What an interesting video. I had no idea that tap tuning existed. Watching you build this instrument is blowing my mind! Awesome work!

I love the precision, detail and craftsmanship of your process Tomy. Always a pleasure to watch a true craftsman at work in his shop.

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

GuysWoodshop thanks Guy, coming from a craftsman, it sure means a lot..

I am so glad I found your channel. This takes Roger Siminoff's brilliant work in books and makes it come to life for me. I actually started this comment long before you mentioned his book. I know that he has many videos out now as well but each teacher adds to the students knowledge and your work here is invaluabe to me. Thank you again. I have been watching all morning, time to go to work now.

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

tsstn hope you didn't end up late for work!! Roger does have good literature.. what I found hard was to apply without seeing it first when I first started.. I do try to fill the blanks I was struggling with early on..

I also have the Siminoff book, but without your explanation it was just a lot of technical info. Thank you for this clear and focused explanation!

@HovingtonInstruments

6 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome... I remember going through the same head scratching early on... glad this could help and that you enjoy the build!!!

Never seen this done and always wondered how .... Thank you awesome and don't miss a thing out never boring. Cheers chap

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot Phil!

I think it's really cool that you're showing the whole process of creating a specific tone

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

Lars de Waardt thanks, I had a few requests over the last few years. I think y may have been one of the people who asked me.. if my memory serves me right..glad you enjoyed it.

I don't think there is a luthier out there that would go to all this added work to show what goes into building an instrument for someone. I am loving this. And learning as we go. I will have to make a page on my website that shows all this stuff. I already have the next instrument design lined up when you finish this one :D ... is anyone interested in a good deal on a Gold Tone octave mandolin or mandola? haha

Excellent overview, thanks!

Thanks Tomy, excellent instruction!

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

Happy you were able to get something out of it!

thank you Tomy so much for the info and showing how you do what you do . as i am retired i am hopping to get to the point in building some stringed inst. for myself and just to keep me busy and out of the dirt

@HovingtonInstruments

6 жыл бұрын

Seems like a nice plan.. Wishing you loads of fun in the shop !

Nice explanation, Tom. Very interesting video, thanks!

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

thank you

Extraordinaire explicatión!!

Thanks for sharing 🖖

Verry cool.

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

Wood By Wright thanks James, glad you enjoyed it:)

Thanks Tomy, I think santa will bring me one!

Can you Tell me on what note tuning the top of Acoustic jazz guitars? With bars tuning in d# and c#. Thanks

Hi, Tomy! How would tuning of the body affect tuning of guitar? Will it resonate more with traditional mandolin tuning?

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

moristar1101 theD# and C# I used in the video are usually used on Jazz guitar ( archtop) it all depends on the size of the instrument. I would recommend reading about it in the art of tap tuning. There is not a wrong way of doing it, but rather different target tuning. You can see this in my video on tuning a mandola backboard. I had to change the target tuning.

Very informative, on what basis did you decide the bars to be exactly C# and D#?

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

Chiliarcher archtop Jazz guitar are often tuned into D# and C#. Since the body is similar in size and the mandolin will only have a extra 2 strings i figured it would probably work pretty well . Thanks for your question ..

Do you think that there is a certain common (tap tone frequency) should be obtained during fabrication, in most of the acoustic instruments like guitars, lutes, Ouds, ... ? Or , each instrument has it’s own perfect tab tunes , that match it’s beautiful sound? And if they are different, How it can be determined for each acoustic instrument?

@HovingtonInstruments

4 жыл бұрын

I think tap tuning helps to replicate a good sound from a previous build . The main idea is the difference between the Bass bar and treble bar. In this case a full step. Since I have great results I can now target the same tap tones for upcoming builds. I could also experiment from this point leaving it stiffer and see if I like it better. Between different size instruments the target note if different since the size of different. With personal experimentation you can find and decide which targets you personally prefer ..

So what are the 2 notes that you ultimately want here?

Tomy, excellent videos. How did you decide that you needed a one tone difference between the treble and bass sides of the mandolin? Is that just an arbitrary determination or is it based on traditional instrument construction?

@HovingtonInstruments

4 жыл бұрын

I got it from the literature I’ve read on the subject.

hey, so this is a mandolin, right? So if I want to build an archtop based on Gibson L5, what notes would you tune to?

Tomy, have you found oiling an instrument soundboard vs. Shellac or varnishing it affected the sound?

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

I do find a big difference between lacquer and shellac. I guess oiling would fall in the same category as shellac as it does not restrict the wood like a lacquer or varnish would..In all honesty I've never use oil on any build..

On a 17" archtop do you do it the same way? Is it important to have the rims glued on or can you do this method without rims attached? Interested !

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

Edad Martin I would, the body length on this one is just shy of 18". If the rim is not attached it works too, but the target tuning would obviously be different as the rim stiffens the assembly. You would have to make your own experiment..

How can I apply this base note and treble note theory on the guitar soundboard.. And at which note should I tune the guitar top

@HovingtonInstruments

3 жыл бұрын

Great information in Roger siminoff book the art of tap tuning. I highly recommend it.

my thought is the brace should be in shape of I beam, thicker at top & bottom-thin in center. this will lower mass and allow faster sound creation.

Hi Tomy, am really enjoying your videos and learning much. Is the tone bars made of the same wood as the sound board of from the same hardwood as the body? Since I don't have the tuning equipment, is their a rule of thumb in listening to the wood sound? Thanks much.

@HovingtonInstruments

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Ron, yes same wood as the soundboard. Quarter or riff sawn.(usually Spruce)For the rule of thumb, bring the plate( soundboard) to your ear holding one end and tap the bottom end with your finger before starting to remove wood. Then redo this step as you are removing wood until you feel that the plate is holding a vibration. That’s as close you will be without a tuning equipment. Hope this helps

@manuelgomez1768

11 ай бұрын

You can Tuning in a cheap way, with a chromatic tuning machines for musical instruments. It must have microphon.

So do you need the whole software suite, or not. ?

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

Edad Martin if you are attempting to tap tune a instrument you'll need the software with the tap tuning enable. That's the deluxe version.

@manuelgomez1768

11 ай бұрын

In a cheap way you can do the tuning with a chromatic tuning machines for acoustic instruments. It must have microphone

Could you use a piezo clip mic for this?

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

rimmersbryggeri not sure, I'm not really familiar with the piezo mic..

@rimmersbryggeri

7 жыл бұрын

It's for korg tuners pretty cheap is like one of those tuner clips but for normal digital/analogue tuners. Micght be an idea to try to avoid ambient noise.

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

rimmersbryggeri thanks I'll look into it..

@rimmersbryggeri

7 жыл бұрын

I bought onw to be able to tune my piano but the dynamic range of the piano was too great for the tuner I guess I could donate it tou your experiment.

Tomy, why +2 cents? why not exactly D#?

@HovingtonInstruments

6 жыл бұрын

nhandutimusic thanks for your great question, I stopped there because I had the full step I was looking for between C# and D# and was close enough to my target. You are right, I could have brought it down to 0 cents. But like I’m explaining at the end of the video, with adding the fretboard and removing wood from where the fretboard will be glued on, the overall stiffness of the top plate ( soundboard) will change, but not the difference between the tones bars.. hope this helps, thanks for watching!

Hi I'm follow your beautiful videos. basically I build solid electric guitar , but a friend of mine gave me some acustic guitar to repair. If I shoot you some pictures, would you be so nice to help me? i'm trying to restore the side and to rebuild the back. Any tip will be much appreciated! thanks in advance.

@HovingtonInstruments

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, I can try to help. With pictures it’s really hard to see the extent of the damage or the repair need.. but send me pictures and I’ll see what i can do. Hovingtoninstruments@gmail.com

Are you in the US?

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

+Libo no, I'm in western Canada. British Columbia.

Tony how much would an acoustic guitar cost?

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

Hugo Danilo it depends on the type of wood and hardware you want... if you would like a quote you can send me a message through my website. www.hovingtoninstruments.com/contact.html

@ThePipeous

6 жыл бұрын

hugo, Tomy is building this for me. I can tell you his prices are better than fair. I looked at a number of luthiers before I ordered. i got an amazing price for such a custom instrument. I am a full time gigging musician so honestly I am poor LOL. and I am feeling the money I saved ordering from Hovington a super investment considering how much time he has put into this build. I watched his work for 3 years before ordering. And I have never felt so confident in the purchase of something built in my life

I'm sorry, but why tune treble in "d" and bass in "c"?

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

Sopova.vn@gmail.ru Femme333@mail.ru the old archtop by Martin guitars were tuned this way and this is what my customer wanted..

@sopova.vngmail.rufemme333m8

7 жыл бұрын

Ok, but after gluing the body, varnishing, gluing the bridge, these settings will change! Isn't it?

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

Sopova.vn@gmail.ru Femme333@mail.ru if you watch the video till the end I actually answer this question. This is the common question people usually ask about tuning components.

@sopova.vngmail.rufemme333m8

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Are you french? I know, way off any sort of relevance but i get a hint of french accent.

@HovingtonInstruments

5 жыл бұрын

Oui, j’ai grandi à Lévis an sud de Québec. J’ai déménagé dans l’ouest , lower mainland il Y a maintenant près de 15 ans..

@ericlebeau1604

5 жыл бұрын

Entk, ton travail est hors pair. Merci énormément de partager tes connaissances.

Thanks. Im going to try it on my current build. Ill try the peterson site for details Heres my pic site enjoy. Www.redtailguitars.com

@HovingtonInstruments

7 жыл бұрын

You have some really nice work on there!

@mrfrontranger7911

7 жыл бұрын

Tomy Hovington thanks it represents over 20 years of fun. I always want to learn more never be static. Im going to get the complete suite .ill be starting another archtop this spring. Keep the vids coming love it.

Why make it complicated when it is not... When installing de back and the neck, everything will change... Not worth the work... Just overthinking... Who says what note the soundboard as to be...

@HovingtonInstruments

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your opinion, but I do disagree and will continue to do this step on my builds as it sets the difference in between the tone bars and by knowing the frequency it can be replicated on another build. I am quite aware that it all changes when neck and back are added, and same could be said for the voicing part of the apertures. The idea is to maximize the resonance and being able to replicate on an another build. Although there is already targets to tune most instruments now, nothing prevents anyone to experiment with higher or lower notes. So in that regards, nobody tell what the note should be...