Dude I think I'm getting crazy. I just hit ctrl+S to save the session while watching a youtube video lol... great content btw, keep it up Jordan, thanks

that use of the sends to create a different drum mix for the parrell compression is genius. i had laods of issues with too many cymbals so either split it or just routed the kick and snare to the Pcomp. what your doing is a more elegant solution and gives me more control over it, keeps the routing simple to understand and find. THANKS!!!

I've try this tips and my drum is really more aggressive with this added impact and I love it ! Thank you very much !!!

This is incredible and it makes so much sense now that you've said it. Will try that for sure on my next mix. Thank you for that!

Thanks man! This explained to me why my PCOMP drum bus was always a little too washy. Putting this method in my drum mixes going forward

Really like the idea of sending a separate mix to the compressor. Good call man.

Cool tip. My drum mixes have improved 1000 fold since I’ve watched your tips on EQ, compression, etc.

I’m so happy you make these videos. Every time you post I learn something new and I’m instantly inspired to write and record music to practice everything you’ve been teaching.

@SheaRecordmetal

5 жыл бұрын

I was gonna say the same thing. I just recently started recording again after a 10 year break. This channel has already helped me a lot to get the basics back. Drum samples and plug ins have come along way since my days in Sonar 8 :using OG amplitube, Latency Ridden Tascam interface and shitty midi drums in Sonar back then.

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@pywidem5823

Жыл бұрын

Do you compress your drums together with the parallel compression track as well?

Thx a lot man, this technique makes a ton of difference!

Awesome, buddy, great info. Thank you for your expertise

This is exactly what I was looking for!! Great vid. Thanks!! 💪🤘🔥🔥🔥

Got this in place on my new mixing template. Lifts the kit and sounds orsum. Thanks Jman.

No doubt: one of the best channels. Thanks, Jordan!

Video is still teaching 5 years later- I had my cymbals and room going into my parallel bus so I was getting that washy sound you talked about 😅 now I know how to fix it. Thank you Jordan!

More great info! Perfectly presented!!!!!! thanks!!!!

I can tell this is the best drum parallel comp tutorial with nice explanation

Great Video, thanks for the info

Learned this trick from a video of your's last year and have been using it ever since! It's *so* rare that you actually come across a legitimate 'game changer' technique, but this is one of those very rare occasions when your mixes do undergo a night-and-day difference with one simple technique (assuming, of course, your drums are already pretty good to begin with). If I could offer one additional comment: while I agree that you could achieve this with many different compressors, I think there's something to be said for the particular 'snappiness' and punch of a VCA-style compressor. SSL and dbx160 emulations spring to mind! There are no end of compressors that can squash and crush your parallel tracks to the moon and back, but there's something about that SSL-style spank that makes this trick really work (though I agree that you do need a clipper to shave off the peaks)!

Great video as always. I'm huge fan of yours

Jordan I gotta say. To me you give the best mixing tips anywhere. I implemented some of your mixing tips and philosophy in my own work and my mixes started sounding much better. SO truly thank you man. People subscribe to this dude, he knows his s#$"% :D

Great video and very well explained.

Great sounding drums man

excellent tip as usual thanks man

Great video man.

you are a life saver! i wish you all the best

Amazing, thank you!

This is going to help me out big time :)

Excellent tutorial... a fantastic technique but I also picked up a tip (Decapitator) which is a crackin' idea!

Holy hell this was straight to the fucking point. Love it.

Can you go into detail on how to properly separate all the drum tacks to a parallel bus? Your videos are amazing, thank you

@poiqwepoiqwezxcmnbz

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/e2mnqpuzgKSfZLg.html Closest thing I could find

@mateoparrish8221

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't you just be able to route the main kit to a bus and then control the db levels of each piece of the kit?

@Boleskinebeatz

Жыл бұрын

Just create a bespoke mix via the bus sends that’s snare/toms/kick heavy but leave out the hats/cymbals/overheads.

@AzraelWhite

Жыл бұрын

has there been a video on this? It would be really helpful

Thanks bro!!!

I need to figure out how to do this in Studio One Artist That was cool Sounds a lot easier than automating volume on the whole tracks

I really need to get that SSL compressor but I have so much fun using kotelnikov and proximity by TDR, you can stack kotelnikovs and get a dark/black tone

Awesome!

Sounds powerful

Dope!!

Hey Jordan how are you? Thanks for all these videos! Let me ask you a question: do you find yourself in your mixes using the same parallel compression aux for all the instruments or do you rather create different parallel compression auxes for each group of instruments you wanna send to? e.g. would you send the bass or the vocals to the drums parallel or would you create another parallel aux for each one? Thanks in advance!

Thanks for this! How do you approach automating the volumes of each kit, while maintaining the same amount of ratio with the parallel compression?

Helpful

Thanks for the info and tips, I have recorded and mixed for many years and it's great to top up on old techniques. I have a question if I may? How do you feel about the plethora of Rock and Metal courses online, a couple I have subscribed to.. and how they almost all create this new pop, auto tuned, insipid and often uninspired teen Metal sound? They all sound the same..shouty verse and highly treated, layered harmonies on the chorus! Don't get me wrong, I appreciate some of it, I'm not trolling but, to my experienced ear, it's become factory-like, churning out formularised, over-sincere dross. Cheers 🇬🇧🔥🇬🇧 x

Thanks for this! Do you also compress your master drum bus?

How would one do this with midi drums? For example, I use addictive drums 2. If you’re not sending the same kit to the parallel track, wouldn’t you need to bounce all the drum tracks in order to have control over which ones go to the send?

nice!

Yeaahh i always use them

Jordan, why do you favor a slow attack instead of a fast attack for parallel compression? My perception was that a fast attack will crush the drums more and add sustain to the shells. Thanks!

@louderthangod

3 жыл бұрын

Joel Bousquet You’d lose the punch of the transient if you set the attack too fast which you might want if you want to emphasize the sustain tails of the instrument (drums here) but then you’d also increase the release.

So the secret is turning down the cymbals before they hit the parallel bus, but what about the attack on the compressor? From what I've seen many times parallel compression uses the fastest attack possible to kill the transients, doesn't that work on drums?

My music is along the lines of tool meets the deftones. I learned alot from this channel already. But let me ask. Are Toms supposed to be mono or stereo???

Samples to the kicks and the snares?

In the beginning of the video, as you raise the crush fader, the snare starts to sound really phasey. Would that be from plugin latency? I've noticed if I have two busses with the same source signal, but the busses are processed differently, it can get phasey sometimes.

@jeremiahculver2776

6 жыл бұрын

KernelxSanders whenever I use a Parallel drum send, this always happens. But when anybody else does it it doesn’t. Only thing I have realized, is that transient designers make it worse because a lot of them do a phase thing. I usually just use a comp with a mix knob to get that sound now. Any actual insight on this from someone who knows their phase stuff would help!

@andrewrichter5487

6 жыл бұрын

the snare while being a sample was actually recorded. duh. but also keep in mind the whole drum mix including the room mics is being compressed. while there still may be some phasing, what you are hearing is more ambience from the snare in the room mics being compressed on the parallel bus.

I see a parrallel compression is on the separate buss than drum buss. Im wonder what are the thoughts behind separate busses, rather then have drums under the same fader. How drum buss compression will affect it if parralel compression is part of a drum buss. Is the benefit of have it separated to got even thicked and more punchy drums. Thank you Jordan as always

You can always tell who is legitimate in this type of “tip giving industry” by who actually gives good information for free. I can tell you’re not in it for money. You’re making people go from novice to pro by giving your advice and not keeping out the real secrets. I took the free 3 video part hardcore music studio course and my mix went from “yeah it’s good but something is missing” to “holy shit, once I practice this more, it’s game over💪🏼”

@Zalkard

3 жыл бұрын

Which courses were they?

@lionsatmidnight

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zalkard the full stack producer course

Do you compress the drums individually and then again on the bus?

Can you use an L1 to keep peaks at bay instead of the clipper?

Thanks for sharing this technique, amazing video as always. I still have a question though... Are there times that this simply doesn't work for you? I copied your method in one of my mixes which worked well for the snare but I figured my kick would lose a bit too much of its bottom. So I went a bit further, panned the original drum mix to the hard left and the parallel mix to the hard right with everything else muted and put span on my stereo out. Turns out I have negative phase corellation between the busses. Is there something that can be done about it or is it just a normal thing that sometimes this may not work well?

@rootcellarmusicstudiorobku519

2 жыл бұрын

Keep both drum bus outputs centered.

I didn't get it, do you double the first drum mix and send it to the other bus then? Or just usual drum mix to 2 buses, one of which is heavily compressed? oh ok looks like the 2nd separate drum track

Let’s say you don’t have $200-300 lying around for some of these fancy saturation plugins. Any suggestions for more budget friendly options?

@jacksonyancey6347

3 жыл бұрын

Slate virtual mix rack has some great saturation plugins

At last.... someone explaining some things about parallel compression, without telling us again "what is a compressor" and "how it works"!

@hardcoremusicstudio

6 жыл бұрын

Haha! Awesome!

Hi, how do you seperate the sends for the paralell bus?

With this method, is there absolutely no compression whatsoever on the individual tracks or is it just subtle compression that doesn't really affect their overall dynamics too much? Because in the other videos you have compression going on the individual tracks with the SSL E-Channel. Can this technique still be applied then??

@mcgarnacle21

3 жыл бұрын

You can still use compression on individual tracks, but it should be used more subtly. You can then send individual tracks to a seperate bus, slam some compression on them, then bring up that bus fader to blend in with the rest of the kit.

What processing do you have on your regular drum bus?

@robh3702

4 жыл бұрын

I wondered the same thing.

Great video. I usually doing a "cruch-bus" like You did BUT I only send the drumshells to it. With this method - in my opinion - i got only that smacking hits and I can blend it in to my drum bus and 5/4 times got the same results. What do you think about it?

@hardcoremusicstudio

6 жыл бұрын

I like adding a touch of cymbals to help glue the kit together!

@ennem4851

6 жыл бұрын

That is cool. Next time I'll give it a try and see. However it is very helpful and powerful! Thanks once again! 😊

how about useing BG-Drums by JST ??

Noob question: What's the routing for the drum busess?

@Harcore Music Studio Jordan what snares and kick did you use on this? Both sound killer.

@sebastiandordoni2268

6 жыл бұрын

Jan Trtschka His samples that he Sells on His site , i bought the sundown snare pack and i Must Say, some of the best samples for metal and rock

@ascended8688

4 жыл бұрын

@@sebastiandordoni2268 I can't find it on his page. Can you Show me where to get them?

Im in logic so it’s a tad confusing in relation to how you set it up in your daw. Here’s what I tried in Logic… I took my kick, snare, and overhead tracks. Sent all 3 tracks to a separate aux (send levels sent to taste). then I added processing and routed that aux into my drum bus. Am I correct in this…? The only issue I’m having is the proper routing for this technique. I understand everything else. Any help?

What snare samples you used?

Love this technique. If I do end up using it, the SSL Comp is great, but I highly recommend putting it up for a comparison with the JST Gain Reduction. I feel like it has more edge to it.

@BukanIbuMu

6 жыл бұрын

JST Gain Reduction is thicker, SSL Comp is punchier.

Does anyone have his mixing cheat sheet? The download link in my email doesn't work.

Are you sending the tracks pre or post fader?

@hardcoremusicstudio

6 жыл бұрын

Post-fader

Can this principle be applied to purely programmed drums (i.e. MTPowerDrumkit, GGD etc., no live recorded drums) as well?

@Thug-qi4sh

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it works for programmed drums as well.

yeah

Any one knows the song and the band?

Genial 👌👌

Hey! Love the video! Does anyone know how to send those separate sends to the bus in Reaper?

@jessegrisham

6 жыл бұрын

What do you mean? What part? I might be able to help hopefully.

@dashrendar4879

6 жыл бұрын

Jesse Grisham he sends a copy of his drum track sends to the compression bus instead of his actual sends so he can manipulate the volume fader to bring in a small amount of compression. But he’s confusing me when he’s saying he brings in a copy of it, I only see the option in reaper to just send the drums over to a bus and not a copy of it.

@JeserNoob

5 жыл бұрын

Braedon Billheimer that’s the same thing that’s bugging me. i figure if i were to try this i’d just copy and paste the same drums on a different bus and do that there. maybe a bit overkill but worse case scenario i’d do that. or maybe try sending the original drum sounds from the drum bus and experimenting with post/pre faded to see which one gives me more the sound i want and flexibility. All the while i’m c center about the use of samples. I’m trying to do most of my stuff in the box/freeware and without samples enhancement so i wonder how this would sound. EDIT: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mn2GsZl_kq-XiZc.html this link shows you how to do it in reaper so you can do it using HCMS’s demo and style or this style too.

@joelbousquet1156

5 жыл бұрын

What? Super easy, make send for each instrument you want in the parallel compression bus. Done

@Thug-qi4sh

3 жыл бұрын

There’s a placed on your mixer right above the volume fader, “sends/receives”. make a separate track and send the drum track to the new track you made. Then apply comp plugins And send both those to a new track. The newest track you made can be the drum bus.

Why not use a really fast attack on the comp of the parallell track to bring out the punch?

@weeschwee

6 жыл бұрын

Spero too fast of an attack will reduce the attack of the drums. A slow attack let's those transients through and then a fast release let's the rest of the sound through while also making sure the compressor resets for the next hit.

@ulfrohdin

6 жыл бұрын

weeschwee yeah, but the purpose of parallell compression is to get all the natural transients from the uncompressed track and then tuck the compressed track in underneath to provide the extra punch.

@weeschwee

6 жыл бұрын

Spero I think parallel compression can be used for multiple purposes. In this case I think he wants to add more of the drum's attack. So a slow attack setting will let those transients through. A fast attack setting would reduce those transients.

@ulfrohdin

6 жыл бұрын

weeschwee 6:48, kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqJ_yaZ6edDApMo.html

@ulfrohdin

6 жыл бұрын

weeschwee Thanks, your right, probably depends of the actual purpose.

are these midi or real drums?

@axlh.1827

3 жыл бұрын

Midi

🤘🏼💿🎶

You know the video will be good when it has 666 likes

I feel like I could spend an infinite amount of money on plugins.. It's hard to know where to draw the line

I saw a video of a guy setting up all of the parallel compression BEFORE eq'ing the drums and it has now thrown me way off. I assume you should EQ everything as best you can prior to setting up the parallel compression and then maybe tweaking things further after the fact or what?? I should probably just shut up and watch this before i comment

secrets of puncy drums :compressor and saturator.

Are these all samples? The crush bus really brings out an unnatural quality...maybe it’s just the heavy handed ness for the sake of the demo.

Confusing af

drums don't "slam" in professional recordings. they blend with the music. "slamming" drums can be found on amateur recordings, the kind that gives you a headache after 5 minutes.

urgh. Can we not use real drums for these videos? it's way easier to make programmed drums sound good. Try it with a real kit.

@angurishudesu

Жыл бұрын

What

@eweesplace

6 ай бұрын

These are real drums lol. 🥁

@shadowsymphony1

6 ай бұрын

I hear you ! every freaking video on how to mix metal drums is fake drums...jeeez

@sheppymcshep

5 ай бұрын

No…these are sample replacements.

@eweesplace

5 ай бұрын

@sheppymcshep sorry, but they aren't. Knowing Jordan's work and his typical setup, you can clearly see that there is an original kick in, snare top, and snare bottom AND samples mixed lower with these... if younare basing this simply on a guess (or your ears) you may want to pay closer attention. Respectfully, you're wrong. The sample augmentation is a choice, but just about every mix you love uses them. So, you can reply that I'm wrong, but if you look further you'll realize I'm not. Cheers and best of luck with your mixes and attention to detail.