How to Mix Kicks and 808s PERFECTLY (advanced tutorial...not for beginners)
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@bigmaeotnd10 ай бұрын
Bro i learned a lot. Thanks. You definitely need to do more of these.
@allahjosephАй бұрын
This video sent me down a sound design and audio engineering rabbit hole I didn't know I needed. Some things, luckily, I was doing out of common sense and taste, but now I understand the science behind these decisions. Like... I subscribed to fabfilter today, got that TSR, found a clipper in wavs & watched a ton of tutorials over n over, then some sound design stuff, & now im watching this video for at least the 7th time now and it finally allll makes sense. PQ3 locked in!!!! VVS Good stuff bruh!!!
@effortless4588
8 күн бұрын
Nice bro I wanna get to that point anything you recommend to start out with to make it easy to catch up?
@allahjoseph
8 күн бұрын
@@effortless4588 so, look up fabfilter’s official videos on the ProQ n ProQ3, then sage audio vids on it, then watch this guy sseb’s video on EQ, then watch this guy sikky beats video on sound design- and then come back to this video. if it didnt make sense before, it will deff make sense now. Pretty sure homie has some vids on sound design too so check those out if u wanna dive deeper. N if it doesnt, watch them over and over again until you have the info down pat. i watched this video multiple times, almost after every other video to further understand anything about phasing etc.. Dont think too hard tho. May be intimidating, but Its pretty simple. Ur probably doin a lot of this stuff already! Have fun n good luck. To GOOD MUSIC 🥂, pun intended in the best way possible
@allahjoseph
7 күн бұрын
@@effortless4588 ok. Fabfilter’s official videos on ProQ and ProQ3. Then Sage Audio, sseb, & streaky also have great videos. Sound design, Busy has bideos and this guy sikky beats. If you dont feel comfortable now, you def will after these videos. I watched this speciric vid like 10 times. Good luck n 🥂 to makin GOOD MUSIC- pun intended.
@prodbykalipiano25 күн бұрын
Bro saving producer’s life
@mattshalash10 ай бұрын
Please do a part 2, very useful tricks indeed. Sidechaining in my mixes always feels like I have to sacrifice either the kick or 808, and it becomes very hard when the 808 changes pitch and the kick doesn't. I always find myself with at least one note in the 808 pattern sounding off with a kick, to the point where I'll usually just remove the kick and have 808 only for those notes. Now I usually just "sidechain" some frequencies where I see the most clashing (Neutron EQ shows this well), but the results are still not ideal.
@prodsyren
10 ай бұрын
I started to use kickstart 2 for this where you can select which frequency range you want to sidechain which is so much better than just ducking the full volume of the 808
@otnath
5 ай бұрын
@@prodsyrenjust put a fruity peak controller on your kick, then put a Parametric eq 2 on your 808, and then right click one of the frequency faders, and link to controller, when the window pops up with a text pop down menu, select inverted, then click accept.
@otnath
5 ай бұрын
@@prodsyrensurely it’s a lot better to have the exact shape of the waveform controlling the volume rather than an automated timing
@tim4s
3 ай бұрын
Use kick 2 vst from Nick Homero with side chain funcion. You gonna fix.this.
@prodbyaviel
10 күн бұрын
what helps me with that problem is using the same kick, but reversing the polarity of the kick that plays at the exact time the higher pitched 808 plays. + sidechain with kickstart In most cases the phase aligns better with that. try it out ;)
@melchiorvandijk613810 ай бұрын
Great tutorial! You can zoom in more in playlist by increasing timebase number (options -> project general settings)
@prodbyamezzz10 ай бұрын
No need to overthink it get a Spinz a wheezy kick, turn the velocity up, put them in mono and soft clipper on the master…simple
@user-kq5ym4ib3e5 ай бұрын
Haven’t seen a video from the goat in years 🐐
@EpilepsyGod20 сағат бұрын
Guys, don't forget to pitch your kick, maybe this is sound crazy, but when you will start do it, you will hear what pitch position of your kick are glueing with 808 best way, and i recommend try it with warping and without, because first one not touch phase and last one does. Then, when you think that you found this best pitch position, go to start time, in ableton we have it on the right side of our screen, so try to put your 808 little bit on right side, sometimes you will don't need it, sometimes you need just 2-4 ms, sometimes 8, but not more than 12 i think. This all about phase too. When you will hear glueing between kick and 808 (best knock and punch) this mean that you found best phase position. And then, guys, just do this MIKE DEAN trick, make kick and 808 sound seamlessly on low freq, just make 808 volume like you need for good sound on lows, then turn kick volume down, you can do this with kick punch sound or even without, choice is yours. And when you finally did it, you will need a punch, so just grab any eq, make bell very wide curve around 1000hz (wide - q=0.35) and just boost it around 3-6 db, sometimes kicks are enough boosted on this mid freq, sometimes not. After all this you will have beautiful results, just practice, try another kick, another 808 and practice, practice. You will achieve so good low end and still great punch from kick on mids, I hope this will help.
@mr-cute848410 ай бұрын
Definitely we want part 2 it would be a huge help to us 🤗 btw really thanks for this video
@strategikbeats321210 ай бұрын
First off thanks my brother for all your hard work and tutorials, can you please do another video on this for Ableton?
@allahjosephАй бұрын
Bro a scientist fr
@diegolisperguer38916 ай бұрын
busy works making it easy 💣💥
@colbywheeler695810 ай бұрын
Watching beat tutorial videos in the Car is lowkey a hack
@busyworksbeats
10 ай бұрын
Interesting 😎
@colbywheeler6958
10 ай бұрын
@@busyworksbeats Love your videos, Keep up everything!😎
@B.Saiju207
2 ай бұрын
Doing this rn lmao
@indyawichofficial13463 ай бұрын
Some knowledge & great gems spilled here instead the urban myths !!! Thank you !!!
@kauciontheboss10 ай бұрын
Honestly i had this problem i spent weeks figuring it out. N i found that i wasnt using the Right. It has to be JUST right as far as waveform at least for me. And eq the low end alot of ppl eq the kick in the bass put 808 in bass range n kick to nigh to mid . Works for me dont hog the frequency space
@user-fk7dg9qs4b4 ай бұрын
Up mi gee given thanks mi general
@theunconciousmind73142 ай бұрын
Honestly i feel like 99% of people struggle to get their kicks right in the first place.. All this phase alignment is important if kick and base play tougether but i really believe the biggest issue for most people is that they dont get a nice kick or they use samples, so they dont understand the kick, which is of corse very crucial to have a good base...
@klaytonvonkluge49058 ай бұрын
I will definitely grab up that course you have, (moneys tight ATM) sometime in the inevitable future; I thought, in all my infinite wisdom & intellectualism (lol) id be more knowledgeable on this stuff, at this junction in my musical journey, but this is truly an art, but even moreso, a SCIENCE , and my ego isnt as such that i can't admit i need some schooling.. Thanks for a cool vidoe BWB
@stijndidden29013 ай бұрын
This helped so much! Thanks!
@bluesucceed10 ай бұрын
Part 2 please
@briankruesi64845 ай бұрын
This is a really great tutorial
@prod.wall233 ай бұрын
Do more ADVANCED tutorials PLEASE BRO!!
@stevechase22323 ай бұрын
Good stuff! Subbed!
@ProdBySeus10 ай бұрын
Appreciate you my guy been watchin u for years💯💯💯💯💯can you do a video with the spinz 808 on how to make it hit like lil baby beats next?
@mikeball4665
10 ай бұрын
Soft clipper on the master and turn the 808 uppppppp
@ProdBySeus
10 ай бұрын
Snm i might jus be over thinkin dah shii frfr and lets collab@@mikeball4665
@DAW.G10 ай бұрын
Thank you! I definitely learned something, I wanted to see how you used compression, I been using fruity balance instead and I never paid attention to the wave forms like you showed. I’ll start doin that
@felixklein768310 ай бұрын
2nd part plsss
@SuperHonkyPodcast5 ай бұрын
My issue is not knowing which ones are going to boom like crazy in the car, and which ones end up surprising me by sounding dead in the car. There's this 808 I use often and even though in my flat response Sony MDRV06 headphones it sounds tamed, sounds normal, isn't booming too crazy or nothing, as soon as I go play the song out in my car the 808 is hitting so god damn hard that it literally seems like my game plan was to overly boom out the mix due to the low end! And then there's other 808's that sound like they are hitting way too heavy in my headphones, but will surprisingly sound good in the car. I can mix everything pretty solid except for the low end! The low end be playing games with my head!
@user-xz8ng4yl1h4 ай бұрын
1000th like ! Great informative video
@iamcgbeats10 ай бұрын
Kick loudest in the mix then 808 and everything else underneath with soft clipper on the master and let it ripppppppppp
@RXKDon8 ай бұрын
great video
@StraightUpProductionOfficial10 ай бұрын
Gone head hit em with part 2 Game!
@WessNyleProduction4 ай бұрын
great video.
@pg022610 ай бұрын
How do you deal with mixing 808 note changes? I find that my 808 and kick no longer go together once the 808 goes into different notes
@shanedsouza189
6 ай бұрын
I think the same logic would apply, find the point where the waves are interfering/masking each other and clip at that spot. Though probably the simplest solution is to use some kind of envelope to make sure the kick doesn't overstay its punch with the 808.
@binladen529910 ай бұрын
Yes part 2
@joeygproducedit786310 ай бұрын
some beats or 808s dont need a kick, and if you insist. sidechain
@nesobre10 ай бұрын
make part 2 yes
@armorsniper819410 ай бұрын
Dope.
@kleinjein399110 ай бұрын
How to mix zaytoven 808 with kikck please ☹️
@thePresident-sp5pw3 ай бұрын
thnks bro much love, but im asking if its true when i rout the kick in the mixer to the 808 bus i feel like it creats a side chain and i can control how hard the kick to the 808 with that knob under .
@jm.Beats.10 ай бұрын
Why not just sidechain and use the Comp section of FL Limiter to duck the 808 whenever the kick hits? It allows you to customize the duck (release time, volume, etc) considering some people require stock plugins and takes a fraction of the time. The reddit question asked how to fix kick and 808 clashing and you went on a rant about phase. I understood what you were showing, but keep it simple.
@felixklein7683
10 ай бұрын
you turn the whole 808 down in volume and not just the low frequencies if you do this.
@busyworksbeats
10 ай бұрын
I think sidechaining is misunderstood. Yes, it can solve two clashing sounds but I don’t believe that’s always the solution. I believe sounds should blend, in this video, I show how to blend.
@yungsilas_
10 ай бұрын
@@busyworksbeats so how would one translate a blending sound to vocals onna beat cause dats my main thing I’m working on rn
@cosmoblvck-h43
28 күн бұрын
@@yungsilas_ notice how he starts the video off eq the bass to leave room for the kick? Same technique supplies w vocals vs the whole beat find where the vocals sit in the frequency spectrum and make room for them in the beat
@parkeranthony71325 ай бұрын
i feel like bro is the opposite of flighreacts
@SuperHonkyPodcast5 ай бұрын
I need to just buy some 808's that are already mixed to perfection. Paying top dollar! And they must all be set for middle C!
@350zgr33n22 күн бұрын
Masking occurs when the sounds are out of phase. Has nothing to do with loudness
@slackstarfish81334 ай бұрын
If you use a clipper on your drum bus, is it bad to also push your mix into a clipper on the master? Cuz I find when I clip my drum bus I can get it sounding good on its own. But the second I use a compressor and clipper on the master it’s like it loses all of its punch, and I don’t push it into a clipper hard at all.
@SKPTMIX10 ай бұрын
how to eq orchestral drums pls
@jhosepelipeelpeluka1913 ай бұрын
Im beginner only, I as understand it Kick should be stronger than 808? because kick is positive and 808 is negative? Am i right?
@aidenkauffman908210 ай бұрын
pt 2
@GenX_US_Marine3 ай бұрын
I don't do any of that. That's to complicated. I use wave lab, and what I do is I take a kick and I'll highlight some of the kick part at the end and then I'll take the 808 and blend it that way. When you right click in wave lab there's an option for pasting whatever you copied, that's what I do, I paste. If you go up to editor in wave lab there's an option for mix paste, this I don't do. It doesn't sound right to me. My kick and 808's mixed sound find to me.
@cosmoblvck-h43
28 күн бұрын
Why watch the video if you didn't need the info? To comment this? He said it's a sound design tutorial lmao not everyone has or wants wave lab
@ehvmixedit10 ай бұрын
BWB has no place giving advanced tutorials.
@Ringerofthelie
8 ай бұрын
Lol
@rolandohamilton16828 ай бұрын
does a kick and bass is the same procedure?
@_cxnnxr_10 ай бұрын
ngl only in this video bro sounds like Khan Academy man
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Bro i learned a lot. Thanks. You definitely need to do more of these.
This video sent me down a sound design and audio engineering rabbit hole I didn't know I needed. Some things, luckily, I was doing out of common sense and taste, but now I understand the science behind these decisions. Like... I subscribed to fabfilter today, got that TSR, found a clipper in wavs & watched a ton of tutorials over n over, then some sound design stuff, & now im watching this video for at least the 7th time now and it finally allll makes sense. PQ3 locked in!!!! VVS Good stuff bruh!!!
@effortless4588
8 күн бұрын
Nice bro I wanna get to that point anything you recommend to start out with to make it easy to catch up?
@allahjoseph
8 күн бұрын
@@effortless4588 so, look up fabfilter’s official videos on the ProQ n ProQ3, then sage audio vids on it, then watch this guy sseb’s video on EQ, then watch this guy sikky beats video on sound design- and then come back to this video. if it didnt make sense before, it will deff make sense now. Pretty sure homie has some vids on sound design too so check those out if u wanna dive deeper. N if it doesnt, watch them over and over again until you have the info down pat. i watched this video multiple times, almost after every other video to further understand anything about phasing etc.. Dont think too hard tho. May be intimidating, but Its pretty simple. Ur probably doin a lot of this stuff already! Have fun n good luck. To GOOD MUSIC 🥂, pun intended in the best way possible
@allahjoseph
7 күн бұрын
@@effortless4588 ok. Fabfilter’s official videos on ProQ and ProQ3. Then Sage Audio, sseb, & streaky also have great videos. Sound design, Busy has bideos and this guy sikky beats. If you dont feel comfortable now, you def will after these videos. I watched this speciric vid like 10 times. Good luck n 🥂 to makin GOOD MUSIC- pun intended.
Bro saving producer’s life
Please do a part 2, very useful tricks indeed. Sidechaining in my mixes always feels like I have to sacrifice either the kick or 808, and it becomes very hard when the 808 changes pitch and the kick doesn't. I always find myself with at least one note in the 808 pattern sounding off with a kick, to the point where I'll usually just remove the kick and have 808 only for those notes. Now I usually just "sidechain" some frequencies where I see the most clashing (Neutron EQ shows this well), but the results are still not ideal.
@prodsyren
10 ай бұрын
I started to use kickstart 2 for this where you can select which frequency range you want to sidechain which is so much better than just ducking the full volume of the 808
@otnath
5 ай бұрын
@@prodsyrenjust put a fruity peak controller on your kick, then put a Parametric eq 2 on your 808, and then right click one of the frequency faders, and link to controller, when the window pops up with a text pop down menu, select inverted, then click accept.
@otnath
5 ай бұрын
@@prodsyrensurely it’s a lot better to have the exact shape of the waveform controlling the volume rather than an automated timing
@tim4s
3 ай бұрын
Use kick 2 vst from Nick Homero with side chain funcion. You gonna fix.this.
@prodbyaviel
10 күн бұрын
what helps me with that problem is using the same kick, but reversing the polarity of the kick that plays at the exact time the higher pitched 808 plays. + sidechain with kickstart In most cases the phase aligns better with that. try it out ;)
Great tutorial! You can zoom in more in playlist by increasing timebase number (options -> project general settings)
No need to overthink it get a Spinz a wheezy kick, turn the velocity up, put them in mono and soft clipper on the master…simple
Haven’t seen a video from the goat in years 🐐
Guys, don't forget to pitch your kick, maybe this is sound crazy, but when you will start do it, you will hear what pitch position of your kick are glueing with 808 best way, and i recommend try it with warping and without, because first one not touch phase and last one does. Then, when you think that you found this best pitch position, go to start time, in ableton we have it on the right side of our screen, so try to put your 808 little bit on right side, sometimes you will don't need it, sometimes you need just 2-4 ms, sometimes 8, but not more than 12 i think. This all about phase too. When you will hear glueing between kick and 808 (best knock and punch) this mean that you found best phase position. And then, guys, just do this MIKE DEAN trick, make kick and 808 sound seamlessly on low freq, just make 808 volume like you need for good sound on lows, then turn kick volume down, you can do this with kick punch sound or even without, choice is yours. And when you finally did it, you will need a punch, so just grab any eq, make bell very wide curve around 1000hz (wide - q=0.35) and just boost it around 3-6 db, sometimes kicks are enough boosted on this mid freq, sometimes not. After all this you will have beautiful results, just practice, try another kick, another 808 and practice, practice. You will achieve so good low end and still great punch from kick on mids, I hope this will help.
Definitely we want part 2 it would be a huge help to us 🤗 btw really thanks for this video
First off thanks my brother for all your hard work and tutorials, can you please do another video on this for Ableton?
Bro a scientist fr
busy works making it easy 💣💥
Watching beat tutorial videos in the Car is lowkey a hack
@busyworksbeats
10 ай бұрын
Interesting 😎
@colbywheeler6958
10 ай бұрын
@@busyworksbeats Love your videos, Keep up everything!😎
@B.Saiju207
2 ай бұрын
Doing this rn lmao
Some knowledge & great gems spilled here instead the urban myths !!! Thank you !!!
Honestly i had this problem i spent weeks figuring it out. N i found that i wasnt using the Right. It has to be JUST right as far as waveform at least for me. And eq the low end alot of ppl eq the kick in the bass put 808 in bass range n kick to nigh to mid . Works for me dont hog the frequency space
Up mi gee given thanks mi general
Honestly i feel like 99% of people struggle to get their kicks right in the first place.. All this phase alignment is important if kick and base play tougether but i really believe the biggest issue for most people is that they dont get a nice kick or they use samples, so they dont understand the kick, which is of corse very crucial to have a good base...
I will definitely grab up that course you have, (moneys tight ATM) sometime in the inevitable future; I thought, in all my infinite wisdom & intellectualism (lol) id be more knowledgeable on this stuff, at this junction in my musical journey, but this is truly an art, but even moreso, a SCIENCE , and my ego isnt as such that i can't admit i need some schooling.. Thanks for a cool vidoe BWB
This helped so much! Thanks!
Part 2 please
This is a really great tutorial
Do more ADVANCED tutorials PLEASE BRO!!
Good stuff! Subbed!
Appreciate you my guy been watchin u for years💯💯💯💯💯can you do a video with the spinz 808 on how to make it hit like lil baby beats next?
@mikeball4665
10 ай бұрын
Soft clipper on the master and turn the 808 uppppppp
@ProdBySeus
10 ай бұрын
Snm i might jus be over thinkin dah shii frfr and lets collab@@mikeball4665
Thank you! I definitely learned something, I wanted to see how you used compression, I been using fruity balance instead and I never paid attention to the wave forms like you showed. I’ll start doin that
2nd part plsss
My issue is not knowing which ones are going to boom like crazy in the car, and which ones end up surprising me by sounding dead in the car. There's this 808 I use often and even though in my flat response Sony MDRV06 headphones it sounds tamed, sounds normal, isn't booming too crazy or nothing, as soon as I go play the song out in my car the 808 is hitting so god damn hard that it literally seems like my game plan was to overly boom out the mix due to the low end! And then there's other 808's that sound like they are hitting way too heavy in my headphones, but will surprisingly sound good in the car. I can mix everything pretty solid except for the low end! The low end be playing games with my head!
1000th like ! Great informative video
Kick loudest in the mix then 808 and everything else underneath with soft clipper on the master and let it ripppppppppp
great video
Gone head hit em with part 2 Game!
great video.
How do you deal with mixing 808 note changes? I find that my 808 and kick no longer go together once the 808 goes into different notes
@shanedsouza189
6 ай бұрын
I think the same logic would apply, find the point where the waves are interfering/masking each other and clip at that spot. Though probably the simplest solution is to use some kind of envelope to make sure the kick doesn't overstay its punch with the 808.
Yes part 2
some beats or 808s dont need a kick, and if you insist. sidechain
make part 2 yes
Dope.
How to mix zaytoven 808 with kikck please ☹️
thnks bro much love, but im asking if its true when i rout the kick in the mixer to the 808 bus i feel like it creats a side chain and i can control how hard the kick to the 808 with that knob under .
Why not just sidechain and use the Comp section of FL Limiter to duck the 808 whenever the kick hits? It allows you to customize the duck (release time, volume, etc) considering some people require stock plugins and takes a fraction of the time. The reddit question asked how to fix kick and 808 clashing and you went on a rant about phase. I understood what you were showing, but keep it simple.
@felixklein7683
10 ай бұрын
you turn the whole 808 down in volume and not just the low frequencies if you do this.
@busyworksbeats
10 ай бұрын
I think sidechaining is misunderstood. Yes, it can solve two clashing sounds but I don’t believe that’s always the solution. I believe sounds should blend, in this video, I show how to blend.
@yungsilas_
10 ай бұрын
@@busyworksbeats so how would one translate a blending sound to vocals onna beat cause dats my main thing I’m working on rn
@cosmoblvck-h43
28 күн бұрын
@@yungsilas_ notice how he starts the video off eq the bass to leave room for the kick? Same technique supplies w vocals vs the whole beat find where the vocals sit in the frequency spectrum and make room for them in the beat
i feel like bro is the opposite of flighreacts
I need to just buy some 808's that are already mixed to perfection. Paying top dollar! And they must all be set for middle C!
Masking occurs when the sounds are out of phase. Has nothing to do with loudness
If you use a clipper on your drum bus, is it bad to also push your mix into a clipper on the master? Cuz I find when I clip my drum bus I can get it sounding good on its own. But the second I use a compressor and clipper on the master it’s like it loses all of its punch, and I don’t push it into a clipper hard at all.
how to eq orchestral drums pls
Im beginner only, I as understand it Kick should be stronger than 808? because kick is positive and 808 is negative? Am i right?
pt 2
I don't do any of that. That's to complicated. I use wave lab, and what I do is I take a kick and I'll highlight some of the kick part at the end and then I'll take the 808 and blend it that way. When you right click in wave lab there's an option for pasting whatever you copied, that's what I do, I paste. If you go up to editor in wave lab there's an option for mix paste, this I don't do. It doesn't sound right to me. My kick and 808's mixed sound find to me.
@cosmoblvck-h43
28 күн бұрын
Why watch the video if you didn't need the info? To comment this? He said it's a sound design tutorial lmao not everyone has or wants wave lab
BWB has no place giving advanced tutorials.
@Ringerofthelie
8 ай бұрын
Lol
does a kick and bass is the same procedure?
ngl only in this video bro sounds like Khan Academy man