How To: Boiler Losing Pressure

In this video I attend a Gas boiler losing water pressure. I show you how I check and repair the most common issue related to pressure problems. The expansion vessel on the boiler has a simple job of absorbing the excess expansion of water in your heating system when it is on and running. If the vessel doesn't do this the pressure relief valve will begin to leak. This will cause overnight pressure loss within the heating system. Basically every hot and cold cycle will cause the pressure in the boiler to drop. This will lead to topping up the pressure every day. If the pressure gets low enough most boilers will fail leading to no heating and hot water.
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This channel is to help engineers fix boilers. I try and teach boiler repair for the betterment of the UK gas industry. The better we are the more work we get.
Common UK boiler brands such as Vaillant, Ideal, Worcester and Baxi all have more obscure models and this is one of them.
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  • @LondonGas
    @LondonGas2 ай бұрын

    Tip 5 - add a little grease to the Schrader valve before pumping it up. It reduces the failure rate

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Snap. I thought this today as I edited it. I didn't have grease with me on this but I do do it. ;-)

  • @duncanicook

    @duncanicook

    2 ай бұрын

    Yes, little bit of silicone grease.

  • @TheDickPuller

    @TheDickPuller

    2 ай бұрын

    Add some KY Gel & it’ll slip in lovely!

  • @joshuasmith7055

    @joshuasmith7055

    Ай бұрын

    Nice bit of lube

  • @pookievision
    @pookievision23 күн бұрын

    The PRV cant always twll failed with dripping outside - you can just take pipe off bottom of valve and with pressure; it drips = change prv. If the pressure continues to rise even after what you have done = check filling loop/link isnt passing! ✌️🤟 Legend lad!!

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    15 күн бұрын

    Thanks for sharing

  • @johnclarke6542
    @johnclarke65422 ай бұрын

    You're really good at explaining your repairs clearly 👍

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks 👍I have to learn it that way too. :-)

  • @Lewis_Standing
    @Lewis_Standing2 ай бұрын

    Thanks for this, calling an engineer now to come sort my expansion vessel!

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Do it in time and save some money. :-)

  • @normanboyes4983
    @normanboyes49832 ай бұрын

    Another excellent video Ollie, tackled logically so homeowners can understand.👍😀

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    This video was a bit of a mess because I didn't have time to get it edited correctly. Hopefully I can get ahead with the videos again and get some breathing room. :-)

  • @normanboyes4983

    @normanboyes4983

    2 ай бұрын

    @@HeatingGeek It got the message across absolutely fine.👍

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks :-)

  • @jameswilson2899
    @jameswilson2899Ай бұрын

    Great content mate,

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    23 күн бұрын

    Thanks for the visit. Im glad you like it :-)

  • @jasonantigua6825
    @jasonantigua68252 ай бұрын

    Tidy little video mate! Thanks😊

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    You bet, Thanks for watching it. :-)

  • @jasonantigua6825

    @jasonantigua6825

    2 ай бұрын

    @@HeatingGeek 👍

  • @user-li8gr8ur8l
    @user-li8gr8ur8l2 ай бұрын

    Very good explanation Ollie. That is the sort of explanation customers and newbies need ❤

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    The video was a bit of a mess but i didn't have time to get it aimed at one type of person. :-) Hopefully it helps people

  • @alexmeyer9873
    @alexmeyer98732 ай бұрын

    Miss your videos please do more thank you 🙏🏼

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    I have done 1 a week lately. ;-) Hit the bell and you would know. :-)

  • @MrCarhoo
    @MrCarhoo2 ай бұрын

    As usual great advice.

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Glad you think so! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. :-)_

  • @chrisbw591
    @chrisbw5912 ай бұрын

    As above, really enjoy your videos as they’re one of the best explained

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Thats because I have to understand it myself. I try and make it simple in my own head so I can remember it. :-)

  • @wackey3455
    @wackey34552 ай бұрын

    great job new subscriber looks like a great channel

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the sub! I'm trying to get content out every week but have 100 ish older videos. I have created playlists for manufactures too.

  • @Mr_Ashley
    @Mr_Ashley2 ай бұрын

    8:38 have the same issue with the misses

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    ;-)

  • @ep3thatsall485

    @ep3thatsall485

    2 ай бұрын

    😂😂😂

  • @brendanfisher2528
    @brendanfisher25282 ай бұрын

    I buy metal dust caps with shrader removal tool on it from ebay aswell as packs of shrader valves. And when I recharge them I just swap them with a metal dust cap.. great video as always oli..

  • @CarlAtkinson-zu1zh

    @CarlAtkinson-zu1zh

    2 ай бұрын

    Yes most of the time the schradar core will pass, give it a flick with your finger and will reseal, I have replaced an unknown amount of schradars over the years 😊

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Great idea. The metal caps have the red seals in them too. They are nice and soft and don't fail much. Good idea.

  • @CarlAtkinson-zu1zh
    @CarlAtkinson-zu1zh2 ай бұрын

    Glad you posted this video, perhaps half of the lazy bastard service engineers will now start pumping up vessels during the service visit but probably not 😂😂😂

  • @daz3745

    @daz3745

    2 ай бұрын

    If they're working for a firm forget it. They just don't have time.

  • @CarlAtkinson-zu1zh

    @CarlAtkinson-zu1zh

    2 ай бұрын

    @@daz3745 don’t have time?, all it takes is carrying a bucket and pump with you while you do a service visit, if you spend ten minutes doing your FGA s only to find that the pressure has risen up to 3bar then checking the vessel before you start makes sense to me

  • @CarlAtkinson-zu1zh

    @CarlAtkinson-zu1zh

    2 ай бұрын

    @@daz3745 I know what you mean, I work for BG on contract and they want you to complete a “boiler service”, in ten minutes!….

  • @CarlAtkinson-zu1zh

    @CarlAtkinson-zu1zh

    2 ай бұрын

    @@daz3745 yet they will try to destroy your whole life if you miss one tiny little ntcs

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    @CarlAtkinson-zu1zh so true.

  • @lewisconway6431
    @lewisconway64312 ай бұрын

    Slowly working my way through your videos. You explain things brilliantly. Im 2 and a bit years into servicing and repairs and your videos are really helpfull. How do I find the blocked hose vid ? Cheers mate

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Heatline Capris kzread.info/dash/bejne/eJybtrhxabngpag.html ;-)

  • @lewisconway6431

    @lewisconway6431

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks mate I found it. I had a greenstar yesterday with the exact same issue. I 100 percent would not have took the pressure out the vessel before trying to unblock the hose had I not watched your vid. You may have saved me a nice mess. I booked an 'LD' to get the boiler off the wall and replace the hose but didn't need to. Got lucky that although the prv had been set off, wasn't letting by which is odd as the hose was clearly sludged. Thanks again for the vids and I will be becoming a patron

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    @@lewisconway6431 I'm glad you like the videos. I have learned a lot for my own mistakes. I remember the first boiler I tried to clean the hose on. A glowworm Ci.... Fu%k it went everywhere. With a massive bang as well. I had it all over my face...:-)

  • @yannkitson116
    @yannkitson1162 ай бұрын

    I normally use an inert gas for the expansion vessels. I was told air would make the membrane rot.

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    On commercial systems I use nitrogen but in a domestic house how do you do that?

  • @yannkitson116

    @yannkitson116

    2 ай бұрын

    @@HeatingGeek I have a small canister with a pressure gauge, the size of a hair spray that clamps on to the valve. Then I charge the expansion vessel to 0.6 bar with the gas and and the rest up to 1.5 bar by filling with water.

  • @hadjarramouche3404
    @hadjarramouche34042 ай бұрын

    I had one going up without the heating, been on due to the cracked secondary heat exchanger as soon as he isolates the water to the boiler stay stable

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    That's true. Very rare though. I have had it on unvented cylinders before too.

  • @asif530
    @asif5302 ай бұрын

    I was recently servicing a family members boiler where their filling loop was connected and both values although closed were still letting by a small trickle which was causing over pressurisation.. when i disconnected it it was dripping. So not only the cold feed side was leaking the filling side was also leaking..

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    I get that on ecotecs a lot. What boiler was it?

  • @asif530

    @asif530

    2 ай бұрын

    @@HeatingGeek spot on mate it was an ecotec

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    @@asif530 I usually just replace one of the valves tbh. A very costly repair if both are done.

  • @liborjelinek2070
    @liborjelinek20702 ай бұрын

    Number 6 check level of inhibitor and add the same brand if need it ,you end up with blocked pipe of the expansion vessel,heat plate exchanger ,the main heat exchanger ,radiators not working properly ...

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    This boiler has never had inhibitor since it was fitted :-) Never. So what should you do in this situation?

  • @duncanicook
    @duncanicook2 ай бұрын

    1.2bar is quite high I usually blow the vessel upto 1 bar that way you can precharge the vessel with water so that it will last longer between system water repressurising.

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Yes and no. You should fill a vessel to cold fill pressure according to design guides. Usually on domestic I fill between 0.75 and 1.2bar. I usually fill to a lower pressure if the boiler is going to operate at reduced pressure all the time. Like on poor incoming mains water pressure. But if the mains is good and the person overfills a lot i will make the initial charge higher. If you get what I mean.

  • @duncanicook

    @duncanicook

    2 ай бұрын

    Sort of. By draining the boiler and then refilling it you have introduced new air to the system which is in the new water. If you heat that water, it's agitated by the pump, the air will come out and maybe exit the system via the pump aav. So if you pump the vessel to 1.2 then add water upto 1.2/1. 3 bar you have very little water precharge in the vessel to replace the pressure lost by the air leaving the system. So the system water will need to be added to in the very near future. ... So that is why I don't pressurise the vessel with air over 1 bar.

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    @@duncanicook That makes perfect sense. I never thought about it that way. 👍

  • @patrickoregan7102
    @patrickoregan71022 ай бұрын

    Hi mate, we're can I get a pump like that please ?

  • @daryl3414

    @daryl3414

    2 ай бұрын

    The one he uses is made by makita

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Right here. amzn.to/3VaK1Cm

  • @Exgasman9072
    @Exgasman90722 ай бұрын

    Link to the caprice video please

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    It's in the video Bro. But it's also her for you too. Heatline Capris kzread.info/dash/bejne/eJybtrhxabngpag.html

  • @Exgasman9072

    @Exgasman9072

    2 ай бұрын

    Cheers mate@@HeatingGeek

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    No problem.

  • @marksavill367
    @marksavill3672 ай бұрын

    the amount of boilers i go to where the vessel is flat is amazing i dont understand how people dont pump them up on a service or brakedown!

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    If someone is only being paid 40 a service do you think they will pump a vessel. BG only paying 24-27. I run the boiler at max rate while I analyse and gas rate it. If the pressure spikes up then I do the vessel. However if I drain a boiler for any reason I always do the vessel. Do you do it every service??

  • @marksavill367

    @marksavill367

    2 ай бұрын

    I hear what your saying I always drain the boiler and pump it every service as I drain it through the filter (if ones fitted) but most of my services are returning customers or boilers I've fitted.

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    @@marksavill367 Its nice when you look after a boiler for several years. You get to know it.

  • @user-cw9jb2ju8m
    @user-cw9jb2ju8m2 ай бұрын

    🙈I thought It's was a hole in the plate heat exchanger.."I'll get my coat" 😂.... Another great video knowledge is power👍

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks for watching! I do appreciate a comment too. It's a rare boiler to have a by thermal heat exchanger tbh. I think this was the last. :-)

  • @SteveN-pw4dj
    @SteveN-pw4dj2 ай бұрын

    I have always wondered why plumbers pay a fortune for LDF when a bottle of water with some washing up liquid does the same? Or is it because LDF sounds cooler than soapy water?

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    It's because we have too. Apparently washing up liquid is corrosive and were not allowed to use it...... Almost like a conspiracy.... I'll put my tinfoil hat away now. :-)

  • @TheDickPuller

    @TheDickPuller

    2 ай бұрын

    See my post above luv. Shampoo is OK, the Wife’s expensive one is the best!, Why do the a Ladies spend a fortune on Hair & Body products?? A bloke goes into Lidl picks up the first thing; Hair, Body & Car Shampoo combined. That’ll do me, lovely!!! My Wife, Olive, Olive Puller buys all sorts & pays a fortune for it. She says; ‘Oh, this expensive Face Cream makes me look lovely’. I keep telling her, you can’t polish a turd!!!

  • @raul835
    @raul8352 ай бұрын

    Brilliant vid again

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks man. I appreciate the comment and you watching :-)

  • @dilaliotube
    @dilaliotube2 ай бұрын

    Tip #0... Do not attempt this if it means breaking the room seal of your appliance. That is why it needs a GSE and not a diy repair. Also... Did 4 EVs last week, in one house... 1 on each of the 2 boilers and also 2 on the UV cylinders... They were all full of water and needed regenerating air side. Thank God I also have the same makita pump... And the same cable tie around the trigger to keep it on... Why they didn't incorporate this is a mystery lol!

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Have to have the cable tie. Otherwise it's useless.

  • @raul835
    @raul8352 ай бұрын

    You should mention to never touch the isolation valves on these.. mistake you'll only make once

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    I use them on this boiler. Not the older ones. What issues have you had with them?

  • @ununha

    @ununha

    2 ай бұрын

    It will only happen on vokera

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    @@ununha what will?

  • @TheDickPuller
    @TheDickPuller2 ай бұрын

    Another good one Ollie, perhaps you should explain for the hard of thinking; The Expansion vessel size can be too small on a Combi Boiler for your system. Many are only 8Ltr. Top Dick Puller tip; Make your own Leak Detection Fluid & save(I’m a tight sweaty sock) a fortune!! 1Ltr Water 10ML Shampoo 38ML Glycerine(Baking Section down Asda) This’ll last you for ages, if you want more bubbles - just add more of the Wife’s shampoo. Catch ye👍👍👍

  • @HeatingGeek

    @HeatingGeek

    2 ай бұрын

    Im sure some are 6L now. But I should have mentioned it. This video wasn't meant to come out tbh. I didn't get a chance to get one together so I used a video I had in the bank so to speak. I'm at home most of today, so after I do some quotes and 1 job I will edit some more stuff together. :-)