Braid to Fluorocarbon all day for me on everything. save tons of money with this method.

@lanceaineyfishing

6 ай бұрын

I use mono leaders more than fluoro, but agree! It works amazingly well.

I'm 9 months into my first year of bass fishing and this video has given me knowledge that many other channels fail to... Subscribed and looking forward to some more good ones like this

Always love hearing your thoughts, thanks for making these kind of videos!

Just tried 20 lb J-braid Grand (Gray Light), and so far it's been A-mazing!! Smooth casts, amazing sensitivity, and awesome hook setting!! Will be spooling all my higher end spinning rods with this exact braid and color. I had it straight braid with no leader and caught three large mouth back to back!! They must not see this color. Love it!!

@Cornelius798

10 ай бұрын

JBraid rocks, love it.

Definitely learned something today with the D-Braid line. Thank you guys!

i love the response braid gives you on walking topwaters

Great job! Enjoyed this video very much. Very informative.

I love the statement that you said "there is no right or wrong, it's all personal preference and what works" I used to think that cheap fluoro was just as good as super expensive.......until I used some higher priced sunline vs yo-zuri. With most of the cheaper fluoro Ive tried.....it's wiry and has crazy memory, and after not using it very long it gets even stiffer and almost seems brittle. I've tried dozens of fluoro from trilene to tatsu. I really love the DAIWA SAMURAI FLUOROCARBON. It is extremely supple and if not as abrasion resistant as tatsu, it sure is close. I do not like braid at all really. I only use it because I have to sometimes. I use it on spinning rods to not get line twist and to get extra casting distance. Then I have 1 casting rod with it on there pretty much exclusively for frogs. Thats it. I dont use it on treble topwater baits, I dont really like to use it for frogs honestly, but theres not any frogs that are weedless that also have very thin hooks. There are some frogs that have very finesse style thin hooks that are strong enough to pull big bass out without bending, but they aren't weedless enough to through in the thickest goop. The only ones that seem truly weedless have thicker bodies and thicker hooks so you need the braid to get a somewhat decent hookset. Maybe that's what I need to invent......a completely weedless frog that has thin gfinesse style hooks that are still strong, that you can throw on fluoro or some type of floating copolymer and still get good hooks in the fish. But yeah I don't use braid on swimjigs or anything else. Im a firm believer that with throwing swim jigs or flipping heavy cover, or punching, you still want to use a thin gfinesse style hook. I will on very rare occasions punch with braid or throw up into thick vegetation or wood just so I can feel a little better, but I still use thinner hooks. I can maybe count on one hand the amount of times I've lost a fish due to not having stout enough hooks to rip it out of mats or something.......but there have been DOZENS of times that I have failed to get a good hookset because the hooks I was using were too thick or stout.

Great video! Lots of useful information.

great video! Thanks for breaking it down.

Cheers guys, nice chat, informative.

Damn. Just discovered you. Thought I knew everything I needed to know about line. WRONG. Most intrigued about the idea of sound caused by braid. Admittedly, I've been a "braid-to-leader" guy for virtually all situations, but am gradually leaning more towards "fluoro for reaction" "braid for grass, feel, or finesse." Your insights have helped immensely. Also, your theory of big braid only ...I need to process that. You've given me a lot to think about. Thanks.

@lanceaineyfishing

6 ай бұрын

I’ve been using braid to a leader for everything for years. I have used fluoro for cranking and it just doesn’t feel right to me. I use a softer moderate rod and turn my drag down when using braid for cranking and have developed a feel for that. It’s hard to step away from what you’re used to.

Wow. Great video. Very informing. Thanks.

Congrats!! Definitely a hard choice on the colors but the bone shad looks great

Fun video, thx 4 sharing your thoughts

Wish I had this video a few years ago. For baitcasting, after a lot of hassle and wasted spools I have journeyed to braid for micro trout, BFS and frog, and fluoro for everything else (few niche mono setups-buzz). Thanks for the beer n video!

I can listen and be part of the conversation for dead hours all freaking day!!!! I can tell the Passion you guys have for fishing. Couple brewskies, couple of F. bombs here and there, one thing I haven't heard is the casual Belch!!! what's up with that?? 😂Thanks for Pouring all that knowledge down on us guys, I know 95% what you guys are saying but for the Rookies out there this is Great info. and I don't mind at all hearing it over and over again. This is what we Love!!! Tight Lines Guys!!!

Super interesting on the line, using a different line for a stiff rod or vice versa, very eye opening. Looking forward to the Japan video.

I use Casting and spinning on jerkbaits. Coming from the saltwater side and throwing jerkbaits for Bonita etc I get a better rhythm with the spinning rod. Plus easier to get longer casts with some of the jerkbaits especially ones that are smaller and ones without a weight transfer system

I like your information and see what you’re saying. I do not agree with a lot of it in my style of fishing for bass. I do enjoy your balanced way of talking about line, and everything else.

My basic rule. Horizontal presentations fluorocarbon. Vertical/bottom contact braid/ braid- fluoro. Thank for the info.

THANK YOU SENIOR THE INFORMATION IS VERY GOOD FOR US BEGINNERS

Absolutely spot on about that braid noise Ben! I've tried it for jerkbaits before as well, and it makes a ton of noise snapping on the top of the water. Unless I'm Punching, or using a spinning set up it's Fluoro for me as well! One thing that seems to make the line easier to use is "Reel Magic" spray, besides fishing almost everyday. 😉

Great tips guys

Great video. Never knew Braid sings to you.😄 Line type may be my most overlooked thing. Lipless season is upon us. We all know the virtues of the LV500. Would love to see a video on the differences of Lucky Crafts' different series of lipless and their uses. Have spent the last couple months getting my tackle where I want it. Now will concentrate on improving it in quality. THE HOOK UP TACKLE will hook me up on that!!!

Braid pros for me 1) Can respool lees often 2) No memory issues 3) Limited space on the kayak and can make less rods work for more things by changing leader size 4) More sensitive Cons 1) Breaking off and having to put on new leader 2) Apparently being noisy and scaring fish I’m curious if larger braid makes more noise than smaller diameter? I find braid under 40 pound digs like crazy

@ChronicalsofAl

Жыл бұрын

Skunko, My experience is that higher poundage braid is slightly louder , although it may only be that it's a lower pitched sound so it may just appear that way to me. Interesting question! Let's see if the boys respond

@jameslumpkins4609

9 ай бұрын

Fish still hit braid line noise or not it's the bait there after not the line I catch fish all day on straight braid people male up all this stuff about scaring fish but I catch them all day on braid

Great video guys! I like the info on the A-rig, great point to think about with the line causing vibration. I’m curious about the Chatter bait on braid being a terrible choice for it. Over the years braid to leader has been the best choice for the chatter bait for me, I catch piles of fish every year on the chatter bait and I have an amazing hookup to land ratio. I can only think of one fish I’ve lost on the chatter bait in the last couple years. That fish exploded in a run straight at me and the rod never had a chance to load up and I couldn’t catch up to her to get a good hookset.

I’m old old school. Berkeley Trimax Gold 14# mono. Or 20lb Trimax clear for Carolina Rig. That’s Bens favorite. Great vid. Get one of us old pros to come do vid on Mono. Mike V.

Great Vid, sooo much info that all makes sense. Based in the UK I'd say 90% of people use braid as opposed to straight fluoro. From my pov I'm 50/50, sometimes its braid to leader sometimes its straight fluoro and sometimes its co-poly (trout). 90% of my fishing is bottom contact in 2>5ft using 0.75>3g weights lures so I'm a full BFS guy (just dont get on with spinning reels) so my go to is light braid (under 8lb) but more recently Ive been fishing straight 3lb fluoro with the same if not better results as I can feel bites in windy conditions. Anyway....your vid has given me loads of food for thought. 👍

Im out for big perch on canals this has helped me cheers subbed.

Thank you for opening my eyes Ben!!

Great video. Ben, i would love to see a guided video of your store. I live in South Africa and my local fishing shop do not have nearly enough options as you have in your store. It looks amazing from your intro.

Very informative video. You guys may have thought it was just a couple guys BS'ing over a beer, but it was very educational. Good job

I never thought about the sound braid makes.....but God damit, that makes sense. Explains a couple things for me. Thanks!!

well I am "that guy in florida" and I run 100% braid.. braid to mono leader on trebles bait (never fluoro leader always mono! unless it's under 10lbs leader). glidebaits/swimbaits 80lb-65lb braid to 6' to 8' 20lb-30lb mono leader. A-rigs 50lb braid to 8' 20lb mono leader (also all weedless ewg rigged swimbaits on all my a-rigs). Spinnerbaits/chatterbaits/buzzbaits, 30lb-50lb braid to 6'-7' 17lb-20lb mono leader, t Topwater/jerkbaits/crankbaits 30lb braid to 6'-7' 12lb-17lb, mono leader. Texas rig/senkos/jigs/swimjigs/ 30lb-50lb straight braid. Frogs/punching 50lb-65lb straight braid. only fluoro i own is for leader on my spinning rods that hardly even make onto my boat. I haven't spooled a baitcaster with fluoro in about three years.. that being said most of my water isn't clear (but some is super clear) and deep here is anything below 10'. in fact there are only a couple lakes I fish the get below 15' in the DEEP hole (and I fish big lakes. not ponds).. and almost ever cast is around/through/over vegetation/wood (sometimes gators), and most of the is on the heavy side. most of my glidebait fishing is super clear water but in 1'-3' of water. also I do admit that you have to change the action of the rods and how you play the fish (if their not in 100lbs of hydrllia) to make all that braid work. their are areas in florida that do have a lot more deep crankin and other deep water techniques, but I fish there so rarely that I just put on a long lighter leader. Still love all the info you dropped! I just happened to be that (florida man)... haha cheers!

Dood...Thanks for the "Master Class of Master Classes". I initially clicked the YT thumb out of my recommended, thinking oh, cool...another line debate for background noise while I shop...not so much! Great new info to me, especially noisy braid, and the new Japan braids that sink with a FC rof. Also thanks for a reason to crack a cold one, and get totally geeked on a line seminar with beer!

Good stuff!.....Thank you!!!

Break it down about the braids. Floating, slow sink and sinking. Please show the brand or brands.

@BN-cp6fw

Жыл бұрын

Schnell!

Great info in this video. Line is one of the most maddening topics. Question for you is about using backing. Some of these lines are expensive. Does it make sense to use backing? What would you suggest? How much backing would you use, 10%, 25%, more? Any help is appreciated.

good info. Not sure about FC not being stretchy though. Every kind I've tried stretches just about as much as mono for me. The best part about you guys is you usually say if it's working for you don't change. I fish so differently from you style, all braid to leader except frogs. I use 20, 30, 40, 50lb braid and don't have any issues. The occasional line dig after setting the hook on a fish never bugs me, I just make a quick cast to clear it. Tried straight FC, but couldn't enjoy it. Also costs too much to change it out for me. Maybe if I owned a tackle shop I'd feel differently about changing it out. haha

Wow amazing video, just took my line knowledge to a whole new level, would you suggest an extra long leader for a spin setup to reduce the noise issue? Thanks again for the content, I’m a big fan all the way from Australia.

I think that in situations where people are lake fishing a traditional highland reservoir it is always better to fish fluoro, although a pond or grass fisherman will end up using braid to leader because getting fish up and out of cover is critical. More parabolic rods with braid reduce the likelihood of losing fish drastically but those same rods don’t transition to fluoro too well unless they’re already heavier rods. I think that under ideal circumstances anglers would have set ups for lakes and set ups for grass fisheries where there isn’t much overlap so that each thing is maximized in its respective area. I could probably go further but I think the idea is there. 😅

You touched on it very briefly at the end but I really believe in the "tuning" aspect of various lines. The fact that you can literally change action/power of a rod with line choice could be a topic for an entirely different video.

Great video on line I use Daiwa J braid and J fluorocarbon for most of my stuff . I wish Daiwa made a sinking braid.

Once I started learning about braid a cpl yrs ago I instantly put it on the wife’s and kids rods they give me a headache already that’s one less thing I have to worry about lol although at times they still manage to get knots in it

Thank you for this video. I would love to see what braid (in different colors) v fluorocarbon line underwater.. video idea??

I use braid for most applications. Fluoro on my ultralite set up, copolymer on my jerkbait set up. I don't use a leader with braid, never had.

💯 90% is p-line cxx or flor-clear and braid for fliping /top water here in sw fl . As for spinning 0 issues with 12lb flor-clear besides I can’t see it lol 😂

Personally I always use braid to fluorocarbon on Mono leader with leader length depending on situation and it works great however I use straight braid on pitch and flipping setups, but I will use a crazy long leader on certain things and I ALWAYS use an FG knot braid to leader and ALWAYS use a double pitzen to connect to the lure

So much info in this I had to stop 1/2 way through and give my poor brain a rest.

Great video Ben...how can you tell if a broad sinks (before buying). I did notice my 8lb seems to Float which I assume is causing a big bow in my line in the water..not ideal for feeling a ned rig

Thank you for all the info on this. I still only use co poly on my big baits with treble hooks and if it ain’t broke don’t fix it like you said. I can’t afford to lose big 250$ swim baits and that extra stretch I feel helps me not break off and stay loaded up. when I was straight flouro I would break off more. Obviously there are more cons floats/stretch but the pros I can afford to re-spool every time out

@B.A.Bassangler

Жыл бұрын

Love my copoly too. P-Line in mist-camo is my go-to for UL to ML spinning.

Ben when you said fishing with braid and shift casts to hard casts and getting the braid to cut in and stop your bait in mid air. I've been fighting that for so long and I thought it was me. Dude mind!🤯

Braid to mono 90 % of the time. Gives some shock relief. Floro leaders in ultra clear water.

Guys this was very informative and thought pervoking!!!! What are your thoughts and experience using some of the line conditioners out there. I feel I have experienced some benefits with memory and casting improvement when spraying a shot our two on my line the night before I go fishing. I have used Ike`s Feel Snot and also I get Feel Magic at Wal-Mart.

Mono still has it’s uses. For bass fishing I’d say braid and floro are far superior, I always fish bass using braid mainline with a floro leader. But, I always use mono when fishing for other species. Mono still has it’s application, just not in the big bass world right now.

I wish this video was around when I started fishing. It’s like a lifetime of trial and error in a 45 minute video 😂

Hey, great video. One question, I fish a shallow river (heavy current and rapids) about 5 feet deep at most for smallmouth. I use a lot of bottom contact like tubes and a lot of moving baits like small swim baits and flukes all on a bait caster. I usually fish a braid to fluoro leader but am wondering if I should switch to straight fluoro. What do you think? Thank you

I like the Ohero brand of braid on my spinning reels.

FANTASTIC VIDEO. **Two questions** 1. Have you used spiderwire ultracast invisi-braid in white? Is it truly less visible underwater than other braids even in white? 2. Looking for a great spinning big jig rod+reel. Live in WA state very clear water most of time. Can you provide a good model as well as which lines you would rig it with as well as size action etc? I was thinking a lavante with vanford or zodius with a vanford. Any advice would be great thanks.

@bitchass350

9 ай бұрын

Best braid for spinning reels is "Berkley Fireline" in my opinion, I won't even use a spinning reel if it has any other line on it. Holds no memory, no line twist and it's made specifically for spinning reels..Best I've found, but I haven't tried alot of these new Japan lines...

The sound of braid, and the types of braid from floating, neutral, and sinking, are things I’ve never really considered. Learned a shit ton from this vid. I’ve always liked heavy braid for froggin, but I’ve never tried 70 or 80 lb. I’ll have to give it a try. With bfs shit and finesse spinning gear, I’m rolling braid to leader.

I've been using 30lb braid for frogging but now I have to try heavier braid. I always figured that I didn't need heavier braid because I'm not fishing really thick cover but now I need to see the difference for myself.

Thanks for the video! I’ve been using Sunline FX2 for frogs & top water. How does it compare to Daiwa Samurai braid?

After using super slick v2 for years, I thought I was upgrading when I bought some xplasma. 30lb sounded like a bandsaw through my guides. I'll never leave v2 again.

Great video...I would like to run a scenario by you...and wanted to see what your thoughts are and advice: I typically fish with my dad a lot and we fish in rivers in Florida that typically have smaller forage so I have had a lot of luck catching bass in these rivers on the rapala original floating minnow in the F7 size(1/8 ounce). I really am not super comfortable with a spinning combo, what kind of line would you recommend on a baitcaster? Thanks.

I will say on the topic of reaction baits on spinning gear, for bass it's a little weird but throwing smaller reaction baits for trout (with your Megabass Great Huntings, Duo Spearhead Ryukis/Rozantes/Realis Minnow 80SPs) is perfect for spinning and with 100% fluoro. Although there is BFS for that too so maybe it's still weird 🤣

I am so sad they stopped making Defier D-Braid; it was the best

Yup don’t fix what’s not broken lol for me I honey don’t mind either but I mostly go with braid to leader because I’m on the bank so I get that little extra distance but I do have two reels with fluoro for cranking that I don’t do much of lol or for clear water here in pa we have a lot of clear water

I really like the Defier D-Braid but it only comes in lighter sizes. Is there another braided line that has that same neutral density property to it that comes in heavier sizes?

What do you think of the Samurai Fluorocarbon I see they have it in a camo as well

After watching a few of your videos and testing the products you suggest, I believe that you know what the F you are talking about 🤣. I SUBSCRIBED and if I ever make it your way, I will pay you a visit. Thanks for the great videos.

Hey I have a question, about how much 65lb braid will fit on a 200 size casting reel? I know there are a ton of different factors like different manufacturers of line and reels but just a ball park figure would be greatly appreciated

What sunline braid line would you recommend for top water lures?

Ok here is still my question. Sunline makes a copoly/mono that is designed for crank baits. Sure sounds like if you wanted to use, say, the MadBull for literally all moving baits, just throw it on 12-14# sunline defier/armilo?

I bought a whole spool 660 yards of FC sniper and it had kinks all through it. I tried emailing them and they responded once after that they quit responding. I wanted to return it what was left because it just keeps snapping at the kinks won’t buy it again. I guess I will have to try another brand

Any idea when the new Sunline D braid is coming out? The target date on their web page was January 2024.

You mentioned that the FX2 Braid is a fast sinking braid. Why does Sunline advertise it as a flipping AND frogging line, do you want sinking for frogging? Thanks!

Ben your right , use what works for you. I’m old school and have used STREN mono since the late 1970s . I’ve played with Floro and Braid. And I found that the STREN just works well and holds knots , cast, lands fish. That’s all I need. It’s cheap enough I change out my line frequently. Dig your show

@castandchill

Жыл бұрын

even for bottom baits ? no problem with sensitivity or stretching on hard hook sets ?

@brianwilson4184

Жыл бұрын

Fish Free Rig a lot with 14# mono haven’t had any problems. Throw a lot of Top Water & Squarebills on 10# to 14# also. But back in the day when Flipping 1st got going , I would use 20 to 25# test back then. I don’t have a lot of heavy cover where I fish. Mostly open water and some Rip Rap. Stretch I do have some especially on long hook sets. Sensitivity I would think I loose some , but I count on the quality of my rods sensitivity. The Mono just works well for me . I’ve used it for well over 40 yrs. But I do change out my line frequently. Just works for me.

@lanceaineyfishing

6 ай бұрын

It’s hard to step away from what you’re used to, isn’t it? I’m the same way with braid to a leader. It’s what I’ve been using for years and it’s what works for me.

Braid or fluro for jig fishing clear water shallow (1-8ft) weeds?

What kind of sound, do you think the umbrella rig makes?

Braid is more sensitive when on a taught line...line density transmits vibrations better when slack.

What line do you use on big swimbaits?

So if you don’t have multiple rods and reels, which line would be best?

Thoughts on Sufix 131 with 13 strands?

In mono there is no “core” with a coating. It is extruded as a single strand from melted polymers.

What braid do you consider the best? Most specifically in the 30-50 lb test?

@janderson7681

Жыл бұрын

Really depends on technique - but in general I fish a ton of suffix 832 for general purpose and price. 131 is a nice step up, but not necessary. If you’re fishing certain techniques in grass a 4 carrier like Power Pro Maxcuattro can be a huge benefit. Ben openly admits here that he “wishes they wouldn’t make braid in 30, 40, and 50lb test” so he’s probably not the best guy to answer your question.

Do you think Braid would be perfect for baits that create loud noises and vibration? For instance, like bladed jigs

@jameslumpkins4609

9 ай бұрын

Braid good for anything water clarity determines everything more clear then flouro or mono better

Berkley Vanish Floroucarbon

I’ve never heard of a nylon line’s core. Everything I’ve read is that the line itself is made of mono, not material wrapped around a nylon core

After fishing with braid I can't go back to mono or Flouro. I've become so accustomed to it's sensitivity when I've tried fishing straight Flouro or mono again it feels like I'm fishing with a rubber band. it drives me insane. Braid to leader is the only way to go for me. I can change leader size, length and material very quickly to adapt to the situation at hand. I can change to mono for top water, Flouro for clear water or hard cover where I need the extra abrasion resistance. Mono has an average of 30% stretch and Flouro is about 15% when you think of it in simple math you have anywhere from 15' to 30' feet off stretch for every 100' of line. How many bites are people missing with that much stretch in their line. At the end of the day fish what works just as you said.

I actually found i get way more bites using just straight braid, mind you I fish a lot of stained water. I switched to fluoro this year and I got half as many fish

Have you tried walking baits with straight braid but with bobber stops to keep the line from fouling. Especially the clear stops

@nateriley4067

Жыл бұрын

I use two bobber stops in front of my bait, the second bobber stop about one to two inches in front of the first bobber stop. This prevents the line getting fouled up in the treble hooks or especially if there's a propeller in front . I haven't used any clear bobber stops, but that's a good idea. Where do you get them? Personally, I like 6th Sense's bobber stops the best.

@Roboworm99

Жыл бұрын

@@nateriley4067 6th sense, eco pro and a JDM brand I think decoy. I’ve also used thin tubing with a stop. Yes prop baits as well

@nateriley4067

Жыл бұрын

@@Roboworm99 I was looking at the Decoy bobber stops (I'm a JDM freak). The comments mention a poor design with having 2 bobber stop pegs per loop and saying the loop closed up after getting the first peg on. Basically, they couldn't get half the bobber stops on their line. Did you have any problems like that? Thanks for your first comment. The thin tubing is a great idea.

@Roboworm99

Жыл бұрын

@@nateriley4067 No problem. I’m not 💯 they were decoy. I’ve used so many lol

I thought I heard awhile back not to tie a palimar knot with fluorocarbon because it snaps at the knot. Anyone have any thoughts on that?

@rodrigoelgu

Жыл бұрын

That is true, use the double pitzen knot for flouro

Haven't found a fluorocarbon I like. Help me out

Fishing line may be the single most confusing thing In fishing. Over the years it has determined the types of rods and reels we use. There has been so many confusing marketing gimmicks also that have been used. I use all the different lines but to be honest I am starting to lean more to going back to an old coal polymer line And still catching as many fish At a lesser cost to me. I do feel sorry for anyone who puts Floral carbon on a spinning real. That is highway robbery on the part of the people recommending it.

12# assassin over 12# sniper all day...14# sniper for 3/8oz-1/2oz chatters all day long. 30# sx1 braid for swimjigging grass and pads because it saws through; do want to run xplasma for this just to see. 12# assassin on a medium+ for qtr oz swimjigs; 14# sniper for 3/8 oz swimjigs on a MH because of the stretch on sniper. 8-10# xplasma to fluoro leader(fc leader) all day for spinning setups or defier as well for the shallow spools. i always try to get away with the lightest line on any technique as much as possible due to better lure action and longer casts. CJ makes a great point about many overcompensating with rod size and power with regard to line used. did i miss the line conditioner mention for fluoro in here? how'd i do? @Ben...i run qtr oz to 5/16oz swimjigs....65-70# braid?...i mean i'm curious...to the point of trying this.

The way I see braid is the diameter to fluorocarbon diameter so if I am throwing 15 lb Fluor. Get 15 lb diameter braid which maybe 50 lb braid.

Braid for lures, mono or fluro for everything else (except fly 🙄).

I can’t take the digging of braid on the spool . Also Sounds like my guides are being sawed . FC PLEASE!

Yes braid will dig into itself at smaller diameters. Even 30ib will dig itself. But going up to those 65-70ib braid, you still lose casting distance just as you do with floro/mono when you increase line diameter. Its just not as drastic of a difference in distance when going up in diameter with braid in comparison to mono/floro.