How to Capture Indigenous Authenticity in Media | Feat. Angelique Midthunder

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So you can skip around:
00:00-01:17 - Intro
01:18- 02:57 - Native THEMED vs Native RUN Projects
02:58- 05:56 - Industry Factors
05:57-09:09 - Industry Examples
09:10-15:00 - DARK WINDS & the Navajo Language
15:01- 21:47 - KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON
21:58- 25:43 - Killers of the Flower Moon vs BONES OF CROWS
25:44- 36:11- SOLUTIONS
36:12- 42:09 - Netflix's REZ BALL
42:10-44:08- TAIKA WATITI & Others
44:09- 44:45- Outro
This is a long one, and I repeat alot of things. That's on purpose to really drive home certain points. I hope this video works a bit as a guide and spark more conversations about indigenous representation and industry standards.
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  • @Red.Rabbit.Resistance
    @Red.Rabbit.Resistance11 ай бұрын

    I am Anishinaabe First Nations Native, i am starting my own channel as we speak! I have been an artistic director for 20 years and i hope to share all kinds of resources for people. Its nice to find you.

  • @Toon_Pirate
    @Toon_Pirate11 ай бұрын

    I'd love to see some Indigenous Fantasy. There are already several Role Play systems designed by Indigenous creators for diverse settings: Exceptionals by Bramble Wolf Games (Super hero/Marvel-ish), and Coyote and Crow (Science Fantasy). Give us all the genres!

  • @witchdoctor1394

    @witchdoctor1394

    11 ай бұрын

    Coyote and Crow shout out! Thanks for the tip on Exceptionals. I'll have to check it out!

  • @arcanaandtheimaginarians
    @arcanaandtheimaginarians7 ай бұрын

    THANK FUCK there's finally an indigenous owned channel who discusses these things, as a native creative who eventually hopes to bring up these topics eventually in my videos. I NEVER see native owned channels like this and our stuff are usually just either entirely ignored or we're used as talking points or as a backdrop for otherwise nonnative stories.

  • @squallthegriever
    @squallthegriever11 ай бұрын

    Im Salvadoran American, parents are central american but... im happy to see shows like RD make it and get love from everyone. Love your videos btw bro

  • @l.ellei.sorensen4121

    @l.ellei.sorensen4121

    7 ай бұрын

    I can imagine what your country and its history would reveal.

  • @therealthejrawlz
    @therealthejrawlz11 ай бұрын

    Great video, I love how they were able to know how to cast non-actors because they knew exactly what they were looking for and were already familiar with the places they were casting from. Native Run projects feel so much more authentic because you simply can't replicate that knowledge and connection, and I really hope we start getting more Native A-listers as well to be a box office draw

  • @stephanieellison7834

    @stephanieellison7834

    11 ай бұрын

    You can't replicate knowledge and connection - there's no substitute for EXPERIENCE, LIVING IT. 🙏🏼

  • @tecpaocelotl
    @tecpaocelotl11 ай бұрын

    Sadly, most indigenous representative shows are being canceled or going to end. Those who are writings and directors: keep that native representatives be in the mainstream. Funny thing (and sad thing) about Apocalypto is it copied from a better film called In Necuepaliztli in Aztlan (Return to Aztlan), but instead of Maya, it's Aztec. Then you have Santo Luzbel, which has comporary Nahuas. There's Erendira Ikikunari, which is mixed between historical and oral tradition.

  • @GabrielTheMagolorMain
    @GabrielTheMagolorMain7 ай бұрын

    I knew about Killers of the Flower Moon because of the book and it made me soooo frustrated we weren’t taught more in school. Really glad the story is getting more reach. Been binging your channel, so insightful and interesting, thank you!

  • @debtraveltohi6817
    @debtraveltohi68177 ай бұрын

    I’ve been enamored with Native Americans since I was a child living in Rennerdale, Pa. As a kid I played in deep woods, we kids found what we called, “the old barn.” Inside we’re hanging still on walls horse harnesses, & a lot of other material. No home existed on the site, but 2 graves were there as well. We collected so many artifacts from Native American arrow tips as well as a partial bow. We played there for years. Pitt University somehow found out about,”the old barn, & came to collect everything we had. I’ve loved going to pow-wows and have such grace given to the most beautiful of humans. They’d never had done to our earth what we’ve done. Shameful, isn’t it?

  • @thedesertwarrior7447
    @thedesertwarrior744711 ай бұрын

    How many have read "The Deaths of Sybil Bolton" © 1995 by Dennis McAuliffe? Dennis McAuliffe is the grandson of an Osage woman whose death was deemed "medical," then deemed a "suicide by a gunshot to the chest." In short, she was a victim of the Osage murders. What bothered me about an otherwise good book, Dennis McAuliffe ACTIVELY perpetuated the "drunken Indian" stereotype, thereby overshadowing what his Grandmother suffered. David Grann wrote the new foreword to "The Deaths of Sybil Bolton." The fact that "Killers of the Flower Moon" was made into a movie seems to imply that the book told the story better than the one written by... the Osage descendant of an actual Osage victim of the horrors that were never truly solved. Linda Hogan wrote "Mean Spirit," which was VERY loosely based on the Sybil Bolton story, but honestly missed the mark on historical events... deliberately. Why? I have no idea. Still, if non-Indigenous people want to understand our perspectives, ask us, and let US tell our stories. ~An Old Apache Woman

  • @Ricart0713
    @Ricart071311 ай бұрын

    Man! I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS !!!! 👍🏽👍🏽 I LOVE AND RESPECT YOUR PERSPECTIVE ABOUT NATIVE FILMING…. 🙏🏽❤️🦅🐺

  • @indigenoustruthspeaker3129
    @indigenoustruthspeaker312911 ай бұрын

    😊 thank you for inspiration for me to continue making dream native American zombie film 🎥

  • @zt3823
    @zt382311 ай бұрын

    I can't wait for Killers of the Flower Moon with Leonardo DiCaprio and Martin Scorsese. I just have faith in those two that they'll be respectful. I love history so I like watching historical movies about us but I also think not everything about us has to be leather and feather. I'm half Native(Ponca) I remember I was telling my stepdad as a teen, who was Cherokee and Creek, that Hollywood sounded like a kool place to be and he told me, "If you don't cut that long hair you will never be in any movie except for leather and feather films." I always hated that, I thought why do we have to make ourselves look like Caucasians just to be represented in modern times. I still really enjoy Hollywood films and I think we'll have our days in the sun again with good industry films and indies. Hopefully haha ✌🏽

  • @PlannedObsolescence

    @PlannedObsolescence

    10 ай бұрын

    I don't know if I really like the term "Caucasian". The overwhelming majority of my ancestors were from Europe, not the Caucasus Mountains region.

  • @zt3823

    @zt3823

    10 ай бұрын

    @@PlannedObsolescence Anglo-Saxon might be the only term left, if not Caucasian. What would you call yourself honestly, I'm curious

  • @zt3823

    @zt3823

    10 ай бұрын

    If you're a descendant of European immigrants and you don't like the word Caucasian I am curious as to what you would prefer... I could see some people saying just American but then would we as Native Americans not just be Americans; why must we have the prefix in our own land I see Caucasian on the check boxes at the doctor's office and other things all the time and I wish we didn't have to fill those out, most the time I don't mark the correct one on purpose; but having some Small European blood myself I wonder what term I should use to describe that, I am sorry if this pondering out loud offends, but Caucasian is all I've been taught other than "white" but I guess Anglo-American would be the perfect word to describe descendants of Europeans

  • @laurajarrell6187
    @laurajarrell618711 ай бұрын

    NMT, great review of standards and all. I'm curious about the film Killers of the Flower Moon. I got the book when it first came out as our friend right then is Osage, her father made a lot, and she's in her 70s. She, when I mentioned it to her, absolutely would not talk about it. So, I could ask no questions. As for native languages, I hope the media can help preserve them. I, non native, really prefer the authentic (as much as possible) in all of media. LOL, I loved your 'it's very indigenous'! I think everyone is interested in seeing native stories, modern and historical. No one I know of want another 'Kung Fu' experience. Oh, you're too young for that! Back in the 70s, in my early teens, Kung Fu came on TV on Thursday nights. But I was a huge Bruce Lee fan, and they gave it to David Carradine! I felt I was the only one who knew, because I knew Lee had shopped the story. (But it was still good, just not fair) Anyway, great video. I love how objective you are! 👍💙💖🥰✌

  • @heidistandell9496
    @heidistandell94966 ай бұрын

    I'm glad you brought up Canadian films. There is a lot going on here in the North- Blood Quantum, which you mentioned, and a lot of actors in Rez Dogs are from Canada: Devery Jacobs, Paulina Alexis, D'pharaoh woon-a-tai, Sarah and Jessica Podemski, Gary Farmer, Tiio Horn (Deer Lady), Graham Greene. I'm happy to see people I know in US productions, but too bad good native Canadian produced films, esp. if they don't pretend to be in the USA, often get overlooked. Jessical Matten from Dark Winds, Michael Greyeyes in Blood Quantum is from Canada. Tantoo Cardinal, first famous for Dances with Wolves, along William Belleau are both in Killers of the Flower Moon, Tiio Horn (Deer Lady), for example is well known for her role as Tanis in Letterkenny and a producer on Shoresy (Harlan Blayne Kytwayhat( from Prey) -- both series available on Hulu -- has an upcoming film she wrote and is directing (Seeds). I hope her work on Rez Dogs gets her a wider audience. I liked Slash/Back, not a huge production but it takes place in the very far north and is a genre sci fil alien film, the actors all local kids. I think the Canadian series "Little Bird" is available on PBS in the US, as is Three Pines on Amazon, the latter not First Nations produced but starring some recognizable (to me) First Nation actors (including Tantoo again, she's busy lately, recently appeared in Falls Around Her as well), has one season on Amazon, still hoping for a second. If you get a chance to see "Trickster", watch it. Fully Native production except the showrunner turned out to be a Pretendian....wish the author of the books had gone with another director, but I think she was heartbroken as were a lot of people. But definitely worth a watch! Not sure if you can access APTN in the US, but probably can watch their documentaries on KZread if not the tv shows.

  • @brandyjean7015
    @brandyjean701511 ай бұрын

    Mentoring is such an important component to success.

  • @jaredwildbill911
    @jaredwildbill91111 ай бұрын

    With how I see it, KOTFM is gonna have a impact on both native themed and ndn runned movies/shows. Wether behind the scenes, or how the mainstream sees us and all of every tribe's history. Worse case: it still make non natives/ndn's who don't know of this still read the book and look up the stories. Best case: it becomes a blueprint(for the mainstream) on how to handle bringing in natives on projects for the story and for the people the story it's about. And the industry not having a 'these natives or no natives' attitude towards us and the story that's being made. overall just hoping that the mainstream get with the times and not relying on how ndn movies back in the 90s were handled or be the first thing to come in mind when talking native movies. Plus someone look at PNW's stories and see something there as someone from Umatilla rez. And lastly, A another area that could be explored is ndnizing animation. 🤷🏽

  • @zt3823

    @zt3823

    11 ай бұрын

    This may sound dorky but I wouldn't mind seeing that Native anime movie about the horse, Spirit, be made into a live action, but handled by Natives like Prey!

  • @Rreinholdt
    @Rreinholdt11 ай бұрын

    Another amazing video, thank you for putting this out there.

  • @DuckDeadly
    @DuckDeadly11 ай бұрын

    This was a great watch. As far as gaming goes, we have John Romero. Who would've thought one of the biggest games of all time that defined a genre was designed by a native dude?

  • @IronCurtaiNYC

    @IronCurtaiNYC

    11 ай бұрын

    You're right! He's part Yaqui and Cherokee! This makes me think even higher of him!

  • @ctheo2020
    @ctheo20209 ай бұрын

    🔥 Y E S ....Great video! I worked in the film/television industry for 16 years as an editor + a scripty (I left in 2016). To see the Native representation taking hold is relieving, to say the least. Keep going, make your own shit, use every platform you can. Take it over. p.s. Can you please share where you found this Taika interview? Thank you!

  • @nuwunative928
    @nuwunative92810 ай бұрын

    #native #native🪶 #viral #news #indigenous #nativeamerican #nativepride #landback🪶

  • @stephanieellison7834
    @stephanieellison783411 ай бұрын

    The issue with the "Native-themed" movies is that the actors end up being "movie coolies" - they don't own the intellectual property on these movies. They make the movies, but they don't own them. We have the same problem with Indian software engineers and coders - they make the programs, but the white westerners end up owning the works. It's like bricklayers who don't own the houses they build. THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO, which is the idea behind "coolieship" - you're not supposed to own anything you make for the White Man. You see, he still considers himself the sole rightful owner of works, and if he finds out he isn't, he'll find a way to deprive you of it, like buying you out or waiting until you are at the end of the rope and you have to sell it to him. We've had a very famous brand of Indian comic books, Amar Chitra Katha (Eternal Picture Stories), taken over by some western media outfit, and sometimes, we see issues that are basically gaffs, like an issue on Mother Theresa, issues that glorify Mughal invaders or sweep under the rug issues of colonialism, or Muslim "freedom fighters" who were really concerned about European invaders interrupting their rule over the dharmi locals (Hindūs, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, etc.). Sikh Comics tends to have a denigrating perspective on Hindūs, stemming possibly from Khalistanism, which is a poison introduced by Abrahamic outsiders used to try to kill the tree of dharma that our branches come from. Real Sikhs will not side with Khalistanis. I have a HUGE problem with books written by people like Hillerman and Grann - they filch off the Native theme with no compensation to the Natives. They romanticize the Native way of life (because it's a remembrance of their own pre-Christian past in Europe that was destroyed when Christianity became self-aware in Syria and conquered Europe). It's a way to imagine what their own lives would have been like had they stayed Native in Europe. I call this the White Man's Search for the Native Way, as we have been lost for 1900 years, depending on where our ancestors came from. The catch is, there is often a western/Christian layer that runs underneath it all, and you have to be alert to catch it mid-sentence or mid-paragraph. I try to find books written by NATIVE authors only. I want to support these authors, give them a fighting chance. A danger that we run into with these Native-themed movies is that the White Man is given a prominent role while the Native is given a museumizing role, in which the Native is museumized, shown as belonging to the past. This is what the White Man is trying to do to Indians and their dharmic cultures still existing in India. We're working on stopping this process against us Hindūs in particular. One of the things I see here is the making of movies with high profile INDIAN actors (there really isn't anyone else we need to do the movies, THOUGH we do tend to see more light-skinned Indians in prominent roles than darker ones), such as RRR, The Kashmire Files, The Tashkent Files, Kantara, The Kerala Story, and dozens of others. "Indigenize genres." DAMN! I have an idea. Why not indigenize the apocalypse genre? This time, showcase a historic shift in power, decision-making, commerce, and influence in the Americas after the White Man's fall. The surviving white people relocating back to their ancestral homelands while the Natives become used to having their lands once again. The transition from a present society destroyed by a global war to one that makes sense in the absence of manufacturing capacity and the use of available, scavengeable man-made things. Determining what to do with nuke plants, weapons, radioactive materials, etc. left over after the war. The deconstruction of western civilization and the disposal through elemental deconstitution of man-made objects prior to returning to the ground and burial forever. How Native society changes from a disadvantaged position to a fresh start to rebuild their societies. This would be opposite to the typical white-man apocalypse perspective of "SHTF". These Native movies would be imbued with optimism, a hope for a real future that is spiritual, much closer to the earth. I hope someone takes this last paragraph and RUNS with it!

  • @TheNugettinage

    @TheNugettinage

    11 ай бұрын

    Really interesting points, thank you for sharing! The one thing that I would add to is the way the past is treated within the western or white canon. For context, I am white (Finnish), and I am an archaeologist, so in many senses well entrenched within that canon myself, even if I try to broaden views of my own and others. There's a strong idea of "the past is a different country" that is common both for people who study the past and people who don't in the west, and it's this kind of thinking that the past is fundamentally different from the present in set ways. The thing I have found when researching the past is how similar the past is to today, in a weird sense being both more different and more similar than I expected. It's not that the present is same as the past for either the western canon or any other group, but that those differences, I would argue, are less drastic in the arenas we tend to think they are in, and not necessarily fundamental; that is to say, in most ways our society is no more different from the past than any other period was different from other periods. To link this to the idea of a pre-modern western past, like you refer to, it's very true that often times native people are seen as and portrayed as this idealized version, kind of am odernized version of the noble savage really. It's entrenched in this idea of primitivism that I would argue is very dominant in the west today, where history is seen as either progressing upwards or downwards from a shitty past or an idealized past to the idealized present or future or the shitty present or future. It's very easy to spot when you think of it; if someone speaks of the stone age, they talk of the brutality or difficulty of maintaining one's life. Further technological developments - technological developments only counting when they contribute to the perceived foundations of modern western lifestyles, and the technological developments that were a part of different modes of organization generally discounted - are seen as always unequivocally in the long term improving people's condition. This is not based on fact; and in fact the past can be seen as a fluctuation of quality of life (examined through proxies of course; quality of nutrition, access to social structures, the presence or lackthereof of oppressive structures, etc.) that is not deterministic in any real sense that would support this primitivist mindset. Often this is in archaeological theory called the "colonization of the past"; or it could be called the "pastization of the colonized" when done the other way (seen also in the "anthropological present", a very interesting tendency in anthropological ethnography!). So, long and admittedly rambling flow of thoughts ended, I would question whether or not the points you've pointed out are different from the past for the west to the degree you imply they are. As said, I agree that a lot of westerners/whites would perceive it like that, but I question whether that perception is based on a reality in that sense. We can definitley see a shift in economics and political structures with the emergence of capitalism, the shifts of christianity as you point out, and the spreading of industrialization, but are those changes fundamental to the degree we may often assume they are, or are they similar to shifts in the past? The degree to which the west is as unified as we often perceive it is also another thing to consider. Again, sorry for the rambling text, your comment just prompted a lot of thoughts :)

  • @stephanieellison7834

    @stephanieellison7834

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@TheNugettinage I would like to ask you to think about this... That it's not necessarily true that you and I are communicating like this through computers, video channels for the first time in Earth's history. This may have happened in the previous interglacial period prior to the Last Ice Age, and a major, destructive war broke out like it is likely to happen in our near future, and nuclear war or something similar may have trigged the Last Ice Age, and that gave the earth about 120,000 years to deal with the radiation so that it might have been reduced to "background radiation" in non-ionizing form (?). So hello again. How have you been in the last 150,000 years?? Did you enjoy your reincarnations?? We have to be mindful of the western (Christian) tendency to look at time as a linear thing, as though "human civilization did not exist before 6,000 years ago. Uh wait a minute. That's not right. I mean before 9,000 years ago. Uh, no. Come again? 9,000 years ago? Sigh, alright, 12,000 years ago?" How about the presence of people in India up to at least 45,000 years ago. It appears to be determined through the study of the astronomical visual observations and the lineup with the Hindū solar and lunar calendars INSIDE Hindū texts, as well as geographic/geological descriptions in them that the Mahābhārata War in India happened in 5561 BCE, and the Rāmāyaṇa war south of India happened at least 14,200 years ago. Based on descriptions of rivers and features of India in the Vedas, the earliest parts of the Vedas appear to have been first heard about 20-25k years ago.

  • @namedrop721

    @namedrop721

    7 ай бұрын

    1900 years? Half of Europe hasn’t been Christianized that long. Also, I’m mixed from 3 continents, where am I supposed to repatriate to? 😂 Is your white opinion gonna tell me? Is your Indian opinion gonna tell me? I don’t care what you are in the end, anyone from a single culture is locked into the mindset that we are separable. This is the problem with this level of thinking; you say some true things but the conclusions are nuts because your basic assumptions are off You can’t ‘rewind’ you can only try to learn from the cycle and restore.

  • @stephanieellison7834

    @stephanieellison7834

    7 ай бұрын

    @@namedrop721 that is correct. Eastern Europe resisted Christianization longer than the western part of it. You have a point - where would I repatriate to? Would I have a choice in the matter? Or would it be based upon your most dominant gene pool. I shudder to think about this because I am predominantly western Europe and then Russian/Tuvan. Those areas are hell. The comment I've made seems "off" to you because I am writing from a Hindū perspective and not a western perspective. You have to read what I say with an open mind and try to see how non-Europeans see you. Listen for once, please. Of course, you can't "rewind." This isn't rewinding, but trying to correct the wrongs of the past. REREAD the last paragraph. That is what I have learned from Natives who are looking to the future post-white-man.

  • @l.ellei.sorensen4121
    @l.ellei.sorensen41217 ай бұрын

    Love this!

  • @graveofmaeve
    @graveofmaeve10 ай бұрын

    Have you ever seen the movie called “Indian Horse” from 2017?

  • @l.ellei.sorensen4121
    @l.ellei.sorensen41217 ай бұрын

    Authenticity in MEDIA? Would you believe facts I lived through, I experienced based upon me, my looks...who I am without knowing anything about me? Try it!

  • @AT-AT-AT-AT
    @AT-AT-AT-AT5 ай бұрын

    same owners, new era.

  • @recycleme1224
    @recycleme122410 ай бұрын

    How can I see Bones of Crows?

  • @bmiles4131

    @bmiles4131

    7 ай бұрын

    Look it up and you can see how to watch it

  • @azdajajeanne
    @azdajajeanne4 ай бұрын

    It's not surprising to hear that the cast didn't have long to practice their Navajo, but it's still really frustrating! I'll omit the obvious reasons why, and skip to my opinion (excuse me on my nerd pedestal here): I just think that language...has the potential to be an important aspect of storytelling; of what makes film "art" rather than just "content". It's so disappointing that people [can] see that potential in Shakespeare, but completely miss out on all the _dimensions_ of expression available to us...just because they don't exist in English.

  • @l.ellei.sorensen4121
    @l.ellei.sorensen41217 ай бұрын

    Look at me. Would you believe what I can share with you as important? How will you trust me about my appearance, my life and my experiences as truthful historical meaningful importance surrounding your tribal communities or about any Native American Indigenous Tribes? Come on! Let's find out about you...?

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