You know your stuff Tom, great work.

@tomspontoons

Ай бұрын

Thank you!!!

Great video! I'll be doing mine tomorrow, and really appreciate the details!

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

Happy to help!! Hope the install goes smooth for you!

Great video! Our carpet and glue came in from your company and as soon as we have some dry weather we will be installing carpet!

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not my company, but I love being able to help support them. Great company run and operated by great people!!! You’ll love the end product when you get the work done. Stay with it, have some fun, and then enjoy the heck out of the boat when it’s refurbished!!! Thanks for watching!

Thank you for your video

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome!!! Hope it helps!

@annekennedy7356

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomspontoons does the vinyl floor have some type of foam or rubber backing for comfort

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

@@annekennedy7356 YES! It has a layer of vinyl on top, then a foam padding which gives it a very comfortable feel, then a felt backing to help with adhesion to the deck. There are different options and thicknesses. Pontoon Stuff makes it easy with just a heavy duty vinyl which has no cushioning, and then their woven vinyl which has the cushion. The woven is great stuff and has a great feel on bare feet. I kick my shoes off immediately every time I get on my boat!

Great viduo. Thanks for the info. One question. I had replaced the deck on my boat last year. At that time, we painted the deck, using rustoleum marine primer and topside paint, with the anti-slip additive for the final coat. By the end of the season, the paint was peeling, badly! I plan to replace with vinyl. Do I need to sand off all the old paint? I'm concerned in part because of the anti-slip additive.

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Marc! Unfortunately, the best way to adhere the vinyl is by gluing it to a clean wood surface. The vinyl glue needs to be able to have breathing through the wood to cure, so a sealant or paint will not allow that curing to happen properly. Do your best to sand off the paint and start with a fresh wood surface. On the bright side, sanding paint is much easier than trying to sand old carpet backing or old glue!!! Best of luck, reach out if you have more questions!

I can't wait, I got some samples in the mail, looking forward to getting some delivered and putting that stuff down! Anybody know they best cleaning solution and technique to get the rails and pontoons shining new? Thanks, appreciate it!

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, you'll love the vinyl! If your railings have an anodized finish then I would just hit them with dish soap and a rag to clean them up. If they're bare aluminum you could use a red scotch brite pad or they'll sort of polish up with an SOS pad or steel wool. Lots of work to polish anything and they'll oxidize/dull eventually.

@skylark4901

Жыл бұрын

@@tomspontoons Thanks, yeah they're probably anodized, I'll just try a good cleaning first 👍

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

@@skylark4901 👍

You mentioned cutting boards. FYI, since starboard is kind of expensive, then as an alternative, cutting boards also make good, cheap panels to fabricate things for pontoons. I used one an inch thick to fabricate a mount for my trolling motor, and used a couple of 1/2” thick boards to make rod racks and corner shelves with cupholders. Also used a couple others below the seat beside the battery to mount my fuse panel and 50 amp trolling motor circuit breaker on. They come in lots of colors and sizes and thicknesses. I even used a piece of scrap to fabricate a new latch for my front gate since the stock one was too weak to hold up to wind on the highway.

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! I’m not sure how it’ll hold up in the sun, but if it’s not in directly I’m sure it’ll be fine. Amazon now sells marine grade UV protected plastics like starboard (but cheaper!).

@duanebledsoe7566

Жыл бұрын

@@tomspontoons it will do quite well I believe. Before I used these on my pontoon I had a little Sundolphin Sportsman pond boat and a couple of kayaks that I used these same materials on for mods. 3 years of outdoor use, and kept stored outdoors too, but not really stored in direct sunlight. There was no change to the materials. I usually always get black, but on the pontoon I’ve used both black and the royal blue color. One of the blue ones used for a corner shelf did develop a slight upward curve, but it’s barely noticable. I’m OCD about stuff like that so I catch it where others won’t. It curved very slightly along the front edge where it spans about 20” with no support. I could have stiffened it with another piece fastened like an apron board on a table and avoided the issue, but I didn’t.

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

@@duanebledsoe7566 good to know it’s an option that’s proven to work for other folks!!

Great video. I'm putting new vinyl flooring in an old Tin boat. What do you think of Advantech for the sub floor? Marine Plywood is very expensive, Thanks

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

I would strongly advise against OSB or other particle board. To save some money, I would recommend using pressure treated plywood. The “treated” part is most important to resist rot and last a long time. “Marine Grade” simply means without knots or voids and typically implies that waterproof glue was used between layers of ply.

Hey Tom, thanks for the videos. I’ve got my new deck and vinyl installed (ordered from PontoonStuff) and I’m moving on the the next phase of my project, redoing the panels. I have removed all the old stickers and I am left with the residue from the glue. Do you have any suggestions on how to get rid of that before I paint the panels?

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

I’ve always had great luck with Goo Gone, but could also try acetone. I’ve seen a rubber wheel decal remover that attaches to a drill, but I’ve heard mixed reviews. Some say it works amazingly, others didn’t have such good luck. It’s available on Amazon

Great video! I too have a 25' aluminum deck, gonna be pricey for vinyl floor. Just wondering if you've heard of tuff coat and your opinion on it? Thanks

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

I have not worked with Tuff Coat. I think the prep work would be the most important part, being that it’s going on aluminum, to prevent it from chipping or flaking in spots over time. The investment in vinyl is pretty darn solid as it’ll wear far better than carpet and is so much easier to maintain and keep clean…plus it feels great on bare feet!

@toddkelley7073

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomspontoons thank you for fast answer. I'm just afraid of my abilities to put on vinyl, love the look, just don't want to invest that much and mess it up.

Tom, I can't find a video showing how to obtain and install the aluminum trim after the vinyl flooring is installed. HELP!

@tomspontoons

10 ай бұрын

We buy 99% of our deck trim from Pontoon Stuff, they'll ship it right to your doorstep. We haven't done a real in depth demonstration video on installing it, but I'll be sure to the next time I install new! Here's one for working with angles near the transom though: kzread.info/dash/bejne/e62lsslwZbinZJc.html And another showing how "F-Channel" works: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eKGFu66Fn7u7iM4.html

The vinyl flooring I found has a foam back to it, which matches the trim very well. Do I need to use a different adhesive for this type?

@tomspontoons

4 ай бұрын

I've installed one floor with a foam back (no felt) and we had to use a different adhesive supplied by the vinyl company, NOT the stuff I normally use from Pontoon Stuff. It was a unique situation where the customer had the flooring and glue and we installed it on site. Your best bet would be to reach out to the flooring manufacturer or retailer to find out what glue is best for that flooring.

Hey Tom, I was curious what your thoughts are on 4’ x 8’ sheets of HDPE or similar products instead of plywood for decking. It would be for a pontoon used as a dock. Thank you

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

There are a couple brands of pontoons who use a plastic material called Coosa Board, basically an HDPE material. The adhesive process is different than plywood, more similar to adhering vinyl to aluminum (video posting later this week about how to do that). My take on it is that the vinyl will wear out eventually and it’s easier to just install new plywood and vinyl at the same time than try to clean a composite deck well enough to lay new vinyl (it’s NOT fun cleaning those surfaces!)

Would you recommend trimming the newly installed plywood to make nice straight edges? (not all of my plywood is exactly aligned).

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

It’s common to have boards slightly off. Up to 1/8” shouldn’t be any problem and the rub rails (aka deck trim) will hide those inconsistencies and make the whole deck look straight and cohesive. Won’t hurt to cut them but probably not necessary

My deck boards are pretty rough, and the toggle bolts that secure to pontoons are protruding a bit. I didn’t see how you addressed deck board seems? Will the seam tape address the protruding carriage bolt heads? Is there a product to put on deck to fill some of the irregular spots? Or simply sand smooth?

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

I usually counter sink any deck bolt that would protrude. Even just taking a layer of plywood off with a hole cutting bit works. The seam tape only goes on the bottom of the boards where they come together. Depending on the crossmembers at the seam, it’s usually one elevator bolt (deck bolt with flat head) where the boards meet, on 12” to 16” spacing. You could sand irregular spots or add some wood filler or epoxy and sand smooth. The general rule is that you’re more likely to feel rises under the flooring than depressions!!

I'm trying to figure out the best way to remove Marine Vinyl flooring from my pontoon boat. So I can install new flooring. I heard you recommend replacing the wooden flooring? Uhhggg I'm not sure that I planned for that hit?

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

Depending how it’s glued down it should come up. You could try a “spider blade” for a reciprocating saw (saws all) to help peel it up. Then you’d want to get as much of the old glue and vinyl backing (usually felt) up with a sander. If you put in the labor it’ll end up saving you a lot of money, but it’s time consuming…that’s why we just start with new wood, it would be more expensive for our customers to pay for the time just to try to salvage old plywood!

great video i have a 18ft bass bugggy dlx pontoon what is theprice of that installation on it or can i order that for an 18ft bass buggy 8.5/20

@tomspontoons

6 ай бұрын

You can order the exact flooring that I use from PontoonStuff.com. You can enter TOMSTOONS at checkout to save 5% on your purchase. They've got free shipping for anything over $100 including their flooring and even their flooring kits which include plywood, hardware, glue, and the woven vinyl. We've installed their vinyl on close to 100 boats over the last few years and all of our customers have been very happy. Our charge would be in the ballpark of around $4,000 installed for that size boat (that's the whole kit with new plywood, and the tear down and rebuild).

Hello, the floor on my pontoon boat is aluminum. What adhesive do you suggest? Will rivets and screw heads show under the vinyl? Maybe I should use a foam type of floor? Any suggestions would be appreciated! Please provide me links for any product. Great video brother!!

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

Great questions! Rivets and screw heads will show if you’re looking for them. Foam floors like Sea-Deck tend to have issues because of all the seams and things peeling over time. I would recommend a woven vinyl and using a solvent based adhesive. I just uploaded this video this week showing the vinyl to aluminum process: Installing Pontoon Vinyl Flooring on ALUMINUM DECK kzread.info/dash/bejne/lWl40bh-gJPWn5s.html

@snookwestwest2298

Жыл бұрын

You're the man! Thanks for your help!

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

@@snookwestwest2298 just happy to help!

I have a 24 foot aluminum floor Sun Tracker. I live in South Florida. I have two questions. How much hotter are the light gray woven vinyl floor material than carpet? Second what surface prep and glue would you use on the aluminum floor? I agree that carpet is a pain to keep clean.

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Robert! Thanks for watching our videos! I've heard a mix of reviews from different people about vinyl flooring on feet. It seems that woven vinyls are consistently cooler than other options out there. I have the gray woven teak on two boats and love it. On a really hot day we will have to splash the floor with water a time or two in order to keep it cool for the kiddos and dog, but after that it's good to go. A darker carpet can get really hot in the sun, but the big downfall of carpet is the upkeep and the fact that it simply takes forever to dry after a rain storm or wet swimmers climb aboard. I don't work on aluminum decked boats because it's such a tough thing to guarantee the new vinyl I'm installing on it. Additionally, the labor it takes to clean the surface and apply the proper adhesive makes it the same price or more compared to just stripping it and using marine grade treated plywood. You'll need to get all of the old carpet and glue off. It tends to melt and smear with sanders, wire wheels, and other abrasives. I've heard of folks using drum sanders and going through a few pads, and even renting commercial grade heated power washers. Once clean you need to use a solvent-based adhesive (aka contact cement) like Weldwood or 3M products. Because the aluminum can't breathe like wood to cure, you'll apply the solvent-based adhesive to both surfaces, allow it to nearly dry (do some test pieces on scrap aluminum), and stick together...once together that's it (if done correctly), and it won't come apart easily. You'll have to work in smaller sections usually because of the dry time, etc. so you'll likely work from front to back unrolling a few feet of vinyl as you go. Hope this helps! Someday we will do an aluminum decked boat just for the purpose of making a video on the topic.

@robertpetrasek1773

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the quick response. I will delve into this further.

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertpetrasek1773 Absolutely! Whichever flooring you go with, check with the manufacturer that it can be glued with solvent based adhesives. I know that Pontoon Stuff's woven vinyl can be. Best of luck!

I used a water based sealer on my deck boards(Seal-Once Marine wood sealer), will the vinyl glue cure or will I need to use a solvent based glue?

@tomspontoons

11 ай бұрын

I’ve had this asked a lot. I would test the regular vinyl glue first to see if it stick well. Just take a little chunk of vinyl and glue it to the back corner of the boat, leave it for a day or two and then come check how well it cured. I think as long as it’s not epoxied or completely sealed it should cure. My fear would be how the solvent and sealant might react and mess with the vinyl.

Tom, I just installed that same woven vinyl. The part that was in the center of the roll had creases, I think from being rolled too tight. Now that it’s glued down it looks like wrinkles. The part further out on the roll (24 ft boat) that wasn’t rolled in to such a tight radius is fine. I’m wondering if you’ve ever run across this and if there’s anything I can do? I also have a crease/wrinkle right in the center where I folded it over to glue the second half. This is really frustrating considering how much this stuff costs.

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

I have never had those issues with the vinyl I get from Pontoon Stuff. If it has wrinkles or issues from packing or shipping I’m sure they will take care of you if you call their customer service. I had issues with wrinkles early on using a different brand flooring. None since only using Pontoon Stuff’s vinyl.

@davidalbertson6690

Жыл бұрын

@@tomspontoons Well, you were right. They agreed to send me another roll. I have a feeling I'll be able to pull the wrinkled stuff off but it will leave the felt and glue behind. The glue will probably clog up any sander I try to use. Do you know of a solvent that will break it down?

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

@@davidalbertson6690 not sure the best option there…you could ask them if the new glue will reactivate the old stuff enough to stick down. Or if you even need to remove the old glue. Or rent a drum sander and a couple extra sanding pads, that’s what I’ve heard works the absolutely best.

I always get mixed answers on this subject so I thought I better ask you do you seal marine plywood or no...some people say yes some say no some say just do the top and sides some say just do the bottom and sides I'm very lost on this issue

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

I need to do a video breaking down this topic. There is a BIG difference between "Marine Grade Plywood" and "Marine Grade Treated Plywood". You can get Marine Grade plywood at most lumber yards and even big box stores, but it is not treated nor meant to be constantly wet as it's not prepared for resisting rot. It's for applications where you would fiberglass over it or epoxy it to seal it. Treated Marine Grade plywood, like is sold at PontoonStuff.com is made to get wet over and over, just like what the pontoon boat manufacturers have used for the last 30-40 years. If you HAVE TO use untreated wood then yes, you should seal it....but then it requires a different adhesive and process to glue the vinyl flooring down because the vinyl doesn't breathe nor does plywood if it's sealed. If it's getting carpet then it's not a big deal. I will be making some videos coming up where I discuss common questions like this one, tritoon conversion topics, prop questions, and so much more!

I am planning on new plywood and carpet. I do not have an enclosed area to complete the project. My question is at what temperature can I install the carpet? I live in north western PA and the nights are still cold. I will be covering the project at night. Thank you for the information.

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome question Ray!! Ideally we’re looking for at least 24 hours at 65+ degrees. Keep in mind that a bright sunny day that’s 55 degrees might offer a good amount of heat to help that glue cure. The glue will usually have those recommendations too!

@evanjoseph8280

2 жыл бұрын

I’m in the same boat Ray, in PA want to get my floor done but it’s been so cold and can’t get that 24 hours needed to cure right now! Looks like this week we’re getting in the 70s might just try to knock it out and hope for the best!

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

@@evanjoseph8280 be patient because it’ll be worth knowing you did it right the first time!! Best of luck in finishing it up as soon as you get the flooring down!

@evanjoseph8280

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomspontoons thank you! It went great and am super happy with it!

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

@@evanjoseph8280 glad to hear and happy to help!! Now go enjoy that “new boat”!!!

great job i have a bass buggy 18ft dlx how do i order that size .

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Head over to PontoonStuff.com. You’ll need to round up to the 20’ kit for an 18’ deck. It’s awesome vinyl material!!

What glue do you use on treated wood to get carpet to stick .

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

I use the adhesive from Pontoon Stuff exclusively for gluing carpet and glue to plywood. They ship different glues from time to time, but their DM-9080 has been what I've been using the last 6 months or so on projects.

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@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

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What flooring would you recommend for a pontoon that will be exclusively used for fishing? Something that will clean easily and not get badly damaged from hooks?

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome question! On my own fishing pontoon I have the teak woven vinyl from PontoonStuff. I fish in the river for bass, catfish, salmon and steelhead. Bait, hooks, scales, blood, fish slime…my boat sees it all. I have a portable wash down pump that I spray it down with at the end of the day. Then once or twice a year I scrub it with a brush and dish soap. Just rinse and it’s good as new!!

@ME-pb2gf

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomspontoons Thanks man. Getting my rig ready and will be getting some of the teak soon.

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

@@ME-pb2gf you’ll love it!

why that wireing is hanging would it be better to let it hang inside and then cut the vinyl flooring

@tomspontoons

6 ай бұрын

It's easier to work with usually on the outside of the boat when it comes time to run everything up through the hole in the bottom of the console to be hooked up.

I have an aluminum floor on my pontoon boat. Recommendation on glue?

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

For aluminum decked boats you need to use a solvent-based adhesive when installing vinyl. Neither material breathes so the tradition glues used for wood and vinyl won’t work long-term. The process is different with solvent-based adhesive (aka contact cement) because you apply it to both materials, let it almost completely dry, then stick them together. It’s super strong stuff when done correctly! Also, and probably the worst part, is that the aluminum needs to be as spotless as possible. Gotta get ALL that old glue off the best you can……or just replace it with marine grade treated plywood!!!

Just curious, why couldn’t you fold the vinyl over the edge of the deck plywood and staple the edges?

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

Great Question! This vinyl is almost 1/4" thick with the layers of vinyl, foam, and felt backing, which makes it very difficult to fold and staple compared to thinner styles of vinyl. Additionally, if the aluminum rub rail (aka deck trim) is an F-channel, it will not fit properly.

Tom, is there a reason you don’t use a linoleum roller? Seems like it would be easier.

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

The main reason is because I'm stubborn and I know the PVC works, lol. It makes more sense to say the PVC works best because you can work the flooring outward with pressure, take all the pressure off, reset, and work outward again. That way any air bubbles, excess glue, etc. can be pushed out to the edge of the deck instead of just moving it around the deck.

@kathejukish

10 ай бұрын

@@tomspontoons We just installed new 20' vinyl flooring using the kit from Pontoon Stuff (love it!) - your videos were so helpful! We used a 3 1/2" OD PVC pipe and instead of the cutting board, used a 9x13" nonstick cake pan... made for better pressure spread and easier on the hands. Thanks for your easy to follow videos - they're great!

@tomspontoons

10 ай бұрын

@@kathejukish awesome!! So glad our content was helpful. You’ll love your new flooring!!!

What is the best way to pull dents out of a toon?

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

Oh man, great question! A welder could tack some material and pull dents out. Filling with air pressure likely wouldn’t do much because the suggested pressure is only about 3 psi. I wish I had a better answer!

What's next? After the woven vinyl is down, cured and edges trimmed ... what's next? Install fencing?

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

You’ll need to determine if your railings integrate into the deck trim or if they’ll sit inside of it on the deck alone. If it integrates Into the deck trim you’ll need to install/position the trim first, then the railings go on. I always unbox and assemble the seat bases and seat back cushions up on the deck before adding the railings…much easier than having to lift them over! This is actually a video we are going to make coming up, a short video just talking through the steps we take when refurbishing.

How long did that take to install? I barely have anytime was seeing what you would charge for 24x8 ft pontoon. Everything removed including carpet

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

To lay the vinyl usually takes me around 45-60 minutes by myself. A little quicker with help. Please shoot me an email to TomsPontoons@gmail.com for pricing and quotes!

@barz_0242

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome I will thanks.

@barz_0242

2 жыл бұрын

Great informational video by the way!!!

Are the staples made of something special so there's no rusting?

@tomspontoons

2 жыл бұрын

Ideally you’d use stainless staples. However even if they rust they will not hurt anything as the deck trim will hold down the vinyl just fine. I like stapling to help with the adhesive process more than anything…making sure the edges stay glued down nice and firm.

@mybuhvn

9 ай бұрын

Stainless steel Staples do not rust. I've done this for 37 years. I do not do the floor unlike that and and just don't quite understand why you say they may rust when they don't. That's why you use stainless on boats.

Do you treat the plywood with a water sealant?

@tomspontoons

3 ай бұрын

When using marina grade CCA treated plywood (the plywood Pontoon Stuff sells) there is no need to seal, and in fact you don't want to seal it. HOWEVER, if you buy the "marine grade" from Menards or other local stores that is NOT TREATED then you should be sealing it because it's not meant to be used on a pontoon boat. It's meant to be fiberglassed or epoxied over. All of the boat brands using plywood have always and are continuing to use CCA Treated Marine Grade. It's the best option!

Marine plywood sold by the vendor 3x the cost of marine plywood from other sources. Is this because this plywood is treated and other plywood is not?

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

I recently bought 3/4” thick 4’x8’ marine plywood from Menards (untreated) for a test and it was only $20 less than the sheets of marine grade treated from Pontoon Stuff. We have the before and after video up for the test…I know I’d always spend the extra money and do it once the best way possible.

How slip resistant is this product?

@tomspontoons

Жыл бұрын

Very slip resistant. I'd be confident running and jumping off of it. I'd use it on docks, patios, etc. too without fear of it getting slippery with lake water or rain.

Anyone have comments about how slippery the vinyl gets?

@tomspontoons

10 ай бұрын

I’d argue that the woven vinyl is less slippery than wet carpet.

@donswain7859

10 ай бұрын

@@tomspontoons we went with the teak vinyl

@tomspontoons

10 ай бұрын

@@donswain7859 great choice!! We’ve got a few of those on the schedule for the fall already!