HOW TO - Ride Without Fins - Wakeboarding with Shaun Murray

Why fins? Why use 'em? If we're being honest... you don't need to have fins to wakeboard!
Wait, wait, wait... did I say you didn't need fins to wakeboard?!
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A fin is meant to keep your board tracking straight and they're also there to catch you when you're doing something wrong. Riding with too much fin is going to allow you to get away with too many bad habits, which ultimately will prevent you from progressing in the sport.
So what's the right amount of fin?
Personally, I ride with 0.8" of fin. It allows me to still have a fun, playful board but also helps me when I need it. I send out the same amount of fin on all of my H/L Murray boards, too!
Questions? Comments? Drop them below and let me know what you think about riding without fins!
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  • @bushog2944
    @bushog29443 жыл бұрын

    Shaun: riding with out fins is a little difficult so ima be doin some simple easy stuff Also Shaun: 12:30

  • @standardnerd8694
    @standardnerd86942 жыл бұрын

    Literally gives me chills watchin' you ride.

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    2 жыл бұрын

    Like good chills or 🤢? I hope good ones 😊

  • @standardnerd8694

    @standardnerd8694

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Shaun.Murray Haha, for sure good ones! Motivates me to try new stuff seeing the amazing stuff you can do!

  • @frankthetank8552
    @frankthetank85522 жыл бұрын

    That air in the intro is so cool. Ps you are a great teacher, you break down biomechanical principles in an engaging way and you can perform the complex and analyse the basics. Love your work 👍

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    2 жыл бұрын

    Happy to help Frank!

  • @jacksonsarjent9597
    @jacksonsarjent95973 жыл бұрын

    Murray “I’m not gonna do anything crazy “ Switch tantrum and a rally 😂😂😂😂 This guy awesome and he’s help me out so much for improving

  • @5446moto
    @5446moto3 жыл бұрын

    Shaun is such an amazing instructor. Makes things easy to understand, and then shows great examples.

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Moto!

  • @robsoden8426
    @robsoden84263 жыл бұрын

    Man I love watching you ride that board, you make it look effertless.The energy you project in your videos is so inspirational. Keep up the great work!

  • @darkwires
    @darkwires3 жыл бұрын

    I love everything you have done for wakeboarding. true legend. thank you for all the cool shht you have done over the years

  • @knapb89
    @knapb893 жыл бұрын

    Great video, man. I love the history box. I really appreciated the backstory on the why behind fins!

  • @AlexGarcia-lo9hx
    @AlexGarcia-lo9hx3 жыл бұрын

    Shawn, your videos are always so helpful! Thank you! Peace ✌!

  • @juliabysshe
    @juliabysshe Жыл бұрын

    LOVE your videos, Shaun. Also love that these are "just a few basics, nothing crazy" !!

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching Julia!

  • @ryanshimabukuro3283
    @ryanshimabukuro32833 жыл бұрын

    Love this video! If I remember correctly, Chase Heavener rode his Gambler finless in FLF's "MayDay" in 1998 & Randall Harris was the first to ride an actual "finless" Thruster board in FLF's "My House" in 1999. My older brother told me a long time ago that if you watch Randall Harris ride, he always lands on edge to allow the board to track properly. And Josh Smith (another Hall of Famer) was quoted recently, "Fins are for fish, we edge into the wake! Your board is the only fin you need. And a board without fins, will be a mentor, if you listen." I rode a "finless" board for 5 years from 2006-2010 (the OBrien Vice). It only had molded-in fins, no bolted on fins. And the first few times I rode it, I would slip out when edging into the wake. It quickly taught me to use the edge of the board properly. And from then on, I loved that board. When I started riding the OBrien Format from 2011-2020, it only had bolted-on fins so I had to use really small ones (0.5's) because anything larger really felt too big. Now, I'm riding the OBrien Valhalla and just using the molded-in fins again, no center bolted-on fins. Feels good to have the equipment force you to use proper edging technique.

  • @TheKeeganc
    @TheKeeganc3 жыл бұрын

    That camera work was just as magical as watching you ride!

  • @desertstoner450
    @desertstoner4503 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for that detailed explanation. And came at the perfect time as well. I just had a discussion with one of my buddies and he told me to remove the fins but really couldn’t tell me why. I did it to try but besides just being loose wasn’t sure what the advantage was.

  • @morganrogers95
    @morganrogers953 жыл бұрын

    Sweet. Very educational. Makes a lot of sense. Great video homie!

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 жыл бұрын

    Morgan Rogers- Wassup homie! Thanks, glad you liked it! ✌️

  • @jasonjacobs1899
    @jasonjacobs18992 жыл бұрын

    Thanks dude. I'll be practicing this until I get it.

  • @renejgkeyzer-andreiii7954
    @renejgkeyzer-andreiii7954 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this video Shaun, as it breaks down the why/how and then put it into actual use....these videos have been awesome to accelerate my learning of wakeboarding skills and technique.

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    Жыл бұрын

    Great to hear Renejg ✌️

  • @the_pope_clan2408
    @the_pope_clan24083 жыл бұрын

    It’s been so long sense I’ll seen the clear purple fins, and rainbows! That’s a throw back!!

  • @mikecapp315
    @mikecapp31510 ай бұрын

    Hey @shaun.murray your videos really helped me out this season!!! I have an actual bag of tricks now because of your videos!!! thanks dawg!

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    10 ай бұрын

    Love to hear it Mike 👊🏼

  • @ryannelson9523
    @ryannelson95233 жыл бұрын

    Great video keep up the good work

  • @paulgoulet4599
    @paulgoulet45993 жыл бұрын

    awesome video man! I have to keep practicing switch, I ride goofy and when I try to switch I always get the run away board can never seam to get control of it. One of these days I'll get it hopefully. Love watching your videos.

  • @jkcurti
    @jkcurti3 жыл бұрын

    I purchased a HyperLite board because of you. Lovely board. My son and I have enjoyed many hours on the lake with that one. Thanks for continuing to touch on those 3 Fundamentals as well as all of the History, Tips (Gasoline Fast Fill, Can you Ride it!, etc.)! Peace!!!

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the great feedback JK and thanks for not only following the fun along but getting out there for some good times yourself!

  • @karigreyd2808
    @karigreyd28083 жыл бұрын

    I learned to wakeboard this weekend and without fins was way more fun. Wiped out more tho 😂😂. Most fun ive ever had.

  • @CharlestonWake1
    @CharlestonWake13 жыл бұрын

    Awesome!

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sup bro!

  • @Ask_the_neighbor
    @Ask_the_neighbor3 жыл бұрын

    I've been riding the Murray pro and the rxt roxin for the last 2 seasons and I preferred the Murray with no fins over the roxin . Love to butter 🧈😋.. Love the affect of the Murray pro ... NO fins !

  • @shanemarshall2590
    @shanemarshall25903 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I'd love to hear more about the history of wakeboarding and the equipment

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good insight and request. Will keep that in mind Shane.

  • @Rotimer
    @Rotimer3 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always! Primarily a slalom skier, but after your video on the HO Hovercraft I've been finding more ways to get out there and have fun. The slalom flip was awesome, how about a Raley on a single? :) Love the content!

  • @Fiftytwouts
    @Fiftytwouts3 жыл бұрын

    Mother Nature finally let me get out and try my new Murray 150. It’s perfect.

  • @justinkirk2116
    @justinkirk21162 жыл бұрын

    What kind of sunglasses are you wearing? Love your content…the GOAT.

  • @rumtum99
    @rumtum993 жыл бұрын

    It’s so much more fun to watch finless riding.

  • @robbrowne3229
    @robbrowne3229 Жыл бұрын

    I was reluctant to ride until watching your videos. Now I can’t wait. (73 yr young) I love my 2000 pro air nautique.

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    Жыл бұрын

    Love to hear this Rob!

  • @billystyle27
    @billystyle273 жыл бұрын

    The right amount of Finn is, of course, Tony.

  • @stefanpries638
    @stefanpries6383 жыл бұрын

    Do a board comparison boat vs cable boards. So much has changed over the last 15 years. The sizes alone are much different today.

  • @BoardThroughThePain
    @BoardThroughThePain3 жыл бұрын

    My old board has permanent fins lol. I took the middle ones off after my 1st few runs. My ex girlfriends old board had aluminum fins haha. Soon as her pops seen my plastic ones, he made her switch.

  • @jsatherusa
    @jsatherusa3 жыл бұрын

    I've lost my mojo Shaun, I don't know what happened, slow fingers. BUT, tomorrow is the first day with my boat on the water this year! Yes, short season here in MN. :(

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 жыл бұрын

    Jerr! Wassup homie! Gettin' the boat in the water this weekend, right on! ✌️

  • @needmoreprivacy4947
    @needmoreprivacy49473 жыл бұрын

    I have those same fins in my boat's glovebox :)

  • @TheMattzki
    @TheMattzki2 жыл бұрын

    That trick at the end was fkin epic

  • @kylekrout2484
    @kylekrout24843 жыл бұрын

    I have never been on a wakeboard with fins. I learned last year and have never used them. I feel it’s easy without

  • @ianmaxwell7525
    @ianmaxwell7525 Жыл бұрын

    I’ve always wondered why it’s so easy to do a butter slide on a surf board, I think this explains it at about 8:20

  • @jremedy7053
    @jremedy7053 Жыл бұрын

    Man I feel old! I still ride an O'Brien Evil twin with that old fin and a hyperlite with a little newer fin, both circa 2000 🤣

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    Жыл бұрын

    I remember that board for sure. Didn't ride it but remember some of my buddies on tour riding it.

  • @spencerfr1
    @spencerfr13 жыл бұрын

    Can you talk a bit about fin placement? Corner fins vs center... a lot of boards have corners built into the frame but removable center fins

  • @mikeshipway5990
    @mikeshipway59903 жыл бұрын

    No lat ones I had were point 8 I wings off my murray pro model I carved down my wake skate fins last

  • @chinstrap5233
    @chinstrap52333 жыл бұрын

  • @bengarrison5256
    @bengarrison52563 жыл бұрын

    On a bigger wake this summer. What is a good way to slow down inverts. Like the speed in which you rotate upside down and back

  • @mikeshipway5990
    @mikeshipway59903 жыл бұрын

    Ive had every single one of them fins and I chopped down some .8 I wings last!!!!

  • @nickwyatt720
    @nickwyatt7203 жыл бұрын

    Nobody: Shaun: “this will all be basic stuff” Proceeds to throw a massive raley to the flats into a tumble turn and then bel air😂

  • @jamesdeininger3759

    @jamesdeininger3759

    3 жыл бұрын

    Air R2R. Bel-Air is an air tantrum

  • @DrewSchaeffer
    @DrewSchaeffer2 жыл бұрын

    Awesome vid. Btw What song is that?

  • @CHFProductions724
    @CHFProductions7243 жыл бұрын

    I just tried to clear the wake yesterday actually and ate it pretty bad, I probably should go find mine 😂 I also have that same rainbow fin on my Neptune Impala, is that anything like the Murray? Edit, I also have that see-through purple one you held up when you said “This is probably closer to some of the first fins.”

  • @austindickman3205
    @austindickman32053 жыл бұрын

    Hey Shaun. I know it isnt what this video is about but I have a question. I am 5'8 and about 150 lbs. I got your hyperlite model last year and first ride I was in love. However I got a 144. I am intermediate on a smaller wake and want to get into doing some good airs. Do you think I oversized?

  • @GiordoDagnino
    @GiordoDagnino3 ай бұрын

    what do you guys do with the screw holes left when you remove the fins ?

  • @koglioknows
    @koglioknows2 жыл бұрын

    Nice straight forward video. Question? Went wakeboarding for the very first time yesterday, with over 20 years snowboard experience was able to get up and ride about 5 minutes first try. HOWEVER, Purchased a board not knowing it didn't have fins, without having time to order some I rode anyhow , was doing great tracking and controlling my direction but would slip out everytime I tried to transition my stance 180. SO Should I get some fins for my board, or keep practicing without fins until I get the hang of it?

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    2 жыл бұрын

    If there are fin holes, I'd say get some. No bigger than 1" each.

  • @lukehamman3390
    @lukehamman33903 жыл бұрын

    I have an older wakeboard and it didn’t come with fins and I am having trouble finding fins because I need ones that use one screw but most I am finding use two screws

  • @methanesprings4085
    @methanesprings40853 жыл бұрын

    I had a couple of rainbow fins lol.... maybe 1997 or so.

  • @wesleyvos3479
    @wesleyvos34792 жыл бұрын

    Hi, thanks for the great video! I have a two inch fin in the center of my board (pretty old). Would you suggest cutting the same fin in half? I would prefer to have less resistance on the water, with a bit more control than riding without any fins.

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wes, good question. The fin won't cause a massive amount of drag compared to some other things like rocker, edge design, channels etc... so cutting it down won't speed it up a ton but some. I'd cut it down just to get a little more forgiveness out of it. Probably to about 1".

  • @hephaestus6220
    @hephaestus6220 Жыл бұрын

    Great video. One question I had was about center fins vs. corner fins. I currently ride a 137cm board and my son (11) rides a 125cm. Both boards have molded corner "fins" built into the board and also came with removable 1" center fins. We are both beginner-intermediate riders. I've removed the center fins on both boards. It seems like it works fine and forced us to use the edge of the board to cut but wanted to check if there was any advice about using or not using center fins.

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    Жыл бұрын

    Riding with just the molded in fins can be a good thing so good call on that. Just have to make sure you're using good technique 👊🏼

  • @franciscocravero3737
    @franciscocravero3737 Жыл бұрын

    Great video! Quick question: when you take the fins out, do you put the bolts back to cover the holes or something? Would leaving the bolt holes empty impact the riding at all?

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    Жыл бұрын

    Leave em empty. Doesn't change the ride much but might have a little water shoot through them once in a while but not much to note. ✌

  • @franciscocravero3737

    @franciscocravero3737

    Жыл бұрын

    You rock! Thanks

  • @dannymimms6489
    @dannymimms64892 жыл бұрын

    So i've ridden cable without fins for about 5 years now and did some behind a ski boat. We just got wake boat however and I was wondering if I should finally switch to fins, i hated riding fins behind the ski boat always felt so restricting but everyone I've asked has said I should use fins behind a boat was wondering if thought i really should use them or if id be good without them.

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    2 жыл бұрын

    Personal preference. If you can pull it off, go for it! It's honestly harder to do without fins but is super fun to butter around.

  • @DaveTW65
    @DaveTW653 жыл бұрын

    I put on some weight over the past year and found out the fins had to go so I could spin,I probly need a bigger board but I’ve enjoyed bragging about being finless

  • @ryanbakota5835
    @ryanbakota58353 жыл бұрын

    Shaun:The fins are to catch u from doing something wrong proceeds to intro where he is skiing with guitars😂

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 жыл бұрын

    🤣

  • @debmartin7740
    @debmartin77403 жыл бұрын

    My son took the fins off the board because he said they made the board more responsive. He thought it would be easier for his old mom to ride. I have been riding for several years with no fins. This video makes it seem like I should put the fins on and I might do better. I am a beginner beginner at 65 years young. Should I put the fins back on my board?

  • @pureprotein9597

    @pureprotein9597

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah probably, without fins, you slip around a lot more and are more prone to not recovering from any mistakes, and falling. You will have good edge discipline from riding finless.

  • @leecambsuk2871
    @leecambsuk28712 жыл бұрын

    Have just moved from a double up 7 142 to a slingshot windsor 149 and as I ride cable the majority of the time I was wondering how to improve my edging technique as fins are out for cable park use even though they're just 0.75".

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lee, thanks for checking this out! Have you watched this one yet? Let me know if this helps make sense of things. kzread.info/dash/bejne/l4d-ssutfLC4iZs.html

  • @leecambsuk2871

    @leecambsuk2871

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Shaun.Murray Thanks Shaun, looked at the other video then watched some video of my own session and will adopt a better posture for turns and especially corners as I appear to be squatting somewhat with hips behind me. Leaves me a bit unbalanced on corners on system 2 cable.

  • @donniedarko3777
    @donniedarko37776 ай бұрын

    Went wakeboarding recently and my mate had taken the fins off of the board. There’s definitely a big difference and I found it a lot harder to keep my balance and stay on the board.

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    5 ай бұрын

    Fins help keep your board in the trough that it's creating rather than push out the side and start sliding.

  • @keilansnider1805
    @keilansnider18053 жыл бұрын

    Probably a dumb question, but do you take the fins off before hitting obstacles at the cable park?

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 жыл бұрын

    Great question, yes almost all riders will remove their fins for the cable park. -✌️

  • @cooperc240
    @cooperc2402 жыл бұрын

    is there a big difference between a board with 1 fin per side, and 2 fins per side? what would you suggest for a beginner? and how big of a fin for beginner?

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    2 жыл бұрын

    We've gone to 2 outside fins bc you can go with shorter in height fins so they release when you'd like them to but can track when you want them to as well. Fins used to be pretty tall in height but short in length. We've made them longer in length so you can still get a lot of surface area which allows tracking but if/when you release them, they aren't in the way as much to catch while spinning the board around on the surface.

  • @cooperc240

    @cooperc240

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Shaun.Murray thank you!

  • @theoffspring14
    @theoffspring143 жыл бұрын

    Center fins on the LiquidForce Trip, when would you recommend removing them?

  • @wyssrealestate2175

    @wyssrealestate2175

    3 жыл бұрын

    Once you have the basics and can control the board get rid of them especially once you start trying 180's and spins. Makes the board more forgiving when landing off a touch.

  • @wyssrealestate2175

    @wyssrealestate2175

    3 жыл бұрын

    If I remember correctly my trip had a pretty big center fin is that what fin your talking about taking out?

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good input by Wyss below. Really up to you. Try without and see how it feels. If you do this, slow down your transitions going from one edge to the other. Maybe size your center fin down and see how that feels.

  • @wyssrealestate2175

    @wyssrealestate2175

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Shaun.Murray That just made my entire life haha love the videos man!

  • @phoenixstone8797
    @phoenixstone87973 жыл бұрын

    Does anyone know what speed he wakeboards at? and his weight??

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 жыл бұрын

    Usually around 22.8 mph. 75' rope. About 148lbs 5'6"

  • @grantjones4544
    @grantjones45442 жыл бұрын

    No fin gang!

  • @NectarHeadz
    @NectarHeadz3 жыл бұрын

    no fins butter them biscuits

  • @tuanvutran3169
    @tuanvutran31693 жыл бұрын

    Con ở VIETNAM rất mê wakeboard môn thể thao này nhưng không có điều kiện chơi và học hỏi chú.kỹ thuật rất hay và đẹp.chúc chú sức khỏe.

  • @ltownandfriends4531
    @ltownandfriends4531 Жыл бұрын

    hes actually better without fins

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    Жыл бұрын

    🤙

  • @bigHfwi
    @bigHfwi3 жыл бұрын

    Hi I am about to go surf

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hutton Stringfellow- First comment win! 🏁💪🏁

  • @kennyholmgren4455

    @kennyholmgren4455

    3 жыл бұрын

    Noice Hutton

  • @hondarevable
    @hondarevable3 жыл бұрын

    Now do surf board fins on a wakeboard lol

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 жыл бұрын

    SledNV- That's a new idea, maybe I'll give it a try! Runs on rails, tracks like a freight train 🚂! ✌️

  • @hondarevable

    @hondarevable

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Shaun.Murray I would be scared to ride it.

  • @jesseneudorf1311
    @jesseneudorf13112 жыл бұрын

    I don't ride fins on boat

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    2 жыл бұрын

    Right on! 🤙

  • @snowy_halo197
    @snowy_halo1973 жыл бұрын

    He looks like pulse from rainbow 6

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'll take it!

  • @ericrankin6559
    @ericrankin65593 жыл бұрын

    First

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 жыл бұрын

    Soooo close! ✌️

  • @ericrankin6559

    @ericrankin6559

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Shaun.Murray thought I had it lol. I was just down in Florida and got to ride a park board behind a pontoon. It was fun to slide around! And the pontoon wasn’t quite fast enough for barefooting!!! 🦶🏼🦶🏼

  • @GiordoDagnino
    @GiordoDagnino3 ай бұрын

    what do you guys do with the screw holes left when you remove the fins ?

  • @Shaun.Murray

    @Shaun.Murray

    3 ай бұрын

    Nothing. But water shoots up through em sometimes. Doesn't bother the rider too much because it's behind em.