so happy that jill was given a chance to talk about veo as part of this build and how fluent and knowledgeable she was - awesome debut as a contributor jill! we need more of jill and joe on the channel please!

@CJ-ur3fx

Жыл бұрын

20:06 for the Jill section.

@rantdmc

Жыл бұрын

@@CJ-ur3fx thanks for the timestamp!

@Jessthree

Жыл бұрын

It’s called dungeon dudes, not dungeon dudettes! /s incase that wasn’t clear lol

@Iron936

11 ай бұрын

There's nothing stopping Jill from making her own channel.

@rantdmc

11 ай бұрын

@dc5409 absolutely not, but since she's associated with Monty and Kelly she may wish to continue contributing to theirs, and I hope she does! And Joe also

It was really neat to see Jill guest-star. Was a shame we didn’t get to hear from Joe on his Warlock build.

@chrisdenholm1164

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Even though she isn't a "Dude", she is an integral part of the team. Love Joe too. They are all great!!

@custommizerOG

Жыл бұрын

That’s another episode

VIDEO SERIES IDEA: Series Title -- "Make it Work" Premise -- Trying to make any multi-class work. Have two wheels that list all the Classes. Spin both, whatever they land on, try to make a character that uses that multi-class. Then grade your build. At the end of each episode spin both wheels again, the two that was landed on will be the next video. What do you'll think?

@chuffer595

Жыл бұрын

Monk Paladin, go!

@thomad4

Жыл бұрын

@@chuffer595 thats what I'm talkin' about!! 😂. Just weird crazy builds...maybe something there 🤷‍♂️

@anonymouszebra1239

Жыл бұрын

How would you decide how many levels to take in each? Many good multiclass options are one level dips, so you’d probably want to make a rule saying a minimum number of levels in each class.

@BJNemeth

Жыл бұрын

Ooooh, I really like this idea! They could focus on role play as well as mechanics, to offer potential theories as to how this specific combination came to be.

@bye1551

Жыл бұрын

@@anonymouszebra1239 I'd say at least a third of your levels in any one class. So for a level 15 character at least 5 levels in one class

I really liked Jill’s guest appearance here! I knew she was a great player, but explainer videos are a different skill set, and she’s a natural! If you ever think about expanding beyond only Kelly & Monty handling the DD videos, I hope she’s at the top of your list.

@danzai

Жыл бұрын

dungeon dudette?

I’m surprised you didn’t mention Bugbear as a race for this build. Extra 2d6 damage per attack on the first round, plus proficiency in stealth is a nasty combo.

@gi6son747

Жыл бұрын

I feel like my character would die really fast if I did something like this the DM would not be going with it

@beneteus3833

Жыл бұрын

If your DM goes out of his way to kill your character, he should just not allow the character. Or you need a new DM. Houseruling sharpshooter and greatweapon master is another option (like on every attack you can add 1/2 proficiency modifier)

@gustaafargoan

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn't work for me. I don't see a big bug bear being stealthy at all. I only allow the races that were available in AD&D.

@Forbeplay

Жыл бұрын

@@gustaafargoan Good for you my friend. Except that Bugbears are known for being stealthy, hence the “ambush” trait in their stat block.

@Forbeplay

Жыл бұрын

@@beneteus3833 I agree on this. You’re not using absurd homebrew, just normal features in the sourcebooks. I will say (especially if you choose Bugbear) the power of this character dwindles after the first round. Still very potent, but you’re not nuking every round post-first round.

Something that wasn't mentioned here, but was talked about in the Gloomstalker Ranger video they did was how Dread Ambush gives a bonus to initiative checks equal to the Wisdom Modifier. That means getting the Alert Feat is worth looking into. Using some of the ability scores they chose for this build, that would be a +3 from Dex and I think a +2 from Wisdom, so adding Alert's +5 means any initiative check made with a Variant Human at level 3 is at a staggering +10. Getting Rogue levels and adding Sneak Attack from an Assassin Rogue means even if you don't have surprise, you're very likely acting first and thus anyone who hasn't acted yet by the assassin rules means advantage on the first attack no matter what. Still, any kind of non-assassin Rogue with the Gloomstalker Ranger can still be deadly in the first round. If the first two attacks don't get sneak attack, cast Zepher Strike on the Dread Ambush attack and immediately take the advantage from the spell, ending it on that turn. If it hits and possibly crits (and if Elven Accuracy applies for an elf or half-elf,) that'd be double dice damage not just on the attack and Sneak Attack, but on the +1d8 damage from Dread Ambush, but also to the +1d8 force damage from Zephyr Strike. This technique might make a non-assassin build just as deadly.

@snazzyfeathers

Жыл бұрын

Alert is always worth it if you're going assassin. Even without surprise. You hit someone with advantage on the first round and use something else (zephyr strike, steady aim, etc) for advantage on the second attack. It's really good. It's also worth mentioning (although it doesn't really fit the "commando" flavor) that Twilight cleric can give you advantage on initiative checks with a one level dip.

@jugglejunk

Жыл бұрын

Regarding the initiative bonus, that's 1 reason why I like the new bugbear here.

@greghamilton9505

Жыл бұрын

I do most this without being assassin of having alert. Gloom stalker /scout Elven accuracy and yes I use bonus action zephyr strike to get advantage on my dread ambusher With elven accuracy I get enough crits with assassin

@billstubbles2398

Жыл бұрын

I was just thinking this and wondering if anyone had already mentioned Alert as a Feat option, especially for an Assassin.

@vincentkeith5259

5 ай бұрын

@@jugglejunk not to mention the built in sneek attack on anyone who hasn't taken a turn. Which gives you sneek attack starting at level 1. It also makes for some very difficult decisions - Alert is a huge advantage to the Bugbear in particular as it gives you a target rich environment. You really need sharpshooter, and you desperately need the dex. I'd be very tempted to get Alert first - but from a to-hit perspective, even if you don't use the -5+10, it solves a number of disadvantage problems, and AC only goes up as you level up making it harder to use that -5+10 feature.

Agreeing with Jill, I like the versatility of being an Arcane Trickster. And I love the disguise Charisma variant you suggested as well

The Gloomstalker is one of my favorite subclasses because they can go so well with so many different options. Right now I’m playing a Gloomstalker/Twilight Domain Cleric multiclass in a Ravenloft campaign flavored as a monster slayer and it’s amazing how much the damage combined with the versatility gives me. This build you guys made is next up.

@snazzyfeathers

Жыл бұрын

Ayy same here. Although its a homebrewed campaign and we're playing till level 20. 11 levels into Gloomstalker and the rest into Twilight. Great synergy and great spells, and the flavor of it is fantastic as well

@ducksinthewild

Жыл бұрын

All I can think of reading that is the gloomstalker's feature that gives darkvision if you don't already have it, but adds 30 ft more of you do, added to the 300 ft dark vision of the twilight cleric. 330 ft darkvision.

@YoungTroy23

Жыл бұрын

@@ducksinthewild and with sharpshooter while perched on a rooftop you can snipe them about 300ft before they even know you’re there. I’m playing this character like a FPS with stealth kill mechanics lol. There’s pretty much nothing I can’t kill cause I got a weapon for every occasion due to the cleric levels. Spirit Guardians and spiritual weapon for when they get close, moonbeam for lycans, turn undead for hordes, etc etc. not to mention you can fly in dim light lol.

@snazzyfeathers

Жыл бұрын

@@ducksinthewild 330 feet of darkvision is definitely unnecessary in most campaigns, but if you're playing with a willing group with a lot of empty space...

@HunterTracks

Жыл бұрын

Gloomstalker/Twilight Domain multiclass definitely sounds like a DM's worst nightmare come to life, lol.

It's nice to see this kind of combo get some love. My favorite character is an Arcane Trickster dual wielder that is working on those 5 levels of Ranger.

Watching Jill play Veo in your campaign got me into DnD and the Gloomstalker specifically. Great, great episode and much appreciated!

I ran this build in one of my very first campaigns and to this day it still is the most fun I've had as a player. Umbral Sight, Dread Ambusher, and sharpshooter turns you into high powered sniper rifle. But in addition to that, spells like pass without trace and/or disguise self coupled with expertise make you insanely hard to sus out during infiltration scenarios. One of my favorite moments with this character was impersonating an NPC who wronged us previously, making an absolute fool of myself in their appearance, lying out my backside, then GTFO, and dropping disguise self. This got us what we needed information wise and let us have the vengeance we all wanted and without firing a single shot. Also, as Kelly said, sharpshooter and eleven accuracy is just delicious. My druid party member and I used to snuff out the lights whenever possible, followed by a couple well placed entangles and "fish for crits."

I suggest you go to at least level 7, actually 8, in Gloomstalker since you'll pick up Wis save proficiency and then you can grab Resilient Con to have the big 3 saves (Con, Dex, and Wis). The benefit of going for only 7 in Gloomstalker gives you one extra dice in sneak attack, but that's giving up an easy feat/asi.

I went on a 3-day D&D vacation where I role played the world's greatest archer using a Gloomstalker Assassin Battlemaster. Whenever I landed a crit it was a special type of euphoria

I’d like to throw some ideas in the mix: You may want to take 1 more level in Ranger to gain 5 more feet of movement and a climbing speed to get a better vantage point. Phantom Rogue might also be a good pick. You become a decent skill monkey and Wails of the Grave would be decent additional damage. Also, while it is high level, it’s 13th level feature of a flying speed and being able to literally hide in walls and floors to attack really adds a creepiness factor.

@PleasantSkulman

Жыл бұрын

You could also take another level in Ranger if you're a Gloomstalker to get proficiency in Wisdom saves, depends if you end making a lot of saves in your campaign.

@vanillaminaduki6055

8 ай бұрын

That is literally the character i've created some time ago. Gloomstalker with throwing weapons fighting style for flavour+future multiclass into phantom rogue. Can't wait to play her.

Dhampir (VRGtR) is AMAZING for this build as well. Climb speed, vampiric bite, no need to sleep, eat or drink - very, very nice.

Currently playing a Leonin Hunter/Scout, 5/5 right now. Between Hunter's Mark, Zephyr Strike, Colossus Slayer, and Sneak Attack, much damage is being done. Plus with expertise in the primary Ranger and Rogue skills, non-combat is excellent, too. Keep on keepin' on, Dudes!

@Shroosk

8 ай бұрын

At which level did you start taking rogue level ?

@ad9aggie

8 ай бұрын

@@Shroosk Level 6 after extra attack

I just made a Gloomstalker/Assassin a couple weeks ago before watching this video. I always liked the idea of the combo but didn't realize how cool it looks when you throw Thri-kreen into the mix. Super sneaky, excellent AC, and many arms to hold 2 hand crossbows plus one heavy crossbow (or maybe a shield once the 1st round of combat is over). Obviously Crossbow Expert, but I'm kinda surprised you guys didn't mention Piercer. It seems tailor made for Gloomstalker/Assassin specifically. Any hit you score on a surprised target is a crit and now any crit you land gains an additional damage die. It's simple but the damage jumps dramatically with the multiple attacks you get from Gloomstalker. So yeah, even more damage for one of the most damaging builds in the game.

My first ever character ended up as a variation of this. It was tons of fun. I went scout for rogue. It was fun having SO MUCH expertise.

Currently playing a Harengon horizon walker/swashbuckler. A great hit and run tactics build. I'm planning on ranger 16/rogue 4

Goblin is a killer race for this too, dark vision so gloomstalker boosts the range, fury of the small for extra damage, and you still get fey ancestry because of Monsters of the Multiverse

@wassentme1891

Жыл бұрын

Rogues do get Cunning Action, which is a bit of overlap.

@wassentme1891

Жыл бұрын

I am still a bit bitter that Shadarkai are so strong.

@PumaPants248

Жыл бұрын

@@wassentme1891 ok there’s overlap on one thing goblins get but with the build you’re cunning action to dash most of the time and using steady aim the rest of the time

@Dave004

Жыл бұрын

Bugbear gives you an extra 2d6 dmg per each attack first round, so 6d6 first round using gloomstalker, also get darkvision, stealth proficiency, powerful build, long limbed, fey ancestry, and can squeeze into areas for small creatures. pretty great race for these types of builds.

This is one of my favorite videos of yours I've seen in a long time. (And I generally enjoy them all.) I love breaking down a specific, less common multi-class option in depth. This particular build really speaks to me, but I think I'd enjoy the video even if it was a class combination that I'd never play. I also liked the commentary from Jill, and it would be great to sprinkle in additional thoughts from someone who has played a specific build in future videos. Well done all around! 😀👍

I love this. I haven’t played in a couple of years, but I had an AL lvl 18 gloomstalker/assassin/champion that played very similarly. I even had magic initiate feat with find familiar and true strike for some of those “how to get advantage” situations. Love that others have a similar thought process.

I ordered Dungeon's of Drakkenheim earlier this year. I am super inspired by it and wanted to thank you for all your hard work on the setting. I was hoping to run a mini-October campaign with it, but alas, my regular group did not share my enthusiasm. One day... but I've been loving how the book synergizes with Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft, and how easily you could flavor the city as a Domain of Dread. Just wanted to say thank you for all the wonderful work you do to inspire us and make the game a more exciting realm of possibilities!

Should've called this one "Veo Sjena 101" :) So happy to see Jill adding her input as a subject matter expert

I strongly recommend mixing in some Fighter for 2-4 levels. Action Surge has great synergy with Dread Ambusher because if you use it on the opening round of combat, then you get that third attack on both Attack actions for 6 total attacks. I also would give a strong recommend to the Alert feat, especially if you choose Assassin for your rogue subclass, to really double down on winning initiative to get that advantage in the opening round of combat. Most people look straight at the crits on surprise part of Assassin, but the advantage against a target that hasn't had a turn yet in combat is SUPER strong, and will guarantee that you can get a sneak attack opportunity regardless of the lighting situation in that first round. I am playing this at level 13 as a Drow Half-Elf of the Golgari Swarm in a Ravnica setting (lots of underground exploration). My character is Gloomstalker Ranger 5 / Assassin Rogue 4 / Champion Fighter 4. I took Elven Accuracy, Alert, and Sharpshooter feats and am still at only 18 DEX, but that hasn't been a problem yet. I have Archery and Defense fighting styles. I have an 11 initiative bonus and can't be surprised. If I win initiative against my target, I can use Hunter's Mark, Action Surge, and Sharpshooter and have triple advantage on each of 6 attacks for a total around 8d8 + 8d6 + 84 damage (using a longbow) - even more if I have surprise or get any critical hits (which I get on 19 or 20 thanks to Champion). In my experience this character is all about ending a fight or at least turning it into my favor in that first round. Going forward I plan to take rogue up to 8 at a minimum (character 17) if our campaign lasts that long. Even with my heavy focus on the first round of combat, my character does well in the remainder of combat rounds and has tons of great skills for out of combat scenarios too.

@ninjavampyr

Жыл бұрын

I have a similar build with battle master fighter who uses a musket.

@Quote_Cannon

Жыл бұрын

For a L20 one-shot, I played a Samurai 12/Gloomstalker 4/Assassin 4. She had 3 attacks per round, 4 with Dread Ambusher, and combined with Action Surge, Elvish Accuracy, Assassinate and Sharpshooter, she'd could easily hit for 400 damage on the first round. Easily one of the more fun characters I've ever played.

@Dave004

Жыл бұрын

How about Bugbear (assuming +4STR) 5 lvl Echoknight, 2 lvl Barbarian and 3 lvl Gloomstalker. At lvl 10, first round you can do (with advantage thanks to Reckless Attack) 16d6 attack + 2d8 dread ambusher + 32 modifier + 8d6 hunters marks + 16d6 Bugbear trait. Average of 181 dmg first round

@idontknow-mf4bp

Жыл бұрын

@Dave you can't both get the bugbear damage and the hunters mark damage since the bugbear ability can only trigger once per enemy and hunters mark requires a bonus action to switch target.

@Dave004

Жыл бұрын

@@idontknow-mf4bp This is assuming single target dmg. If going after multiple targets you're probably better off to Rage with bonus action instead of hunters mark. Depends on scenario. Also, Bugbear doesn't trigger once per enemy, its once per attack provided the enemy hasn't taken its turn. So every attack can have Bugbear Surprise Attack per the Monster of the Multiverse description.

I think Longstrider is a fair mention for a spell to pick up. I boosts speed for quite a while, and it isn't concentration.

Assassin Rogue rogue is AMAZING to combo with Gloomstalker!!

@jirimaly6019

Жыл бұрын

totaly depends on GM on how much u actualy suprise,,, scout is more reliable and off combat great

@PandaKnightsFightingDragons

Жыл бұрын

In theory yes. In practice if your DM runs surprise RAW you're pretty much never going to get to utilize the combo

@TheRacoonGhost

Жыл бұрын

Only if your DM is new/verry lenient/the rest of your party is all sneakers.

@clitcommander1681

Жыл бұрын

Can confirm

@Katilciker

Жыл бұрын

I have been playing in a campaign as an assassin rogue for over a year and I tbh don't even remember the time I managed to land a surprise attack more than once...

I think Goodberry is also a good choice depending on the rest of your party's healing ability, plus the lack of need to carry food. Also 1 level of Twlight Cleric would give that great distant vision

@StriderZessei

Жыл бұрын

SENZU BEAN!

I think I used this same build (Gloomstalker Ranger 5/Scout Rogue 15) when I was trying to do a build for Hunter from Star Wars: The Bad Batch

Great video, I am starting a new game this afternoon and using this build using the Swiftstride Shifter as the race

One of my favorite characters is a Variant Human turned Hexblood Gloom stalker/ Rogue. We didn’t hit the point where I could take a second subclass, but I was eye-balling Assassin or Phantom.

I had a concept for a Rogue/Ranger bounty hunter, which sounds pretty similar. I was just using the Ranger from PHB though. Colossus Slayer Hunter + Assassin + Sneak Attack + Hunter's Mark adds up quick.

This is my warforged build and theme pretty much exactly. Currently I'm 8 gloom stalker and 3 Assassin rogue. Absolute machine

Personally for Rogue subclasses, I’d also say Soulknife is particularly notable. A few of the suggestions would be given to you with Soulknife. Now one slight issue is that you aren’t getting reliable invisibility until very high levels, though I would personally recommend taking Shadow Touched to shore that part up. You are likely going to have a feat slot freed up as you don’t really need Crossbow Expert, provided you’re willing to wait a few levels (if you’re picking Variant Human or Custom Lineage that is, otherwise you’re actually getting your BA Attack earlier). Aside from that, you effectively have Rary’s Telepathic Bond build into the class, Psy-Bolstered Knack is great for helping you with skill checks, after a while you also get a feature which is usually like the middle ground between Misty Step and Thunder Step, and your attacks land more often. Now granted, I will say that personally, I think this might be second or third to Arcane Trickster or Scout, but Soulknife, I still think it’s a solid pick for both inside and outside of combat

I’m actually aiming to play this kind of character in a campaign I’m in, so thx for the tips & tricks.

Loved to hear from Jill and her take on the build from perspective of someone who played it. Please more of this.

This is so awesome! I'm actually running a Gloom Stalker Ranger - Scout Rogue in my current game. I went with Wood Elf so i could take elven accuracy from Xanathars for that extra attack die on advantage!

Could add fighter to this for action surge. You get the extra attack from DA when you take the attack action, so if you have action surge or haste, it can trigger multiple times per turn, so long as they are separate actions. I think even taking Champion fighter and Elven accuracy and crit fish is amazing.

Fabulous video as always. Having Jill guestcast was awesome!

I’ve been playing a Thief/Samurai (Rogue/Fighter) lately and he’s super fun. I do love my Rangers though… going to have to try this one!

Have an Owlin Rogue(Scout)/Ranger(Swarmkeeper). It is INCREDIBLE. The damage, the skills, the mobility, the spells. It all melds and complements each other so well

More of these videos DD, I love multiclassing and these style videos give me build ideas and characters to run in one shots and campaigns

Bugbear is also an excellent choice for their surprise attack feature.

@Dave004

Жыл бұрын

agreed, and stealth proficiency which means more to choose from with your other options

@woutvanostaden1299

Жыл бұрын

Or try a wildhunt shifter with the athlete feat.

This is by far my favorite build in 5e! I've been playing 5e since it was first published and this is my go-to.

I love the Rogue/Ranger combo! I've been playing a PHB BeastMaster Ranger for over a year and I've recently "gone rogue" with that character. Having a beast companion is a really helpful way to trigger Sneak Attack with ease👌

mine is a Mordenkainen's Bugbear with crossbow expert. 2d6 on all 4 attacks in round one at level 5 if you beat their initiative.

Seeing point buy in these videos makes me so grateful that my DM allows for rolling character stats.

I just wrapped up a campaign playing Gloom Stalker / Arcane Trickster and found myself casting Zephyr Strike *constantly* and Hunter's Mark almost never (except to better track an enemy that was running away). Absolute blast(er) of a character.

@greghamilton9505

Жыл бұрын

My gloom stalker/scout didn’t even take hunters mark… I use zephyr strike every fight

I've played this build to level 11 on a Westmarches server - it's really good. I ended up retraining to be mostly just a ranger with action surge as I felt I wasn't getting as much bang for buck out of my arcane trickster utility stuff and expertise. I'd play this in a heartbeat in a home game as I find that skill checks, elaborate/stupid plans and just general shenanigans tend to come up way more often in that context.

Thank you dudes! Love you guys

Great guide. I'm already picturing a grizzled old halfling going commando on trolls and ogres. Thanks for the video

I have been playing a Gloom Stalker/Arcane Trickster/Eldritch Knight for a while and love it. I think it will be tough to give up that versatility on the next character. One thing that people sometimes forget is that after level 3 the whole wizard spell list is available. Eventually fireball is a great distraction

I’m playing this right now in a home brew game. I’m taking a roughly even split in ranger/rogue though, but I’m really enjoying it. We’re level 7 now, kinda kicking myself for not taking sharpshooter at 4 but the extra +2 to initiatives sounded too juicy to me, especially when roll20 tends to give me middling rolls at best. That said, I stand by this character so much, I love Rolen Liadon.

Great to see Jill in this episode!

Omg that's exactly what I'd like to do with my character atm. So excited to watch this video

I've been playing this build (close enough) for a little over 2 years in a campaign, coincidentally just before I stumbled on your channel. I leveled my ranger to 6 getting Roving (yes, we were allowed a post Tasha release edit) which really gave him mobility. Wood Elf Mask of the Wild + Cunning Action Hide has even beaten Truesight. His damage isn't top in the party now but it's useful for killing smaller enemies very quickly allowing the others to concentrate on and out-action-economy bigger foes. He has obnoxiously long range with a longbow and we've set up light spot plus extreme range ambushes. A repeat enemy that used quite a few resources to counter the Commando's usual tactics, didn't really have anything left to deal with the other tricks the rest of the party had and with Zephyr Strike (no opportunity attacks) + Move + Dash + CA Dash, just left them in the dust. We're at level 10 now, and I took Arcane Trickster and utility has skyrocketed. Steady aim also shores up advantage. Still thinking where to take it after.

Great multiclass and video as always.

Fantastic recommendations as always!!!

Currently playing as a shadar-kai gloom stalker, being able to essentially misty step innately is very nice 👌 Looking forward to when I multiclass

I’m working on a build similar to this but with with 2 levels of fighter for action surge to really focus on that first round burst.

@vraak4509

Жыл бұрын

Check tabletop builds with their three gloomstalker builds, there're the best ones

I play a character in my game that’s Ranger (Gloomstalker) 5, Rogue (Soulknife) 4 and Fighter 2 atm and it is probably my favorite character ever. Zephyr Strike is an underrated spell.

Another feat I would recommend looking at is Eldritch Adept. Depending in your invocation of choice, you can cast Mage Armor, or Levitate, Disguise Self, False Life, etc with no spell slots or material components. If your spell of choice has no Verbal component, you can cast in stealth. Or cast with your hands full if it has no Somatics. Or you can take Eldritch Mind for advantage to concentration checks, which is great for Ranger spells, let alone if you went Arcane Trickster.

I was quite a while into this before I realized it wasn't a Baldurs Gate guide but I can still use quite a bit of it for my build 😅 Thanks

I'm surprised they didn't touch on the Skulker feat - It's a real gem for making you truly at home in shadows. People often forget that darkvision/umbral sight only make darkness into dim light, so you still get disadvantage on perception checks if it's properly dark... unless you're a practiced skulker :D The feat also makes it a lot easier to work around the rest of your party, as you can stay just outside their torchlight and still capitalise on dim light using cunning action to hide while only lightly obscured. I accidentally ended up with this build making a dwarven tunnel fighter - protector of the outlying delves kind of thing. Gloomstalker 8/Scout 7 at last count. Great fun :)

@Evelyn-rb1zj

10 ай бұрын

Yeah the thing is most DMs forget about or ignore the perception disadvantage so it could either be really good or pretty much useless

This is great, I've been sitting on this build since Tasha's came out. And yes, go Arcane Trickster.

I'd love to see all sorts of multi-class builds from y'all. "Soard," "Sorlock," and a Rogue/Fighter build would be pretty sweet.

Great seeing Jill on this video! 🤘😎

I played this build and loved it there is really nice synergy in the arcane tricksters ability to pick up wizzard cantrips , I picked up Message for essentially a 2 way radio which was so helpful when my character was scouting ahead I had a way to relay info back to the party and Control Flames to put out fires and torches to create my own darkness wherever my character went for that sweet gloomstalker invisibility

I like the Phantom rogue subclass for this build. One extra skill or tool proficiency (which can change from day to day depending on your campaign needs); Deal partial sneak attack damage to a 2nd target within 30', which is kinda like getting SA twice per round; and the versatility of the soul tokens at 9th level is pretty sweet.

Monty- really love that sweater man! looks cozy! Solid video as always boys!

Jill! That's a great build breakdown, big fan of it.

I think the Arcane Trickster subclass (which is my favourite rogue subclass generally) is particularly useful in a smaller party where there may not be a lot of other utility. If you're in a party with a decent toolbox already, then a different subclass might be more enjoyable.

This is the character that I'm playing right now, and I have already done 95% of what you said. (4lv ranger 1lv rouge) 2 things I have done differently. It doesn't matter what class I play, If you have the ability to cast cure wounds you take that spell. Might not use it very often but when you need it you better have it. Also I haven't taken any feats yet. I took the ability score improvement to pump my Dex as high as I can get it.

18:23 this is when Piercer feat becomes at it's deadliest specially with a heavy Xbow and elven accuracy...

I really enjoyed this video, because I had considered the possibility of making a Ranger and Multiclassing into a Druid or something... The idea of going with a Rogue wasn't something I had even thought about until I watched this video... I will have to check out the other Ranger Multiclass videos that you've made...

I've really been enjoying playing with the concept of a Swarmkeeper 5/Phantom X build, with the flavor focused on them being a nexus of sorts for ghosts. I really like the utility options from Swarmkeeper (pushing targets, mage hand, web) along with the ability to spread Sneak Attack damage from Phantom. Not sure what second level spell to pick up between Spike Growth and Pass Without Trace, as being able to push enemies back into the spikes sounds really sweet. Definitely not even half as nova as Gloomstalker/Assassin, but still seems like it could be a blast for both combat and roleplay.

I seem to recall how taken aback Monty was by Veo's damage output in the early sessions of Drakkenheim C1. It took him a few encounters to start adjusting for her. To his credit, he never did it in a way which invalidated Jill's build - he just stopped putting important glass cannons in the open and expecting them to survive the first round. E.g., when the Queen's Men tried to assassinate them (y'know, the fake body filled with explosives), they knew just enough about Veo to counter her. Most of the fight, she didn't even have a target that wasn't invisible.

I'm surprised you guys didn't give Silence a mention, that's a spell I always take if I can.

doing a Tiefling Ranger, Gloom Stalker, build in a campaign and have had a hard time choosing between Multiclassing between Rogue and Fighter. This is such a cool build and can't wait to try it out, but maybe more my way. As my character is more someone that is up and close fighting a lot, I'm going to multiclass him into Fighter, so he can take some more punishment and maybe do some other things too

This was the plan for my ranger in Lost Mines of Phandelver (second time playing with a new group). It's a shame I never got the point where I could multi class though. I looked through the Ranger subclasses, and immediately fell in love with the gloom stalker with no external research, and plan on going in the Assassin Rogue, I have enough utility already and we have a wizard, so I don't need Arcane Trickster, and the scout feels a little weaker alongside the gloom stalker unless you are going for a super skill monkey build. All my opinion of course :)

I've run a variation of this. I started 1st level in rogue into scout to get more skills. 6 levels in ranger gives access to roving which not only increases speed, but practically removes the need for athletic checks. I went Hunter instead of gloom stalker. I was less interested in 1st round novas, but the d8 Colossus Slayer helped mitigate the slowed sneak Attack progression. Instead of Sharpshooter (I know, blasphemy), I focused on two weapon fighting and picked up ritual caster (wizard). I get a ton additional tools that I don't have to spend spell slots on AND a familiar allows my to almost always have an ally next to my opponent.

I've always thought that the Gloomstalker Assassin build would be a great damage dealer, and I think the alert feat would double down on that dread ambusher assassinate combo because you get +5 to your initiative, or even mobile if you want to be moving around.

If you want to expand on that exploding damage in turn one, bugbear is also an expledid option. I was playing one of those and at lvl 2 i've soloed a dire aligator due to that damage buff at the first turn

I'm playing a similar build currently in a game. I started out Ranger (Hunter) to 5 and then switched to Rogue (Soul Knife). The versatility Soul Knife gives you to boost your skill checks is huge along with making it to where you're never able to be disarmed. The telepathic web portion of it is great for coordinating as a forward scout. If I had it to do over again, I'd likely pick a different ranger sub-class, but Hunter made more sense from an RP standpoint for him. For feats, I have Alert, Fey Touched (Misty Step and Gift of Alacrity), Observant, Dual Wielder (variant human and has the Two Weapon fighting style), and Sharpshooter. He's fast become one of my favorite PCs to play.

My Wood Elf Gloomstalker/Scout was absolutely amazing. I didn't bother with sharpshooter until 8th level, because I picked up Elven Accuracy at 4th level. I didn't wanna overshadow the rest of the party so much, and I prefer ensuring hits over the damage boost. Once I was rolling super advantage, the -3 to attacks barely made a difference, so I was always hitting, and always dealing a butt ton of damage.

It was great to see Jill talking about her character rather than hearing her views second-hand. This build can be flavored as anything from the veteran military ambusher to the Ninja scout/Assassin.

I agree with everything you guys suggested other then the level split between Ranger and Rogue. Personally I think the level 6 feature of Deft Explorer and Favored Foe is worth the extra level. Getting a permanent 5ft speed increase as well and a swim and climb speed is more useful then an extra 1d6 of sneak attack. Also favored foe goes from 1d4 to 1d6.

I really enjoyed hearing Jill's thoughts here!

I built a version of this character for Ravenloft in Adventure League. At the time Gloomstalker was not available so I went with a Gnome Hunter Subclass, I took alot of knowledge skills such as Arcana. When I went Rogue Subclass I went Mastermind as I was able to grant Advantage to an ally every turn which when paired with another Rogue or Barbarian I was able to expand the damage dealt. Skillwise I took a nit of healing and the spells that augmented attacks into AoEs.

Did a Fairy Gloomstalker Assassin, taking crossbow expert and sharpshooter. Great fun build that did loads of damage.

In one of our campaings I actually started out as a Gloomstalker Ranger and after level 5 dipped into Rogue and realised myself how strong this combination is. What I also recommend is the relativly newly added Harengon race since you get 3 really good features. You get proficieny in perception, which is always nice, a bonus action to jump out of range of enemies in you meelee range without provoking oppurtunity attacks and something that wasn't really mentioned in this video a bonus to initiative. This means you're initiative will be 10 + DEX + PROF + WIS + the alert feat if you took it. A level 8 Harengon Gloomstalker Ranger Assassin Rogue with your ability scores will have a +13 to initiative, which usually guarentees you being the first person to act. Combined with a surprise round of combat, you'll attack 3 times with advantage who might all crit and then immediately begin to act again and attack 2 additional times. All of this combined will probably lead to you being exiled from the table and all local DnD games but it will be worth it.

I'm currently playing a phantom rogue / swarmkeeper archer. Phantom adds some additional target damage which you can round out with your extra attacks and swarmkeeper some good tactical options and spells

As a newbie player this year, this build was actually my first character I ever built and I have fallen in love with it so much. I just wanted to be a bird man stealth archer so I picked Aarakocra ranger and eventually picked up a level of rogue just for sneak attack and skill expertise. I didn't realize when I first started building it just how incredibly powerful Ru would become. I did more research and quickly realized that after 5th level ranger, I was gonna go full rogue the rest of the way. It just makes so much sense, honestly. Such a great build and I'm glad to find this video to confirm it for me and help me ensure I build it optimally!

The gloom stalker/assassin combo is also amazing on a bugbear. Surprise attack+ sneak attack + gloom stalker extra damage + favoured foe + sharp shooter = ridiculous

I play a Wood Elf going Rogue(Scount) 11/ Monk(Shadow) 6/ Ranger(Gloom) 3. Getting Elven Accuracy is REALLY Good for this build. Awesome to see Jill here ^^

Playing around with a Gloomstalker/Scout build at the moment somewhat based off Shay Cormac from AC Rogue (though divided between Scout and Arcane Trickster). It’s surprisingly simple to set up, but I also went with Poisoner to dip my weapons and crossbow bolts in poison to provide a debuff in battle. He’s even good in open combat with a rapier and shield (reskinned as the rapier’s sheathe reinforced with metal plates as a parrying tool). He’s even a sailor, so it opens the door for sea adventures! Skilled is good if you get Reliable Talent, so there’s skill monkey potential with all the expertise you get. This build has a surprisingly insane level of versatility, even without Arcane Trickster.

New character found. Thanks guys!

This is so rad. When I met you guys at pax, we talked for awhile about this exact build at the meet and greet. Y'all are amazing. keep up the great work. Btw. A 2 level dip into fighter for Action Surge on this build is disgusting at high levels. Try it out if you ever get the chance

Thank you, Jill, for the intriguing thoughts on Arcane Trickster. I would never have considered it but I am now (Mage Hand Legerdemain is _awesome_ ). Is there a link to any other KZread videos you may have on D&D character development? What do you all think of going with Swashbuckler to gain a bonus to Initiative as well as help the Commando deal effectively with melee for those times when a situation takes away the Commando's ranged attacks (like in a dungeon-like environment)?

I've thought alot about this kind of build. It's so simple, you just take your first 5 levels in ranger, and then you take the rest of your levels in Rogue. No wierd, unintuitive level splits or having to be super strategic about when you take levels in one class or another.