Thinking of changing to Dyneema rigging? Our next Q&A will be all about using Dyneema. Please post your questions, thoughts or advice in the comments below. Peace and fair winds!

@6226superhurricane

5 жыл бұрын

what's the expected lifetime regarding uv damage. how do you know when it needs replacing. with synthetic 4wd winch ropes uv damage can substantially weaken the rope in as little as 1 year. does dyneema have a guaranteed life span when used as rigging in regards to uv damage?

@donb4386

5 жыл бұрын

Please speak to the issue of thermal expansion when using different materials in colder climates. I believe the synthetics will expand as the temperature drops where metals will contract, in effect releasing tension on the rig. If this is recognized as an issue, how often should a synthetic rig be tuned?

@electropappa

5 жыл бұрын

Look at this guy! He's making his own rigging with dyneema. This episode is about stretching it.kzread.info/dash/bejne/foZrqsWsdLyZm7Q.html. SUCCES!!

@flyingdutchman6984

5 жыл бұрын

Over the years I have grown to trust and respect my stainless steel standing rigging. During one storm I was knocked down seven times with no damage to the standing rigging. It is for these reasons that I will never switch to Dyneema as it would create a lot of unknowns for me. I am like an old dog that refuses to learn any new tricks. This video was excellent and very informative. I am looking forward to the next video in this FTB extra series.

@martyspargur5281

5 жыл бұрын

@@flyingdutchman6984 = Wisdom.

Holy mackerel, what a bottomless sea of knowledge this guy has - and is freely sharing with us. This really is the best the internet can be...... Thanks so much for doing this interview and putting it up!

Jai is so good at explaining rigging in a way that is easy to understand and visualize.....including the newest methods. He should put what he knows into a rigging manual....I would purchase one for my sailboat! Thank you Jamie!!

Outstanding, fascinating. Super knowledgeable rigger and explains things in a way everyone can understand.

I am impressed! The gentleman knows his stuff! Logically, as he says, prevent chafing, maintain, use proper materials up to the standards for your boat. Everything on a boat is working all the time.

Thank you . Excellent information on standing and running rigging.

Jia is a treasure of knowledge and he has the gift of being able to explain things in a way anyone can understand.

Very knowledgeable rigger. I changed all my rigging to Dyneema from Colligo Marine with the exception of the furlers. I also changed my lifelines to dyneema. It is beautiful and very strong. My chainplates, bolts, turnbuckles and clevis pins have also been changed to titanium. I am getting rid of as much crevice corrosion issues as I can. Our boat is a 70' cutter and I see these upgrades as lessening our concerns of a rigging failure due to corrosion. Titanium is forever, or will at least last my lifetime. Yes custom made titanium hardware is expensive, but worth the peace of mind to me.

This guy knows his nuts and bolts

A very down to earth men but yet, a very technical mind that can literally read and see the future of your rigging. How comforting to have this specialist go over each and every fittings, cables down to the smallest component, knowing full well that it’s the lesser significant piece that could cause major failure. Very impressed when he said that even at the dock, the rigging is still sailing! Very good.

I know nothing about rigging but listening to Jai talk about it was captivating. He realy seems to be extremely knowlegable about the subject and is very good at explaning his views and wisdom. I would trust my rigging with him( if I had rigging) with no hesitation.

Have never commented on rigging for KZread before, the reasoning is experience as a rigger during the cold war days building and maintaining com towers across nato bases. Much of what gets discussed makes little sense to me when it some to stacking of what I view as potential problems with too many potential failure points! True for those that know, towers verses sailboat rigs are completely different in many ways and not just limited to static but dynamic loading seems a sea of endless potentials. My respect to this rigger for sharing so much in so short a time; to do so in a second to him language speaks to his confidence. My thoughts for a lighter rigging setup/cable wise, might be stainless from deck up say 10ish feet then transition to Dyneema up from there. Forestay all stainless. Safety rail would be stainless tubing.

Excellent advice from a very knowledgeable rigger! Thanks!

Such competence ! Impressive... Thumbs up ++

Wow, you found a smart and able rigger who was willing to talk on camera and share his knowledge! Bravo! Good info.

As to Dynema Rigging. Every time you have a big temperature change its needs re tuned. Just go with good Korean Stainless wire and good Staylock or other quality fittings

Wow this guy knows his stuff on such wide

Really AWSOME interview-thank you!!

Very comprehensive video, thanks for all the information. Hopefully I'll retain some of it when it's my turn to sail in 5 years time.

Excellent, thank you

Good stuff..interesting! Had a backstay chain plate snap when we got knocked down in a squall and burst foresail..luckily twin back stays and the mast stayed up..😥 .

Cok iyi! Very good episode! Lots of great info. Some time ago Sailing Zingaro had an episode or two on Dyneema rigging and splicing. Very interesting but I'd need to see more usage before I made that plunge. I did hear that it is degraded over time by UV. Fair winds!

"Keep everything clean and maintained and boat will look after you." There is the footer that should be added to every page of my log book. By early October I'll be getting serious about shopping for my next boat. Given my budget the vessels in my range will be older, and while videos like this do not eliminate the need for professional inspections, they expand my knowledge of what to look for before spending money on a survey. Great stuff! Thanks!

Excellent informative video. I appreciate you taking the time to thoroughly explain and share your expertise. 👍

👍👍👍Superior video I enjoy very very much excellent information I think you're fortunate,, to be affiliated with such people,, luck God bless Fairwinds 👺

Brilliant , Brilliant, Brilliant! , any offshore cruiser should watch this many many times. Jhia really knows his stuff. Silicone , great stuff just not on boats and especially NOT on rigging! thank you so much. Must watch for any sailor. thank for making this. cheers warren PS the other good rigger chat was by 'Drake Paragon' some years ago but this way more concise and detailed.

FTB excels as always with nice insights and topic, thanks well done

WOW! This is the best video concerning sail rigging on YT! I had my Ericson 38's running and standing rigging replaced last year and I would have loved to have had Jai's explanations when my rig project was completed. Thanks for the excellent maintenance vid's, enjoying them immensely! Fair Winds from s/v VALHALLA in Commencement Bay, WA.

Fantastic video! Congratulations for finding a very professional rigger. Looking forward for the next episodes.

That man knows his stuff⚓️⚓️⚓️

this is very well done - thanks for taking the time, this will help me down the road and make us safer

@followtheboat

4 жыл бұрын

Good to hear, thanks for commenting. 🙏 Liz

Bravo excellent episode Jamie. Thanks

@followtheboat

5 жыл бұрын

So pleased you enjoyed it! Liz

very informative, thank you

That was a lot to digest. From the point of view of another rigger, his statements are all right on. My thoughts on what he said, maybe I will write again when I'm not supposed to be working,: Silicone is always my last choice of sealant, except for (window type) glass to glass. It doesn't tolerate movement very well. It doesn't adhere well, it lets in and traps water (and salt). For 40 years, the Best insulator i have found for ss to aluminum, or aluminum to aluminum, is Boatlife Life Caulk. TG is wonderful stuff, but it doesn't have the longevity that LifeCaulk has. Don't use LifeCaulk white if it's a bead which needs to be exposed to sunlight. Forget gaskets on aluminum, except on engines etc of course! All i have ever seen them do is double the chances of trapping water or causing leaks. Trust your rigger to recommend a suitable substitute. Most rigs that have swageless terminals on one end and swages on the other are made that way because of the difficulty involved in predicting, from just a drawing, what length the shrouds need to be. More often than not, i put the "norseman" end aloft. Sure, you can hit it ballpark, but why not make them perfect instead of having a single turnbuckle bottomed out (which disrupts the way that all the turnbuckles will need to be set), or with a bunch of sheet-chafing thread exposed because the 1x19 came out a bit short? The best patterns for standing rigging lengths are the old wires. Measure the gaps on the turnbuckles of the old rigging, while it's still tuned, before starting to re-rig. Taping the threads to mark where the turnbuckle was set is a common rookie mistake. Keep the turnbuckle with its own shroud after disassembly. Remember that altering the spreader length, just a little bit, will have a tremendous effect on shroud length. Lashing cannot hold a candle to adjustable turnbuckles, but remember that stretchier replacements can suck up all the adjustment available in a turnbuckle that was designed for 1x19. The line that you showed is double braid, with the strength in the core and the protection in the cover. This goes along with his parting statement: "Keep the sun off!". Single braid dyneema has no such protection from sun and chafe, double braid is a very sensible choice. Making your runners out of dyneema, or whatever high strength fiber he chose, is an excellent idea. There is Nothing wrong with swages, it is alomst always the fault of the swaging machine when they fail prematurely. There is Nothing wrong with swage terminal shanks that show die marks or "flashing". Do Not grind them smooth! Notice the furler shown in the picture was specifically designed for a fiber stay. The fiber stay rotates with the foils. You cannot use a fiber stay in a conventional foil furler that rotates around a static stay. Rake is essentially opposite of bend. Bending a mast forward in the middle and aft at the tip flattens and de-powers a conventional mainsail (reducing weather helm). Raking a mast aft at the tip, without bending it, Increases weather helm, by moving the center of effort aft. Instead of trying to remember all these vague and confusing theories, simply imagine what would happen if the mast was leaning so much that it pointed straight back, or way forward, and the leverage that would have on taking over steering the boat. And when the boat is heeled, all that leverage (driving force) to leeward is trying spin the boat into the wind. This is how boats "round down" when running. No amount of rudder can overcome the leverage that the rig has when you're in a deep roll "to weather". Finally, if a rig is designed for 1x19, it makes a lot of sense to keep it that way. Changing over to rod, or synthetic rigging, means changing Every link in the chain, not just changing the shroud material. I am personally against using unprotected exposed single braid dyneema for standing rigging. Reason: chafe and uv. I have no objection to using same for inshore, shorter-term applications. I am 100% in favor of boats which were designed for, and use Aramid rigging and their associated terminals. I have never seen this discussed in cruising forums, but it is very sensible and expen$ive. Rereading what I've just written, it sounds awfully darn dogmatic. I am agreeing with his statements because it all works for me. I do not want to sound contentious. Life is all about compromise. Thank You, all the best!

great advice thank you

Great show today . id try Dyneema.

It might be helpful to provide some reading references. Great information, but you can never get too much! Thank you as always 👏

Great interview, Jai explained very well in concise format pretty much all the basic essentials and more.

WoW! An awful lot to digest in a short amount of time!! I think I hyper-extended my temporal lobe!

Very interesting for you to have shared this with us. I wish I had seen this a couple of years back. Boat owners in the colder climates tend to sail only a few months a year. The vast majority sail only on weekends and some only a few times during the summer. So we don't pay much attention to our rigging, especially chafe. We didn't inspect our rigging and then one day...boom down falls our genoa furler into the water. As it turns out, the forestay was crimped for years leading to some strands snapping. One nice windy day and snap, the rest of the shroud gave way. Fortunately for us, we started attaching our spin-halyard to the bow pulpit (pushpit?) acting as a replacement for the forestay after failing! Might have been worse Iike a falling mast! So now starting to inspect my rigging and fittings as per Jai's comments . Still, lots to learn....

@followtheboat

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your story here, Cedric, so that wet can all benefit. 👍Liz

Fantastic video. Very educational. Thanks for doing it. Jai knows his stuff for sure and it was all great advice. Keep them coming. Love these extras.

Excellent as always.

Excellent, useful, relevant and clear. More of these please.

What a great guest - Jai needs his own channel

So nice to see that level of competence in a tradesman.

Brill video really educational cheers

Outstanding! Thank you!

Very informative thank you

Jai gurur duyduk, bravo.

Very informative and good clear advice. Thanks!

Personally LOVE Dynemaa, one of the few things I really trust....

great episode

Thanks so much!

Great interview.Jai certainly convinced me that he knew what he was talking about. Thank you

Nicely done.

Excellent stuff - well done for doing this.👍⛵️

wow...thank-you. so informative!! He is an expert!!!!

So good. Seriously experienced fella.

Great informative video

Good video again. It may be worth watching Episode 61 of SV Delos, and their experience with rigging inspectors in Asia. Lots to be learnt from your video and others, thank you. Using your own judgement on daily walk around inspections is also important. All the best.

Excellent vid

Awesome video thanks

Look at Free Range Sailing. He just did the Dynema Rigging complete. He was constantly adjusting his rig as he left Tasmania and went up the west coast of Australia. Fiddle fiddle fiddle. He is a Unlimited Horsepower Chief Engineer. He likes to fiddle. Mate...You and I do not. We want to get it done and leave it as long as is safe. A thought....

I've used Dyneema for my lifelines couple with turnbuckles for adjustment. Yes there is some stretch that I have noticed - so simple to unpick the splice and re do it shortened.

Excellent discussion :-) A lot of valuable information :-)

Very knowledgeable. Not important until you have a catastrophic failure at sea. Not nice losing a mast

I have been watching your Vlogs etc for several weeks, mostly between shifts at work. The information you provide is very interesting and honest. I watched several other sailing Vlogs but found them to a little on the fake side for various reasons. Thanks for taking the time to explain all aspects of your sailing life together. Please keep honest and don't go "Hollywood"... if you know what I mean. Thanks D

Wow. Thx! I'd hire that friend.

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Awesome vid! Sailing Zingaro rigged his whole catamaran with dyneema!

Great information. Can you ask him to suggest the safest yet simplest way to go up the mast independently without relying on a person winching you up.

Hmmm confirmed a lot of my theories. I see people all the time going to thicker and heavier wire.

Duralac for aluminum corrosion protection.

Can you ask about solid rigging vs. stranded wire?

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

I recently purchased a 2000 23 precision and it appears there is silicone everywhere. Below I see someone suggests Boatlife Life Caulk. Are there suggestions on a)how to remove the silicone and b) suggestions on a better option for sealing around the chain plates etc.

I'm not sure about his advice about the turnbuckles on dyneema. There are quite big boats using lashings i.e Outremer 4x as seen here www.yacht.de/typo3temp/pics/3_8d3386424b.jpeg As far as I understand, the problem with deneema is not strech, but creep, which refers to a non-recoverable elongation, when loaded for a longer period. I experienced this on a very cheap (!)8mm dyneema rope, that I braced over 9m to install my arrow safety net. It creeped about 10cm very soon and my turn buckle ran out of thread. I'm lazy, so I accept that it's not really tight any more rather than resplicing it. Should do it though, to see how far it will go until the creep slows down. There are dyneema qualitys that are better suitable for rigging than ohers. Read here: www.riggingdoctor.com/life-aboard/2015/12/29/the-best-material-for-synthetic-standing-rigging However one problably has to live with some amount of creep and the lashing has the longer way to go compensating for it. So far I guess, it will be my choice even when it's more work of course, but it's not rocket sience: kzread.info/dash/bejne/poaZmNNwms3Io7w.html

@user-np2if5nr2z

3 жыл бұрын

Dear Anton, turnbuckles or lashings can be used for different purposes. If you look at your Oytremer example, you will see diamonds (cables on the spar itself) are wire and tuned with turnbuckles. Outer shrouds (caps) lashed with dyneema. These caps are the shrouds keeping mast upright in the middle like most catamarans today. Diamonds require fine tuning and it is very difficult task do achieve it with lashing them. Using heat stretched rope like Dynex Dux will allow you to use turnbuckles comfortably. Sizing based on creep not strength as we all know. So, if you are rigging multiple spreader monohull, you will find it very difficult to tune it properly without aid of turnbuckles. Solution is using heat stretched dyneema made for purpose. Also, any spliced dyneema should be stretched before using it. Bottom line, it’s fine to use lashing on cap shrouds of a catamaran or shrouds of gaff rigged vessels. I’d put my bucks on quality long lay purpose built dyneema with turnbuckles on anything require tension and fine tuning.

What type of fitting is he talking about (the one that is better than Norseman and StaLok) at around 9:15 - 9:50 in the video? Link or correct spelling someone? :)

I could NOT see a link/contact info to get in touch with Jai in case we are in the same region and need an inspection. Would it be possible to share it?

do have a contact for Jai? I sold like to get him to have a look at my rig

Cay/jay= cayit (Turkish name).?

Does Jai have a channel?

@followtheboat

4 жыл бұрын

No, but he was going to try to set up an FB page, not sure if anything came of it? He's a busy fella. Liz

Hi Jamie. Do you know of a Rigger Surveyor we can consult here in Malaysia? Lumut area?

@followtheboat

3 жыл бұрын

For a rigger you should look up Au Wei, based in Pangkor Marina. James Khoo, the marina manager, will have his details. For a surveyor try John Champion who is based in Telaga, Langkawi. If he can travel to mainland he's worth it.

@24hourtravellers

3 жыл бұрын

@@followtheboat thank you so much. ❤

Butyle Tape...No good for deck fittings. Bad for the Stainless steel.

I think I am pissed at KZread, seems they are not CCing anything cause I know u guys usually set it in your upload settings, they just want me to wait a day or two I guess...grrrr!!!!

@Ardass486

3 жыл бұрын

Getting pissed solves nothing,take it from me 😵

Does anyone have a telephone number for Jai?

@followtheboat

Жыл бұрын

+66 95 105 1943

at 14:00 anyone hears what brands are told, on swageless, other than stalok and norseman? i am not able to get it from the speech of Jai and there are no subtitles. thanks