How to replace floor pans in your classic car

Тәжірибелік нұсқаулар және стиль

replacing a rusty floor pan with a aftermarket floor pan in a early 70s nova

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  • @t.s.haynie4197
    @t.s.haynie41974 жыл бұрын

    The overlaying of the replacement pan into the remaining floorboard, tacking it flush then cutting through it to get rid of the excess flap on the underside of the floor is brilliant. I know there are those who would either not know to cut it off or simply leave it since it was out of sight. Welding up the remaining cut and grinding it smooth completely hides the repair. Thank you for showing us how a pro would do the job. Well done.

  • @laveenramharak5944

    @laveenramharak5944

    Жыл бұрын

    How do I restore my driver and passanger floor on a golf one cause my floor is literally falling of and my control arm for my golf 1 fits on the floor

  • @rafaelallenblock

    @rafaelallenblock

    Жыл бұрын

    Fitzee's classic "cut-n-butt" method. It's changed my life.

  • @mikemarshall7016

    @mikemarshall7016

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, impressive!

  • @paulnoorbergen3514
    @paulnoorbergen35143 жыл бұрын

    This is like an apprenticeship in metal fabrication, thanks so much!

  • @Kracker215
    @Kracker215 Жыл бұрын

    Never get tired of watching someone else replace a floor pan, learn something different every time.

  • @krysesclear3870
    @krysesclear38704 жыл бұрын

    Finally an alternative to how everyone else seems to angle grind their floor pan cuts perfectly then weld without any issues. This is very well explained and very do-able. Thanks.

  • @nobodyspecial6436
    @nobodyspecial64364 жыл бұрын

    You keep putting out tutorials like this and your gonna put yourself outta business.... very well articulated and easily understood.... you do make it look a whole lot simpler than it is.... i guess that’s called “experience “.... well done sir!!! Keep up the good work

  • @JamesDoylesGarage

    @JamesDoylesGarage

    4 жыл бұрын

    I think when people share, it shows how confident and fearless they are in their own abilities to do great work. And most people would love to have a great restored car but don't have the hand skills or time, so they see Fitzee and know that's the guy for them :)

  • @husk1c

    @husk1c

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JamesDoylesGarage its mostlly about time

  • @Thedar561

    @Thedar561

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@husk1c I can assure you there’s thousands of people that have the time, it’s the skill they will never have

  • @bagusprihastomo7439

    @bagusprihastomo7439

    2 жыл бұрын

    Actually not everyone could do what he did there, like dude, he shape every corner of the panel by hand and efficiently did that! If someone try to replicate his work there, that person should have the same efficiency and not everyone could do that just by watching tons of tutorial 😂

  • @ProleDaddy

    @ProleDaddy

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's one one countless sad things about the system and how it motivates some people to not help educate the world for the betterment of mankind as a whole.

  • @johnnorth9355
    @johnnorth93554 жыл бұрын

    Who needs hi-tech tools when you've got skills like Fitzee's ?

  • @ToriL97
    @ToriL972 жыл бұрын

    I've been basically binge watching your videos lately. They're so informative and they're giving me the motivation I need to fix my car. It such a scary thing to start cutting rusty metal off because theres no going back but slowly I am fixing up the body, in part thanks to you.

  • @adimart2214

    @adimart2214

    7 ай бұрын

    did you ever fix it

  • @ToriL97

    @ToriL97

    7 ай бұрын

    @@adimart2214it's still in progress

  • @boatnut64
    @boatnut642 жыл бұрын

    I watched a video, of another guy, doing the same kind of job... I don't like to criticize others, but I'm really glad I found your channel. The work he was doing, was atrocious in comparison, leaving a couple of inches of overlaps, and tack welding to clearly rust-weakened junk... I would hazzard to guess, that his pans will be falling out, within a year or so... The mentality of "Slap it together. Hide it, and sell it to some unsuspecting poor fool"... Shameful... Thanks for showing us all "The Right Way" to do it... Keep Up The Awesome Work... 💪💪💪

  • @rgc1961
    @rgc19613 жыл бұрын

    I found your videos yesterday Fitzee and I've watched three already. With my new headphones on, l feel like I'm right in the shop with you! Thanks for the incredible lessons while only using 'regular' tools. Your videos are INCREDIBLY inspirational!

  • @larrychastain9824
    @larrychastain98243 жыл бұрын

    His simple common sense ways of doing things is just excellent & motivational to me. Even though I am new to car body fabrication & welding....he makes it so easy to get stuff done. You can go out & spend tons of money on tools & equipment....but Fitzee makes using simple tools to do his work just smart. He needs to come up with his own video tape series.....it'll blow Eastwood out the water. Thanks Fitzee!

  • @Verticalpedalgarage
    @Verticalpedalgarage4 жыл бұрын

    Dude! The work you do is amazing, and you make it look so easy. Very impressive bud!!!!

  • @karlx-1
    @karlx-14 жыл бұрын

    I need to watch your videos every day, because just when I thought I lived long enough to know all the tricks... I learn some really great ones here! Thanks for sharing!

  • @brentbryner3922
    @brentbryner39223 жыл бұрын

    I love your videos! You make everything look so easy. Also you make the other KZread sheet metal replacement guys look like hacks. Thanks for providing great videos and sharing your expertise!

  • @MrJaespun
    @MrJaespun4 жыл бұрын

    You’re videos are the best, I truly appreciate your time on making these. I need to change floor pans on my 62 impala & you always motivate me when I watch your videos. Thank you

  • @70Superbird
    @70Superbird3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Fitzee for all the detailed information in this procedure. I'm getting ready to do some trunk floor repairs and your video really helped me with my plan. Keep up the awesome work and videos. We enjoy them and look forward to them.

  • @ronwalsh
    @ronwalsh2 жыл бұрын

    Years ago I "welded" in some floor pans on my MGB, and they look terrible. Now, years later I see how they were supposed to be done. At least they are still in good shape and I have lots of metal left along the edges. Now I can weld them in properly thanks to your video. Thanks so much for putting these out for us.

  • @jorgefernandez-mv8hu
    @jorgefernandez-mv8hu4 жыл бұрын

    That is a job to be proud of. That replacement floor pan was really nice. Thanks for the thorough explanations and showing us how to weld it right.👍👍👍

  • @MikeVieira
    @MikeVieira4 жыл бұрын

    Great video again! Thank you for taking the time to show us this! I'm currently working on my 61 Falcon. Putting in through the floor subframe connectors then doing the floor pans out of sheet metal!

  • @dekebell3307
    @dekebell33074 жыл бұрын

    I learn something from EVERY video you make. Thank you sir!

  • @bradleyjohnson452
    @bradleyjohnson4523 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant, I have learned a ton in the past two days watching your videos. Thank you.

  • @1noryb
    @1noryb4 жыл бұрын

    glad to see the plug welds, rather than screws! Gives me great ideas about a floor pan sitting in my garage.

  • @dirkg7062
    @dirkg70623 жыл бұрын

    Very precise and professional. You are by far, the best I've ever seen. Great job!

  • @michaelstout7080
    @michaelstout70804 жыл бұрын

    I'm restoring my 65 Mercury maurader and these videos are a god send for me. I've been using the tips I am learning here and the results are fantastic. Keep them coming!

  • @G_Rapids

    @G_Rapids

    3 жыл бұрын

    if you need parts let me know, just purchased a murauder for it's engine, that's going in my galaxie

  • @Kendallian132
    @Kendallian1322 жыл бұрын

    This is inspiring me as I have the 5 pieces from Kramer for the floor on my '62 Polara 500 but am intimidated by it having never really welded sheet metal. Watching you stitch weld with the mig is an education. Thank you for these terrific posts.

  • @gtsteve9481
    @gtsteve94814 жыл бұрын

    Once again an awseome video Fitzee. Clear, no nonsense, get in there & do it and even though I've done a bit of this stuff - every time I watch one I pick up something. Your filming is also outstanding - we forget about the changing positions, angles, etc. Your video work rivals your metal work! Cheers from Melbourne, Australia.

  • @chrisnizer1885
    @chrisnizer18853 жыл бұрын

    Thanks mate! I really prefer watching someone like yourself rather than one of the shows that use high dollar, state of the art, EXPENSIVE equipment that MOST folks don't have in their garage...and most likely never will. All we need are some basic metal working tools, a little self confidence, and we can make repairs like this ourselves. Thanks again my friend, good stuff! 👍 👍

  • @frednepa9690
    @frednepa96902 жыл бұрын

    Fitzgerald you are amazing! Using basic tools, used sheet metal and common practical sense you are a true craftsman that I would like my grandsons meet.

  • @markhores6562
    @markhores65623 жыл бұрын

    I really enjoy your videos. I needed them 25 years ago with my 78 Trans Am. I had all the sheetmetal but didn't have the skill. I am doing a square body pickup now that needs almost as much sheetmetal work as the TA needed. I do it to learn more and take pride in doing it. Thank you for your videos and keep them coming.

  • @michaelharrison500
    @michaelharrison5004 жыл бұрын

    This is the one I’ve been looking forward to I need to redo the floor pan in my old British Morris You’ve made it very simple for me to feel confident in getting it done Cheers from Australia

  • @John-4649
    @John-46492 жыл бұрын

    This is great motivation to start working on my 70 LeMans Sport! Thanks for the pointers sir! You are truly talented. Not many have the ability to simplify metal fabrication and tend to over think it!

  • @jimwhalen6769
    @jimwhalen67693 жыл бұрын

    Fitzee, thanks for showing us your tips and tricks! I have a 78 Camaro that I am going to work on this summer! I needs driver’s quarter panel replaced! Now I have the confidence to tackle it! Great job on the floor pan!

  • @patrickmoore1017
    @patrickmoore10172 жыл бұрын

    Best floor pan replacement video I've seen so far on KZread. Fantastic job!

  • @ryanphotostudio
    @ryanphotostudio2 жыл бұрын

    I’m just about to do this on my HJ45 and this is a great help Fitzee. Love your work mate and thank you very much for sharing your knowledge and helping to keep thousands of old classics on the road mate. Cheers

  • @leperejoe1536
    @leperejoe15363 жыл бұрын

    This is far the best channel on this subject for very well explaining.

  • @jamitreadwell6189
    @jamitreadwell61899 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the step by step educational video 🙏. I felt so overwhelmed at the thought of doing this myself, but you kept it simple.

  • @1p2a3d4d5y
    @1p2a3d4d5y4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for showing how it's done and explaining why you do it this way or that way for best results. The best how to for body work that I've found! Much appreciated. I slipped with the angle grinder and cut the back off my short wheel base Nissan patrol, soon to be a single cab ute. The wagon was rusty, following your videos I think I'll get it done. Cheers

  • @MrCrankyface
    @MrCrankyface4 жыл бұрын

    You're a godsend Fitzee, I'll be sure to put all your tips to good use when trying to restore my old volvo!

  • @callmenortnortin467
    @callmenortnortin4674 жыл бұрын

    Did this same job some years back. Wish I had seen this video before then!. Appreciate your lesson in making it a lot easier then I found it to be , LOL ..Thank you

  • @MrLawandorderman
    @MrLawandorderman3 жыл бұрын

    You are a freaking artist, by far the best video I’ve seen, I’m trying my first job and now I know how a pro does it. Thank you!

  • @antmel7243
    @antmel72433 жыл бұрын

    Best video by far on welding floor pans thank you.

  • @kennethheflin7051
    @kennethheflin70514 жыл бұрын

    I enjoyed watching your videos. You make things simple to understand. I've learned more from watching your videos than any other videos that I have watched. I would love to see your techniques to install a quarter panel. I'm sure everyone could learn a lot from watching.

  • @billnlori3149
    @billnlori31494 жыл бұрын

    Nice work Fitzee!! Cool to find aftermarket sheet metal that fits that well. Great video, awesome tips!!

  • @jasonhergert7573
    @jasonhergert75733 жыл бұрын

    I used to restore cars as a hobby when I was younger, I am looking to fine tune my welding and panel fitting skills. Your videos are very well done and very well explained. My last car had a lot of rust and I replaced many spots with replacement panels. Some of the rust still came back, now I am planning to redo my car and your videos are great for filling in some blanks. Thanks for sharing your fount of knowledge :).

  • @garethmcgregor1621
    @garethmcgregor16214 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Fitzee. Great work and tutorial as usual👍, looking forward to whatever you do next.

  • @TimmyMoza
    @TimmyMoza4 жыл бұрын

    As it turns out I have to do both side floor pans on my 66 MG Midget and your timing couldnt have been better... thanks!!! Great tutorial!!

  • @rickwilson466
    @rickwilson4664 жыл бұрын

    Dang it Bud, you got me addicted! I ain't getting nothing done! Soon as it starts raining, I'm watching Fitzee Fabrication vids! Lol

  • @thomasbunch8476

    @thomasbunch8476

    4 жыл бұрын

    I don't wait for the rain. I just ignore my work and watch Fitzee make magic.

  • @jbh.6257

    @jbh.6257

    3 жыл бұрын

    Instead of me actually going out in the garage and working on my project car, I just watch Fitzee ... Much more satisfying results and another way to delay mine! 🤓. 🤦‍♂️

  • @mightymikethebear

    @mightymikethebear

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jbh.6257 Use the information while it is fresh in your mind.

  • @siliquaesid703

    @siliquaesid703

    3 жыл бұрын

    I live in Wales, it rains a lot. Not getting much done but BOY am I learning how to when it stops.

  • @gtogreg2811
    @gtogreg28114 жыл бұрын

    Makin it look easy. Nice job! Gives me confidence that I can do it.

  • @tomworrick6384
    @tomworrick63843 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! One of the best videos Ive seen on this subject.

  • @jameslarson6555
    @jameslarson65554 жыл бұрын

    Learn something new in every one of your videos, thanks much!

  • @chuckeecheese162
    @chuckeecheese1624 жыл бұрын

    This is the best floorboard replacement vid I’ve seen and I’ve watched a ton of them. Thank you

  • @shanerudberg6364

    @shanerudberg6364

    3 жыл бұрын

    Did you watch Chrisfixs one I thought his was pretty good to

  • @chuckeecheese162

    @chuckeecheese162

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@shanerudberg6364 yes I have. This cut and butt vid is the best I’ve seen.

  • @mikestanavage2444
    @mikestanavage24442 жыл бұрын

    True Craftsman. Learning the right way to restore my sheet metal. Thanks Fitzee

  • @PurpleHelmet
    @PurpleHelmet4 жыл бұрын

    Love watching you work, learning tonnes from you - thankyou

  • @scottj9022
    @scottj90224 жыл бұрын

    I have learned soo much from you. I'm getting ready to start a project on a 73 mustang that is going to involve quite a lot of sheet metal work. I'm a mechanic but no body man and frankly I'm a little nervous about it. I feel much more confident after watching your butt welding techniques. I'm ready to buy a welder and start practicing. Please keep these videos coming with as much detail as possible and plenty more examples of how to butt weld. You are awesome, and yes, I can understand every word you say!!! :)

  • @tommycofield7434
    @tommycofield74342 жыл бұрын

    I've watched most of you videos and you are a beast. You are definitely good at your craft.

  • @paulpollack9262
    @paulpollack92624 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful work as usual. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

  • @talltom1129
    @talltom112910 ай бұрын

    Just about to attempt this on a 75 nova I recently purchased. Ive subscribed to your channel a while back, because your videos are worth watching. I'm too old to start buying new tooling to do the work required on this car,but I do have a lot of what I've seen you use. So I'll use the knowledge you so graciously supply and fix up a classic little daily driver in my driveway

  • @markhazelett9506
    @markhazelett95063 жыл бұрын

    My family trade is autobody,I was young and didn't learn it.I believe watching these videos will help me do it.Thank you.

  • @bigarg
    @bigarg3 жыл бұрын

    Well, that’s some great inspiration for future projects! I hope someday soon to graduate from fixing shellac and wood to fixing metal. Great instructional!

  • @JimmyMakingitwork
    @JimmyMakingitwork2 жыл бұрын

    Very nice work as always! Fitzee the Metal Master!

  • @rayhall4578
    @rayhall4578 Жыл бұрын

    this method you use is fantastic, im sure you'll be aware that many will not go to such extent to repair panels, thats their loss, i'll be doing this every time i do a panel, thanks

  • @michaelvandenhoy1021
    @michaelvandenhoy10212 жыл бұрын

    great educational video,very impressive and you make it look so simple for us average joes. thank you.

  • @robertselman716
    @robertselman7163 жыл бұрын

    Realy enjoy watching your work

  • @martinrodgers6114
    @martinrodgers61144 жыл бұрын

    About to put a floorpan into my BMW 2002. This helped a lot! Thanks Fitzee!

  • @mikebills9343
    @mikebills93434 жыл бұрын

    Great job Fitz , many thanks ! from Spain .

  • @boatman19607
    @boatman19607 Жыл бұрын

    Wow you definitely have a lot of patience and seam (pun intended) to really enjoy the process. Amazing!

  • @funk7875
    @funk78754 жыл бұрын

    I do this kind of work too. It's nice to see someone else doing it the way it should be done. I hate seeing panels lapped. I'm working on a 1969 Camaro RS SS that someone else has ruined. It takes a lot of patience doing this kind of work. I feel your pain brother.

  • @feralfabrications2465
    @feralfabrications24653 жыл бұрын

    I'm using his technique on a front lower valance on my Ford Capri. Worked a treat, off to the shed to fully weld it up now

  • @markblackburn8685
    @markblackburn86852 жыл бұрын

    Fritzze makes it look easy and I still find myself scratching my head wondering what I should do next. Lol Love this channel

  • @zeasman55
    @zeasman552 жыл бұрын

    Getting ready to do the floor pans in my 1970 Mustang such a helpful video

  • @boatnut64
    @boatnut642 жыл бұрын

    I will be doing that same job on my 72 Nova... Thanks for "The Tips"... They were "Good"... 👍👍👍

  • @theoldmanmkf2129
    @theoldmanmkf21293 жыл бұрын

    THANK YOU YOU have by far the VERY BEST videos really liked how you explain everything as you go . you have great audio. i'm replacing half floor pans on the wifes 72 mustang, you showed me several things i had been wondering about. you know when ya wake up at 2am and have to go look at something or take a measurement . then when ya come back in from the garage wife says have you been out there looking at the car AGAIN ? THANKS again you do GREAT WORK , GREAT TEACHER Liked the video of putting the gas door in the pick up bed.

  • @tedboch7753
    @tedboch77533 жыл бұрын

    Great job Fitzie, and great video. Thanks much!

  • @copperaudio9664
    @copperaudio96647 ай бұрын

    Really like your process. It's brilliant. I've always wondered how the pro's do it.

  • @guillermonieri4203
    @guillermonieri42033 жыл бұрын

    Excellent work. Thank you very much for sharing. I am learning a whole lot.

  • @125sm3
    @125sm34 жыл бұрын

    Great video and an insight into how to do floor pans.

  • @edpdx
    @edpdx3 жыл бұрын

    Many thanks. The clear step-by-step is inspiring.

  • @rphalstaf
    @rphalstaf3 жыл бұрын

    Great video I got to replace the floors in my 67 nova along with the front support/, seat brace got me little more confident in doing it

  • @patrickmontgomery6353
    @patrickmontgomery63533 жыл бұрын

    I've always said those who are good, do. Those who are great, teach. Those who can't, criticize. This is something that I have to do to my hotrod, and now I'm confident enough to try it. Thank you Fitzee.

  • @gerrybaker1422
    @gerrybaker14224 жыл бұрын

    Nice work and great instruction and explanation.

  • @OldJoe212
    @OldJoe2124 жыл бұрын

    "Like opening up a can of sardines." You and I might be the only two who remember opening up a can with the key. Glad to see at least you wear hearing protection. As with all of your videos, good stuff and thanks for sharing your knowledge.

  • @lcar9871

    @lcar9871

    4 жыл бұрын

    lol count me for three! Don't lose that key!!

  • @marchallaert7372
    @marchallaert73722 жыл бұрын

    Very nice. I have a driver side floor pan to put in a 1968 nova this spring. Thank you!

  • @GibClark
    @GibClark4 жыл бұрын

    👍👍👍👍Wish KZread was around when I was a kid and had to learn hard way.... still picking up tips from ya

  • @DannyWalker1949
    @DannyWalker19492 жыл бұрын

    Heck Fitzee, You taught this 0l man alot of things too. I've been restoring 0l' Model "A's" since back in the late sixties now. and still, building certain projects I like. I am building right now on a 1973 c-60 2-ton truck which is in really good shape for the age. just some minor repairs are needed. BUT, you have shown me several GOOD SHORT CUTs in your videos. I'm trying to watch ALL of the Body Panels Building 0nes to see IF You can Teach this 0l' Man a Trick or Two. You HAVE. And, My HAT is OFF to YOU, SIR

  • @tommygunn1901
    @tommygunn19014 жыл бұрын

    Enjoy watching your work 👌🏻😊

  • @jim47rise12
    @jim47rise123 жыл бұрын

    Im dropping a 1940 dodge fargo onto a 1998 dakota extra cab 4x4 chassic going to use your videos to help me on my way it will end up being a 1940 fargo extra cab long term project great tips once agian total love the way you take your time to explain things better to do it right and look good

  • @jameshuffman835
    @jameshuffman8354 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Fitzee! You are an excellent teacher! I figure that total time spent is close to 6-8 hours? Love the final results!!!

  • @keiththecarguy1967
    @keiththecarguy19674 жыл бұрын

    I wish I had seen this video 20 years ago..... I hate doin floors... got a camaro in the barn I may have to give it another shot..... Thank you so much. Indiana USA

  • @MrCapiroto66
    @MrCapiroto664 жыл бұрын

    Another great video, my friend! Thank you!

  • @moggie100th
    @moggie100th4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks again for sharing - I am understanding the process a lot better!

  • @UCanDoIt2Mike
    @UCanDoIt2Mike2 жыл бұрын

    A lot of great information !!!! Thanks for sharing. Mike

  • @algerc.5492
    @algerc.54924 жыл бұрын

    Great vid Fitzee, great editing. I envy all the lads getting your excellent guidance I grew up with Hot Rod Magazine how -to's with pictures and sketchy details leaving out 80% of the subtle details.

  • @fitzeesfabrications

    @fitzeesfabrications

    4 жыл бұрын

    Me too. If we had the internet back then just image how smart we be now. Lol

  • @Lou1ouze
    @Lou1ouze4 жыл бұрын

    I did my first body repair two days ago using your tricks. I think it saved me a lot of time and gave me confidence. Thanks a lot of sharing, very useful for non-pro as myself. I like your keep it simple way. Cheers from france.

  • @fitzeesfabrications

    @fitzeesfabrications

    4 жыл бұрын

    Glad i could of helped. Thanks

  • @australianoz

    @australianoz

    4 жыл бұрын

    What car Lou1ouze? I'm restorting a 1969 Mustang fastback (en France aussi), total Florida rust bucket...but cheap.

  • @Lou1ouze

    @Lou1ouze

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@australianoz Renault Express 1.2 ahah, behold Mustang ! Other than that I have work to do on my trusty Peugeot J9. Good luck with your project, I wish you a good bargain.

  • @XXX-qk2cq
    @XXX-qk2cq3 жыл бұрын

    Another great job Tony! thanks , Thumbs Up as usual!!!

  • @billleigh615
    @billleigh6152 жыл бұрын

    Great reading all the comments on this one, such a massive range of vehicles people have that you've inspired to crack on with. Mines a 1988 2cv with Bluetooth floors!

  • @errolpoxleitner7901
    @errolpoxleitner79012 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Fitzz from Idaho great work.

  • @jarmstrong2843
    @jarmstrong28434 жыл бұрын

    Boy, this brings back memories of restoring B & E body MOPARS in my younger years. They had great drive lines, but were rust buckets; particularly around the windows. Once they got the brown body cancer, it spread like wildfire and difficult to stop regardless of how many patch panels installed.

  • @Alanlanger1959
    @Alanlanger1959 Жыл бұрын

    very well explained many thanks for all your videos all very informative best regards and look forward to more from you

  • @Supanova70
    @Supanova704 ай бұрын

    You sir you are the man!!! Thank you this is my weekend project with your tips i know i will be successful.

  • @cjt554
    @cjt5543 жыл бұрын

    Great video! I can't wait to try this out on my old Austin Healey.

  • @madbrax5184
    @madbrax51844 жыл бұрын

    You are my Hero.... Thank you so much for this!

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