Hope you guys enjoy this as much as I enjoy building it! Roof episode to come soon 😊

@jimbanda

12 күн бұрын

Looks great, how does our climate suit these frames and ply? Like moisture rot.

Best tutorial I’ve come across so far. Look forward to part three - Thanks

Great video. Exactly how I’m going to build my extension

Brilliant stuff!! Beautiful trees in your garden and a decent size.

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

This is great brother. Really practical. Thank you

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Great looking size workshop you've got there. Will be looking forward to all the jobs you'll get up to in there. 👍👍

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

Great series, I’m planning something similar for the summer so really looking forward to each episode

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

@IcenI_Koi

4 ай бұрын

Same here

Looking forward to seeing the final product

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Me too 😂👍

Come in handy this for my filter house/workshop/man cave. Thanks.

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

👍👍

As I don't have a garden I won't be doing any of this, BUT it's so interesting seeing it come together. You do pick your days Cameron, I fully expect the next episode to have twisters and a full on tornado in the background with cows flying through the air (a nod to the film Twister). Another cracking vid mate...Paul..

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Hey Paul. I know right! I seem to do things back to front with the weather 😂. Haha yeah a twister is the only weather we haven’t had lately!! Cheers

Brilliant

The best video to date on DIY garden building is very detailed and useful . This is the only video I have subscribed to so far. Please keep up the good work

@TheDIYGuy1

3 ай бұрын

Wow, thank you!

Awesome. Can't wait for the next ep. Keep up the good work 👍

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks! Will do!

Thank for the explanation of how to work out the wall heights - front to back - and the drop per metre to get a the correct drainage slope on the roof. Very, very helpful. Excellent video series all round. Keep up the top work. Subscribed😊

@TheDIYGuy1

3 ай бұрын

You are welcome! And thanks for the sub

You made a cracking job of that! Liked the built in sloping roof feature and the way you joined the long sides together. 👍👍👍

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it 👍

@Doug....

4 ай бұрын

@@TheDIYGuy1 I was well impressed to be honest. Any idea roughly of the timber costs for that. My 16ftx8ft shed is about £1400 to buy now.

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Cheers! Timber alone including roof was £1500. But this was trade price from MKM builders merchant. If you were to buy from the likes of wickes/b&q it would be considerably more

@Doug....

4 ай бұрын

@@TheDIYGuy1 Yes what i expected. But that is so much better than shiplap sectioned shed and you can insulate inside . Win win 👍👍

Brilliant - genuinely making me consider doing something like this myself

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Good for you 👍

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Good for you 👍

Love the speed and no nonsense approach. Cocked up with the 10 uprights @8mm though.. needed 11 uprights for that 80mm lift...no lift on the first one !! and I bet you would let the osb hang enough to cover the ends of the other walls too if you built it again ??

amazing video, very clear and ive watched a few of them as I am building a 30sqm 6x5 home office, the base is down and I'm about to start the build but glad I ,saw this before hand

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Glad it helped

Great job and great how to video looking forward to the rest to come

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

Superbly explained 👏👏❤️🇬🇧

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks

Just come across your channel, I can’t believe I’ve not seen it before. Working my way through your videos but really enjoying this series’s.

@TheDIYGuy1

2 ай бұрын

Welcome aboard!

Great space that will be mate looking fwd to the roof 👍

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Cheers! Coming soon

Brilliant video as usual

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks again!

What a fascinating video - I loved it thank you. You must have smashed maths at school! Your explanations are fantastic. Keep the videos coming please. A great journey to share. Cheers.

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks a lot

Proper planning......👌🏻

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks! That’s what it’s all about

@stephencave187

4 ай бұрын

​@@TheDIYGuy1 Does it make more work that osb comes in 1220mm widths but plasterboard is in 1200mm widths? (It is at Wickes anyway 🤷‍♂️) Trim osb 20mm to hit studs??

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely. If your OSB is 1220 then rip the 20mm off and your all good on those 400mm centres 👍

Great video and thank you for explaining everything is such detail 👍 I am about to start building my 8X6 garage. 🤞

@TheDIYGuy1

2 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful! All the best

@phildini4929

2 ай бұрын

Ref to the 1 degree cut. My side walls are 6 metres long, I presume the 1 degree cut with a 20mm drop per metre still applies?

Love this video ❤❤👏👏

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!!

Well done great video

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

Really loving the channel, planning on a similar smaller build myself

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Go for it!

Great video keep up the good work ❤

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! Will do!

Class as allways mate

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot 😊

Awesome video and Awesome channel - can't wait to see the roof on.

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot! Soon 😀

Looks great abs will be a brilliant Space

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks, it will!

Great video !!! thanks

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

👍👍👍.Thank you

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Welcome 👍

Great. Thx

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

You're welcome!

Good job pal

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

👍 ta

Great video 👍🏻

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

Great video as always :) What's your primary trade? and how did you do a handyman course or just learn this stuff on the job?

Great tutorial.

@TheDIYGuy1

3 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Fantastic build video just subscribed 👏 Im building mine over the next few months anyone local to dorset that is also building one fancy getting together maybe get-together and help on both jobs simultaneously as the wife is no good at lifting 😅

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the sub! All the best with yours

Here we go. Cheers

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

😊👍

Hi, great series so far. Any tips for garden rooms which wont have 90 degree corners? Making use of the most of my space I'll end up without any 90's unless I'm willing to waste a load of space.

Good stuff, I am waiting for it's finishing look, when you will set all in it.

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

You and me both! Cheers

Brilliant series of videos - very helpful! I’ve got an existing base with a 1930’s asbestos double garage on it. I’m thinking of knocking it down to build an office/studio. What size wood are you using for the walls?

Hi Cameron, came across your videos and absolutely loving them as I look to take on some jobs this year. I am looking at a smaller version of this for my own garden but a question I have if you could help. I already have solid and level decking which is actually on the top of slabbing, can I use the decking as the base or would you suggest pulling that up and using the slabbing? Then I assume I'd build a frame for the floor similar to your wall frame to lift it off the decking and place damp proof membrane on that then sit the walls on it? Keep up the great work and thanks for the Amazon link to some of your tools!

Good job 👍what thickness osb you used ? For outside corners for side walls I would do osb overlap of thickness of stud + osb. as you need cut narrow piece to cover timber .)1 joint covered plus extra tightening together🤷‍♂️

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks. This is 11mm osb on the walls.

Nice job, just coming to the end of my own (my wifes) studio build. Always interested how the real experts do it 😉... i documented my build on YT, i also used PVC cladding, looking forward to seeing your build progress 👍

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Nice work! Thanks a lot

Great video, how did you work out how much timber you needed to complete this? As I am looking to build one thisnsize in the future. Anynadvice would be brilliant.

Great detail on a good build. I bet those neighbours were fumin though 😂

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

They’ve not commented as yet. Thanks

Great video, well explained and filmed. When building my deck last year I used 345 to find square. If someone didn’t have large squares is that a method you’d use/recommend? *Edit - Just realised you covered that in the previous episode :)

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely 👍, 345 is something I often use. Thanks

Awesome vid for a newbie like me! Thanks for all of the detail. Question: why did you not have the OSB on the sides, overlap the 2x4s of the front and back walls at each of the corners?

@TheDIYGuy1

3 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it. No reason, just my preferred way of building. I put them bits of osb in afterward

I would be interested if you would show how to install a Workshop Consumer Unit Type A 3 Way if that is your intention. When you reach that stage in the build please great video.

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Yep it’s coming 👍

Perfect timing. I’ve just stated doing a garage conversion. Already taken a few tips from this. I’m Norwich based (I think you are to) where are you getting your timber from?

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Brilliant. I am on the outskirts of Norwich. I get all my materials from MKM builders merchants and sometimes wickes if I only need the odd bits.

Awesome video, will be going through the series. Do you have a rought cost for materials?

Should of done a 6 inch brick upstand around the perimeter to get the timber away from the ground...rain gives up splash which rots the bottom of timber buildings fast....other than that you're doing a good job 👍

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

The dpm will be folded up the side of the walls with a breathable membrane overlapping it. This is then clad. No rain or splashing will come in contact with the timber. This will all be shown in coming episodes.

Hi, great video and very helpful too,do you use ring nails for the frame or straight nails, I'm going to attempt the project myself and trying to get a list of materials together , 👍🏻

@TheDIYGuy1

2 ай бұрын

Straight for the frame 👍

Excellent video again Cameron. Quick question, what thickness OSB did you go for? Is it 11mm? Would that be the ideal thickness for flooring? I am building a lean to shed.

Hi can you put the board on the inside and the insulation on the out then the vapour barrier on the out then cladding

Great video mate. Quick question, when the rain runs down the outside, won’t it work its way in as it will be soaking the sides of the concrete pad? Will you fold the DPM up and clad over the top of it to avoid that?

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

The DPM will be folded up the walls with the breathable rhino vent membrane overlapping it. This will then be clad. There will be no issues with damp or water coming in contact with the walls. Thanks

Great work lads!! Will you be running water and power in as well?

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

That's the plan!

I would love this is my back garden, which areas do you cover mate?

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

I’m Norfolk based 😊

Loving this series!! Question: when you remove the shuttering - won’t the sand and MOT fall out? Or am I asking a stupid question?!? Thanks in advance!!

@TheDIYGuy1

14 күн бұрын

Thanks. Never been an issue for me when removing the shuttering. I just backfill against it and nothing falls away.

great progress on the workshop! Would it be better for those concrete screws to have a washer to hold the frame even more to the ground?

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks. These particular concrete screws have what dewalt call a ‘locking washer head’ so a washer isn’t necessary. If you take a look at the underside of the head on the video you can see this.

@corvi16

4 ай бұрын

@@TheDIYGuy1 perfect! Will give them a try someday

I'm looking to wire up my shed. Any chance you can do a video on it when you do it in here? Thanks

@ajayjust2626

4 ай бұрын

That would be a helpful video! I second this request 💪 ✌️

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

This is coming 👍

@JP_TaVeryMuch

4 ай бұрын

Start saving up for the armoured cable now!

@bazrat69

4 ай бұрын

@@TheDIYGuy1 legend

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Hah yeah!

I’m not sure if you’ve planned it but would you be able to do a breakdown in costs at the end?

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Sure will 😊

Probably one of the beat instruction videos I've watched and I've watched a lot. One question, I want to extend an already old shed but in great condition it's on concrete that needs resurfacing the wood in some areas needs some attention replacing etc... however I want to extend this shed, its 22.26 m² up to a drop in the garden patio which has a drop of around 10 inches I'm hoping to add joint straps (for a floating floor) from the original footing extend over the patio, the extention will be around 7.9 m² is this doable ? Thanks

@TheDIYGuy1

3 ай бұрын

Brilliant! The shed extension certainly sounds do able to me. There’s a lot of ways you could achieve the height difference to bring the floors level

nice project, what will you be cladding the exterior walls with?

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks. We are going to use ecoscape composite cladding

The channel is called "The DIY Guy", but he has more professional tools than a trades person 🙄😛🤣

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

😆 not enough!

Quality work mate👍🏻 Did you need planning permission for the build? I’m planning on something similar. Cheers

@TheDIYGuy1

3 ай бұрын

Thanks. Nope, it falls within the permitted development rules 👍

@midge486

3 ай бұрын

Brilliant mate, I think I should be ok too then👍🏻

Could you do a build cost at the end ? Would be helpful

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely 👍

@TheOffroader7458

4 ай бұрын

@TheDIYGuy1 Thanks, mate 👍

@michaelscheepers7968

3 ай бұрын

@@TheDIYGuy1can I ask what the cost for this stages cost was? I’m scoping my workshop/ entertainment area currently Thank you

How can you tell between the RWD and AWD physically from the outside if I was to be looking to buy one? Don’t want to trust an ad etc. Thank you!

Looking great Cameron. Clever way of calculating the pitch. Only difference I’d have made would have been to extend the osb at the bottom of the walls so it came below the slab and ensured any rainwater running down the wall couldn’t track under the bottom plate.

@TheDIYGuy1

3 ай бұрын

Thanks. Regarding the OSB. I’ve another way of solving any water/moisture issues which I’ll show in the next episode 👍

Your neighbours are going to love you....massive building and workshop noise......great videos though🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

😂😂 I know! Cheers

@JuiceBanger1

4 ай бұрын

is it going to shade out the chaps greenhouse....@@TheDIYGuy1

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

I don’t believe so. The elderly lady next door doesn’t use it.

Great video, 8am on day 1 was not 8am 😂

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

To be fair I don’t remember the precise time but I remember us starting around 8am

@sajulldin5147

4 ай бұрын

@@TheDIYGuy1 ignore me 😂, it said 8am, but video showed full sunlight. Looking forward to seeing the roof built.

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

👍👍

Great video again Cameron is the only difference between using nails and screws for the wall speed? Don’t have a nail gun wonder if it’s worth investing

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Thanks. Nails are faster but also have a better shear strength.

@Behindthedeskpod

4 ай бұрын

@@TheDIYGuy1 top man thank you!

@Behindthedeskpod

4 ай бұрын

Sorry Cameron one more question! Are you making double swing doors? Looking to do some myself so could be useful for me to wait and watch

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

No probs. I’m not, I was going to fit bifolds but have now decided to do a roller door instead.

@Behindthedeskpod

4 ай бұрын

Not a bad idea I will await your next update then 🙌🏽

How do you figure the 1 degree angle :)

sorry if you get asked this every other day, but what timbers are you actually using. I've seen different sizes of OSB and even the "2x4's" aren't actually 2 inches by 4 inches... I'm assuming they're 50mm x 100mm but when I search for that, I find timber that's actually 44mm or 45mm "finished". Again, sorry if these are noob questions, but I'm planning my own garden building and I need to get everything right so I don't f it up down the line. These videos are some of the absolute best videos out there on how to build a garden room, so I know whatever you say will be right. Thanks in advance.

@TheDIYGuy1

2 ай бұрын

Hi. For the walls I’m using 47x100mm.

@grim-upnorth

2 ай бұрын

@@TheDIYGuy1 thank you so much

Is there no sill plate or bolts imbedded in concrete?

👍

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

👍💪

Good way to square the two walls is to measure the first length and x² then measure the second length and x² add them both together and square root the total. It will give you a measurement across corners. 👍

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

👍

@datderpa9499

4 ай бұрын

Or use 3 4 5

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely

@mrturnbull9504

4 ай бұрын

​@@datderpa9499I thought the same but no this guy's way is great for more accuracy on a structure this way with no up and down ladders and perfect for the roof...learn something new everyday thank you 🙏

@johnharris-qr9jj

3 ай бұрын

Does using osb on the outside of the wall negate the need for noggins ?. Can't see osb on one face stopping timber moving. Not a criticism just curious.

Did you consider insulating under the concrete slab to help with ceiling height? If so, what made you decide against that?

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

I did, and if this were being used as a garden room instead of workshop I would have done that. The thing to consider if doing this is that you’ll need to take a fair bit more soil out to make way for the oversize.

@patrickloftus

4 ай бұрын

@@TheDIYGuy1 True, another 100-150mm of digging would not be fun. Currently frying my brain trying to figure out the side wall calculations....imagine chopping the back left corner of your building off at 45 degrees.... A 4m x 6m room with a 3.6m back wall, 1.6m left side wall, and a 3.3m wall at 45 degrees joining the two. I should have studied trigonometry harder at school! It's the slope calculations that are a 'mare, as the uprights on that angled wall need both a front to back angle cutting on them, same as yours, but also a left to right angle cutting.

good job mate could of just used furring strips for the roof slope make your life easier.

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Yeah your right 👍

Hey, did you consider using California corners to allow installation of insulation? I presume with building this during winter you will be considering a healthy amount of insulation!

@TheDIYGuy1

3 ай бұрын

Hi, I will be going with either actis hybris or PIR. I haven’t decided yet.

@asabriggs6426

3 ай бұрын

@@TheDIYGuy1 So many things to decide when building a garden room. Never heard of Actis hybris before; looks to be cheaper than PIR (perhaps £11 per square meter rather than £15) although it is a multifoil so less proven than PIR!

@TheDIYGuy1

3 ай бұрын

I know right! I’ve seen a few people using actis hybris. I might give it a shot you know

will the floor be insulated and if so why didnt u do it under the concrete

I like the jacket, got a link?

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

It’s a snickers 37.5 all round work waterproof

@mugban6836

4 ай бұрын

Nice one! Looking forward to the finished workshop!

Do you go straight into the concrete with your anchors or do you have to use plugs?

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Straight in 👍

Are u a joiner by trade. ?. Its always been,vertical is plumb. Horizontal is level.

What version snickers work trousers are you wearing?

@TheDIYGuy1

3 ай бұрын

These are the 6241 Allround stretch trouser. Great trousers ive been wearing them for years.

What hikoki framer is this, is it brand new? Never seen it, kind of looks like a paslode

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Hikoki first fix gas nailer. I’ve had it a few months and a few builder mates have them too. Great nailers, just as good as a paslode in my opinion

Wouldn’t it be easier to use firring strips?

if i space my studs at 400center starting from the edge of the panel my 1220 board sits right upto the last stud leaving no room to place my other board , what am i doing wrong, ? although 16" on center works perfect, regs for uk say 400 - 600 i believe 16" is US. ?

@TheDIYGuy1

2 ай бұрын

That’s common. Rip each board down to 1200 and you’ll be good to go

@benwatton1832

2 ай бұрын

Wood sheets are different to plasterboard so if u do to suit wood sheets won't work for plasterboard

Genuine question, but permitted development seems to have 2 rules which I can't see that you meet? The first one is that within 1m of a boundary, the walls need to be made from non combustable material (i.e. not wood!). The second is that the maximum height at the eaves needs to be 2m (not 2.5m). Have I got it wrong?

@TheDIYGuy1

2 ай бұрын

As long as the walls are coated with a non combustible material which mine will be(metal box profile) it’s fine. 2.5m at the eaves is the rule and that can be found via many sources online.

@audi3210

2 ай бұрын

@@TheDIYGuy1Thanks you for clarifying this, big help for my planning of a new garage! Great videos by the way!

Wouldn't it been eaier to use firring strips to give roof fall??

@TheDIYGuy1

3 ай бұрын

You could indeed. I just prefer to do it this way.

Any more update videos on this build??

@TheDIYGuy1

3 ай бұрын

Coming VERY soon

@Geowebbie

3 ай бұрын

Great thank you. I’m breaking ground now to build my own version of yours hence the anticipation 😊

@TheDIYGuy1

3 ай бұрын

Ah! Good for you. I reckon this coming weekend or the one after I will have the next episode ready

Why no washers on hold down bolts?

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Not needed. If you look at the bolts they are designed to bite into the surface. Look at the bottom of the bolt head closely and you’ll spot it.

Great stuff not a high five insight

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

👍

No Track Saw wow have a word with Dewalt🤣🤣 make sure you insulate that floor well I made that mistake bloody freezing in winter oh and wouldn't want the bill for that Timber now well done looks great

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

Haha I’ve been messing around trying to decide on what one I want! I might go with the makita 40v. That’s a tough decision for someone who’s primarily dewalt! Cheers

@DIYCroft

4 ай бұрын

​@@TheDIYGuy1 I'm on Milwaukee but I was pretty impressed with my cousin's DeWalt track saw. The corded festool is decent as well

@TheDIYGuy1

4 ай бұрын

👍

@stuartandrews4344

4 ай бұрын

@@TheDIYGuy1 Bosch track saw here.

@davideyres955

4 ай бұрын

@@TheDIYGuy1I bought the dewalt corded track saw and when I was building the loft boards I built a surround for the hatch out of the flooring and got it spot on to less than a mm tolerance. The rubber strips on the side stops tear out and let’s you make accurate cuts like I said to less than 1mm. I suspect they are all pretty much the same though, but I’m well pleased with my one.

Why have you been able to build from wood and not brick? I am looking at doing almost the exact same build myself but came across an issue that you don't mention. In that building regs suggest that building within 1m of a boundary, the walls should be mainly constructed from non-combustable materials. As the build is over 15m2 (which I am now limiting my build to) then building regs apply.

@TheDIYGuy1

3 ай бұрын

Your correct about non combustible materials within 1m from boundary. Simple way around this. Clad the boundary facing sides of the building with metal box profile or cement board and you will be within permitted development rules. Problem solved 👍

@macmcdade5071

3 ай бұрын

@@TheDIYGuy1 Unfortunately not in my case as the area I'm going to build has 3 boundary walls 🤦‍♂️ Basically the garden is an "L" shape, hence going to the 15m2 then building regs don't apply. Which seems mental.

@pineapplegrower

2 ай бұрын

If it helps, I am constructing a similar wood frame building right up to my boundary wall and building control have said that with cement board cladding on the outside and double plasterboard on the inside I am good for fire regs. The house next door is about 3-4m from the boundary though.

@macmcdade5071

2 ай бұрын

​@@pineapplegrowerDouble plasterboard as opposed to a single layer fire rated board?

@pineapplegrower

Ай бұрын

@@macmcdade5071 Well that's what the Building Control guy said, but perhaps I should ask that question?!?

Just out of interest as im looking at building my own, why didnt you just make the framework square and add 80mm furings to the roof joists? Would that not have been quicker? genuine question, not trying to fault your work :)

@TheDIYGuy1

2 ай бұрын

Good luck with yours. Personally it takes me very little extra time to calculate the fall and angle and make the cuts but If you find it quicker then that’s the way to go.