sounds like a fluff piece for the worlds worst employers

@agent1.618

2 ай бұрын

that's precisely what it is 💯

@shellysmith1037

Ай бұрын

it is.....

Yeah sure you created hundreds of "new" jobs AFTER firing 1000's of old ones

@cnsmiles

2 ай бұрын

exactly. as if the purpose of robotics is to improve the worker. its to get rid of them.

@JakeStewart1343

2 ай бұрын

​@@cnsmilesIt reminds me of the Industrial Revolution. Machines replaced humans, and now 80% of our population can't be farmers anymore. 😢 Entrepreneurs had to get creative and create new markets. 🤷‍♂️

@zeighy

2 ай бұрын

Just as much as you don't see any elevator operator anymore... That's literally how technology works. It will always keep happening. Upskilling and shifting jobs is how we humans remain irreplaceable. That's literally our advantage. We're not machines to do exactly the same job in our lifetime.

@themissn

2 ай бұрын

exactly!!!

@TL-rh1lf

2 ай бұрын

@@zeighy we only 62 percent of working age people employed in the economy.. seems like we're losing ground

They are not doing this out of the kindness of their hearts...

@emem2863

2 ай бұрын

Like most businesses that aren't nonprofits. As long as people benefit, why is their motivation relevant?

@shiptj01

2 ай бұрын

@@emem2863 People aren't benefitting. Their dollar will be worth less and they'll be further indebted to these organizations.

@emem2863

2 ай бұрын

@shiptj01 That's not how upskilling works when a company pays for it. You're thinking of attending a for-profit college. Upskilling when a company pays for it is a modern buzzword for employee training or tuition reimbursement. It's not even a new concept. Companies used to do this in the 1950s when they promoted from within.

@davidbrooks8809

2 ай бұрын

The bottom line they just want to make more profits😢😂

@shiptj01

2 ай бұрын

@@davidbrooks8809 Correct.

The issue being these people finding new positions within a company are few and far in between. When you have a warehouse full of workers, only a small percentage will have the ambition to seek these newer positions. The biggest things these companies are looking at financially are work injuries, paid vacations/time-off/sick pay, retirement contributions, health insurance, union strikes, and lawsuits, to name a few. None of which a robot will ever need aside from the occasional breakdown. And if it can't be repaired, it will just be replaced with no complaints from the robot......

@StopCensoring-fq5fl

2 ай бұрын

That sounds more like the truth and it's plausible. The minority are upgrading their skills not the majority.

@theotheleo6830

2 ай бұрын

And too often, if you want one of those better paying jobs, you have to relocate.

@quantumhelium

2 ай бұрын

This is the smartest comment here

@sdigf3167

2 ай бұрын

It's not even about ambition. Many factors can be in play, and many may be out of the person's control. If you have 100 ambitious people, and only 1 spot, you can't blame the 99 for not getting that spot.

@sdigf3167

2 ай бұрын

@@theotheleo6830 To where exactly?

So, she "pivoted" from Walmart to driving, which meant effectively starting all over again. Then, when the trucks drive themselves in 5-10 years, she'll have to "pivot" again, and start from zero again. This is not "upskilling", this is getting fired and finding a new job, for every "Jackie" out there, there were 30 "others" that are out of luck.

@mepulley7913

2 ай бұрын

Guess what? That new tech is already here. About two years ago I was watching 60 minutes cover a piece about this. Amazon has already been using this tech.

@eugenes9751

2 ай бұрын

@@mepulley7913 2 years ago we didn't even have ChatGPT 3.5, now we have Ai models that blow 90% of humans out of the water, in every single category.

@JayJ6198

2 ай бұрын

@@mepulley7913saw this stuff around 2014, they need to hurry up then

@sistacoin

2 ай бұрын

She can still become an engineer to fix those automated trucks. The human elements will be needed in these areas as our minds are building out these ideas, just like how we've been doing all along. Change is always inevitable with humans. Some of us don't want changes and that's your right.

WOAH SHE INVESTED IN HERSELF AND ADDED SOME SKILLS AND CHANGED HER LIFE🤯🤯🤯🤯

@citrosoda5370

2 ай бұрын

Being more skilled makes it more likely your career will get better?!? 🤯🤯🤯🤯

@scotthearts9634

2 ай бұрын

​@@citrosoda5370I can't tell if mocking this person or being sarcastic 😂😅

@andrewzimmerofficial

2 ай бұрын

@@citrosoda5370 WOAH 🤯🤯🤯

It's always like this. Learn something new or become stagnant and obsolete. Adapt or be left behind.

@eugenes9751

2 ай бұрын

Except that now Ai is learning and adapting wayyyyyyyyy faster than you. So whatever new skill you go and learn will be obsolete before you're done learning it. Even the jobs that require a physical person to do them will be replaced in

@edenassos

2 ай бұрын

@@eugenes9751 AI can't start their own businesses. I'm safe. In fact, I will make full use of AI and automation to run my businesses.

@sistacoin

2 ай бұрын

​@edenassos If you think it you can manifest it. I was already thinking of an AI ran company in early 2010s. In high school thinking of devices to detect danger and help warn the driver or stop the car. I was young and didn't know that someone somewhere would still manifest that idea that me and a few classmates came up with in the early 2000s. Jobs have always been replaced and either you know this or want things to stay as-is.

@edenassos

2 ай бұрын

@@sistacoin ?? What are you talking about? I'm already a business owner. You're still "thinking"?

Of course they don't mention the thousands laid off, just the few they promote.

@helloooo7703

2 ай бұрын

It was mentioned at 3:33 🤨…

@inquisitorofthegodemperor8434

2 ай бұрын

Survival of the fittest in this economy

@aquariumlife2929

Ай бұрын

Yes. This was a ad not a news report, it's so clear to see.

How much did Amazon and Wallmart pay for this?

@sdigf3167

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, it struck me as a commercial too. I notice that they did the segment on the ONE guy that kept a job, not the thousand that lost one.

@andynull8869

2 ай бұрын

why do you think they payed for it....? They use your tax dollars for that hahahaha...seriously though

@TheGreatSalsaMan

Ай бұрын

More than they pay their workers 🤣

I'm no mathematics major but these companies are replacing 150-300k jobs with 10-20k new jobs. LET THAT SINK MAN.....

Hmm. Okay. Some workers might benefit, but most won't.

@GameHEADtime

2 ай бұрын

Yeah seriously like they always bullshitting

@andynull8869

2 ай бұрын

you need to learn this word "negligible"

I used to work at a factory. I was netting $500/week. Then, one day I looked up & a robotic set of arms was a yard away from me, packing the boxes ten times faster than I. Needless to say, I was mad asf.

@sleepmoneyken9234

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂

6 figures for driving a truck? Where's my DMV manual!

@theboringchannel2027

2 ай бұрын

six figures of REVENUE, she is now an independent contractor who owns the truck and its payments and maintence bills, along with the fuel bill. What is left is her "salary" likely in the 60-70k range.

@MrWaterbugdesign

2 ай бұрын

Sure, sign up. Then learn the reality.

@smallpeople172

2 ай бұрын

@@MrWaterbugdesignstarting salary around ny state is 34/hr for CDL-A drivers. Owner operators easily make 200k+ gross. I found a job fresh out of a CDL-A course, with xpo, just got my license, earning 36/hr plus benefits out of Bridgeport ct, home daily around 7pm, only five days per week.

@victorhardin2186

2 ай бұрын

​@MrWaterbugdesign everyone falls for it

@xNialx

2 ай бұрын

​@@smallpeople172Found the recruiter.

6 figures for driving a truck?? What the. Why did I bother getting a degree

@leonardosanchez5666

2 ай бұрын

Yess that was wayy before the 90’s before I was born truck drivers have always gotten paid more but not diesel prices going up making them pay more and now we have to

@UncleDavesKitchen

2 ай бұрын

Here in Arizona we've had self driving cars for a decade. She best invest that 6 figure income while she's still getting it.

@crystalsswtor3760

2 ай бұрын

Truck drivers like that always made good money, because of the risks involved in that job.

@dillysgirl4ever

2 ай бұрын

Makes me wish I was 30 or 35 years younger. I’d sign up for a truck driver course too!

@UncleDavesKitchen

2 ай бұрын

@@dillysgirl4ever I've been watching a truck driver channel here on KZread, Mother Trucker is the channel. He says they are going broke and many drivers laid off.

So like a handful of people got new jobs. And even those jobs are said to be replaced in a decade.

@andynull8869

2 ай бұрын

few work in the house most work in the field...

@shaunmc013

2 ай бұрын

A decade is what ten years from now, in ten years they’ll transition to another career. So what’s the problem? You should constantly be looking to level up..

6 figures as a truck driver for Walmart? Note: Private Fleet Operator You pay for the gas, maintenance and lease and haul for only Walmart. Diesel prices go through the roof, your problem. Engine blow out, your problem. Sick days, vacation days, health insurance. You are independent honey, figure that out on your own. We are cutting your pay because Walmart's family needs more money. Thinking of hauling for someone else? The truck you leased is Walmart's so keep hauling baby! Doubt you are making any more than being a picker.

@Supreme-gu1jz

2 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Truckers take on all the cost of the truck. Some after expenses are walking away with 20k at the end of the year.

don’t kid ourselves automation is there reduce labor. lees employment for sure.

@edenassos

2 ай бұрын

Robots don't cry about tough conditions or discrimination. Robots are superior.

This fluff piece paid for by Walmart

Nice to see this 😊lady upgraded and making her own

Let's keep glorifying the system...

@God7OD

2 ай бұрын

And don't forget to pay your taxes

@davidbrooks8809

2 ай бұрын

Sad😢

@chris135x

2 ай бұрын

@@God7OD I'm happy that I stopped filing my taxes in 2021. I'm not doing that any longer when the government won't fill the potholes.

@eugenes9751

2 ай бұрын

​@@chris135x LOL. You do that. Living in prison is cheaper than rent, so you show the man! 🤦

@chris135x

2 ай бұрын

@@eugenes9751 The money I earned isn't even worth taxing. I work as a dishwasher.

So glad a robot doing all the physical work for me now I can save my energy so I can hit the gym after work to stay in shape

@TheGreatSalsaMan

Ай бұрын

Found the CEO

Blue collar jobs can be a hard adjustment from an office job. I learned this the hard way especially at my age. I became an automotive technician and make more then double then my previous stagnant office job

@evanderholyfeels

2 ай бұрын

stagnant office job killing me rn

Tell me this is propaganda without telling me it’s propaganda. So they’re just going to ignore the thousands of hardworking people laid off for the sake of “not hurting people on the job”, c’mon, the cooperate executives are saving the payouts for their benefit, laughing all the way the bank. 💰

Amazon Continues to Layoffs....

@sdigf3167

2 ай бұрын

Layoff thousands, and keep one. And make a commercial making them sound like a hero. Pure propaganda.

I love this! Opportunities for people to earn more.

Robots will drive those trucks and robots will help the other robots complete their task. SCARY!

@babblesp1367

2 ай бұрын

And, nobody will be working.

@eugenes9751

2 ай бұрын

@@babblesp1367 That's an interesting way of saying "Everybody will be unemployed and homeless"... When consumerism no longer requires consumers then YOU no longer have any use to the system. We went from telling people to "Learn to code" to "Oh, Ai systems are already doing 90% of the coding"..... "oops"...

60k for an automation manager??😢

@Chopsuey087

2 ай бұрын

I make 80k just as an automation technician my manager probably makes 150k+.

@eugenes9751

2 ай бұрын

An Amazon automation manager. They can afford to pay nothing, because they have an unlimited supply of desperate people. And it'll only get worse.

@Trollbot007

2 ай бұрын

@@Chopsuey087 okay. That makes more sense.

An autonomous world is near. Hard work of the future will be pushing buttons Learn, adapt or get left behind

@eugenes9751

2 ай бұрын

Why would we hire anybody to push buttons when software can easily automate that?

Education is The Key to Future Success 👍

Expect AI to take 30% of the workforce in the next 10 years.

@everythingisfine9988

2 ай бұрын

People will flood into the trades. Then trade income will drop

@Whooshta

2 ай бұрын

@@everythingisfine9988 maybe.

@LoveFactorySweatShop

2 ай бұрын

I think it'll be 80%, mostly offshore talent like in India.

@Whooshta

2 ай бұрын

@@LoveFactorySweatShop 80% reduction in total workforce by AI?

@LoveFactorySweatShop

2 ай бұрын

@@Whooshta more like 80% unemployment of white collar workers, globally. Maybe a few decades after that after that, 80% of blue colar workers.

The examples are like winning the lottery. The average employer wants skill-less hires to abuse for physical labor. College education as a woman is an easy way to not get hired

@leonardosanchez5666

2 ай бұрын

Many banks are hiring being a woman has nothing to do with it

@AKAAAK

2 ай бұрын

These are warehouse type positions, not banks. You won't find your average woman working a warehouse position. As well many banks are becoming automated. Back when I was younger, you could walk into any bank and you would see 5-10 tellers ready to assist, not today. My bank has 2 teller windows and 3 full sized ATM machines inside not to mention the 2 atms outside. There's another BofA branch by my friends house that has no teller windows. It has 4 cubicles plus managers office and a wall full of atms.......

@theotheleo6830

2 ай бұрын

@@AKAAAK It cuts down on salaries and employee theft.

@AKAAAK

2 ай бұрын

@theotheleo6830 100% plus not to mention all the other fringe benefits that come with being an employee. But when you have automation, all that is gone. No salaries, no OT pay, no sick days, no health insurance, no unemployment insurance to payout, no injuries, no etc etc. Everything that applies to being an "employee" are evaporated. Less responsibility for an employer

ALWAYS BE LEARNING. There will always be a need for some human workers somewhere but there's no guarantee there will be enough jobs out there once automation takes over all of these types of jobs. So edge out the competition by ensuring you have employable skills.

Pallet stackers are huge on workers comps.

Nice to hear some good news for a change, especially in these times when there's so much bad news coming at us hard-n-fast.

@xNialx

2 ай бұрын

Ya... im assuming this was their outro to the news... when they tell ya about a inspiring story... You know, like the kid selling lemonade to pay for grandma's tombstone... it's inspiring. Rather than then the story being 'how fd up is our society to make a child help pay for their grandma's tombstone because their parents cant afford it working 2 fulltime jobs'

I work at a warehouse. When there’s not enough of work to go around, they cut people’s hours. This will only promote for dedicated people who are willing to stay in the company for years, to reduce employees and more machínery

27usd only, who can buy a home on that. this is a job that requires school to manage theses robots and it still doesnt pay a living wedge. idk what to say you guys

This is corporate media wouldn't be surprised if companies link this on their own internal news intranet site

What these companies need to be doing is offering training courses. Make people sign a contract or whatever it takes, but if they need capable employees they should offer to pay for their training under a contract or something.

It’s not robot taking over human jobs. It’s more humans making work easier with robots.

@eugenes9751

2 ай бұрын

Tell that to the 27,000 people who just got laid off from Amazon... You realize that if the human's job is easier with robots, than we require significantly less humans to do the job, right.....?

@cnsmiles

2 ай бұрын

Really? You actually believe the goal is to increase head count rather than decrease?

Congrats Jackie! Keep going cuz automation is coming for drivers soon 🙏🏾

👀 If these folks think tech can’t or won’t do those “upskilling” jobs in the next 5-10yrs, then they are highly delusional or very ignorant about tech in general. I didn’t see a single activity or job in this video that would suggest otherwise.

How do I appy for the driver for walmart?? Anyone??? I went to get my cdl on my own and have no restrictions on my cdl.. I always try to apply but get a 3rd party site all the time????

@BlessedNeverStressed-cl5cr

2 ай бұрын

It seems that it is for current employees only. I met with a walmart store HR manager in person who didn't seem to know anything about it. She introduced me to one of the workers who had just gone through the program but didn't make the cut. Apparently, you have to be a full time employee for at least one year to become eligible to apply. Go to your local Wal-Mart and try looking into it yourself. Also, for truck driving jobs in general, look into company training programs. Some companies such as Old Dominion have 6-8 week training programs (for OTR and home every night or local positions) that aren't always advertised. Call companies and ask if they have such a program. It can also benefit you since you most likely don't have experience outside of schooling. Do you have any endorsements? As you know, that is what will boost your pay and give you access to more opportunities. HazMats, oil/gas are the top ones. If you go this route, make sure your driving skills are top notch, safety first!

@eugenes9751

2 ай бұрын

Walmart doesn't care about you and will replace you as soon as they possibly can (as demonstrated in the video), apply literally anywhere else, maybe even consider going private.

@xNialx

2 ай бұрын

Not even worth going private unless you can secure a contract yourself, market is horse **** rightnow.

wow, this is good news!

Aren't they looking to automate trucking, though?

I seriously doubt these jobs are going away anytime soon. Most companies don't want to put forth the investment into their own employees, let alone automated equipment. Plus, any repairs will have to be done by a technician from the manufacturer, depending on when they'd be available next. You really think many of these retailers are willing to face the downtime of these expensive toys? I think not.

I’m all for automation! Faster, safer, less costly; and no lawsuits!

@babblesp1367

2 ай бұрын

It’s good, but only to a point! You automate too much and nobody will have jobs!!

@eugenes9751

2 ай бұрын

The rich get richer. The rest lose their jobs to automation...

Was the lack of mention of implementing a universal basic income in response to increasing automation an oversight by your show?

@eugenes9751

2 ай бұрын

330M US citizens, 1k/month = $4 TRILLION/Year. The ENTIRE federal tax system collects $5T/year. So yeah, no, UBI only works if you don't know how math works. And remember, that's ONLY $1k/month/person. Still not even remotely enough to live off of, even in the cheapest places in the US. Please stop with this nonsense.

@cnsmiles

2 ай бұрын

UBI will be the end of the USD dollar. Foreign investors will be leaving the US bond market in droves. As will domestic. Foreign countries that neither have deployed automation will not transact in a currency that rewards Americans to sit on the butts at their expense.

@excitebike64

2 ай бұрын

UBI will just be another trap to regulate how much everyone is worth. And it won't be much.

@edenassos

2 ай бұрын

Freeloaders want free money and then blame billionaires, hilarious.

Yeah! Talk to HR I'm sure they'd appreciate knowing your future plans so you don't unionize.

The problem is people lack knowledge,information and intellect. Learn how to code,computer program,quality control,data monitoring, etc you will never be out of a job

Training and skilling up at work are non existent. I have not experienced or witnessed this in my entire corporate life. Only layoffs - then watching the producers fight for scraps to make their managers look good.

I’m one of the 1700 that went through Amazon’s Mechatronics & Robotics Apprenticeship program from back in 2021 and wrapped it up in late 2022. Currently working in control systems for JLL, one of Amazon’s third party partners overseeing Reliability & Maintenance Engineering in north Florida Amazon fulfillment centers. Best decision I made in my life..

Better make the trucks fully autonomous as the driverless taxis in San Fransisco and make them run through a special lane with an electrical power source on top of it as the one in Lübeck, Germany. It's cheaper, faster, safer and it will lower the prices since it will solve supply chain problems

Wow 3/4 people actually think they’re irreplaceable? I didn’t think people were so naive.

@andynull8869

2 ай бұрын

capitalism is so anti-human...why do we continue with this??? We kinda deserve it..... And they still breed... it is soooo crazy

The biggest problem is Greed. The corporations don't have any problem using AI. I've noticed too many people are missing the big picture--sure, maybe YOUR job might not be done by AI (etc), but that doesn't mean that millions of other people's jobs won't be taken by AI. And you know who that effects? EVERYBODY!! This isn't going to happen overnight, but we're definitely heading there.

Truck driver looks amazing

Fluff piece 💯

Energy costs will be through the roof as well. Already data centers are eating up energy levels never seen before.

Soooo a company offered TRAINING???? Geee....it's like people do want to work....

Will companies employ the same number of employees or reduce their workforce?

Now THATS an Ad 😌

if everyone upskilled to machine operators only a few would get a job. essentially its like the floor manager would be the only human on the floor. A warehouse would only need a fraction of the human workforce. the working class of america would be forced to move to developing countries to find work and lower cost of living. AI/Robotics should be used for healthcare and government application only.

The moment robots learn how to load trucks sequentially from a belt line for delivery companies ie fed ex/ups its a wrap. Package handlers amount to 70% of their work force. Would cost the company billions to set that kind of operation at every wear-house.

Fact is, Amazon is paying for these *_few people_* to upskill by laying off *_the many_*

what happens when a robot can drive your truck

@mepulley7913

2 ай бұрын

It's already happening. I remember 60 minutes covering a story about two years ago where the auto-driven trucks were preforming on the road. Amazon already has been using this tech for their trucks.

And When you ask your sup or hr they will tell you there aren't any spots in the program.

A truck is not an office

Did Amazon and Walmart pay for this ad... I mean "report"

Basically if you party more than you study for new skills you're on the chopping block.

Robots must be pay social security, medicare and Medicaid too, like a regular employee 👍👍

Anyone could do it, but not everyone is needed.

That truck job will be replaced by autonomous trucks...

Great PR. We all know there's going to be jobs watching over the bots, but it still doesn't cover the many jobs it takes away.

this would only be good if you can train as many as you let go because of automation

Lady liberty coronet prospect is a crown.

yeah they really aren't looking to hire mechatronics and robotics apprentices in the US now

The ability to pivot on the job is absolute gold. Having confidence to learn and broaden your comprehension is a valuable skill. Talk to hr and your supervisor often. Being the solution will always get you paid .

How much did Amazon pay for this?

Welcome to 2008 and the ever changing world of work.

60k in management is hilarious low

0:58 now what’s she gonna do when they automate truck driving?

If only more companies would invest in their employees...not their board members!

Why are they acting like this is something new. If you’re at a job and you want to move up learn the skills and network and make it happen. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Software can replace "most" human minds, but not all.

Don't be deceived. The ratio is close to 100 to 1, meaning for every 100 layoffs 1 new job gets created that requires a brand new skill. Which means the other 99 are out of luck.

Awesome! Do that and stop believing bombastic politicians telling you they will bring your job back. They won’t. And the longer you wait for them the worst it is for you. Move on and learn something new. I did, have not looked back and I am super happy and secured for my retirement.

Unlike back then, when technological breakthroughs legitimately created more jobs, today's breakthroughs don't create enough jobs to replace the ones that disappear. With that said, nobody wants to lift boxes all day.

Looks like this is gonna put a lot of people out of work. I wonder who’s gonna be able to buy stuff in their stores if they don’t have any money sounds like that’s gonna put them out of business as well.

manager roles for 60k? effing weak. good for him but managers make from 80-100 by me

They are lying, most lose their job and fired from automation

it's survival of the skillest

You will always need someone to repair products after robots and someone to fix them!!! Easy manual labor like this anyone or almost anything can do it will get replaced

People whining about evil corporations prove the need for automation in the first place. Robots don’t unionize, they don’t show up late, and they don’t decide that they’re worth more despite zero increase in value to the company. Enjoy your $20 minimum wage while you still have a job 👍🏻

They do know the bot will upgrade to self-learning A.I. then gone are their jobs.

Work force I some places no good ppl sometimes m9ve around to look for work as to what is pay as to what is looking for sometimes they don't find it hometown (buffet ) they end up leaving to explore as to opportunities better choices some ppl leave do they have no butt work force as to looking for work is no good depending who as what I been looking for trabajo months leaving no luck usually always have luck in everything as work housing relationship 😮as to ppl not following me around as cavity some ppl are a cavity

But someone has to repair these robots because they don’t last forever

Never to late to get educated

@mepulley7913

2 ай бұрын

What no one tells you is the Cost associated with that education. Most people are in debt before they even begin their "careers".

@batman-cu1ep

2 ай бұрын

@mepulley7913 u don't have to go to a 4 yr college anymore. What are you talking about

@edenassos

2 ай бұрын

@@mepulley7913 Always excuses. One can learn anything online.

@mepulley7913

2 ай бұрын

@@batman-cu1ep - Depends on the field you choose. Most employers say they "prefer" a four year degree. Much hype was made about "Smashing the Paper Ceiling" but you still see plenty of office job postings where they prefer a four year degree. Not all, but a lot do.

I make way more lifting boxes than that technician dude

Oh not the warehouse stud

2:00 If "anyone can do this" why do they get paid 6-figures???

@rebeccafridaylover

2 ай бұрын

🤣Because it is financial suicide. She is independent. You pay for the gas, truck, maintenance and health care while taking all the risk for Walmart.

@xNialx

2 ай бұрын

Also, you work 70hrs a week on the book.. probably closer to 90 when you factor in the other things she has to do off the clock (and thats being generous). Never home Depending on your schedule 1-3 days before you can stop for a shower. I got out of the industry, too much bs.. not enough pay and best of all.. automation on its way to take those jobs too.

At a certain point automation will cause massive unemployment. Not saying its gonna happen now, but in 15 20 yrs we'll start to see it