That is the best post hole digger explanation I’ve ever seen! Thank you for the great video and tips!

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

I placed a clear hose in u form filled with water and food coloring clamped to the side of the shield next to the gear case , when auger is plum i marked a visible line even with the water level, therefore i can see if its plum from the comfort of my seat and dont have to get off

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

I just learned to gauge from the seat.

Nobody explains this better than Tony!

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Great tips we just got tractor mounted auger , have been using 2 man Stille auger were getting older and 2 man one is brutal when it hits rocks and your dead right about it screwing into ground ,had it happen

@TonysTractorAdventure

6 ай бұрын

Thank you. We get better with them as time goes on.

Good work

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

This video is extremely helpful thank you.

Thank you , good man ! Feeling far more confident for tomorrow .

We took a eye and welded it on the back at top and take a polaris ranger wibch hook on to it and put down pressure on it and it will dig everything real fast... We havnt ever had a priblem with it comin back out here in oklahoma

I’m all set to go but thought maybe I should KZread it. Glad I did. Thank you.

Very good video informative for sure

Great tips, I have yet to use my auger that came with my tractor. But will revisit this video the night before I do.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Great tips Tony! Thank you!!

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the comment

I always learn something new while I watch this !!! Thanks

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Believe me brother, you don't want that ground wet specially the clay or roots. That bit will stuck 😢. For cat 1 or cat 2 it's very hard to lift the auger when stuck. Good explanation nice job. I love my farm but I feel that Tractor Supply love it more 😂.

Hey Tony! Just letting you know that your tips and advice on the PTO auger has helped me tremendously! I just bought a new 3 point auger a few weeks ago and have had no previous experience using one. I couldn't wait to try it out so I drilled a few holes for a temporary tarp canopy. I did everything wrong and I almost got it stuck several times. I saw this video and watched it a couple of times then went back and drilled 12 holes for my deck support and I was able to get 12 perfect holes without any damage to me, my equipment or my RV that I am building the deck for. Again thank you so much for what you do!

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Wow! Thank you. That is the best comment ever.

Great summary.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much

Very informative. Thank you!

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

Great video - appreciate the tips and information

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Thank you.

Thanks Tony great video

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Thanks! I learned a lot!

@TonysTractorAdventure

6 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Man, thank you for this Tony. 💯

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

You are welcome.

Great video! Thanks for sharing

@TonysTractorAdventure

7 ай бұрын

Thank you

Thanks for sharing your expertise with us. God Bless! Have a great day.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

God bless you and your family. Thank you.

That was a great instructional video.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Some great tips Tony. Enjoyed this video.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Great video and tutorial well described - thank you

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Thanks Tony! Been putting in posts all my life, never used an auger. Going to get one for my John Deere 790 soon and wanted to bone up on how to use one. Your video is very informative. Thanks again for posting!

I have watched several of your videos and they were all good. This is the one that made me hit the subscribe button though. Excellent information.

Great video!

@TonysTractorAdventure

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Well done video. Very helpful information. Thanks!

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying so.

Good advice. Thanks mate.

@TonysTractorAdventure

5 ай бұрын

You bet

Thanks for this video. You did a great job illustrating the way you level the auger

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

You're a good instructor 👌👌 thanks Buddy,😍😍

@TonysTractorAdventure

7 ай бұрын

Thank you my friend

Very informative and helpful tips. Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge, it will come in handy for me.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for letting me know. God Bless

Haven’t dug a hole yet but many to dig. You already saved me time with the hitch drop rate adjustment.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Happy to help. Thank you

Thank you for the video.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

I hope it helps

Loved the detailed explanation and demonstrating your experience. Please keep posting... Subscriber!!

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I look forward to seeing you around the neighborhood! 👍

Great video Thanks

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate you. I am happy it helped.

Great tips. I'm looking to get one of these and this is just what I was looking for. This will be so much better than the hand held I am using now! A real arm and back saver!

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Glad to be of help.

Really informative. Thanks Tony. All the best from Australia.

@TonysTractorAdventure

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. I hope t visit the big DownUnder someday.

Thanks for the tips, Tony! I'll be doing exactly that same job in a couple of months.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

It was hot and hard work, but it feels good to see it finished.

GREAT video, nice guy :) cheers mate!

@TonysTractorAdventure

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the visit

That was an excellent tutorial Tony, job well done sir. Hope all is well down there! 🇺🇸🇨🇦🚜👍🍻

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

We are doing well. Looking forward to finishing the project

Yes, very informative. Found crucial info not seen on other vids. The drop-rate valve tip is so helpful, as well as the advice on leveling and adujsting. Well done. I feel much more confident and excited to drill 19 holes tomorrow for a round pen! Subscribing!

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I am happy it helps.

Great info , thanks.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

A very good video thanks.

@TonysTractorAdventure

11 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

interesting, well done...ty

@TonysTractorAdventure

11 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Great video, thank you sir

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it

Glad to hear your public service announcement on 811. It won't always mean you won't hit something you'll wish you hadn't but it will usually save a lot of regret.

Great information Tony. In Florida we often used to dig the corner post holes and fill them with concrete. Then we would set the posts on a steel saddle. The kept them out of the termite infested Florida soil and kept them from rotting so fast.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

We used Fast2K for all of our posts. It protects them and the buggers don't like it.

Awesome explanation... Very informative, and a really good job with the highlight lines showing where the auger should be in reference to where it was sitting. You and Tawnya (sorry if misspelled) always do a fantastic job. Have a great day and God Bless.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. Tanja does such good camera work. She is the smart one of the team.👍

Grats on 100k subs

@TonysTractorAdventure

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much 😀

You have no idea how I needed this 🤣

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

I am glad to help!

Great video. I like that you took your time to not edit a bunch of video and only show the bits and pieces. I just got it attached and looking forward to a whole lot of posts in my future without renting that two man auger that is great except for when it is done and needs lifted out of the hole.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Thank you for taking the time to make a good comment. Tony

the hint about the 3 pt leak off rate was great. I have mine open for my rear blade to get weight down....need to close it for my post hole digger

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

I learned it the hard way! 😁

Thank you brother

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Any time

Sure beats using the old fashioned kind. Thanks for the tips Tony! 👍 As the saying goes, "Slow and steady wins the race"

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

I called the handheld post hole diggers medieval torture tools.

Doing a great job explaining. Only thing I could offer is the word "Level" is for things that are flat. A more accurate word, "Plumb" is the word I think for things that go up and down.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

You would be surprised at how many people don't know what the word plumb means. I use words to convey a message vs being perfect. A good example is your post. You used the words up and down to describe what plumb is. In fact, the post does not go up or down. The post is stationary and to make the post plum it must be perfectly vertical. The word "be" indicates a state of non-movement. We could move the post into plumb. Now I'm craving plum jelly.

Good info. I have 2 pastures of posts I'm about to have to dig, 260 holes to be exact. But I'm just doing 1 pasture at a time. I've had my 40HP hydrostatic Kioti tractor about 8 months now & it is a beast for it's size! I found a brand new heavy duty auger with 48" long x 9" diameter bit for $600.

@TonysTractorAdventure

2 ай бұрын

Your tractor will pull that without any problem. It sure beats doing it by hand. 😁

Yep, first day trying out my new post hold digger, she screwed in. Discovered how to adjust the lift pressure. But just as important, I had the lift pin on the digger set to the bottom hole. Set that way, my little tractor didn’t have enough leverage to lift the digger property. Anyway, great teaching video Tony.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I have used a post hole digger a lot over the years and I have done just about everything wrong that can be done. My dad always said, if you are going to be dumb, you got to be tough. Still, I hope some of my experiences help someone else.

Good informative video tony hope you guys are doing good. Can't wait to see the finished fence. Hope you both are doing well and staying cool with this hot weather lately

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

The fence is finished but now we're working on the video. We have been getting up at 4:00 a.m. and working till we can't stand it. Looking at the finished fence I think it was worth it.

@dstafford2200

Жыл бұрын

@@TonysTractorAdventure hard work makes the dreams come true. Keep it up ill be watching your alls videos for a long time

I appreciate your firm and forward delivery of information! Your video set Me straight that they are manageable to operate given limitations but with correct setup, engine speed and technique, I feel more confident about My quest for a Post-Digger. No doubt they are dangerous if used carelessly, I've seen other channels where people are standing 18" away while the operator jerked the auger in and out of the hole at max engine rpm's! If that auger breeches the topside of the hole from a violent lift, the U-joint at the gearbox will turn that spiral bit into a whip! Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experiences, it helps us newbies survive the learning curve during the apprentice phase!

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words. 👍

That was a great instructional video. Lots of people complain about using a post hole digger. I never thought it was that bad and it’s much better than digging by hand. Even after using mine many times I still learned a few things from you. Your explanation of straightening out the auger left to right was very good. Also, I never thought of adjusting the 3 point drop rate to keep from screwing into the ground. I always just pull up occasionally but that is a pain and if you pull up too far you widen the hole front to back because of the change in angle. Screwing into the ground is a nightmare. I have only done it once and with the help of a pipe wrench and a cheater bar I got it out. Once was enough. I hope I never do it again. Thanks again for the great video and tips.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

It sounds like me and you have walked some of the same roads!

@chrismichels4616

Жыл бұрын

@@TonysTractorAdventure Yes we have. Love your channel.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Very informative Chief, as many have stated. I try to wait a few hours before commenting as I learn from others experience as well. You covered it better than an other post IMO. I have one w a couple augers from a tractor buy out E of Nashville. Dangerous if you don’t know and respect it. Your safety message is more important than many realize. One of my first if not the first PTSD experiences was a young hired hand tried to clear a jam in a grain auger on our rice/soybean farm. Half the foot gone in mili seconds. Blood, panic, screaming, traumatic on every one. He lived thanks to lots of folks and God. The only thing more dangerous is mining. (well the Infantry has its moments).

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

It is one of the most dangerous implements because it looks so docile. People don't realize how easy it is to get hurt.

Good stuff. I am fixing to dig about a 100 holes. It’s nice to get some pointers ahead of time instead of learning as I go. Thanks for the info!!

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

You are welcome.

Very good & thorough explanation for a 3 point Post Hole digger. I just got a Danuser F8 and this info was great to access. Getting it "plumb" was covered very well. (But you did call it "Level" not Plumb. ;-) ) Thanks Tony!

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Most people don't know what Plumb means.

Really well done video Tony. You covered most of the tips I’ve accumulated using mine on my JD 1025r. About the only thing I’ve seen to add is how decent sized roots can impact you. I’ve drilled post holes in wooded areas or just cleared areas and when that auger grabs one it’s awfully hard to keep it from drilling in and not wanting to come back out. Especially with weak lift arms like mine. Eventually you start to get a feel for when it’s starting to grab one and you can catch it early enough to rock forward and back a bit and try to get back out before you don’t have a choice but to screw it out. It can be a tough implement to use in some conditions.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

There are so many variables, I hope it gives the new guy something to start with.

Well done video. I hate using manual clamshell diggers enough that I usually auger several inches deeper than required, then filling and tamping with a 2x4 to get the exact depth.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! Handheld post hole diggers are medieval torture devices.

Heavy clay when dry can be extremely hard as you video has shown. Also when we hit the desired depth of hole, we usually dump a bucket of water in the hole it makes the clay plastic and provides a clean bottom. we are in an area of deep frost and heavy clay so holes are normally 4ft deep. Nice video and some very good tips. Thank you.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

That is good information. I guess you guys have to worry a good deal about heaving. On a rare occasion we will have a freeze line down to 12 inches. Most of our freezes only go down 5 or 6 inches and then the weather warms back up.

Great video. Vertical = plumb

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

Good video. I understand how these seem to be one of the most hated implements - you're not going to just run out and do it all from the seat of the tractor unless you've got years of experience.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Experience comes fast.

found the same thing - if you aren't plumb, you'll be screwed, and once the hole is dug it's much harder to correct.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

There is a small flat spot on top of my auger's gear box. That is the place I look at to see if it is level. If the top is level, then the auger is plumb.

Adding water to your hole helps

Thanks folks. It's a skill alright, even straightforward things are difficult until you have the knowledge. Are there different wear edges you can fit for different conditions?

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

My auger has hardened steel cutters but you can get carbide cutters. Hardened steel cutters for us last a long time. We have play with virtually. No rock.

All great stuff. I have a hack. It also helps address horridly stony soil like I have I got big rocks. It's an easy hack. A bigger auger. Makes centering the hole easier, clears larger rocks easier, and helps compensate for angular error. 'Course ya need a bigger tractor.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

I use up to a 12 inch auger with this tractor. It is very important for us to use the 9 inch auger. The bigger the hole, the more of the foam post setter is required. The foam post setter cost $12 per bag requiring 2 bags per hole with a 9 inch auger. We have 120+ posts to put down! A bigger hole will increase the foam cost by 1/3.

@Raul28153

Жыл бұрын

I've never used foam. Rockc and dirt and a heavy tamper, or concrete. Sometimes I have to use concrete.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

I find concrete rots the posts off quick. I love The Fast2K. It is easy and protects the posts.

Gizmo!

Very informative and helpful video. As you noted, those post hole diggers can be dangerous if not respected. Also, I was wondering if you have done a video reviewing your deck over trailer? I did a search on your channel and didn't see one right off. I know the trailer has been in several of your videos and was looking for your thoughts (pros/cons) and if you would buy the same trailer again? What limits you have found? (Can you tell that I'm trailer shopping.)

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

The deck over trailer is awesome for what we do, but I would not buy it again. I would buy a conventional trailer with fold up ramps. The hydraulic lift deck system is heavy thereby making the whole trailer heavy. My trailer is approximately 5800 lb empty. Hindsight says that is lost. Carry capacity on 14,000 lb axles. The ease of loading hydraulically lifting up and down is amazing but we have been close to the weight limit of the trailer a few times. Other than that it pulls wonderfully and I've had zero issue as far as maintenance. We have about 5,000 mi on the trailer so far. Guesstimation.

@BradMyers

Жыл бұрын

@@TonysTractorAdventure thank you for the information, I will keep it in mind as we continue our search. 14K is the weight we are looking at, but as you pointed out losing almost 6k to the trailer itself is a little hard to swallow. Hoping to find a tilt-trailer that will meet our needs, just in today's market, in no hurry to buy or should I say in no hurry to pay those prices. Thanks again for the info.

Any suggestions with more downward pressure? Rock bar knob is all the way open and cant go full depth. No rocks or roots in way either.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

The cutters being sharp is a big thing. The screw on the tip must be sharp too

Another tip.. Instead of pulling forward, after your hole is filled up with loose dirt, simply raise the auger, hit the throttle, rev the tractor up high and drop the clutch. This spins off the dirt and it throws it beyond the hole, You can do this several times and end up with with an almost empty hole without moving the tractor away from the hole.

@TonysTractorAdventure

9 ай бұрын

This is a hydrostatic transmission. With electric over hydraulic PTO. It is a little less responsive. Also, I didn't want the dirt around the hole. Just a different style of doing it. Thank you for taking the time to share your way. I always learn so much from comments. God Bless

@frankish5314

9 ай бұрын

@@TonysTractorAdventure Sure, many ways to skin a car as they say..:)

This past Sunday I was trying to dig some holes for a new mailbox. Totally forgot about the limiter valve and screwed that sucker into the ground all the way to the hilt...not by choice. Went through 3 shear pins trying to break it free. Also tried rocking it back and forth to help loosen the surrounding dirt. Ended up breaking out the pipe wrench and cheater bar and all it did was break the pipe wrench. Now I've got a larger steel pipe wrench and time to get busy. **Side note: After all was said and done, I think rocking the tractor back and forth to help break the tension on the auger has cracked the housing surrounding my hydraulics. I now have decent amounts of fluid leaking out of my tractors rear end because of this. Be forewarned!**

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Your story is a great learning tool for all of us. Thank you for sharing it.

New subscriber, glad I found your tips on augers. Looking to buy my first post hole digger and auger... Atwoods near me has a ToolTuffDirect model 650 which appears to be the right size for my Kubota L2800. The manufacturer website says it's compatible with 6", 9", and 12" augers... but they also sell an 18" auger which I would like to get for planting trees (we just build a house on a new homestead and hope to put a lot of fruit trees in over the next year or two) - Since I have no experience with PHD/Augers... it doesn't list the 18" as compatible... is that a solid no-go as it won't be able to handle it? ...or is it a case where if you go slow (these won't be super deep holes just to plant trees) it will work fine? I don't want to make a stupid mistake and tear something up, but that 18" is going to work a lot better for what we need if I can run it.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Just go slow! If you let the cutter drop, it will dig in and then there will be problems. You will learn to do it.

@Bleppo

Жыл бұрын

@@TonysTractorAdventure thank you for taking time to advise! Slow it is!

Hy Tony

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Hello my friend. I hope you are having a great week.

I live up in the white mountains where there are a lot of rocks and 52” frost line. Can this auger be extended to support more depth?

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it will work

Another important point is to not use a quick hitch with a post hole digger. It extends it too far to the back and adds instability to the whole rig. So if you have a quick hitch, be sure to remove it before mounting the post hole digger.

I have a bx2660 Kubota. Rated Cat1. Is there a post hole digger you recommend? Do u ever use wheelchocks? Enjoyed your video. Thks

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

If I had to buy another one for the back of my tractor I would probably go with an IronCraft.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

I don't see how a wheel chocks would help because you have to roll forward as you go down because the arc lengthens.

I just started using my 3 point PHD and I sheared 5 pins in the first hole, no rocks and fairly soft soil. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, I tried to go slow and had RPM's at like 250. I didn't really see anything in the video that might describe what I was doing wrong, any pointers? It would run smoothly and I'd press it down very slowly but the very first sign of resistance the pins would sheer. I wouldn't even have time to react, just poof gone. Any tips would be greatly appreciated!

@jimskinner9234

10 ай бұрын

You might have this problem resolved by now, but it sounds like the pins are too soft. The shear pin is to protect the gearbox and drive line in case the auger gets into something it can’t handle. Slight pressure in soft dirt should not shear a pin unless you are using too large a diameter auger, like 24” or something like that. Grade 3 bolts (no markings on head) are pretty safe for shear pins since they are not too hard and will shear if necessary. The next step up would be grade 5 bolts (3 marks on head). I’ve drilled a lot of holes with a 3 pt auger in all types of ground and sometimes it’s easy and sometimes it’s near impossible. Soft dirt should be easy.

What are all the large rocks for? (4:45-5:30 shows a good view)

@TonysTractorAdventure

9 ай бұрын

During flash floods it keeps the water from cutting the dirt.

What happens when you hit a rock too big to go up the auger flights? Is there a shear pin, to protect the gearbox when it gets stuck?

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

I don't recommend an auger for rock. Maybe something meant for rocks would be better.

@larryhasard3989

Жыл бұрын

I wouldnt use in rock, but we have baseball sized rocks mixed in with our soil. What happens when the auger hits one of them?

@03:50 Just make sure you don't screw the pooch.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂👍

What auger and hole digger is that?

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

It is a 9" auger.

If you have clay dirt, always clean off the auger when you’re done. Trust me. Also your front end loader will shove a steel T post in the ground pretty as ya please. Bell drivers get tiresome 🥵

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the insight. Good tip about cleaning the tip!

Wanted to pop in here and comment on 811 people, they will not check anywhere except from meter to the power company. Can't speak for the water except that I am on a private well and not city so they would not try to locate. Good luck.

@TonysTractorAdventure

11 ай бұрын

Good info. Thank you

Mine screwed in the ground today and got stuck 😡

@TonysTractorAdventure

8 ай бұрын

I learned the hard way too!

I should buy a tractor.

when your boss says"faster better and perfect, or you might as well finish by 3 cause thats when your pay ends for the day...hurry up

"Level" refers to a horizontal plane. "Plumb" refers to a vertical plane. Great video though.

@TonysTractorAdventure

3 ай бұрын

I know. I say things like that to get extra comments on the videos. It shows youtube the videos are being interacted with. There is a certain group of people that can't help themselves. Oh, wait, that you. LOL! Just messing with you. Saying everything correct in front of a camera is harder than most people think. You have to go by what I mean and not what I say. LOL!

The word you're looking for is plumb. If it's straight up and down, it's "plumb".

@TonysTractorAdventure

8 күн бұрын

Thank you for your comment. Imagine you misspoke one time and it was in a video.

Level here is incorrect. The auger needs to be plumb

@TonysTractorAdventure

10 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharp shooting. Most people don't know what plumb means, so I use simple words that may be wrong, but the understand.

Great video. Earned a sub.

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard!

Not lever! PLUMB

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

No thank you. I will not eat a plumb

@johnp3427

Жыл бұрын

@@TonysTractorAdventure level is horizontal. Not vertical

@TonysTractorAdventure

Жыл бұрын

Plumb pie? Not eating that either.