Please note - In the price I have not included the cost of re usable things like the mould and vacuum storage bag, which will last hundreds of parts if well maintained.

@jurinero1

Жыл бұрын

and also priceless skills:)

@sergiodestefano6752

Жыл бұрын

may I ask: can the process work with a polyester resin instead of epoxy? Being the mould polyester by itself, there shouldnt any problem, right?

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

@@sergiodestefano6752 yes polyester resin also works very well and cures alot faster to

@sergiodestefano6752

Жыл бұрын

So, mate, let me get this straight: first you put on the gc50 gelcoat to create a uv stable surface. Then after it dries out completely you go on with the rest of the process. Question: given the fact that the gelcoat has totally dried out, doesn't that give problems in terms of bonding with the carbon surface? Next question: i want to make a fiberglass or carbon cover for a motorcycle tank. It will be a wet layup with poly resin... you think i can vacuum bag it or better leave it alone given the concave shape? And if I vacuum bag it, will it be necessary to trim ALL the excess to avoid movement at the edges, where there is no mould? Thanks

@josefraga2146

11 ай бұрын

🎉🎉

Be careful about using your bare skin with epoxy resin! It is a sensitizer, which means over time it can make you more and more allergic to it, to the point it can cause serious problems to be around it.

Recommended to me by the algorithm. I do a lot of fibreglass boat work and had always been put off vacuum bagging by the hassle of making the bag, connecting the separate pump, etc etc. Your video is brilliant. Such an easy approach and very cost effective, not to mention cutting down on plastic waste. Thanks for sharing - I look forward to testing this weekend👍

What a remarkably good outcome, I had always wondered if a domestic or industrial vacuum cleaner might work in this application.

I'm always amazed how you make it look so simple. Thanks for sharing once again.

Very helpful I may give this a try and make a front license filler plate for my 90 corvette.

Very cool. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

I'm intrigued by your methods! I need to try skinning the way you do and be patient with the initial layer you start off with, the end product is fantastic!

Great video as always!

That's looks great bro!!

Do you have the composition of the breathable cloth? I'm in Canada so it's pretty expensive for the shipping if I buy from the link you provide

Hello, it worked now and is ha solid material, but the gel coat is still sticky between the carbon and the original product. What can I do that it isn’t sticky anymore?

Thats a great idea 👍

Is the surface of the carbon fiber smooth Sir??? And is it strong enough to withstand minor scratches?

What is the purpose of the gel coat in the first stop. Stronger than epoxy and polished better?

Merhaba. Epoxy gel coat ve carbon fiber ile yapılan parçalar güneş ışığında dış ortamda şekil değişikliğine uğrar mı yamulur mu?

what is the name of motor and cutter ? great work

Awesome!!

Hmmmm, when I did it, I missed the gelcoat first. Interesting. I want to try the resin infusion method next time for myself anyway. Just got a used Gast diaphragm vacuum pump to use.

So there's no heat treatment required for this process? How long did you leave it under vacuum for

So with the vacuum process do you leave the vacuum on for a certain amount of time? Or do you seal the bag then turn it off

I've tried this method on a piece of mine but I am struggling to let the carbon fiber adhere to the mould. What should I do to let the carbon fiber adhere perfectly to the surface mould?

dont have epoxy for carbon idk is it gone work with polyester hardner ?

I have learned so much from your channel! I am in the process of creating my own mold design for a trunk wing spoiler. Would the method with the vacuum bag be good enough for a more complex detail? Would the vacuum bag create enough pressure for the carbon to get to the contour of a more complex mold? Anyway, I am almost ready with the mold and waiting for the carbon delivery so will find out myself but any hint would be appreciated! You are a blessing for the carbon enthusiasts community!

@jrich436

6 ай бұрын

It only takes .2hg to vacuum form Easiest way to make a wing is to CAD a wing and form a block around it Print the block(s) so you have a negative and then follow the procedure you see here to make it Most difficult part is forming the supports internally for the mounts I’ve done it and honestly….. easier to just buy a ABS wing and skin it in CF and be done…..

@Carbon Workshop hello I have a question: we may not see it in the video but do you pass your preparation in an oven? if so how long at how many degrees c?

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

With this part only room temperature was needed to cure.

Hello excellent job thanks for information, I was just wondering how much time you wait after last gelcoat, before applying epoxy resin? Thx

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

Just until touch dry. Usually about 1 hour at room temp.

How did you get it to release from the mold

Looks good quality, do you make anything for the rocus rs

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

No sorry mate

I was always curious if you could use those home vacuum bags for this. Guess so! I have a project where I want to make a panel that is 78"x140" I was planning just to do a wet layup but I think the vacuum is important. What do you think would be the best way?

@chipmunkshavenuts

9 ай бұрын

I have used these bags for this purpose. I personally had at least one bag fail because you can't leave the vacuum cleaner running the whole time as it would burn up from not having any air flow after the bag is emptied, and sometimes those valves don't seal right. They can definitely work sometimes though. I also had another one fail completely my fault, as the mold had a rough outer surface which punctured the bag. Also, as I understand it (definitely not a pro), this is wet layup method, also using vacuum. Alternative methods are resin infusion, requiring a vacuum pump pulling the resin into the vacuum bag through tubing setup for it, and using prepregnated sheets that I think require heat to help cure them. As stated though, I'm no pro and could be wrong.

Nice job! 👍 Can I ask where you got the little blue plastic attachment you use to attach your vacuum bag to the vacuum cleaner? thanks

@frankcarden4709

8 ай бұрын

It's part of the plastic storage bag

Great result, i didn't get well how much time rest among gelcoat and first layer of resin, and then, i saw that you pull the gelcoat after it rests for 10 min, do you apply other gelcoat in that moment? or simply you pull what you have applied before? Thank you

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

Hi, After the gel coat has been applied I leave it for 10 min and then simply use the same brush with no extra resin. Then leave cure to touch dry (about 1 hour)

@liviogaleotti1182

Жыл бұрын

@@CarbonWorkshops sounds good, do you let it cure at room temperature or higher, before moving on to the first layer of resin? I asked it because I saw a really good result with no bubbles on the first layer .. could you recommend some tricks to avoid that problem, like putting the flame on the top or something else?

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

@@liviogaleotti1182 just cos at room temp. You shouldn't get bubles in gel coat if you mix slowly and brush on thin as possible.

AFAIK, The vacuum level achievable with domestic vacuum cleaners and vacuum bags is typically not sufficient for a good quality wet layup process of carbon fiber epoxy parts. This process often requires a higher level of vacuum to ensure quality and structural integrity in composite materials like carbon fiber. In the wet layup process, a vacuum is used to: 1. **Remove Air Bubbles**: To ensure there are no voids or air pockets that can weaken the material. 2. **Ensure Proper Resin Distribution**: To achieve a consistent resin-to-fiber ratio throughout the part. 3. **Compact the Layers**: To create a dense, uniform laminate with good fiber-to-resin adhesion. The vacuum level required for this process is typically higher than what domestic vacuum cleaners can provide. Industrial vacuum pumps, often used in composite manufacturing, can reach vacuum levels of about 99% (or 0.1 kPa), which is significantly higher than the 80% (or 20 kPa) achieved by household vacuum cleaners. In summary, while domestic vacuum cleaners can create a basic vacuum for general household tasks or simple vacuum bagging, they are not adequate for the more demanding requirements of carbon fiber epoxy wet layup processes. For such applications, specialized equipment designed to achieve and maintain a higher vacuum level is necessary.

may i know what do you apply so the fiber and resin dont stick into the mold?

@CarbonWorkshops

2 ай бұрын

Mould release wax

Great Minds think alike!..I was thinking the sam thing but on a bigger scale for door panels and hradliners

hi! i love and learn a lot from your channel! i have some questions and correct me if i wrong. 1. the method u showed is kind of similar to achieve prepreg end product but without using prepreg carbon right? only use normal carbon fibre clothes. right? 2. can the parts like above video be cured again in oven/autoclave after overnight cure to achieve higher strength? thank you and pls make more videos! love your channel!

@PepassacoOfficialCanoeist

9 ай бұрын

Also interested:)

which one the best polish compound between McGuire's,3m and g3?

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

I use g360. Works very well

what is the straight aluminium sanding block that you use ? thanks

@Ngontih

11 ай бұрын

permagrit block

How strong is it compared to oven baked? It certainly looks the part.

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

Not quite as strong, but for cosmetic parts it's perfect.

my only question is how did you cap the vacuum bag without releasing the pressure?

@gregbrightwell4682

Жыл бұрын

In those type of bags, there is a 1 way valve that will hold vacuum long enough to get the cap back on.

Great content and instructional videos. Any suggestions where to get some of the products you recommend here in the US? I checked with Composite Envisions here in the States, but they apparently don't offer a polyester gelcoat that is compatible with epoxy resin. Anyway, any suggestions would be appreciated. Keep up the great videos!

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

Hi, I believe duratec sunshield is a good product, epoxy compatible and available in the US.

I think I know why, but why do you add a gelcoat layer first? I guess just for shine/hardness/UV stability for the outside? What brand gelcoat is it, and is it hard to get one compatible with the epoxy?

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

Hi, yes gel coat will add UV, and make the part easy to polish. Without gel coat you will struggle to get a nice shine

How many long u vacuum the mould? Until let dry or what?

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

You can leave as long as you want. I turned it off after 1 minute and relied on the bag seal

So let's ask this. These vacuum bags I see go for cheap Amazon for about 34$ US with the blue cap. Would you say these same bags can be cooked at 120° F? If it was discussed already I am sorry

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

Probably wouldn't take the temperature of 120deg. But you could cure the part the bags maximum temperature. And then take the part out of the bag and carry on the cure slowly.

is it important bake in the oven the carbon? i see this step in a lot of video. Sorry for my bad english but i am italian 🥲

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

The main reason is to post cure the resin to stop is distorting in hot sun light.

@simoneperno2343

Жыл бұрын

@@CarbonWorkshops thanks man!

@simoneperno2343

Жыл бұрын

@@CarbonWorkshops what happens if i cook it without the vacuum tube?

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

@@simoneperno2343 you might just get some bridging holes where the carbon has come away from the mould. The vacuum keeps everything tightly compact.

what would happen if you just bag it without peel ply and without breather cloth

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

The bag would stick the part, and excess resin probably get stuck to the mould edges / reverse.

Hello, can I know the white cloth name?

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

Breather cloth. Link in the description

Does using vacuum cleaner really works instead of pump?

@billjonesnation

11 ай бұрын

I found the shop vac didn't create enough pressure to get good detail.

@TheWindsurfk59

9 ай бұрын

It won't create as much vacuum, so it won't work as well but it does work. Wouldn't recommend using a vacuum cleaner for structural parts. A vacuum cleaner also relies on air flow to cool it, so if you use a vacuum cleaner for this a lot it will burn out, especially if run continuously on leaking bagging jobs like boat or surfboard repair where it is difficult to get a complete seal.

Круто!!! Но что с этим делать ? :)))

Hello, I left it in the vacuum bag for 10 hours but it still was soft and sticky. Did I do something wrong with the mixture or was it to short in the bag?

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

My guess is resins not weighed correctly, or cured for 10 hours in cold temperature.

@seantex8041

Жыл бұрын

@@CarbonWorkshops of had about 22 degrees Celcius. I tried to use 25 ml resin + 7.5 ml Catalyst, but since it was normal house temperature it should be the resin that went wrong, since there is no other way to tell what else it could be

@seantex8041

Жыл бұрын

*I had

@seantex8041

Жыл бұрын

@@CarbonWorkshops there is no other way to weight the resins and catalyst correctly other than with a measuring cup

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

@@seantex8041 you could try weighing the resin with high accuracy scales?

How long does it have to be under vacuum?

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

I left under vacuum for just 30 seconds, and the rely on the seal on the bag.

@seantex8041

Жыл бұрын

@@CarbonWorkshops so if I understood correctly, I put it in the back, put it under vacuum for 30 seconds and then get it out of the bag?

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

@@seantex8041 Once vacuum bagged. Leave overnight to cure in the bag.

@seantex8041

Жыл бұрын

@@CarbonWorkshops or did you leave it for a longer time in the bag without the vacuum?

@seantex8041

Жыл бұрын

@@CarbonWorkshops thank you

hi! someone know a web site in EU i can buy these products?

@CarbonWorkshops

Жыл бұрын

I believe easy composites do

Great work but you should of wore gloves when laying both the ply and breather. A hand reaction may not happen instantly but can be bad in the long run.

5 pounds plus 10 thousand hours to master the art.

While likely accurate, your cost calculations leave much to be desired IMHO. I'd prefer to see initial outlay values rather than cost-per-use or cost-per-piece values. As I see it, that's how most folks would have to begin.

I cant believe that the materials are so cheap

Great video - "ANNOYING MUSIC"

its spelled V...CUUM

no gloves xD

You forgot to add your time to the cost price, as well as the time spent on mistakes, before obtaining mastery. This is where the cost price and the final price of carbon are formed =)