Channel mapping still not working

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Angela Cervera If there is no movement at all then there is 4 possible reasons for that.. 1. You are not bound to the receiver. 2. You have the wrong connection type selected. (example: you have ppm selected when using iBus.... or you have iBus selected when running pwm) 3. Your receiver is plugged into the wrong port on your flight controller 4. You are connected to the right port on the flight controller BUT you have not enabled serial Rx on the correct port in the Ports Tab

@daleb5701

7 жыл бұрын

Hi RCFlyer85, I have tried all those options and none of them work, could you give some advice regarding #2 on the setting that should work. ie tried randomly multiple configurations with no luck

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

dale b what receiver do you have?

@daleb5701

7 жыл бұрын

The same one you're using in the vid. Stock not updated.

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

dale b ok and how do you have it connected? PWM with all 6 (1 3 wire and 5 1 wire) wires, PPM with 1(3 wire connection ) or iBus with 1 (3 wire connection)?

Out of the countless hours of research and no one to show me what I was doing wrong,by far you have been the most helpful!! hands down,thanks

built my 1st quad set it all up then found that throttle was wrong spent half a day searching for the answer and found this video cheers Brother for the simply fix

Thanks so much for the help. Now I’m flying endlessly

Great video, started off a bit rocky, but you recovered and did well! Keep up the videos and fly safe. I am a single engine aircraft pilot and a commercial drone pilot! Good job. Thank you!

This is awesome! Added this to my VERY USEFUL playlist for quad-copters! Thanks!

Thank you so much. Your video fixed my issue that I had been working on for hours!

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Trevor Williams Glad to hear that... that's why I do it. Happy Flying!

I'm digging this review...Thanks for putting it into summary! I had a lot to learn by myself that you covered but much more still to be learned! Very helpful! Through and simplistic!

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Blake Libby Thank you for the kind words, I appreciate it. Thanks for watching and glad I could help

Thank you so much, I am new to this RC world and your video helped me with my first quad. You are the best!

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Aiz That's what it's all about.... Glad I could help!

First time drone user needed help and you did it perfectly. Cheers bro

This helped me so much thanks!!!

It really helped me! Thanks a ton

HELPED ME BRO THANK U MUCH

Thank You for the quick response. JR

Thanks man, helped me out a bunch!

Thanks bro most helpful video by far

Thx good info keep it up

Great video Sir, loved the plain speaking easy to follow instructions and just subbed ya!

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Rick Flare Awesome... Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!

Great video, thnx alot man !

Thanks for the tutorial! Subscribing for more for sure!! Keep it up!

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

FunkPV Thank you I appreciate it!

Hi thanks best explained flysky setup

thank u it helped me a lot

thanks for sharing my friend ✌

Worked, thx !

Thanks man! I've been scratch building fixed wings for several years, but never built or even flown a "real" quad. I have a tinywhoop and like it and was wondering if I could use my radio with a bigger quad... I guess so. Now I just have to build it.....and probably rebuild it a few times to.

@iamshredder3587

2 жыл бұрын

Depends what sort of radio. If something like this a hobby grade radio sure. If like one of those cheap little video game controllerslike come with many whoop packs , probably not. And even if you could ou should probably just get a real radio that has proper gimbals and everything like this one least.

your video saved my life. well, someone's life. that thing about holding the cancel button to save settings "everybody knows" - it's not in the manual that i can see.

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

atomictraveller Really? I never looked at any manual personally. Yeah it's sooo weird that they wouldn't at least make it long pressing the OK button. Anywho glad I could help

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

TJ W Neither did mine but I assume he means an online manual

Helps a lot thanks

Thank you man!

Very helpful thanks👍

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Your very welcome... Thanks for watching!

All set, thx!

The same, fs-ct 6b tx and rx, and yes I have movement in the receiver tab

Great vid. I know it's laughable for most flyers but for us beginners, without videos like this it can be baffling so thank you. Is mode always on ch6 and arm ch5 on every quad though.

@RCFlyer85

4 жыл бұрын

No you can change it around if you'd like but 1-4 are always going to be the same so ch5&6 are your only free channels unless you do the 10ch mod

Im getting a happy model mantis that comes with one of these i6 transmitters so glad I can bind it to other stuff

@RCFlyer85

6 жыл бұрын

i am me Yes the i6 is a really functional TX though the RX's are just so so

@weirdscience8341

6 жыл бұрын

RCFlyer85 im new to all this it's definitely better than my hubsan x4 tx i will get a taranis later on but for learning betaflight and binding the mantis and this look perfect 😁

Hey man I followed your instructions down to the dot but at 9:32 nothing moves in cleanflight like yours does. BTW im glad i found your video Ive been trying to figure this problem out for a while. your video def helped me out a ton so far!

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

If you check out my comments to Angela Cervera (it should be pinned at the top of the comments) you'll see what I have to say about that. Hopefully that will help you out. Keep me updated

thanks you are amazing

Very good 👍☢️

Thanks for share bro

thanks for the info sir

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Ricky ThePhoton Dexter No problem I try my best to pay it forward to the hobby. Thanks for watching!

@southsidemikevlogs

7 жыл бұрын

with the flysky fs t6 can I use ppm

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

vape guy 261 yes

Thanks for showing the right way to do things . I have a problem with getting my transmitted to work on screen like you have and my calibrations so off left is right right is left so I need help bad

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Angela Cervera Like throttle is on the wrong stick or do you just need to reverse your channels?

Awesome video but I need help finding that wire that you connected to the receiver from the drone like when you said make sure not to dod that because the wire was unplugged. Ya that wire i need but I cant find it

great video. does this have DSMX and or DSM2 ? also does it have safe or auto correct for beginner flying ?

Great video.. does this work with the eachine novice 1?

Great vid helped me a lot now that's set do you have any vids on pid settings I'm a newbie so I don't know anything thanks jim

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

jim thumm No PID videos here but there's plenty here on KZread... I've watched plenty and still don't fully understand what to do lol... Good Luck and Happy Flying!

Yahoooo!! at last, now I switch switches and my micro brushless starts and changes flight modes, its been weeks; no actually its been months and all I could do was scratch my head..Thank you..

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

EVIL TREE FPV Glad I could help!

hello! subbed! you are a pinnacle of knowlege. watched 15 vides, FINALLY yours explains it slowly, and understaNDING the concepts. i just got this radio at the thrift store for 2.50 and want to use it my quads. I will order some of the reciever parts that goes to the quads (i got some walkera 250's I want to bypass the Devo 710 and use my F6) I set it up as you instructed. would have never thought of that. thanks man truely, I am learning each day trying not to overspend. I will look for a few cheapie recievers, do they come with the cables to attach? I know i can direct power to a small battery or 4aa, something 4v-6v i immagine, yes>? anyway. tons to learn thanks again.

@Kriswixx

5 жыл бұрын

devo project on hold.

Definitely helping me. But Km still lost. Lol Thanks

Is there a big difference between IA6 receiver and iA6B setup? I got my Wizard in and bound the receiver to it and controller successfully (connected the quad to channel 1 on the receiver), set up the arm switch on the controller (SWD) and tried to power up quad and controller and I'm not getting anything when I flick the arm button. Not even a hiccup. Also no throttle response. Is it necessary to update using beta flight? Or should it at least respond out of the box w the receiver connected to it?

Hi sir , i want to build my drone i have sp racing f3 evo v2 and receiver fs-a8s and remote fs-i6 and motors i solding the board with motors and receiver ,what i should do next ??

can't get beta flight to connect to my multi. running on a Mac, do I need to install a driver or something?

I am going to be your like number 500. =)

@RCFlyer85

6 жыл бұрын

Carlo Mario I'm just happy that I could help so many people.... Happy Flying!

I decided to buy eachine wizard x220 big jump from bugs 3 and 6 do i need to connect transmitter to the computer i can't get it to fly

Hi, Angele can you help me set this up for hexell-x in cleanflight, I mean set the flysky.

Thanks for your video!! It helped me finally get my modes setup for my Furibee Fuuton 200. I'm stuck with a Eachine branded i6 transmitter, and I can't set the buzzer up. None of the other aux switches work. Plus is there a way to backup or save models if the transmitter get destroy or damaged.

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

George Grazette What receiver does it have and what do you have set up so far? Are you using any switches currently?

@George64G

7 жыл бұрын

RCFlyer85 Flysky FS-A8S.I just ordered 2 ixb receiver ..the buzzer works when I shut the transmitter off, but I want on on the transmitter. I setup Arm on switch A, switch C is Angle, Hozion & Acro.. No Airmode made my motors spin up too much. If I update the firmware on the transmitter will I lost my previous model's ? Plus having to use sliding the tabs to get into setting will that be gone too.?

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

George Grazette I can't remember what all gets erased when you mod your controller since I did it so long ago so it's best to assume that it will erase everything. I personally don't know how it goes on the Eachine model though if you flash the official mod it should get rid of the need to slide the tabs. with your current set up if you're not using 3 flight modes you can set arming and two flight modes on the 3 position switch and that would leave another switch or Knob open for your buzzer or whatever else

thanks great tutorial really appreciate

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

donkey No problem... Thanks for watching!

Thx bro! There has to be one more problem with my setup: In betaflight all the signals from the radio do what they should, so that's fine. If I go to "motors" i can spin the motors, also fine. But when i desconnect my drone from the computer, restart the drone and the controller, i arm it and i set a flightmode, nothing happens. I can only see that the flightcontroller responds to my radio. Can somebody help me out?

Will this transmitter work on the Clearview flight simulator ??? ----------- Thanks!

Thanks for all your time in posting this. I see you binded to your custom built drone. Can I bind to a Bugs 3 and Bugs 4, or any pre packaged drone ?? How’s that done ?

@RCFlyer85

4 жыл бұрын

Most premade drones have their own proprietary software so in general no you can't. There are modules to emulate "some" of those signals for other transmitters but I've never used any so I couldn't help you much there.

@djwak59

4 жыл бұрын

RCFlyer85 thanks for the reply. I’ve seen some other videos where people have bound to pre made drones, so I just assumed it was easy to do. It also explains why those drones already come with their own controller. So...., maybe they can be modded, just not usually done. Thanks again.

If you still cannot bind like the remote wont say bind ok, your powersupply current might not be enough. I ran 1 amp and it wont bind but as soon as i ran it with a 2 amp charger it will bind instantly

Can you bind this controller with the Tinyhawk 2 freestyle?

Great video, very helpful

That’s exactly what I’m looking for , one thing - does it work with orange cube FC ?

@RCFlyer85

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, I don't really follow drone stuff like I used to so I am unfamiliar with that FC

what digital transmitter is compatable for echine e120 heli

RCFlyer85: Nice Video and Thanks. Question on an aspects of FailSafe setup. This was not covered, but perhaps you have experience with also the Failsafe mode. In BetaFlite has two options, 1: fall out of sky, 2: Land In RX (IA6B) Failsafe setup, all six channel can be programed. So if I set say RX channel 3, Throttle in RX to lowest point (Throttle off) on the failsafe setup of RX screen. Suggests to me the Quad will just fall out of Sky. On the other hand, in Betaflite if it is set to land. Which is the Master, I.E. does the quad react to the RX or Flight Controller? Which is superior? Seems it might be the FC but not sure? Thanks BobFlyer

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm not sure which one is superior but I set both. Channel 3 to 0% and set it to drop if BF... If you really wanted to know you could just test it

the regular FS i6... can you change the mode 1 and 2 for left or right throttle control ? which mode is most commonly used ? which mode is better ?

@RCFlyer85

4 жыл бұрын

Mode 2 is the most common and that's throttle on the left stick... I can't remember for certain but I'm pretty sure you can change the mode on this transmitter but if you don't purchase it the way you want it you have to open it up to modify it when you change it

Did everything as per the video. I still cant change the values with the transmitter, i.e, in betaflight, the values do not change. p.s: the receiver port on the FC is ppm/sbus, i connected my receiver (the same one that u use) into that. pls help

Have you messed with your Raptor 390 lately? You been able to get your LED pinouts to work on that FC?

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Hans Yeah my led works just fine... I have an 8 LED board all programmed and working just fine

Oh ,ok so will will this transmitter work with the Rx31d is a DSM2/DSMX compatible 4 channel micro receiver with twin on-board 2A ES ??

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Manny Silva No it will not

can you use the other type of receiver for this? the stock one it comes with which port? thanks!!!!

@RCFlyer85

6 жыл бұрын

ultra rc Not sure what RX you are talking about but this transmitter works with most FlySky AFHDS 2A receivers like the... A8S, X6B, iA6C, iA6 etc

What happens if my bar isn't all the way full does that mean am not bond please help

please help. when i bind the rx battery shows up but it just keeps beeping and does nothing

Please help me, I have the exact same receiver and transmitter as you do, but I am using a SPracing F3 Flight controller, I have binded my receiver with the transmitter, I have followed all the steps and I have selected the right configuration settings. However, once I'm at the channel mapping, the throttle on betaflight doesn't move when I move the throttle on the controller

@RCFlyer85

4 жыл бұрын

What version of betaflight is in your flight controller?

hi i have a few questions i binded my mobula6 quad , i hear a beeing sound from the transmitted all the time and the rx is flashing , how can i turn that off? also in beta flight when i turn the motor stop on , and save the quad doesnt arm at all?

@RCFlyer85

4 жыл бұрын

It's been a while since I've messed with this stuff so it'd be hard for me to help you currently..... Sorry.

I know this is an old video, but when i get to the receiver tab in betaflight, my sticks are at (A)1537, (E)1527, (R)1504 and my all sticks only go down to 1030-1060... Should i just trim them?

@RCFlyer85

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't... Do it the right way

Good 👊👊👊

Do you need any extra cables aside from what comes in the box?

@RCFlyer85

5 жыл бұрын

I don't know.... I've never purchased a controller alone so I don't know what comes in the box.

Hello: Have a question for you that you may help me with???? I'm new to fpv and my wife surprised me with a Eachine Wizard X220 FPV Racer Blheli_S F3 6DOF 5.8G 48CH 200MW 700TVL Camera w/ FlySky I6 RTF and of course there are no instructions that came with it and I have no idea how all this is supposed to work. Now I got to the point where I got the fpv and my googles to work and I was able to pair the receiver with the drone but I can't get the motors to start. So I did some more research on you tube and down loaded Beta Flight and connected the drone with my computer to check out the operation. Well when I tabbed down to the receiver tab and it opened there is no info. According to other posts there are different color horozonal bars that show up to correspond with the different radio controls and would move when you would move each control. Well on my system there are no color bar and no movement when moving the controls. I can't find any instruction on how to go about checking what would cause this problem? So is there any instruction you could give me on how to go about and what to check so I can make the controls work, I think if I can figure this problem out this will fix the problem of the motors not wanting to ture on?. I hope I explained and made sense on my problem. Thanks for your help I watch your channel all the time and have learned a lot so thanks again. John

@RCFlyer85

6 жыл бұрын

I'd start with updating to the most recent version of betaflight and then you will need to set up everything all over again...

Hey, I can't find not one video on KZread about how to connect a FS-ia6b reveiver to a kiss flight controller. This is my first build. Thank you so much. It would be even better if u could do a vid on how to do that.;)

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Droneva Bass because it's pretty much won't work.... KISS doesn't support iBus unless you flash it to BetaFlight. There are a few other ways depending on your particular set up but not using the ia6b

@droneva9354

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the lighting fast response. What do I do know because I don't have any more money to get a spectrum or taranis x9d?

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Droneva You could... --- Without flashing to BetaFlight Run PPM (if that board supports it) Get an i6x or Turnigy Evolution TX which supports SBUS output and a compatible RX like the ia6c or X6B --- With flashing to BetaFlight use what you have (ia6b) in iBus mode

@droneva9354

7 жыл бұрын

So could I get the turnigy evolution that comes with a tgy-ia6c receiver and it will work with the kiss flight controller?

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Droneva Yes... Check out this video kzread.info/dash/bejne/kaZ1zLKBe8nbhNI.html

I have a dji flame wheel. The flysky FS-i6 is missing so I need to program another one which I bought with the FS-i6 flysky reciever and bind it. How do I know if it's clean flight or Betaflight? What else do I need to know to get it to fly.

@RCFlyer85

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't touched drones in a while... I honestly don't remember anything about this receiver. Sorry I can't help

@RCFlyer85

3 жыл бұрын

@Ed Straker Thank you for your assistance.... Hopefully he gets (got) it working

Hey bro, you still got that Walkera Rodeo 150 ? You said you were selling it for around 80, I was wondering if you would do 75, ? I was able to scrape together atlesst that much!!?

@RCFlyer85

6 жыл бұрын

Nope it's spoken for already.... sorry

As a beginner, which flysky model would you advise? So many different models of flysky receivers. I'm making wood planes and gliders.

@RCFlyer85

6 жыл бұрын

Sorry so late appearantly KZread hasn't been giving me notifications for a while and I just noticed... Depends on how many channels you need but most likely the ia6b or ia10b would be best for you

@boowonder888

6 жыл бұрын

I just bought the ia6 transmitter +ia6b receiver for 38 euros at bnggd. I think the telemetry of the ai6b can be important in time. I don't need 10 channels.

Hello Flysky has FS-i6 controller and dron which is flip32 control card. Can you help with flight settings? Thank you

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Bayfen Bursa you have to be more specific than just flight settings what exactly are you trying to set up? Do you have the receiver bound and working correctly?

i got a question, where are the red,black and white cables attached to from the quad copter @ 5:13 ? Thank you!

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Dmun That all depends on your FC.... Everyone is different.

@dmun2057

7 жыл бұрын

i have an F3 flight controller, this one: eu.banggood.com/Wholesale-Warehouse-Upgrade-NAZE32-F3-Flight-Controller-Acro-6-DOF-Deluxe-10-DOF-for-Multirotor-Racing-wp-Eu-1010232.html?rmmds=myorder can i just plug it in or something? i'm building my first drone now so i'm kinda new :) Thanks for your reply!

One more thing I brought the transmitter separate not rtf they told me I had to buy the other receiver fs ia6b

i had successfully bind a8s with fs i6 on my eachine ex110 but quad not responding, its my first racer, please guide.

@RCFlyer85

6 жыл бұрын

Fish and Aquarium Lover you'll have to set that up in betaflight or cleanflight whichever one you're using and try using S Bus or I bus

quick question why should multi rotors be setup on plane or glider? i set mine up on fixed pitch heli am i doing something wrong?

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

ShiestyFPV That's just the most common way of doing it and simpler in my opinion but hey if you set it up your way and it works more power to you. I think the logical explanation is that quadcopters actually fly more like planes than they do fix pitch and collective pitch helicopters. But hey there's more than one way to skin a cat

why is it when I try to configure my Eachine i6 remote controller in Libre Pilot, when I check to see if the remote is responding correctly with the on screen controls for throttle, pitch , roll and yaw, they do not move in the right direction on the screen that they should be moving {when I move throttle up the on screen controls show that the throttle being moved downward instead of upward. How can I fix this problem. Thanks

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

gerald j You need to reverse your channels... You can do this in Libre or in the transmitter itself.

Hey man thank you for this. I have my eachine I6 bound to the ppm ia6b RX and ppm set in betaflight but for some reason my channels aren't moving like when you go to set your endpoints in receiver in betaflight. I just had the pwm version working on the same quad a day ago and then I get the ppm version and it's not working. You think it's a bad RX? There were some bad reviews I read on Amazon where I got it. I hope I'm just doing something wrong. Hope you can help thank you.

@RCFlyer85

6 жыл бұрын

Ian Rice Double and Triple check your wiring... Why not use iBus?

@ianrice1778

6 жыл бұрын

Never mind I got threw trial and error.

@ianrice1778

6 жыл бұрын

RCFlyer85 thank you replying. I actually got it all set up now. Trial and error ya know. Thank you kindly.

Which Flight controller is used

Can u show programming for a drone

Hi, I'm a super boob, but I wanted to know, if I'm suposted to leafe the resever in the Drone or, If I should unplug IT again, when everything is set up 😁(or in other words should I fly with the resever?)

@RCFlyer85

3 жыл бұрын

Receiver stays in

@young.shredder2536

3 жыл бұрын

@@RCFlyer85 thanks😀

My transmitter is not responding like yours is when you go to betaflight I check if all the channels were in the right place but I checked all the channels same as yours but I don't know what I'm doing wrong

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Angela Cervera But how is it wrong? You have to be specific so I can help you.

Hi got one problem . for some reason my little one pulled out all my cables out of my machine i6 what colors goes where ...

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

M SBW There is no standard really so I couldn't say.... Honestly it doesn't matter as you can remap them in BetaFlight/Cleanflight

my motors aren't responding to either the tx or the gui (clean flight) I was trying to map throttle response from min to Max, kindly help me

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

sri vamsi Does anything move on the receiver tab in CleanFlight? What receiver and TX are you using

Yes thanks it really help

How would I change the arm from the left stick to the sw a

@RCFlyer85

4 жыл бұрын

You do that in Betaflight

What Happened from 9:24 to 9:26 when the video skips. That is where I get stuck, my Controller does not talk to my receiver.

I connect mine and nothing pops up in my lab top

@rcflyer85 not sure why but I get no bars on the reviever screen in cleanflight however the remote is bound and I have followed all your steps. any thoughts?

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

looseyfur74 Either you have the wrong Uart selected if it's serial RX or you have your RX wired wrong

@looseyfur74

7 жыл бұрын

I guess im just too noobish to follow. I have the same equipment as you seem to have in your video however after configuration as youve illustrated in this video, the quad literally will not fire. About to start from scratch for the 3rd time... your video makes most sense to me from the other tutos, I hope its my ignorance and not a defective drone?

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

if you want you can send me pictures on Facebook and I can check out your setup... I'll need closeups of the wiring and the ports, config page on Facebook

@looseyfur74

7 жыл бұрын

RCFlyer85 that is mighty kind of you I'll shoot some photos when I get back in the office 👍

Damn, I'm now running backwardsI got my motors working and when I tried to re calibrate, I messed up. Clean flight failed to recognise my com port, I uninstalled and reinstalled installed the driver again, device manager fails to show the driver( can't find it in c drive either). I don't know what to do. Please help me. By the way thanks for ur reply earlier

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

sri vamsi You are just having the worst issues it seems... I don't think I could help you further without actually being there in person. Maybe you can find someone local to take a look at it. Sorry I can't do more.... Best of luck

Thanks RCFlyer85: I have a Turnigy I6 from 2015. The Model Name will not show up on the screen after I name the model and save. If I use say Model 06 and call it Drone06 and save, it shows up on the main screen as Turnigy 06. Tried many times and it will not show the name properly. Other than that I have to remember what turnighy xx is, all other features work fine. Any suggestions to fixes? Tnx Bob

@RCFlyer85

7 жыл бұрын

Robert Steele Is this in AFHDS ( Not 2A ) mode? It should say right on the front screen either AFHDS2A or AFHDS. If you are not in 2A mode I don't think it saves the names that way but other than that I'm really not sure unless it's just something from the Turnigy firmware that could probably be fixed by updating your transmitter

@bobflyer4346

7 жыл бұрын

It is in Mode AFHDS2A Found out it is a Turnigy I6 Bug in Firmware I bought the unit in 2015 and have not updated firmware Since I may brick my tx. Just have to remember the planes quad assignment. Thanks bob