What's your secret to getting sick drum sounds?

@keeganrobertmeiring4135

4 жыл бұрын

Do you not keep your plugins organised by type and manufacturer?

@AndrewMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Not by manufacturers, by type yes.

@emodro

4 жыл бұрын

Superior drummer on a roland kit. I have countless hours trying to get something that sounds dope in my room, i've had trigger since the OG, it helps, but it can't fix shitty overheads due to 7 foor ceilings. Getting a midi kit has made tracking drums so simple, less fun, but so much easier.

@morbidmanmusic

3 жыл бұрын

Tuning properly per tune, and playing the part. No triggers.

@josefdepovic8495

Жыл бұрын

api pres, good mics, tape!!

There's a lot of really cool tips in here, thanks for sharing! If I could offer a suggestion: when you are A/Bing your effects, it is helpful to just play the sounds back to back without cutting back to your talkback track. Just something I notice from a listener's perspective, it is much easier to hear the subtleties when they are right next to each other. Cheers!

Honestly wish you would leave the background music or mix it in much quieter as it distracts from the main purpose of this video: the drum sounds. I can't focus on the sounds you're shaping when there's music playing. I get that it's meant to make it les boring, but there's really no need.

@AndrewMasters

4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the feedback. These older videos weren’t mixed so well. Thanks.

@bennisa8102

Жыл бұрын

For me it’s about hearing it in context, as that is what you hear when you listen to the song. So it doesn’t matter to me:)

Love this! It's such a good feeling to salvage less than ideal recordings for clients. I mixed a record from someone who recorded their drums in a garage with just a Sennheiser 421 and an SM58. Very mono and muffled sounding. I ran the tracks through UAD Neve 1073 with some eq for general tone shaping. Then used dynamic EQ and multi-band transient shaping with Izotope Neutron (also used Sculptor). I added a short ambience reverb before the bus compression to create a stereo image, then I used Devil-loc for parallel compression and distortion.

Distressor, distressor, distressor. Also, the Plugin Alliance Purple MC77 is a great parallel compression tool as it adds a nice touch of brightness to the material (if that's to your liking). Compressing rooms/reverbs can yield really nice results too.

@AndrewMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. I’m a biiiiiiiig 1176 guy but I love a good distressor.

If i were this drummer, i would be very sad that you didn't even tried to eq properly before throwing samples lol, i love it!

@bendertheoffenderbending9370

4 жыл бұрын

I agree!!!

@WarlonWinterheart

3 жыл бұрын

Step1: Record drums Step2: Replace everything with a better recording by someone else.

@dantepalomba7356

3 жыл бұрын

I get using samples and quantization for pop music or new metal where the drums are expected to be nothing less than perfect.

@sheishei1986

2 жыл бұрын

I agree ! Thoses raw sounds are great and at the end of the mix Kick sounds horrible !

@jessebalfour5663

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, the raw tracks really didn't sound that bad and would've come up pretty good with some EQ /Comp/dist, etc without the need for any samples. Don't get me wrong, samples can be cool but i think too many engineers/producers reach for samples way to quickly these dayz, don't be lazy, work with what you have first, then if really needed add samples...xox

I know it's not profi to do this, but I f-ing put all the settings the same as this dude and drums are sounding awesome even in Ableton. Thank you sir

I don't think the OG tracks get enough love here. Yes, the samples add some TLC, but the OG tracks provide the feel and baseline with which you can build all this awesome stuff on. Agree with parallel compression, distortion and reverb but I think the OG tracks deserve more than a 'meh' :)

@theprettystars5644

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. The drums sound like they are added after. The kick is too sharp and loud against the rest of the song in the short snippet we heard. Would be nice to hear the original drums with the rest of the tracks. Sure the tweaked drums sound good but it would be interesting to hear a final mix to see if they blend well with rest of song.

@iamtheaaronsmith8358

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah those OG drums sounded great!

Glad to see I'm not the only one that labels their parallel comp bus with "ll" :D

salvaged or replaced, that is a question

Can u allow me to say "you are my Role model" ?? I'm new in this things But I have learnt a lot . I just want to thank you for the skills you keep sharing to the world of Engeneer drummers.. Andrew Masters... God bless you 🙏🙏🙏

Great vid. Thanks for sharing the workflow!

You’re a beast Andrew! Lol I’m over here chuckling as you do your thing 😆

@AndrewMasters

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!

Whoops. Accidentally smashed the like button

My secret? Not simple but with amazing result. Chain (all digital simulations): Neve console -> tape machine -> SSL console... Then HPF to all tracks, on drum bus Fairchild, parallel compression with Disstressor... But everything starts with physical tuning, mic placement a we mustn't forget dummer's skills.

great video! i loved the decapitator before adjusting (at least on my laptop) - nice mid presence)

Thanks so much dude! Never heard of parrelel exciter and distortion! Will do that, what I was missing

This video saved my drum mix from my shitty practice space recording. THANK YOU

Dooooope my dude! The Decapitator also have four modes I think: Neve, Ampex 350, Thermionic, and maybe one more? Love your work G. ✌🏽🇩🇴

Layering, Parallel Compression, Maximizer (can be a secret weapon)! Great video!

great job right there

Devil Loc Deluxe is unbelievable in parallel if we're going down the Soundtoys rabbit hole. Echoboy is also fantastic for tape delays on drums because of all the tweak features you can do. I've been using the EffectsRack recently to build custom chains within one plugin and that has been quite interesting. Worth looking into. All soundtoys plugs are absolute monsters which i'm sure you're well aware of clearly.

@AndrewMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Heck yeah, I like the devil loc but the decapitator is my faaaaavorite. Cheers.

great tips dude! huge fan of the decapitator as well - it's the secret sauce haha! :) just went ahead and subscribed to your channel as well

Awesome Video! Helps! As others Mentioned… no backroundmusic during the explenation… Distracts… Other then that awesome!

Excellent content man!

@AndrewMasters

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it!

This is amazing! Do you have a trick to avoid phase issues when dealing with so many busses on one source?

This was good. Do you have a more in-depth tutorial and updated video on mixing drums?

Cool video man! I dig the Fatso for Parallel Compressing the drums. I've never used the Decapitator like that before, I might have use that tip. Keep the videos coming!

@AndrewMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Could you make a video about Tom and snare tuning?

Hi mate, do you offer a mixing a mastering service? Great video

@AndrewMasters

3 жыл бұрын

I mix, you can book it at www.andrewmastersmusic.com

No clue what half of the things you said meant but this was still helpful

hitted sub and like because it was a nice feel

Thanks doode

thanks again

Pretty tough to bring back a snare that sounded like a metal trash can. Good job.

What do you think on drum replacement of funky drumming with ghost notes, etc?

Youre a good guy, you know that?

Just to clarify- you sent only the snare and kick to a bus for parallel compression processing. Then you sent the entire drum mix to decapitator for distortion. But on a totally different bus you sent the entire drum mix for reverb... correct?

Didn't quite follow what you was doing with the drum sample triggers, were you sidechaining these against your tracks recoded drums?

Original tracks sounded good, they just needed some mixing. Replacing them with samples is a very poor solution.

Love it

I could never get Trigger 2 to work for me. I get input into the plugin but nothing coming out.

Hi, first off all great content. Thanks for those videos. Btw. Whats the name of a track you put in the intro?

@AndrewMasters

4 жыл бұрын

All music credits can be found in description. I believe this one is no limits by royal deluxe

Easy to fix.. Call the drummer up and say sorry but we had to dump you off the session. Pick up the phone and call Omar Hakim. aOmar got a track I need to you lay some drums on I'll send you the files. Wait a day or so and get the files back and great playing and sound. Back in my recording engineer days we'd love it when we saw Ronnie Tutt's cartage service deliver his kit. Not only was Ronnie one of the most solid drummers, but his drums were always tuned to perfection and you put a couple mic's almost anywhere and get a great sound. Same went for Nigel Olsen live or studio his drums always sound fantastic. The producer I worked with a lot Keith Olsen could tune drums better than most drummers. It's all in the tuning.

can teach how do this for drum garageband? please nice video I like

did you send only kick and snare to exciter or the whole drum bus?

Hey man, great videos! How do you go about recording your screen audio and your voice while using pro tools? Best of luck

@AndrewMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Shoot, not sure how I missed this! I use quicktime screen recording and just route my mic through the interface.

Super helpful video! Forgive me if this comment has already been made - or you have already made this adjustment - I'm new to your content. I love your instruction. May I suggest you get rid of the backing music filler track in-between the application of each track change you demo. It fatigues my ear and makes it harder for me to fully take in the subtleties of what you are finessing. Thank you for making this content!

@mazetoeden9334

2 жыл бұрын

Yep same impression here

Quick question how did you get the Gretsch kick on the trigger 2 I didn’t really see a option for it under the triggers maybe I’m just over looking it

How does someone learn to make thier raw tracks sound better by replacing them with Steven Slate samples? The rest of the info is useful

idk if you're responsible for why the weezer white album's drums so good but if you are holy shit

What song are you using in the mix?

Checking and correcting phase should be step 1

where can i listen to that music where you do the drums

Love what you did there, too bad we didn't get to hear the drum mix in stereo..

Top!

Hi Andrew , thank you for sharing do you put Stephen slate onto the drums buss and solo each drum track ??, Best Regards, Barry, from Ireland.

@AndrewMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Do you mean trigger? I have a lot of Steven slate plug ins, which are you asking about specifically

@modernman4269

4 жыл бұрын

@@AndrewMasters Hi there, yes I think you had a VST that was been triggered by the snare for example, steven slate drums it looked like trigger you were using hope I am making sense !!!

@AndrewMasters

4 жыл бұрын

Yes the plug in is called “trigger” made by Steven slate. The samples I used were the blackbird drum samples from the Steven slate website

@modernman4269

4 жыл бұрын

@@AndrewMasters great thank you for that !!!

Try Soothe2 on that ring......

@AndrewMasters

3 жыл бұрын

I would put soothe2 on everything. That thing is epic.

@dannyharvey8470

3 жыл бұрын

@@AndrewMasters On my first attempt at recording drums I was faced with a very ringy snare, I tried tuning it out, changing skins etc. Eq-ing it would eat the snare's liveliness. Soothe2, targeted on the frequency, was the only thing that I have found to work transparently! I have since bought another snare and side-lined "demon snare". Another tool I have found invaluable for my needs is Wilkinson de-bleed: wilkinsonaudio.com/products/debleeder

This is not mixing, this is substituting. Maybe a vid on taking recorded tracks, and eq’ing and compression to get a good sound. Like the pro’s do.

@AndrewMasters

2 жыл бұрын

This is more of a bro channel than a pro channel.

@daveycmusic8903

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. At least in this instance. Personally, i would think that a vid with raw drums, eq'ed and effected with no plug-ins, with details around what frequencies for each drum and how to leverage compression (you covered that a bit in this ivd) is optimal. I have been searching for that for some time, and noone has done it exceptionally well. There's a ton of speed metal guys that do it, but metal drums are some of the worst sounding drums ever, as they have to cut through so much just to be heard. but a good rock drum tone set (think "Slide it in" by Whitesnake, GRET natural drum sound) and how to get it....golden chalice, right there. Thanks for all you do.

@AndrewMasters

2 жыл бұрын

@@daveycmusic8903 unfortunately compressed and eq’d poorly recorded or drums that just don’t sound good from the start - only results in compressed and eq’d bad sounding drums. The trick is no trick at all and has almost nothing to do with mixing. It’s make the drums sound exactly how you want them in the mix before you reach for a microphone. Then use the mic placement to capture the style of a recording you want. You’d be amazed at how little is necessary in the mix when you record great sounding drums, with a great player, properly. That’s 90% of the mix.

That kick is too boomy and punchy now. It was good half way through whatever you were doing though 😀

why even bother with real tracking if we throw everything away? then just replace everything with single Instrument track and put there some drums library

@mazetoeden9334

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I kniw right🙈

I feel jealous using samples for some reason. Id better spend more time micing my drumset instead.

Good but I'd personally lose some of that pointy kick. It doesn't reall make sense to me anymore in 2020.

I think you made the kick a bit too clicky

Well at least try to work out sounds before adding samples. Maybe the result will sound ok but it's like painting on an ipad Vs on a canvass

@AndrewMasters

Жыл бұрын

It’s a demo on how to use samples

@betteroffdead79

Жыл бұрын

@@AndrewMasters don't

I have to say this was an awesome video and you did some absolutely epic shit to that drum recording. HOWEVER. Not to be rude or anything, but I feel like putting background music into a video focusing on music production is an absolutely terrible idea. I don't think anyone wants a BG track playing whenever you're just talking when we're trying to concentrate on the workflow and changes made to whatever it is you're constructing. Amazing video, but less of the BGM would be even more amazing. Stay awesome!

Helpful video BUT you NEED to get rid of the background music! I’m trying to listen to the drums and keep the tones in my head but then your totally unhelpful music bed comes in and fucks up my ears. Keep it silent except for your drums and vocals! Way too distracting otherwise!

Shouldn't the title be "How to save drum sounds" ? :-) To me triggering should be the last resort. I don't solo elements to constantly hear the correlations between all the mics :-)

This bored the living piss out of me to be quite Frank with you.

PLEASE remove the unnecessary background music... anyone who is watching this video is trying to LISTEN to subtle nuances, and that's very distracting. Otherwise, VERY nice video! Thank you!!!

at least try to get something from that raw material, you throw samples to early :D

@mazetoeden9334

2 жыл бұрын

Yep definitely

I guess you can't polish a turd. Original tracks sounded bad but after all that make up it just sounds awful.

this was too hard to watch with all the distracting music playing in the background

@AndrewMasters

3 жыл бұрын

Try it again, maybe you’ll like it more the second time

Drums...... the only acoustic instrument that simply cannot sound good without mic’ing and mixing. You spend $8,000 to hear buzzes, over tones, and the sound of sticks slapping plastic. I’m a drummer and I love drums, but making drums sound good is the audio equivalent of using a green screen to achieve a visual scene. Without electronics acoustic drums sound like ass. Don’t believe me. Go to your local bar and watch the live band. Ugh.

@mazetoeden9334

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

😬😬😬 You just made it sound crappier. The kick has too little oumph and the snare sounds like shit.

@AndrewMasters

4 жыл бұрын

One man's shitty sound, is another man's grammy winning drum sound.