35 years I have come to that dispensationalism is one of the biggest heresies in the church and it’s leading many people astray when they think about eschatology.

@DavidVonR

13 күн бұрын

Wow, you've taught the Bible for 35 years?

This guy needs to watch some Tovi Singer videos.

Its been a very ill minute since I've heard this voice. Ever surprised by Joy, but seldom off the fruit of our loom. Tough time to be be the Clive of ours. Especially after the TKs went home. Stay Mere, brother. I mean that.

@iarwainthabombadil7724

11 ай бұрын

TKs for life.

@iarwainthabombadil7724

11 ай бұрын

PPS, maybe you could convince the head of your order to buy Snowmass? Start a Taize without all that tricky French stuff. In America. In the mid 2020s. In the name of the King. Lord knows he's got the resources. #savesnowmass. "Then in the name of the King go find some old man with less lore and More Wisdom that still keeps some in his house!" -G-Unit, Houses of Healing, Return of the King. Big boy stuff. 😉 Peace, Eothain.

I would state Rev 11 is a sign that can't be mistaken. 1260 days as I read. For those not of the faith who accept the OT but not the NT I would state when the mount of olives is split in two to make a way of escape from the surrounding armies will be a sign from the coming of "the day of the lord". Those attacking armies will be destroyed by God not man. Ref Zech 14. The anointing in me greatly influences my view. I take this as literal. I believe in this testimony. "There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea." But the signs in Rev 11 can't be mistaken.

For further study, read R.T. France's commentaries on Matthew and Mark.

An erudite and eminent biblical scholar, N.T. Wright is worth considering (reading and listening to). Among the different / divergent theological views concerning the Return of Jesus Christ, "Dispensational theology" has dominated U.S. evangelicalism of the last 100+ years. Taking Revelation (the Apocalypse) as a case study, historically the 'book' has been read both allegorically and literally. Noted biblical scholar and church historian, Gerald Bray, shows simply how divergent views arose, especially the "background of fear...permeated the persecuted church of the second and third centuries." (Biblical Interpretation, pp. 449ff.) In context, the rise of "dispensational" (or "millenarianism" view, from Latin for '1000') was introduced to the U.S. through the Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, J. N. Darby (1800-1882). (A former colleague, Dr.Peter Lee, PhD, PhD wrote his noted UK dissertation on J. N. Darby.) Ironically, a similar "background of fear" lives in our time. A statement from Jesus is worthy of consideration: "I tell you, he (God) will give justice to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?" (Luke 18:8, ESV)

@tongakhan230

Жыл бұрын

Actually there is no one called a Bible scholar. Just pretenders to Bible knowledge. None of Jesus apostles had any human issued qualification. Only Paul had what can be called a human issued qualification. In fact, God hides the truth from these 'qualified charlatans' (Matthew 11:25).

@kidflersh7807

Жыл бұрын

@@tongakhan230 What are you talking about? Matthew 11:25 - At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. You are taking the verse out of context, egregiously. How are you any better than the biblical scholars? No, I think YOU are the pretender.

@rallegra

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for this info!

@abirdynumnum9612

11 ай бұрын

​@@rallegra An enlightening and wonderful book is, "Climbing Parnassus: A New Apologia for Greek and Latin" (Wilmington, Delaware: ISI Books, 2002) by Tracy Lee Simmons. This author secured a masters in classics from Oxford University.

@adamburling9551

7 ай бұрын

He knows what he's saying

Ah man. Very good.

Could of summed up this whole 10 min video with I don't know.

When Jesus comes...believe me....we'll know ( respectively)...and Christ walks with me, and is within me..daily, ( I can't see ??) through in Faith, I believe, whether on my right and left sides, or leading me, witin this difficult thing called " Life" ( Road to Emmaus reference..), "I know my Redeemer lives" Nice discussion Peace

@tongakhan230

Жыл бұрын

Jesus has come. His presence began in 1914. That signaled his first sign. (Matthew 24:7) “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, Historians called it World War 1 (1914-18). The 1 (one) for obvious reasons. Though Jesus is present in Kingdom power, humans in general wouldn't pay any attention (Matthew 24:39).

..how long does a beginning end...?

He returns through the real sons of God. Christ in us.

I have a serious doubts about popular definition rapture...

Spend your time doing good by helping the less fortunate or praying or asking God for mercy. Nobody knows the time of the next coming of Jesus except God the Father.

What was the answer?

True, the book of Revelation is filled metaphor and symbolism, but the Bible interprets itself. One can always look to other passages of scripture to fill in details or to make the meaning clear. The key to understanding Bible prophecy is knowing the identity of the end time nations discussed in these prophecies. With that understanding, Daniel, Revelation, the prophets along with Christ’s Olivet prophecies can be well understood.

He always comes and goes

The skeptical side of me wants to say that Inaugurated Eschatology is a patchwork that tries to placate and smooth over the inconsistencies in the new testament, one side saying that Jesus definitely thought that he was going to bring about God's kingdom ("and this is what it looks like", as Bishop Wright has put it before) and that his death would basically start "the end of the world" for lack of a better word, and that his apostles would all be alive to see the great judgement. on the other side are texts like Pauls later letters (Philippians, Ephesians, ect) and the Johannine corpus seem to imply that the church very early on stopped looking for "the big day" to be RIGHT right at the door, and focused more on the afterlife and a soon but not imminent coming. Between the "prepper" Consistent eschatology and the more moderate/later Realized eschatology of doing good in the now, I guess the Inaugurated view gives Christians the mandate to both prepare ourselves for what's coming and making right now more like what we believe is to come, since it's already here with us. TL;DR, Between something like Mark, Revelation or 1 Thessalonians with it's rushed tone and doomsday outlook and the more heaven-minded views of Ephesians or the First Letter of John, you have the Gospels of Matthew and Luke-Acts, especially in Matthew that expands Mark's (critics say, posthumous or concurrent) description of the Sack of Jerusalem and God's final judgement with a moral passage on the Judgement of the Sheep and the Goats, where the way the church acts and treats people right now will have an effect on how we spend the rest of our lives when, like paul says, "the perfect comes"

His voice is close enough to Christopher Hitchens, that for a moment I thought it was Hitchens defending Christianity

I won't hold my breath.

That's pure CS Lewis 101! 😀

I cannot explain why I believe I just do

I enjoyed the way he explained with his thick British accent. 😅

If one rightly divides scripture, this becomes simple to understand. Watch Justin Johnson at Grace Ambassador’s message on Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth.

Take heed that you are not deceived

I am reminded of the billboards that used to dot the interstates in NC at least, one of which said something to the effect: “why do you doubt my existence. I don’t doubt yours”, IIRC. Maybe his answer in this case would be: “why do you need to know”? 😏

Very Interesting 🎉

Wow! That is a lot of information! Thank you!

But.....the people who heard about it first must have not been the one's who disbelieved?

3:57 My understanding is that the sun moon and stars symbolizes old Israel that is about to be replaced with the new Israel. *Genesis 37:9* _"Then Joseph had another dream and told it to his brothers. “Look,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” He told his father and brothers, but his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream that you have had? Will your mother and brothers and I actually come and bow down to the ground before you?"_

@berememberedfortheloveyoug244

Жыл бұрын

That will be a great discussion.

@ZandJ12345

Жыл бұрын

He referred to Isaiah 13 and the fall of Babylon. A quick reading of that passage shows that Isaiah 13 is still yet future. I see your reasoning for saying the sun moon and stars symbolise Israel, but it’s hard to see that in Isaiah 13 or other passages. In my mind it’s better to take it literally with the sun moon and stars symbolising the sun moon and stars.

@PC-vg8vn

Жыл бұрын

More likely the sun, moon and 11 stars symbolized his father, mother and 11 siblings (11 is hardly a coincidence), indicating Joseph was more important than any of them. That is why his brothers became jealous. His father clearly understood what he was implying. I dont think there's any need to go beyond that.

When I listen to NT Wright I realize a lot of what I learned about the Bible is wrong

““Watch out! Don’t let your hearts be dulled by carousing and drunkenness, and by the worries of this life. Don’t let that day catch you unaware, like a trap. For that day will come upon everyone living on the earth. Keep alert at all times. And pray that you might be strong enough to escape these coming horrors and stand before the Son of Man.”” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭21‬:‭34‬-‭36‬ ‭NLT‬‬ Nothing is more useless then bible teacher.

@JuliusKwedhionMarriage

Жыл бұрын

Especially the present teachers who are into philosophies, theories and theologies of man, not based on the revelation of GOD but based on their own wisdom, and thereby they begin to scoff at scripture and anything that does not conform to their Doctoral theses and misguided scholarly conclusions.

@johnmichaelson9173

Жыл бұрын

Watch out, don't waste your life dreaming about a fictional nonsense. Heaven is behind a curtain, lols.

@logic8673

Жыл бұрын

The words are clear in many passages. It is literal.

@clarkelaidlaw1678

Жыл бұрын

yep.the bible reads like the ravings of a madman.full of ridiculous claims and contradictions and falsehood.one thing that it does make clear is that there was a lack of institutions for epileptics and schizophrenics in Palestine at that time.

@curiousgeorge555

Жыл бұрын

@@johnmichaelson9173 Oh but it is! It is right here and right where you are and 10 trillion light years away.

We call the curtain- a veil.

"...and then coming back to see how they were getting on" - we need a British translation of the bible, such that you can't help reading it without an accent

Honestly, still don’t know how he comes to those conclusions about the meaning of the darkening of the sun reddening of the moon verse in Isaiah (it also appears in Joel and Daniel), especially given to the way it’s presented in revelation. Maybe he’s right though, who knows

@lorenzor124

Жыл бұрын

The meaning is just that, in my view. I always say there will be 2 things that tell me (if we are still here) Christ is at the doorstep. The sun going black and red moon, and the Chinese Eastern armies on the border of Israel.

@lindajohnson4204

Жыл бұрын

If God darkens the sun, the sun reflected by the moon will automatically be dark red. And people don't think about it, but God can do that, and make any adjustments necessary in the universe.

@lorenzor124

Жыл бұрын

@@lindajohnson4204 Everything goes pitch dark when he comes back.

@lindajohnson4204

Жыл бұрын

@@lorenzor124 But if the sun is pitch black, you can't see the moon as blood. The words are open enough to interpret in terms of reality like that. Pitch black I'd an extreme possibility, but it does not seem to be what is meant. Besides, this is before Jesus returns in the clouds, right?

@lorenzor124

Жыл бұрын

@@lindajohnson4204 You are correct. My mistake was to say the moon will be red. Verse 29 says clearly it will NOT show light. So, I think it is a pitch darkness. And what a grand & terrifying entrance to blast into our dimension as a messiah warrior/conqueror. The level of terror for his enemies will be like nothing ever before.

Jesus Is The Word! ❤

Nothing beats human self or mass delusion

God is not slow in fulfilling his promises to his people. And just like the promise of his first advent that came in the "fulness of time" in real space and in real time in the real and substantial incarnation, he promised to return in the same manner - Scripture teaches it as a remembered real promise by our Lord - and because of that testimony, it will happen in the its own "fullness of time." Upon that you can place your complete trust. These scholastics and academic types know not the Scriptures nor do they know the power of God. So take everything they say with a grain of salt.

@JuliusKwedhionMarriage

Жыл бұрын

And we must totally reject whatever they say which doesn't agree with, and is in contradiction to, holy scriptures.

@alexanderv7702

Жыл бұрын

​@@JuliusKwedhionMarriage or your interpretation "of holy scripture "!

@JuliusKwedhionMarriage

Жыл бұрын

@@alexanderv7702 I agree, we must also reject your interpretation of holy scriptures if doesn't agree with, and is in contradiction to, holy scriptures. I have no qualms with you on that one.

All I needed to hear was the term "Literary Genre". Enough said. The Gospel is the "Word of God". Not literary genre. "This same Jesus will come again"!!!°

He does not appear to Paul, it’s a bright light and a voice saying why do you persecute me?

@hannannah1uk

Жыл бұрын

Paul said even Satan can appear as an angel of light and we surely know Satan can say anything .. he is the Father of Lies after all. #JesusWordsOnly ✝️

This man has it right. It is an inner reality that we experience in the here and now. Jesus returned in the Spirit on the day of Pentecost and that is when the prophecy about the moon turning to blood was fulfilled. Peter said that in his discourse to those that where present. And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, And signs in the earth beneath; Blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before that great and notable Day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Acts 2:18‭-‬21 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:20,21 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matthew 28:27,28 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21 KJV Heaven is within us, it is a spiritual kingdom not one that is physical. The hope is that one day all people will be converted and come to union with God when heaven and earth are one. We can become of that reality now. Where the veil is lifted and God is manifest within his children. when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. 2 Thessalonians 1:10 KJV

Preterism and supersessionism is NT Wright's lethal cocktail. Dispensationalism is a red herring...

To N.T. Wright, how do you know? You're a fitting the Bible narrative into your best explantion, your view, how do you know that's the right conveyance?

@WH-hi5ew

5 ай бұрын

Everybody does that though... try to fit the narrative to a best explanation.

The Jews and Christians of the First Century didn't think that heaven was some "other dimension" for example. "Popular cosmology at the dawn of the Common Era in the Middle East held that the universe was geocentric and spherical and divided into many layers (see Chapter 3, §1), with the first layer of ‘heaven’ often called the ‘firmament’ (being the foundation holding up all the others) and consisting of all the air between the earth and the moon (or sometimes the same term only meant the topmost part of this: the sphere traveled by the moon)." Carrier, Richard. On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt (p. 257). Sheffield Phoenix Press. Kindle Edition.

Don't hold your breath.

Like David's Tabernacle YOU are the tent 🎪 The WORD is written on your hearts 🥰 The Spirit of God is in YOU 🎉 sABBAth with Daddy 24-7 ❤ A LIVING ARK OF THE COVENANT 🔥 A TEMPLE MADE WITHOUT HANDS ❤ Keep the Feasts of the Lord by the Spirit once for all time becoming a Temple Made without Hands 😮

If the big JC does come back take time for contemporary evidence. . It’s sure to come in handy don’t you think?? Cheers Mike

I love N.T. Wright's teaching, and he continues to help me understand Scripture. In the light of this video, I have a question: What does it mean when in the gospels, the writers say that Jesus looked "up" to heaven and prayed to the Father. I just saw that (in Luke 11 or 12, I think). Thank you!

@djparsons7363

5 ай бұрын

Well, he looked upward simply because that's where his Father is and that's who he prays to.

@tjcib

4 ай бұрын

I would point you to the postures of prayer described in the Psalms. Lifting your eyes is a common posture of praise and prayer.

Hey, it’s NT “Right”!!

We just have to look at the fall feast days instead of being intellectual theologians.

Theology student here. Is it me or did the English professor misspeak at 5:36 onwards? Doesn't the fall of jerusalem and creation not returning to primeval chaos show that Jeremiah WAS actually a false prophey? Surely not? He said that Jeremiah prophesized that when Jerusalem would fall it would be like without form and void, like a primeval chaos. He then goes on to say that when Jerusalem fell, nobody considered Jeremiah as a false prophet because the earth had not gone back to chaos. But thay doesnt make sense? My view is: According to what he said at the beginning, the prophecy of jerusalem falling, there would be chaos, but when it DID fall there was no chaos, therefore by logic, Jeremiah was a false prophet because the chaos he was prophesizing did not occur? Check out 5:36 maybe it was the jet lag! 🤔

I tend to agree with Wright. Though it's interesting that if Colin Humphreys is correct, there was a blood-red moon on the day Jesus was crucified (Fri 3 April AD33). But yes much of what Jesus said at the end of Matthew for example actually refers to the coming destruction of Jerusalem, not His return. I think the disciples assumed the Temple destruction was the sign for Jesus' return which is why they conflate that with the destruction, but He didnt actually say that. Just that it would happen before, but not how long before. In effect Jesus was reiterating what Daniel had already been told centuries earlier, that the messiah would be killed and then Jerusalem would be destroyed.

The description of appearing reminds me of the tearing of the curtain that separates the holiest of the holys from us at the time of Jesus's crucifixion, the tearing of the veil - Perhaps that's why Jesus says the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand

I’m thinking about the doubting Thomas stuff

When pure guesswork tries to pass as wisdom.

The great marriage … heaven and earth ….

@salv1able

3 ай бұрын

Yes!

How unfortunate that Scripture was only written for the intellectuals.

Interesting that Tom Wright can clearly see biblical metaphors as in the book of Mark but cannot see it in how some people see heaven (God’s space) being above. (Comments about Australia and NZ) It’s almost characterising people as believers in a flat earth rather than as a way of understanding heaven through metaphor: remembering that metaphor always stands for something real. Yes Jesus fulfils the law and is the new temple - built up in 3 days. I think there is still room to say that God did not ‘un-choose His people notwithstanding that we gentiles were grafted onto the Jewish vine.

Jesus christ , will return when he ready, and u will know when he is on earth 🌎!

How will I know? We shall know Him for we shall be like Him! Its really not that difficult. Most theological expositions do just that, expose their own bias and then praise themselves about their great wisdom ! So grateful to the words of Jesus who said, He made known His plan understandable to little kids! No need of theologians, just His Holy Spirit.

@beparticular1240

7 күн бұрын

Amen. C.S. Lewis said we would know more five minutes after we are in heaven than in a lifetime of speculating. You are right. Jesus said the Holy Spirit would teach us all things. Praise God!

I am amazed that intelligent people in the 21st century can still believe in fairy tales.

@freethebirds3578

Ай бұрын

Like the ones who believe they are smart enough to decide how the world was made?

If you want to be Enoch you'll have to walk with God.

Luke 23 was not just about the fall of Jerusalem, it was also predicting the 2nd coming of Jesus. 25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

@jaysonb.6669

4 ай бұрын

Coming in a cloud with power and great glory was also used in OT about God's judgement. God was not meant to be riding on a cloud. Similar to what happened during the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by the Romans. Although if you read the account of Jewish Roman historian Josephus about Jerusalem's sacking in 70AD, he describes some pretty wild supernatural things occurring among the clouds overhead.

Heaven is the monastery you lived in.

Come quickly dear Jesus! ! !

@salv1able

3 ай бұрын

Yes

All human thoughts. Not the ALPH BYTH

I have always been fascinated by eschatology and find the most troubling view is the dispensational one.

@willpower6720

3 ай бұрын

There are dispensations of eras. God has worked differently in these dispensations. It’s not hard to understand.

@zanelowrey7871

3 ай бұрын

@@willpower6720 Absolutely but dispensational eschatology is very weak. The Rapture and 2nd coming of Jesus are the same event. Otherwise you have the 2nd Coming of Jesus and the 3rd.

Every eye will see him. .. like lightning. ... not here or there. .. or in this house that house. .. and some saw. .. and come to see. .. not anything like that!

He says the Jews in Jesus' time were looking for God's literal kingdom on earth, and that this is what Jesus was preaching about. What reason, then, is there to think that Jesus actually meant some sort of subtle changing of the world through the Gospel message rather than a literal, imminent kingdom? The other apocalyptic Jews, including John the Baptist, believed a literal kingdom was coming, so wouldn't the most reasonable conclusion be that Jesus thought this too? The above question is kind of tongue in cheek. I know why people come up with these sorts of interpretations; it's because they are committed to the inerrancy to the Bible and thus have to somehow make all the different messages in the synoptic Gospels and John fit together and be right. But historical study shouldn't rely on faith claims.

Generation upon generation of Christians have been predicting these things. This started with Jesus. These things are not going to happen. Live your life.

Now that we've been schooled on the phenomenon of a second coming, we can turn our attention to much more probable phenomena like the existence of the tooth fairy or the recently reported siting of Santa's sleigh over Miami.