I can't believe how complex this game is :O I've had it for a long time but never really got too far... I just got back to the game again, and really appreciate your guides. This game is crazy deep!

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

It is! Welcome back

@randybrandon2656

2 жыл бұрын

Instablaster...

"Lets fill this up with vacuum first" :D

Tempshift plates share heat with all adjacent tiles. If you put them on the edge, they heat up the insulated tiles which can heat up the environment.

One **extremely** important point that should be mentioned at the very beginning: all vents, geysers and volcanoes erupt from exact same spot, second tile to the left and one up. So if you don't dig it - nothing will erupt. The thing about tempshift plates you said at the end - Insulated tiles exchange next to zero heat with liquids/solids and a teeny tiny bit of heat with gases. UNLESS! you put a tempshift plate next to them. Those will gladly inject all the heat to anything they touch. So, don't build tempshifts next to walls, unless you want to get better temp injection into walls (there are setups that do that. In fact, all your "metal room cooling" could use tempshift plates.) Consider diamond glass tiles instead of metal for better thermal conduction.

@R4d6

3 жыл бұрын

Another thing to note is that while the geysers won't erupt if that specific spot has a tile, you won't be able to analyze it either until it is dug out. Also if you accidentally expose a Volcano, put a Coal Temperature Shiftplate in that spot, then the next time the volcano will erupt, the plate will turn in a solid tile of refined carbon, thus blocking the volcano. Note that it will only work with volcanoes because the volcanoes are the only things who's output is hot enough to make the trick work.

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

This is a great idea! Thanks for the info. I'm guessing at some point I will break this up into smaller videos and include DLC objects as well, so I'll be sure to include that next time.

@KittenyKat

2 жыл бұрын

I guess if you *have* diamond. But for 90% of ONI players: "Where the f*** do you get diamond?" XD

@alexanderharrison7421

2 жыл бұрын

@@KittenyKat Oil biomes, Buried Oil has them at the bottom of the map, Irregular Oil has them all over the place If you get a particularly large one you should be able to salvage a few tons

@Ghorda9

Жыл бұрын

@@KittenyKat anyone that's in mid game will come across it.

The easiest way to find vents on your map is to search by temperature. The neutronium shows up as absolute zero and sticks out among everything else.

@loladas9

2 жыл бұрын

Another good method is to search for priority, and find priorities hidden behind tiles

@TheRealObamagaming

2 жыл бұрын

did you say "among"

@vibe6223

2 жыл бұрын

It helps that buried vents will usually be buried by cool rock so it really does stick out

@Nowb0b

Жыл бұрын

I've always searched by mineral, they all have a very distinctive huge black blob shape on top of them (at least on the beginner asteroid). Much more obvious for me.

@BPond7

Жыл бұрын

I’m a newbie, and just bought the game. Every thing not explored is covered in black, so how do find the geysers in that case?

Love that you're using the youtube time stamps on the videos now! helps a lot :)

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

I was putting them on my older videos, but I got into a blitz of making tutorials for a little while and didn't have time to update it.

@SFCgunny

3 жыл бұрын

Helpful, but a very poorly structured tutorial...too much of it was not planned or thought out in advance, too much on the fly, too many corrections...too haphazard

@callummcneill6266

2 жыл бұрын

@@SFCgunny how about you just leave

@goldenpanda1134

2 жыл бұрын

Constructive pettiness

@michaelrichards5340

2 жыл бұрын

@@SFCgunny as a new player, TRUST ME, this is a tutorial. He spoke from experience, clearly trial and error, not from crushing numbers in sandbox mode and then tell a new player like myself add 5 of this thing but don't explain why. I personally have seen few with time stamps and even though I've seen this video repeatedly, as soon as I see a Geyser, guess where I run to? I know he doesn't seem organized or well thought out, but it's ONI, in my last 148 failing hours the lesson that sticks the most is "learn to adapt"

I love how many aspects of Chemical Engineering are in this game! I am in my 3rd year of studying Chemical Engineering at uni and it's so great to see parallels between the ideas utilised in industry and in this game!

I was just getting into using the geysers around my map in my first real playthrough， perfect timing

@dipRustam

3 жыл бұрын

Same thing )

@emmaw7853

3 жыл бұрын

same

@AKUJIVALDO

3 жыл бұрын

Easiest way and no danger way to analyse vents/geysers/ect is to leave 2nd tile from left and bottom then flood it with water 2 tiles deep and then dig last tile and analyse it. d d d d d d d d d L d d d d d d N N N N

This guy talks for 2 straight hours in an awesome tutorial and doesn't even ask for a like or a sub, like all other CC's. You have my like and sub!

Hey Magnet! I have over 400 hours in ONI and have JUST tamed my first volcano ever with the help of your video and it feels great!! Thank you for all your wonderful guides.

@danielgeroy4220

2 жыл бұрын

I am right under 100 hours playtime, in my second world (first was disaster), 5 dupes, over 200 cycles, still not having plastic or cooling system xD So much fun!

Belatedly, hot CO₂ vents are great places to build Molten Slickster ranches - the vent keeps it nice and hot (which is good because it ensures you get Molten Larva Eggs rather than regular ones) and you can pump in the CO₂ produced in the rest of your base, which the Molten Slicksters will convert to Petroleum, which you can burn for power and _more_ CO₂ (or you can do ridiculous things like feeding it to a sour-gas boiler/chiller, to get _still more_ power off the natgas that results, the downside in vanilla being that you produce sulphur as a byproduct). You can do something similar with regular slicksters producing Crude Oil, but you'll get better energy-efficiency if you use moltens (even if you convert the crude to petroleum, you'll not end up with as much of it as if you'd used molten slicksters in the first place).

@overdramaticpan

Жыл бұрын

Sulfur's a nice byproduct. Helps make renewable Grubfruit farms for easy Grubfruit Preserve.

@DaraelDraconis

Жыл бұрын

@@overdramaticpan Hence "the downside _in vanilla_ being…". In _Spaced Out!_ it is, indeed, a nice byproduct. In vanilla, however, it's just a nuisance and is best handled by melting it and venting it to space.

@overdramaticpan

Жыл бұрын

@@DaraelDraconis oh

Vent = Gas Geyser = Liquid Volcano = Solid(ish)

@PhailRaptor

3 жыл бұрын

Volcano = HOTHOTHOT

@rhazien2502

3 жыл бұрын

Volcano = molten

@badchest3324

3 жыл бұрын

Volcano = best place my duplicants can stay during their brake ( 2 dead)

@sarpbilgesenkardesler7434

2 жыл бұрын

@@badchest3324 it feels like thats what happened

@callummcneill6266

2 жыл бұрын

@@PhailRaptor 🤣

1:36:10 about building tempshift plates near walls- it wasn't me :3 , but the thing is that they wil "pump" heat into the walls, afterward heating up the insulated tiles, unnecessary leaking heat. And they will do it in faster rate than normal contact of the walls with hot or cold material inside

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info! I'll be sure to avoid this in the future :)

@AmrXcellent

2 жыл бұрын

yes the temp shift plates share the heat with the surrounding tiles in a square share (8 sqaures around the temp shift plate) so when you add it to the very end, you are basically defeating the purpose of the insulated tile by making it take more heat and then it will share that heat with the gas at the other side (so not really good insulation). You can solve this by either not adding temp shift plates to the very end or double insulate ur walls. A more efficient approach is to put your heat tiles in a chess like formation, saving some time in the build and some resources needed for the temp shift plates (specially if you are using diamond for the temp shift plates)

@Lion603

2 жыл бұрын

@@AmrXcellent I can confirm this. If I need something with tempshift plates, I make sure, it's at least 3x3 tiles tall, so I can place a plate inside without tempshifting into the wall. And some Time in the future I want to try if you can heat/cool natural abyssalite tiles this way and what will happen with neutronium tiles.

36:23 Huge mess simulator...sounds like a great game.

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe they'll make a DLC for this game and name it that?

@steveweidig5373

2 жыл бұрын

@@Magnet_MD Magnet's Mega Mess DLC

Thanks for this! I really appreciate your "first the basics" approach. For myself, I prefer crawl-walk-run learning so I really understand what I'm trying to do, how and why. Fancy can come later. 👍

@ozspoz1317

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah and some of the fancy I have been building was far more work than it was worth, that metal volcano tamer was super simple and easy

I've been playing every now and then but never got to tame a metal volcano, and older guides felt outdated, so you've done me great service with this video, thank you

This is AMAZINGLY well timed, I was getting frustrated trying to find videos on the internet for how to tame a Steam Vent. Great guide as usual.

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Woohoo! Glad it came in handy :)

I was like "yeah as if I will ever watch this two-hour tutorial", and two hours later he we are! :D Started the game just this week and I am so overwhelmed by how complex it can be! Thanks for your very simple and entertaining way to explain everything!

Instead of using the polluted water one to make water, you could use it to sit in a pool to create polluted oxygen, then use filters to turn it into oxygen. Essentially with a polluted water geyser you can choose to make water or oxygen from it depending on the colony's need at that time.

finally someone teaching without making the most compact efficient setups for everything, thank you!

I appreciate how approachable this guide is. I love the hell out of this game but am hardly at hyper-optimized levels myself, though I like to think I've gotten a lot better. My second run ever I naively uncovered a volcano (I didn't know any better at the time!) and it completely wrecked my playthrough spitting lava everywhere and no longer really able to be contained because no dupe could go anywhere near it even in a suit. I've figured out what to do with most of the more approachable geysers since then, but had still been afraid to try and harness a volcano, and in general ONI is fun as hell but very opaque to non-pro players, so approachable guides like this are much appreciated! Maybe this run we'll finally tame the magma-spewing deathtraps.

Great video! You make the best ONI videos on the internet in my opinion.

Great Tutorial. Keep it up dude! :D

How many years later and i still come back to your complete guide for these things and check it out, thank you for taking the time to make something actually useful.

best in-depth oxygen not included guide here on youtube. really appreciate it mate.

@apostle602gmail

3 жыл бұрын

unless you actually want to make a whole bunch of mistakes that would make you feel silly after a couple cycles and learn from them instead of straight from the source material, try Francis John and Brothgar. seriously, an open-cycle cooling loop? just why? and no, that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Also, use the heat overlay. Neutronium is cold, and will appear easily on your map that way.

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Ooooh, good tip! I never knew they'd show up that way, but that makes sense!

@glennjanot8128

3 жыл бұрын

And you can also see what kind of vent/geyser is on that neutronium without digging it out ^^

@Omni0404

2 жыл бұрын

Holy shit your brain is freaking enormous. This works!

This video was awesome, while I have been doing some more complicated builds this shows you really dont need to. Would have been a great tip to add an air lock and digging areas into a vacuum rather than always building a big set up and needing to create a vacuum, plus with the air lock you always have access later to fix the mistakes a lot of new players make. So much awesome info and learned some better ways to tame volcanos so thanks again for your awesome tutorial!!!

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely true, I will make sure to mention this when I make more of these kinds of videos.

That way to find them is extremely useful. I didnt know thaat i had so many vents "discovered". Thanks a lot. Keep it up.

love the long and well explained approach

I just subbed. The long videos aren't a problem for me, I have them running in the bg while I play. Great stuff, now I can go to space. 😊

Thank you for putting time stamps in the description!

I still come back to this video lol. I really appreciate you making this!

I actually really liked it being a long video, it's entertaining, and even if I get bored (which I doubt) I can use the stamps to click to a certain part of the video instead of just watching another video, nice!

Hey magnet, this is a really cool video, so thank you for the tips! I know you just filled the liquid lock of the oil well with water for demonstration purpose. However if it gets too hot the water will just flash to steam so better to have a crude oil or petroleum lock just in case :)

As I expanded my base one time, I found a bit of neutronium with some rock on top. I didn't think much of it, surrounded it in airlocks, and uncovered it. Well, it was a gold volcano. The heat nearly ruined my whole base as I rushed to make ceramic and plug it up with tiles made of the stuff. Several duplicants also almost died because of the 10 kilograms of gold per second coming out at 2700C. That's what finally forced me to make a medical facility.

@Geobeetle

Жыл бұрын

King midas was sure pissed at you huh

such a great video for beginners , i ve came back here to see which geysers i need multiple times

Thankss u! I came back to ONI and the last time I was playing it was in 2017! Your videos are helping me a lot!

this video is so underrated. you spent so much time making video and it only got 1k likes and 100k views. it deserves at least 5 million views. keep up the great content! love your videos! :)

Well timed! and I personally always wait for your guide on ONI because it's so informative and neat with all the time tags, definitely will come back here often :)

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Cool, see you back here soon then! :D

I'm subscribing based off the fact alone that you time stamped these

This was so friggin cool. Subscribed

This is incredibly useful, keep up the amazing work. Thanks a bunch and stay safe

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you and you too!

You can use the chlorine vent to feed squeaky pufts to produce bleach stone to feed a lettuce farm. Very tedious but if very doable.

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed! I'll be doing this in another video of mine, but only because I'm forcing myself to produce lettuce. Otherwise lettuce is a quite impractical food option, haha.

@yaroslavpasichnyk9525

Жыл бұрын

I gave up on complicity of farming puffs. You need secondary range with Prince, then move puffs around manually. Too much headache. If I have no choice but need lettuce, I would just plant wild plants. Fortunately there are so many better alternatives.

Great video! It was much needed help. :)

Maaan, you really amazing with your videos, thanks for your explanation, really appreciate that ! 🙌🏻

you can put 2 hydro sensors in your water supply for the water geyser, so that when it is too full it will empty a bit of the supply into the liquid storage, and when it is too empty it will empty some from liquid storage

Thank you very much for this! This helped a lot!

Thanks for the video. Very helpful.

Nice simple to understand options. Thanks

I ran into a natural gas geyser early in my current colony and a gold amalgam gas pump can hold in there for a while, I didn't realize it was under the temperature limit until I ran a single pump for a pair of geysers right next to each other later on and that one broke pretty quickly. The original single geyser pump did eventually break too, but right now both are running with radiant water cooling pipes clustered around the pump intake and it seems to work without waiting for steel.

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Because of the surrounding tiles, the natural gas won't break the gold amalgam pumps immediately, but you can get pretty quick steel by deconstructing a couple of things in the abandoned building in the space biome. Ultimately I want these to not need any maintenance if I can help it, but if it works for you, then that's plenty!

I've been watching your videos non-stop for a week now. Hope you come back to make more one day :)

With the quality of your videos and excellent comentary it amazes me that only 4k people are following. Keep up the good work sir magnet :)

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

It's a new channel, that's okay :)

just started playing this game, your tutorials are great, please keep it up!

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

I will, and thanks!

Thanks to this video, I finally had the confidence to capture a volcano. It was a minor volcano, and I mean *MINOR*. I built according to what you saw, and it produced so little steam it barely got one steam turbine (out of the four) to run for about 20 seconds. My first volcano was a huge disappointment. LOL To be clear, I'm not saying you "overbuilt." I know there's a range of variation in the "productivity" of geysers/volcanos/vents (Like you, I wish they'd choose a name and stick with it). I love that you put relatively simple builds for those of us who have never done this before. The other videos I've seen have made the process much more intimidating.

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it went well! There are definitely ways to improve on what I've shown, so as long as you get comfortable with it first, that seems good to me!

automation is the secret to taming vents/geysers and volcanoes, good guide dude, also just dropping the oil 2 or more tiles down a granite not insulated box will chill the tiny amounts of hot oil from the leaky oil fissure to like 100 degrees, more after steam turbine tamer.

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and yes it most definitely is! It's generally the secret to saving power, but it comes in handy in a lot of more simple setups like this.

Loved your video watched the whole thing. This'll definitely help me optimize my vents that I got lying around. Also this might not be the best usage but I very much like using infectious polluted oxygen vents to get oxygen just using a deodorizer chlorine setup. Then later use the same one to just absorb both forms of oxygen in the world

I foresee that this video will help me immensely! Thank you!

A little late to the party, but I just want to mention an improvement to your cool steam vent setup. Instead of having a pump circulate the polluted water, I use a liquid reservoir in my setup. Use that to circulate the water and then add a second coil of radiant pipes in the pool of polluted water. It will save you the 120w of having to operate a pump.

@benwilliams4359

2 жыл бұрын

You can achieve the same with a liquid bridge

@JanusDarke1

2 жыл бұрын

Even later, but i have to agree with you here. It's a rookie mistake to use a pump for a loop. One of the golden rules in ONI is: Only pump once. Once a liquid or gas is in a pipe it moves for free. If you want to store it use tanks. The only reason to release a liquid or a gas is to use infinite storages for space efficiency reasons. In any other case a storage tank is better since it "pressurizes" your pipes for free.

Thank you for making it simple🙏😁

Looking for a particular geyser. Didn't come here at first because of length, til I got a skill up in Reading Comprehension. Thank you for the effort in assembling this video.

great vid!

Thanks for the carbon dioxide vent capturing tutorial. 10/10!

@Magnet_MD

2 ай бұрын

You're Welcome; Glad it helped out!

One thing I did with a carbon geyser was to put a carbon skimmer in it. I used a loop to convert it into polluted dirt to feed to pokeshells. It wasn't a lot but it was free material and you can switch it on and off if you want to get some extra polluted dirt when you need it.

I found a carbon dioxide vent! encases it in insulated tiles *DONE* I just lost it lmao

@zarinth

3 жыл бұрын

Pros uses it for Oil.

@TheRealXartaX

3 жыл бұрын

​@@zarinth Rockets, farming, ranching, soda fountain and algae terrariums.

great tutorial

CO Vent is the best place to set up molten larva terrarium with help of hyper insulation tiles. Cold CO2 geyser is useful for free direct cooling everything along the path you transport it to space.

as you were describing the neutronium platforms and the priority trick i saw two in my own world and found a carbon dioxide geyser and a cool slush geyser so thanks already

got the game a few days ago and i am grateful that this channel exists, otherwise i would never reach the mid-game!

Great video! I've never known the best ways to capture some of these, mainly the ore volcanoes, and this really helped! I have an idea for a tutorial video, one about space! (Shovevoles, asteroid protection, solar energy, rocket travel, etc). That stage of the game is one I am not very familiar with, and would greatly appreciate some help.

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Will do! It's on the list!

You're such a kind and benevolent master. 16:41

my bases are still messy as matter of course! thanks for this guide.

Haha I can’t believe you dumped a dup in scalding hot gas. Sandbox mode turns players into monsters. Thank you for video!

I'm watching a lot of this tutorials in a row and is funny couse i have in mind play the ice map so in the back of my mind i'm like "Ah yes, cooling the machines, maybe not a problem, maybe i should use this heat to not die" xD nice tutorials dude

Nice easy guides man

A polluted water geyser was near my main base so I converted it into a small infinite storage and set my Dupes living quarters next to it. It's constantly spewing 30C water into an ever growing thermal mass so it's essentially an infinitely large heat sink to regulate the temperature nearby. So far its worked like a charm since the dupes nor the cooking stations have caused any visible change in the heating.

2:00 sandbox mode?!! I never knew that existed! Thx for making this video :)

Thanks for this, helpful

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

No problem, you're welcome!

Thank you for making this tutorial

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

No problem!

It is disappointing how few subs you presently have. Your videos are entertaining, interesting, and helpful! Have you considered streaming? I think you could garner quite a large following if you got you name out there.

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

I've considered it a few times. I think ONI doesn't do super well with streaming, and I already need to find time to squeeze in working on ONI content as is. I appreciate the kind words though, thank you!

Thanks alot for being detailed on all the vents. Also thanks for showing all the temperature scales available in the game so one can discern on what is hot and what is cold based on their own prefered unit.

Carbon dioxide geysers are good for feeding slicksters. You just have to keep the slickster's environment warm enough. I use a thermoaquatuner steam room with metal tiles next to my slickster farm to keep them warm. I would have built the slickster warming room even without cold geyser CO2, because I try to get the temp up to 140C to get them to hatch molten slickster eggs.

@bobthebox2993

3 жыл бұрын

I place my slickster farm all the way at the bottom of the map, I use the lava to control the heat of my slickster room. (Having a vacuum room with airlocks between the magme and the slicksters allows you to control when you want heat transfer to happen). I consider myself unluck, as I was unable to find any CO2 geyser around my map

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

This is a good point, and something I hadn't considered since I've gotten really used to not ranching Slicksters. Oil production from a well is usually less of an investment (from a duplicant time standpoint), and I tend to not need a lot of oil to run a colony to begin with, but I should have mentioned this. Great points.

also note that you have renewable water and power with a steam turbine due to producing water and you can use that in the water tanks

Great vid, thanks. I've got about 300 hours in ONI across several runs, yet I never seem to learn anything new on my own. I've been so obsessed with keeping heat production to a minimum that it kinda inhibits me experimenting. I didn't know what to do with vents and geysers because they are always so hot, so I ended up blocking them off and ignoring them Truly amazing game though. As a software engineer I'm pretty amazed at how complex the game is, whilst still performing really well

The reason for the temp shift plates not being directly next to insulated tiles is that it interacts and heat up or cool down the insulation tiles(can wast heat or energy) also the heated tiles can heat up the serounding(interacts with serounding gas over a few cycles bout 50-100) so double insulate or save materials by not putting next to insulated tile. Also checker board layout for temp plates spreads heat beter. Comented on the best building materials totorial.

@gamingfrompixelone3070

3 жыл бұрын

was going to say the same

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the information! I'll start integrating this into my builds from now on :)

HOLY MOLY 1h 47m video. Im excited :D

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Me too! ARGH! All in one take too :D

add gas storage for natural gas in the storage room. you can stack up 20kg of gas per tile (use airflowtile) + the gas storage.

This may be months late now, but temp shift plates basically act as a multiplier that causes all surrounding tiles to share heat with each other. This can absolutely wreck a tiles ability to insulate. If you do some quick testing with magma, you'll see what I mean. Always leave space around a temp shift plate unless you intend to share temperature with it. Also temp shift plates are really bad at sharing temperature with each other (in a vacuum). Again, it basically acts as a multiplier of heat sharing between tiles(air, liquid, solid) but not so much itself.

Very helpful, not sure how far I would get with out u :)

@Maget Thanks for the great video. On the steam vent you appear to go to great pains to fit the automation in the room, why not just have the liquid shutoff and buffer gate outside the room?

Love the "you cant break this" to it getting demolished in seconds lmao

I love the time stamps so I can jump to what Im working on however, theres then a lot of assumed knowledge thats from earlier in the video :(

I've owned this game for 7 years, ever since it came out pretty much. I've still not progressed to the point of producing a single drop of oil. That's how complex this seemingly cute fun game is. And I'm someone who's 100% completed Factorio (including the speedrun achievements) and almost mastered Dwarf Fortress - this game is more complex.

İ was exhausted while watching thank you so much

thanks for the tutorial! Im new to the game and unfortunately I killed my base trying to cool down water from a cool steam vent hahaha, but well now Ill know what to do

@Magnet_MD

3 жыл бұрын

Oh no, sorry to hear! I hope the next time goes much better :)

Man, Your guides are god level can you please make a video about Rockets and how to go to other planets ?

Note for anyone who sees this: Carbon dioxide vents/geysers have another use, albeit a not very good one like it's other uses (other than rockets) you could theoretically use it to make polluted water from regular water with CO2 skimmers however I'm not sure why you would need this when you have cool slush vents and stuff. It does work if you need more polluted water and you don't have enough from geysers for some reason. But like for the rest of the reasons, it's not practical. Just use it for rockets.

Great video. Helped me a lot. Thank you so much for this. But just out of curiosity. Would you say that Farenheit are a bit confusing with all those croquet numbers?

Use the temperature overlay to see the bases of vents/vulcanos thingy it will have a light blue color, very easy to see

Dang those volcano setups... And here I thought I was smart when I finally implemented mechanical filters into my electrolyzer setup

tempshift plates, inject the heat directly into other tiles, which heats up the insolated tiles much fast than they should. Even Neutronium can be heated up in a couple of cycles with a good tempshift plate.