If there both made the same way the. What’s the difference? I’d rather pay a cheaper price for real Gems made in a lab.

@Firegirl483

3 жыл бұрын

Lab diamonds don't hold their value

@mattjrk5679

3 жыл бұрын

@@Firegirl483 BUT aren’t they still. Diamonds ... yep so idc

@Firegirl483

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattjrk5679 yeah i just mean that you'd be lucky to get 10-20 percent of the cost back if you tried to sell a lab diamond. Natural diamonds go up in value over time but if you're not planning on selling it for anything then just go for the lab diamonds.

@mattjrk5679

3 жыл бұрын

@@Firegirl483 if I’m buying a Diamond or Gem in general I’d rather go for lab diamonds. They can’t tell the difference unless they ship it to be carbon dated which would take and cost more time than it’s worth.

@Firegirl483

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattjrk5679 yeah i agree. Lab diamonds look the same and cost less, and the only downside is not selling it unless you're sure the buyer doesn't have one of these machines

If the chemical structure are the same, how does the uv ray tell the difference? Even Xray diffraction would also show the same peaks. Just curious. If the difference comes from impurities in natural diamonds, how are they different from the clarity or color of the diamonds? Aren’t they also defects? I’m guessing not all natural diamonds have the same impurities as well. Curious as a phd in materials science

@jaydiggz5697

Жыл бұрын

No natural resources are created equal depending on where it was developed. For instance, wine grown in different soil, with access to better hydration, sunlight, disturbances in the earth, maturation time period etc. Makes a higher quality wine.. Or whatever quality of wine you seek, you could take control of those factors and get the results that you seek. It's the same for anything that's comes from the earth, fruits vegetables, geological formations (like diamonds) etc.

@BobbyDazzler888

Жыл бұрын

@@jaydiggz5697so is theres a natural diamond that is bad wine?

@han6020

Жыл бұрын

@@jaydiggz5697 Comparing a single crystal carbon to wine (which is not only organic, but a solution of numerous substances) seems like a stretch. The chemical composition of wine varies depending on who makes it (I agaree). But diamond is a face-centered cubic lattice with a single element. A hadful of defect types (whether from labs or nature) are used to determine the origin of the material. As a person who published several academic journal papers on crystallography, I'd say the wine analogy doesn't really apply here. I'm curious about what kind of physics are used to evaluate the diamonds. Most tests that I'm familiar with have signal-to-noise ratios that are not suitable for these tests. But I guess the person who posted the video is also not a material scientist or a physicist who can answer this.

@WhiskersAndWords

Жыл бұрын

@@han6020 lab grown diamonds have a different amount of fluorescence and you can see it with UV light, but I think that is man made and a criminal could just make a diamond with the same properties as an earth made diamond.

@brandony8691

Жыл бұрын

@@han6020 Glad to see someone with a background in this area back up what I already suspected :)

An object is only valued at what a person is willing to pay and believes the hype. Say you buy a diamond and some day you want to sell for a larger one. This when the song and dance routine comes into play. Worth tons when you bye it shit when you sell it🤯

@katherinemoon8514

4 ай бұрын

Thank you!!! I’ve been saying the same. However, these “conflict free” freaks get so defensive when you try to explain to them that their 3 ct 4000$ lab diamond isn’t worth 4$. That’s okay. Good the market with that crap. Makes my real ones worth all the more🤣

Thanks for making this video

Thank you, some of the information about lab grown vs. terrestrial diamonds was very confusing and had me worried I could be purchasing a diamond with less than ethical sources without even knowing. I'll make sure to keep an eye out for this when I go jewelry shopping.

@QuynhAnh-rc3iq

Жыл бұрын

then just point to buy only good lab diamond

@00dfm00

5 ай бұрын

@@QuynhAnh-rc3iq 99.9% of diamonds are NOT conflict. Most people want diamond not lab-grown diamond. If concerned, one can buy a diamond that comes with a GIA certification. Alternatively, a person can buy a pre-owned diamond from a reputable dealer and not have the massive pollution and corporate greed on their conscience that comes with lab-grown diamonds.

what is the machine called? just a uv machine?

There's no difference with the real and lab diamond besides one is mined, the only major thing i see here is There's no reason to mine natural diamonds and harm the eco system so you guys can charge more money where people can buy the lab for 20 to 40 % cheaper with better quality and conflict free.

@bwest8372

3 жыл бұрын

obviously there's a difference lol

@skittles618

3 жыл бұрын

The difference is in which atmosphere or in othere words enviroment, the diamond is grown. This decides, what the defects consist of. In diamonds grown in the earths crust, the main inclusion is nitrogen, and sometimes a few othere dopends, which decide the colour of the diamond. In lab grown diamonds, a boron atmosphere is used, because it allows for a more perfect Crystal structure. So the only dopends are boron atoms. This is the reason, why a flouresence measurment can identifie those two: the nitrogen doped diamond gives off blue light, while the boron doped is not flouresencent. Besides, there are also natural diamonds, which do not show flouresence, so this machine would give a false positive in this cases.

@FREESPIRITSSOARING

3 жыл бұрын

@@skittles618 imagine people would pay double in adition to child slave labour, just to prove to a machine they got a mined diamond

@marcusthejeweler9138

3 жыл бұрын

@@skittles618 well put.

@Jjbiscuit

2 жыл бұрын

@@FREESPIRITSSOARING if I’m paying double price, someone better die in getting that for me

What does the UV machine specifically look for to tell that it's a lab grown diamond?

I think its one of the best things they have come up with. To be able to take a gemstone and make it in a lab changes the game. A lot of stones are unobtainable to most so creating a way people can have the same thing but not at the same orive is amazing and those ultra rich can habe their giant million dollars stones while the rest of us have it for a fraction

If lab grown and mined are both diamonds, why do they have different uv properties? Where do those come from? What makes them different? is there a way to replicate that on the labgrown diamond?

@lixiaochen6

2 жыл бұрын

Lab grown diamond is (usually) pure. Natural diamond tends to have impurities that makes them behave slightly differently under UV. Since pure diamonds have better properties for practical uses (like cutting, optical component), that's where the research went into. It's theoretical possible to introduce impurities in the lab grown diamonds to make them pass these tests. I think there have been some colored lab grown diamonds. Overall it's probably just not worth the effort remake the tooling just to forge some natural diamonds. Diamond making machines are extremely expensive. They can make generic, pure diamonds. Pick the good ones to sell as jewelry, and sell the rest as industrial parts. It's not like larger business can laundry lab grown diamonds as natural ones at scale anyway. Whether there are some smaller labs doing it is another story. The only way you will be able to tell might be they are all impure in the same way when you're looking at an entire batch.

@toocooldk

Жыл бұрын

Why the can I buy less perfect lab made diamonds? They use the 4 C scale just like with natural diamonds.

@larrystookey2545

9 ай бұрын

I've heard that nitrogen in mined diamonds is the reason. The nitrogen has a blue fluorescence.

I apologise if I’m wrong but from my understanding cubic zirconia “diamonds” aren’t really diamonds it doesn’t have carbon in it and no qualities of a real diamond, what I’m really interested is the real lab grown diamonds that have the same chemical properties of a mined diamond would the machine be able to detect those , as far as I know those lab grown diamonds are diamonds and not fake diamonds

@warlockengineer

3 жыл бұрын

It can't, this video is garbage

@samstacey8608

2 жыл бұрын

Yes they would that’s what he tested. Natural, lab and cz. Not that it matters, most jewellers won’t have those machines. As long as it looks like a diamond I’m happy

@entropicloop7980

Жыл бұрын

All jewelers have diamond testers that easily distinguish between fake lab diamonds and real diamonds in less than a minute. If you want to save money go for ut but you won’t be able to sell the ring if needed.

I'd rather my diamonds come from science and technology opposed to slave labor

@warframeees8013

3 жыл бұрын

@@Eli-lb1lc what a load of BS

@warframeees8013

3 жыл бұрын

@TubeSurferGeek ye exactly 😂 Sweatshop workers in China using advanced machinery and technology to make diamonds is the biggest load of BS ive heard. It’s only teams of skilled scientists that can make them at this time otherwise they would be way cheaper. It’s a costly process that requires very skilled and educated staff and expensive technology.

@zackgalante4899

3 жыл бұрын

Give me natural u can take fake lab crap

@skittles618

3 жыл бұрын

@@zackgalante4899 you know, that a lab grown dimond ist probably more "perfect" when you look at the crystel structure? It has less inpurities and less crystel defects.

@warframeees8013

3 жыл бұрын

@@skittles618 shhh 🤫

I have a ring that is moissanite center and lab diamond accent stones. One of the accent stones + the center stone have the orange / red phosphorescence after exposing it to uv light. Can you please confirm that moissanites have an orange phosphorescence?

@winkydoodle7167

Жыл бұрын

what uv light did you use?

Can you get the same results with just a 365nm UV flashlight in a dark room? I heard lab diamonds have a bit of Phosphorescence under UV light. and natural doesn't Is that correct?

I call the lab grown “conflict free diamond” vs “blood diamond”

@joshf-w9602

5 ай бұрын

Yep I call it the ethical diamond

@jfashionable

Ай бұрын

Marketing from DeBeers won't allow that lol. But great point, thats basically what it is.

Thank you.

Gotta call bullshit. This guys selling the machine. If the properties are exactly the same nobody will be able to tell the difference!🤣

@deathrager2404

3 жыл бұрын

lab diamonds best cut is vvs1/vvs2. which is very very good. all these americans are trying to get you to buy something. lol just get a diamond tester for 30 bucks, if you got a real diamond you good.

@godassasin8097

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently the lab grown diamonds are more perfect while natural diamonds have impurities, the machine searches for the signs of those impurities

What does Moissanite look like? No color/clear?

So the Hope diamond was lab grown?

So now I have to buy this dual screen kindle microwave that has a $25k price tag? It's cheaper just to buy lab diamonds Ricky Tan

@OutdoorCanadians

2 жыл бұрын

Right coming on here on behalf of the diamond industry to continue the Congo line to the cleaners they’ve created

How this machine calls ? I need one.

what is your lab grown diamond has no florescence (documented) but your natural does?

What’s the error rate of the machine used in the video?

Where u can buy this machine please ?

I'd like to expand on the test to see how moissanite shows up, as well as white sapphire and white topaz. Moissanite, especially. But I''ve had plenty of rings set with white sapphire as well. Nothing wrong with a lab-created diamond, but just 6 months earlier I was hearing reputable people, registered gemologists, etc., saying you cannot test for or tell the difference between natural and lab-created. That just doesn't sound right. BTW, lab-created is way overpriced!

@verydenise

Жыл бұрын

Natural diamonds are overpriced too.

So what in the lab is different from the earth stones

@deathrager2404

3 жыл бұрын

nothing. only the clarity is better in earth's stones. but that clarity is not even visible with your eyes, and barely visible with a magnifier. so fuck getting the best clarity, just go for vvs1/vvs2. lab grown diamonds are either vvs1/vvs2 or lower. but vvs1/vvs2 is almost just as good as the upper ranks. so get vvs1/vvs2

When you go to a store to buy lab grown diamonds, but they give you a "natural" diamond. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@pancholopez3538

3 жыл бұрын

When the clerk your buddy

@aclearlake6210

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah.. we want ethical diamonds

Real diamonds there’s a gazillon of them the market sets the standard rare my friend had a shop in the diamond center in New York years ago. He had tons of them in the safe. He always said people are stupid. Try to sell it back they won’t give you shit for it. Labs the best you won’t get anything for them resale but you won’t get taken to the cleaners either

@susieserb6068

2 ай бұрын

notice how DeBeers is in the Lab Grown market and controlling THOSE prices. With Ritani you see the mark ups. As much as the diamond many times IOW 2x's the cost.

How much money would it cost to build a diamond lab ?

@BobbyDazzler888

Жыл бұрын

4 dollars

So how do we know the difference? I don't understand

@CreepyRecordings

3 жыл бұрын

Without the machine what r u doing

But, some HPHT diamonds can test as Moissanite. In my Presidium multi tester III, HPHT tested as moissanite most of the times.

This machine is testing both type of lab grow diamonds..? I mean to say .. HPHT & CVD ..!!

Only one way to tell, the laser inscription on the Diamond.

@bobbychrist5023

3 жыл бұрын

@TubeSurferGeek you can literally cross reference the number on GIA website -.-.

@bobbychrist5023

3 жыл бұрын

And UV light doesn’t tell you lab grown Diamond vs natural.

@suellacockerham4827

8 ай бұрын

Not so. I have a laser inscription with a certificate for my lab grown, heart shaped, 1.09 length to width ratio, table 57%, 3.01 carat, F color, VVS2 clarity and Super Ideal cut for $2,139 (that is price of the stone only).

Is cttw diamonds real

If you sell them to jeweler can he tell if it is lab grown ???

@ismaelkwiek1727

3 жыл бұрын

No

@ramiabram6010

3 жыл бұрын

@@ismaelkwiek1727 really ??

@deathrager2404

3 жыл бұрын

@@ramiabram6010 no he cant dude. even the trained jeweler has trouble finding the differences between natural and lab diamonds. so no.

What is a cubic zirconia

and if you're struggling to tell the differance, just check for traces of child slaves' blood on the natural diamond.

How much does the best natural Dimond 💍 ring Cost plz answer me

When they say there is no difference how about the price ? That’s different worth more

If I wanna contact how I will do

What u told me pretty much dimonds are worthless because the can be replicated, that means as technology advances there will be even less ability to tell the difference

The red dot is painted over the lab grown and you can clearly see the stone glowing very bright turquoise behind it as it is not perfectly over it. Seems to be that if it doesnt glow turquoise its not a diamond and if it glows too much, aka its too good its marked as lab.

Magic. Got it.

Over the phone A local jeweler told me he doesn’t have the machine because it’s to expensive. He said he trust his Diamond guys. I laughed and hung the phone up on him.

Sweaty and moistened

thanks for the clip. Like

"Yes, sir, even though you can't tell the difference because they are practically the same, this one is so much more valuable. It comes with our premium services."

Other than the resale value, what’s wrong with a lab diamond exactly? They’re both chemically equivalent. My engagement ring has a lab diamond and my so saved money while getting me a big stone with amazing fire and brilliance. The undertone in this video makes it seem like it’s less superior than a natural diamond... that’s pretty condescending of you lol.

@hetvi865

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah diamonds are really not worth the thousands of dollars (it's just their marketing). But usually people aren't looking to resell their diamonds anyway (unless maybe you steal or it's an antique or something). And lab grown is probably going to be more 'ethical' in terms of conflict.

@barringtonmorris90

3 жыл бұрын

@@lookhowshegobbledthat why would u sell a diamond? Is times really that bad? Divorce? Thats not the point if getting s diamond.

@damolaalabi8211

3 жыл бұрын

Trust me you made the right decision even when you consider resale value,you will lose about 40% for natural diamonds in resale and about 70% for lab..I just sold my engagement ring from my first marriage and lost about 9,000 on a 22k stone.I just found the same stone at 8k lab grown version..I wouldn’t be this mad if I’d lost 70% of 8k...if doesn’t make sense when you do the maths! Never again!

@barringtonmorris90

3 жыл бұрын

@@damolaalabi8211 why did you get a divorce?

@barringtonmorris90

3 жыл бұрын

@@damolaalabi8211 kevin Samuels has entered the chat room!

That machine looks like the computer in willy wonka that spit out the location of the last wonka bar "buy more wonka bars, that would be cheating" so is it looking for florescence, bcuz if so that's just showing a flawed diamond

Saying a lab diamond and a earth diamond are not the same is like saying a piece of ice from your freezer and a piece of ice from your outside walkway during the winter are not the same.

@jackreynolds5518

7 ай бұрын

I love this analogy it explains the ‘difference’ perfectly

@susieserb6068

2 ай бұрын

so simple; so profound.

Even the computer says lab grown diamond is not the same as the natural one.

Where can i buy this test diamond machine?

@mattjrk5679

3 жыл бұрын

Both lab and natural Gems are the same. One is just cheaper. They only talk down on it;because it hurt the jewelry market

@goldslinger

3 жыл бұрын

Stuller.com has it 6 Grand $$$

@deathrager2404

3 жыл бұрын

@@goldslinger of course these americans try to sell you something. what else is new.

@goldslinger

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattjrk5679 it hurts the natural Diamond market. The jewelry market is enjoying good profits for the first time in years.

@mattjrk5679

3 жыл бұрын

@@goldslinger that market is gone really cause most ppl even rich will buy man made over natural. He’s there’s planets in our solar system that makes them for rain. It’s not that low of a material to begin with

I now have doubts about the diamond ring I bought. Sigh!

@susieserb6068

2 ай бұрын

don't

Really a cool machine

Nice Theranos machine.

Lab grown seems to be glowing in the dark longer - more the reason to buy them lol. This machine is marking it red as though to make the buyer think it's a wrong choice rofl. This diamond industry would collapse if not for all the made up hype around wedding rings. No value for diamonds when you want to resell them. Even the diamond stores don't think it is worth something haha

@Zero8880

Жыл бұрын

Seriously, even natural diamonds lose their value faster than cars lol. Anyone thinking they will get even half of what they paid for their diamond, if they ever need to sell it, is in for a rude awakening.

@rls6079

Жыл бұрын

Truth, I do pawning from time to time. Diamonds are worth nothing 😔

@Sky2theRim

Жыл бұрын

​@@Zero8880it's interesting that the resale value seems to be such a big thing for diamonds and is thrown around as reason to not buy lab grown, I mean are you planning to get a divorce when you buy it? The ex would probably keep the ring anyway... I'd have a laugh knowing they got diddly squat for it.

Lab diamond good for utility needs but not as jewelry cause their prices is getting cheaper when they found the better method to created it

What about a non fluorescent natural diamond? Every natural diamond has different levels of fluorescence.

@NoBody-tz4fb

3 жыл бұрын

Not true it can carry

Diamond can be easily obtained from Coal or Graphite. Its not that hard now.

Best way to put it natural diamond made my nature/god Lab grown diamond is made by man

So why u need to tell the diff using this machine when the chemical composition structure and properties are the same only so that MINED diamonds can be sold for far more price and the companies can keep their monopoly. The difference u can tell throught this machinenis of purity and lab grown diamonds are more pure compared yo mined diamonds hence u can tell the difference

Lab diamonds a scientifically different from natural ones. Natural diamond have traces of nitrogen, lab diamonds do not. The crystal structure is also different

@Anselm243

Жыл бұрын

Don’t listen to this guy. There is no different, yes there can be traces of other materials is natural diamonds BUT that is also the case for Lab grown. They are the same thing and 99.9% of people can’t tell the difference

@SlippyTweasel

Жыл бұрын

@@Anselm243 you really aren’t a bright one are you. If has something and the other doesn’t that’s LITERALLY the definition of different. Stop propagating the idea that lab junk is good or the same because the ones of us who are actually in the business and know, know. The fact you’re bragging that most people can’t tell the difference doesn’t help it just makes you sound even more sketchy than you already are. Go back to your chill music and stop commenting on things you have zero clue about

Hey guys this machine is real. Look it up. I’d rather have a natural diamond. If you’re willing to accept the technology that makes lab-made diamonds, you also have to be willing to accept the technology that can detect the differences.

@taoliu3949

3 жыл бұрын

Not really, all the machine does is check for certain impurities. You can still have naturals without these impurities and they fetch a high price.

Thank you very much sir. I am 500Cart Diamond for sell .Thank you ❤

What’s really crazy is the machine indicates the lab diamond as bright red instead of the cubic zirconia.😂😂😂. I’d think the cubic would be the red color, as it’s the least desirable of the bunch. I’m guessing this machine is specifically to rule out lab diamonds as a jeweler should be able to immediately identify a cz with the naked eye.

Haha so I can save tons of money and buy a lab grown and not a soul will know unless you put it in a machine?? Awesome!

Me realizing that "since 1993" was 30 years ago 😩

I hate to say it, but if the only way to tell the difference is with this machine, why would anyone buy a mined diamond? It’s unsettling knowing that your real 1 carat mined diamond cost more than the 3 carat lab grown diamond the person next to you is wearing.

The florescence shouldn't factor in, both natural and lab grown diamonds can have or not have it.

Absolutely stupid. Diamonds are no longer rare. They are lab created now. Chemically identical. They just keep telling people natural diamonds are rare so they can make more money.

He is just saying that so he can still sell the diamonds in that shop. 🤣🤣🤣

Like comparing wild salmon to farmed salmon, one is more expensive but it is still a fish

Wow, this video was absolutely useless. "Hey, just stick it in this machine here, eh" What kind of machine is it? Who makes it? Where can I get one? How much does it cost? How do I get one? What is it's accuracy rating? Can it distinguish a lab diamond from Moissanite? If you're just going to tell us to use that machine, answering questions like those is essential. But actually, I expected some basic tips like examining the stone. Like, I don't know, are all lab diamonds are flawless and could you use that as an indicator?

Honestly for me personally, knowing that it was mined from Africa with human sweat and hard work adds value to the natural diamond and this is why I and the industry prefers to add the higher value to natural made.

You just KNOW that 20 years ago someone, or some small business, figured out how to make diamonds in a lab. They probably made billions and billions of dollars selling fake diamonds.

@user-wl4df3yq5r

2 жыл бұрын

The are atomically the same you nitwit. Down to the sub atomic level. The only reason they are different is bc lab grown is pure and still has gasses trapped inside.

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30%-50% less ?! try 90% +... thats more realistic...

You guys can grow both Diamond and Virus in labs. Great !

No, it doesnt have any difference no matter how hard the mining industry gonna spread lies and propaganda about lab grown diamonds.

The natural diamond industry is F*******.

How to tell the difference from a gay dude from a really really really gay dude? Gloves.

If the machine can tell the difference between lab grown and mined diamonds using properties of light that is an optical difference go back to school go back to science class 7th 8th grade about you'll learn about it there

NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL

No need for that. My cheap $50 diamond tester can spot a man made diamond.

I thought for a second that it was required to have gay gloves to know the difference.

Haha these diamond companies really trying to stay in buisness

The lab grown diamonds hold no value which is why they’re getting cheaper and cheaper.

I'll never understand why people are so obsessed with natural nonsense. Science for life

@Max-ck1bm

Жыл бұрын

Natural nonsense? But yet science for life? You’re contradicting yourself with your ignorance

I am ready to spend my money , only real diamonds for me . And I don't diamonds to sell them. I adorn each piece I own . Truly said , " Diamonds are forever ".

A lab grown DIAMOND is the same thing as a nAtUraL DISAMOND. It doesn’t matter which one.

Nobody wants blood diamonds.

@zackgalante4899

3 жыл бұрын

I do! send them over here if you have any natural diamonds ... i want natural diamonds and they hold more value than lab diamonds ..

I prefer what Allah created💖. So natural Dimond is better. And it's more expensive cuz it is more valuable and precious.

Let's be real, the people advocating for lab diamonds are trying to justify to themselves they can't afford a real diamond