Vince's narration is so chill, its like the NPR of machining.

@capnthepeafarmer

2 жыл бұрын

Vince and Peter Stanton would be a lullaby of machining, 😂

Just another tip for success. You should use a spot drill that has a wider angle then your drill point. Example if your drill has 135 degree point you should use a 140 degree spot. This way the drill finds the center of the spot first. This is actually what Harvey tool recommends. I'm using this technique to drill a .012 hole .175 deep in 17-4 condition H900. We are able to get 75- 100 parts out of one drill. On the straight shank drill you bought a drill with AlTin coating. You should avoid using coatings that contain aluminum while working with aluminum. Aluminum like to stick to other metals, especially itself. This can cause chip to stick to the tool causing all kinds of issues. You can actually see it happen in this video. If you are working on a live tool lathe it's best to run the main spindle as well as run the small drill with a live tool. This lets you effectively get higher surface footage. The spindles should rotate so that if either one was not running the drill would still cut. I also run the spot drill on a live tool as well with the both spindles running this way the spot has no choice but to be on center. These techniques can help overcome some machine mis alignment like if the machine has been crashed. The Citizen machines at my shop are all in really good condition. Using these techniques I've managed to drill holes to within .0005 of the drill stated size even at micro sizes.

@ipadize

2 жыл бұрын

This!!! i dont know why but mostly everywhere i see people use center drills but in reality their purpose is to drill a center for lathe centers (so the tip has enough room), thats why they have this specific geometry.

@kisspeteristvan

2 жыл бұрын

the spot angle is right for cabide , but the exact opposite for HSS

@brandons9138

2 жыл бұрын

@@kisspeteristvan I disagree. Why would what the drill is made of determine how you spot for it?

@kisspeteristvan

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandons9138 i did not invent this i only cited it , but do as you please .

@brandons9138

2 жыл бұрын

@@kisspeteristvan Cited from where? If there is a valid reason for doing that way I want to know. I'm always looking for things that I can apply to solve problems.

My favorite small diameter carbide drills are the McMaster-Carr "Quick change" drills, most of them are just M.A. Ford drills. Everything below 0.125" uses a 0.125" shank and are super affordable at like, $7 for most drills. M.A. Ford recommends for their drills to not spot at all, and I was able to be successful without pecking either. However, I had a MUCH lower feed rate. It's a recommended SFM of like 400, and on small drills at 10k rpm, you're only moving about 1/8th of the recommended SFM. So I reduce my feed to 1/8th of the recommendation and that's worked well, although probably too conservative if I'm honest.

Great video Vince!

Well planned video and really informative

Useful info, thanks

Thanks for this video! :) That was just in Time.. Today I killed four 1mm drills, so hopefully with the new infos it will work 😉👍

seriously awesome as always.. thanks for the lesson.

Great stuff, I'm always having to drill tiny holes.

We always had better luck with slower speeds & feeds. But we were also running brass bronze & copper for vaping...

In you're experience are there other realistic alternatives to those super tiny collets ya'll were using, like a shrink fit equivelant or something like that?

This was great, can you do one about using very small end-mills (i.e.

@Skooteh

2 жыл бұрын

Small endmills generally only need care taken for 2 things: Runout Manufacturer speeds and feeds (if not posted look at what other manufacturers recommend) If you have those 2 dialed it should be pretty fine

@TmSlwMchn

2 жыл бұрын

high-feed milling then is done.

This will sound cheesy, but I learned to break the micro cutters with Harbor Freight ones. You can buy a 10 pack of various micro sizes for dirt cheap (I think around $8 a 10 pack). They are surprisingly great as I have completed many orders for fixturing that required 0.02" features that were about as deep as the flute lengths (around 0.3" deep). I've had jobs earlier on that had me breaking a dozen before finding a nice cutting recipe and I didn't cry since it cost me pennies to learn what I can and cannot do with these tiny "pencil lead" endmills. Great vid!

@rongarza9488

Ай бұрын

@prodesign8189 Thank you, I had no idea Harbor Freight stocked them. You have saved me time and money.

Printed circuit boards are routinely drilled with tiny carbide bits similar to the Harvey one, with no liquid coolant. The drill spindles often run at 50,000-200,000 RPM. They usually place a thin sheet of soft aluminum on top of the boards before drilling. This helps to keep the tip of the bit from wandering and snapping off, similar to what you accomplished by spot drilling. I actually adapted a micro air die grinder onto my CNC mill that runs at 56,000 RPM, and before that I adapted a dremel tool that went up to 35,000 RPM.

@chiseled_face

2 жыл бұрын

how was the runout on the die grinder and Dremel? I would have thought they would snap small tools.

How do you measure such small dia holes? A plane plug gauge of 0.3 mm tents to bend over time. Is there any other measuring device to measure micro drill holes?

a bit silly question but i need to understand it, if the little brill bit breaks inside the hole is it impossible to remove it?

How do you measure the dia of these drilled holes?

How about a video on nickel alloy or Monel

Narration is good

A question on the pecking. Do you fully take the drill out of the hole? Or do you just take it to near the edge? I can sort of argue both. Just taking it to the edge clears most of the swarf, but its still located, and hence cannot wobble as much as if you take it out completely with swarf attached, and swinging round.

If you want to drill small hole you should use more precision holder than ER collet chuck. Adjusting runout is so so idea in this case IMHO. In second you should supply a coolant through the tool. If number of holes is huge, especially in hard-processing material, or tolerance of distance between axes is aiming to zero, you should buy ultrasonic machine.

Could use some more volumn. With my phone turned up all the way its a comfortable volumn while at home or whatever. But when at work i can't get enough volumn to hear over the machines. John is usually just loud enough to hear while at work.

For such small hole diameters HSS/Co drills are better.

@mehmettemel8725

2 жыл бұрын

Not long ago tried to drill 1mm hole in s/s part with carbide drill and broke on the first part,then tried HSS which drilled all the parts but some were off centre when it broke through the other side.

@20ldF0rTh1s

2 жыл бұрын

True. HSSco is more forgiving when it comes to breakage.

@Kyran31

2 жыл бұрын

@@20ldF0rTh1s not only that, the hss doesn’t need to run as fast because it’s reccomend cutting speed is significantly lower than carbide

Do it in stainless ;)

@brandons9138

2 жыл бұрын

With the right techniques it's not a problem. I regularly do .012 holes .175 deep in 17-4 in condition H900. We get 75-100 parts per drill.

@miguelzambranojr

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandons9138 What speeds and feeds do you recommend for 1 mm carbide drill in SS. 4151636 kennametal order number. Peck depth? total drill depth is about 5 mm. Thank you

@brandons9138

2 жыл бұрын

@@miguelzambranojr What kind of SS? What kind of machine? What's the coolant situation like?

@miguelzambranojr

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandons9138 ss304, Haas tm1p, no trough coolant

@brandons9138

2 жыл бұрын

@@miguelzambranojr I'm primarily a lathe/swiss machinist so I have the advantage of drilling horizontal holes which is good for chip evacuation. From what I can see Kennametal doesn't recommend pecking with this series of drill. The part number you gave me is for a 1.5 mm drill. The SFM would be around 120, but feed between a 1 mm and a 1.5 mm drill would be different. I would also recommend spotting with a point angle wider than the drill point angle. Kennametal says spoting isn't needed, but it'll give better hole position. By the way I'm in the US so all numbers are in inches/feet.

Hanging for an April fools joke. Proven cut feeds and speeds for cutting air

Great video, but please consider the rest of the world who use Metric units. It would be fantastic if you could overlay in the videos your F&S etc in metric as well as burger units.

@johnburden4727

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha "burger units". Hadn't heard that one before

this is a job for edm 😅

The machine must have incredible accuracy and rigidity in order to drill such small holes.

@brandons9138

2 жыл бұрын

It's a Tornach, so in reality it has very little of either those things. They are high end hobby machines basically.

More meat to tap. Yep.

Yeah, that's way bigger than a human hair. Try 0.1mm (4 thou).

Could use some more volumn. With my phone turned up all the way its a comfortable volumn while at home or whatever. But when at work i can't get enough volumn to hear over the machines. John is usually just loud enough to hear while at work.