Are You An Experienced Diver? ▶ kzread.info/dash/bejne/rKFnsdSRkqS_fZc.html Check out Gus and Woody 🤿 @DIVETALK

@cavediver74

6 ай бұрын

Ijbol

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Hmm not sure what this was supposed to be.

@cavediver74

6 ай бұрын

@@CircleHScubaI just burst out laughing

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Ah, never seen that one haha. Laughing at what though? 🤷‍♂️

@cavediver74

6 ай бұрын

@@CircleHScuba hmm. this looks like it was not put under the message I replied to. Likely my error. The fact that you and Gus look so much alike! Same hair, same beard, same color hair and beard. Instant bros! Cheers!

Imagine meeting your doppelganger and he's also into the same hobby you are :)

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣 I’ve heard people say I look like Gus, or Eddy Hall, so maybe we’re all one person and it’s just clever editing

Probably the best interview on how to become a cave diver I have ever seen! You guys make want to become tech and eventually cave diver.

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Do it! With time, all in due time haha. Ask yourself some self evaluation questions on becoming a Tech Diver first, then get experience there (my current state), then try Cavern eventually, etc. Glad you enjoyed it! Gus is awesome 🤙

nice to see my 2 dive hero's together 🙂I learned a lot from you both.

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

This is one of the best comments I’ve ever seen, thanks! That’s very kind of you to say.

7 cavern dives so far, all in Mexico. Out of 39 dives so far Cenotes are becoming my favorite!

@CircleHScuba

Ай бұрын

Awesome!!!!

Amazing guest! Thank you a lot!

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

I agree, @divetalk is great, and Gus was so knowledgeable. Really glad I got to sit with him and chat!

9:18 “Artificial roof over your head” What an awesome metaphor btw.

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yes, not just a real ceiling but the artificial ceiling of a deco stop. No going above your stop without clearing deco, even in open water when you see the surface. It’s what I tell my students who are considering tec and something my instructor taught me when I did my initial tec training 🤙

This was an excellent topic to discuss. Both of you provided fantastic tips and insights! I look forward to seeing more videos like this.

@CircleHScuba

11 күн бұрын

I really appreciate it! I should be meeting up with Gus and Woody again sometime for sure, any specific topics you’d like to see?

Great interview

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it

Awesome interview!

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Thanks so much Terri!! I was blessed to have him sit down with me.

@ScubaGirlsInternational

6 ай бұрын

@@CircleHScuba I'm now on a Circle H binge! 💜

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

There’s almost a year of content now (in a few weeks it’ll be 1 year! 😱). Don’t judge my early stuff too hard 🤣🤣🤣 Enjoy!!!

@MikeDodds

6 ай бұрын

@@ScubaGirlsInternationalMe too!!! 😂

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Y’all are too kind thank you for the support!

👍😎🤿🇵🇭! Great interview about tec diving and cave diving! Really enjoyed 👍!

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Thanks Joseph! I’m glad to hear you did!

Great, interview and video. For me, I started out with some Cenote dives in Mexico (single backmount rec) and caught the bug. I knew I wanted to do cave eventually, so I started out with sidemount recreational diving and did that for a while. I then did my cavern course in sidemount. Next was intro to cave in sidemount. I still have not done Advanced nitrox/decompression procedures, but that is next on my to do list in anticipation of full cave. From my perspective, this is more of a recreational start to cave diving, and may be a little bit different than what was discussed, but has been a wonderful process for me. Thanks for the great vids all of you!

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

I think Gus mentioned it’s possible in open circuit but he didn’t do that himself so he discussed his route. I love the Cenotes and did some caverns myself there, have the bug but am taking it slow and do plan to go the Tec route for it since I’m Tec certified now and getting experience there, though I also want to go CCR sooner versus later and then I’ll do the cave journey haha

…and we aren’t even talking about what PO2 you might want if you had to use your CCR as an SCR (your O2 is out or unusable and you are just filling unit with dil, taking several breaths until the PO2 drops to a certain level then venting your loop and filling again with dil trying to get PO2 within .1 or .2 of what your dil would be on open circuit before starts dropping again). Lots of considerations. Hint, higher PO2 is better for SCR to some extent. Also, as O2 drips nitrogen partial pressure increases and so would helium if trimix. Good idea to consider narcosis effects if run unit as SCR rather than open circuit bailout. At 100ft I can get 20-25 breaths with only a 0.2 PO2 drop. SCR is a great gas multiplier in an emergency

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Dropping all the knowledge haha

I was comfortable at 125ft in buford cavern immediately. 2nd cavern dive and 1st deep dive ever ....im addicted

@CircleHScuba

5 ай бұрын

Just remember to not allow confidence to outweigh experience. Congrats on getting into cave diving though!

Congrats on your tec rating! I saw the clip of you in sidemount and went “yay!” Welcome to the cool kids club! 😎

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Hahaha thanks! Did all the way through Tec50, now getting hours underwater in deco haha

@souswes

6 ай бұрын

@@CircleHScuba keep going man! I took a pause after intro to tec (I like SDI/TDI programs) to work on really getting confident in sidemount. Advanced nitrox/deco procedures is my next course before cavern and intro to cave

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Yup I want more sidemount time and then also want to do back mount doubles and get comfortable with both. Eventually explore CCR and then cavern, then intro to cave, etc haha

I got PADI open water certified June 2022 and two weeks after I got certified, I had my first official dive outside of the required dives to get certified. I dove the Cathedrals in Maui. But I didn't stop there. On my second day in Hawaii, I dove Molokini Crater. During my first of the two dives there, while 60 feet down, I had to do a full mask clear. Ever since I got certified, KZread had been recommending me cave diving videos (usually cave diving disasters). I got open water certified to swim with fish (no pun intended) because I love marine life. I really don't have an interest in cave diving, but I find videos about it fascinating.

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Haha the “algorithm” loves drama and “disasters” fall into that. Cave diving is fascinating to me and I’ve done some caverns (like 5 cavern dives total with a guide), but I’m definitely needing more tech diving experience before I feel comfortable going for the certifications and expanding my limits into that. I agree the cave diving videos can be fascinating though!

@rk24133927

3 ай бұрын

I did a basic cenote dive in Cancun, it was interesting but do not have the desire to do it again. Best dive I did was in the Red Sea, a British transport ship SS Thistlegorm sunk by German aircraft in WW2. Still see the tires of motorcycles in the hold!

@CircleHScuba

3 ай бұрын

The Thistlegorm is supposed to be amazing. I love wrecks, but I also really love the Cenotes

@rk24133927

3 ай бұрын

@@CircleHScuba The cenote dive may have been better if my wet suit was a good fit, I kept getting cold water going down the back of my neck. I dived in Honolulu last year, it was OK but you cannot beat the warm water diving of the Caribbean or the Red Sea. I have a photo of me covered in fish in the Red Sea. What is great about Thistlegorm is you see so much of the military equipment they were shipping & is still somewhat intact. They have dangerous dive site not far from where I was staying at Sharm El Sheik, called the Dahab Blue hole. Its a sink hole with an arch to the sea but the arch is around 140 feet & its a long arch to the sea. Many deaths from people tying it with one tank of compressed air. ts not that expensive to dive Thistlegorm. You can fly to Cairo on Turkish airlines, stay a couple of days see the pyramids & then its an hour flight to Sharm El Sheikh. Its an early morning start I think the dive boat left at 6am, big dive boat its a 4 hour trip out to the dive site.

GREAT interview! GREAT content!

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Thanks Dan!

Great video, very informative. Gus and woody are great guys and an amazing source of knowledge in the industry. Did you start any additional training after this interview?

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Hey, thanks for dropping a comment! I haven’t just yet, as we recorded that discussion on November 16th this year. I am currently a tech diver and I’m looking to spend most of 2024 continuing my tech diving, doing more wreck penetration in sidemount, do some more back mount doubles dives as well, and spend more time in deco. I think I may try cavern then intro to cave by end of 2024 or in 2025. I’m taking it slow, no rush on my end.

Great interview and discussion! I like how the dive industry has begun to allow divers a "soft" entrance into tech diving. It was cool 30-45 years ago to make it through a bootcamp type course and live to tell the tale, but it makes more sense to take a diver and progressively take them deeper and slowly add more variables than taking someone who can survive a 100' dive on air, and in a week, send them down to 250' with mixed gases, etc. Saturation training works great in the military, but once you've got your DD214, most people have a lot of other responsibilities that won't allow someone to dedicate the time, effort and finances to such an endeavor. Saturation training doesn't allow a student to think and fully understand what it is they're supposed to be learning either. That being said, a diver can't let too much time lapse between classes either since we're dealing perishable skills. I think the industry is figuring that out in the last 20 years - which is a good thing, I think... I think the jiu jitsu analogy is great. Someone doesn't earn a black belt in a week, a month or several years sometimes, so it would seem a lot to ask of an average open water diver with some aspirations to do the same. I feel the same way about the professional branch of diving - I can't remember at the moment, but it used to be could go from ow student to instructor in 90 days or something like that, but that's for a different video 😉 Great discussion! Great channel! Happy diving!

@CircleHScuba

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Agreed on these points generally. It’ll be interesting to see where the education side of diving is in another 20 years or so since the sport is so young overall, I’m sure we’ll have even more changes to things.

Super interesting 💯

@CircleHScuba

5 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed

Po2 dependent. Some people do use 30/30 trimix for depths around 120. One issue is how much 0:04 dil do you have? If you are using a 15 to 25cf dil tank on a long dive and your dil PO2 is only a little lower than your intended PO2 at depth this is an issue. Can use up dil quickly. With the Sidewinder you have larger dil tanks. As long as you account for say 30cf of dil use in your dive plan then you are ok if you have to use more dil. You cant use that gas for dil and bailout. I have 30/30 in a couple of my stages. Bailout but I can plug them into the rebreather if I want (off board dil).

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

I’m not qualified to reply to this one haha. Don’t know enough about rebreathers yet to make an educated reply. Thank you for the info though, sounds like there’s a bit to figure out once you go that route on what you’re comfortable with gas mix wise which makes sense, like any other tech dive.

Really educational! I love seeing the procedures you guys go through to ensure safety for everyone involved!

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Happy you found it useful! Safety is important. It’s one thing I appreciate about the @DiveTalk channel is that they do reactions, but they also very often talk about safety. It’s important and people get complacent and have accidents, so it’s an important thing to focus on in my opinion

Damn Gus, you’re looking fine as hell!

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Imagine being there in person! 🤣

Haha awesome! Dive Talk started it all for me personally and I’ve become a self-certified super fan of their duo. Such a great pick for an interview, very well done. Woody next?! Would love to see you take a dive trip with them!

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

I’m going to try very hard to get to their meetup, but it bumps right up to a trip I’m taking already to Costa Rica for diving, so I’m not sure it will happen 😢 As for Woody, @DiveTalk you heard the people, haha. I’d love to chat with Woody as well! I'm a fan of them as well, really enjoy their content.

@looksgoodonpaper

6 ай бұрын

@@CircleHScuba Haha yes, I’m waiting for them to go back to Cozumel and I’ll be there! They are giving away a rebreather at this next meetup too, so maybe you’ll be on a rig sooner than you think! Haha All the best! Thanks again!

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

I didn’t see any announcement like that! Gosh, yeah I’d love to go, we’ll see if I can swing it or not

We on the same path just did my advance Nitrox. Getting ready to get my Sidewinder. Try Bonne Terre south of St Louis will help you get used to rocks . Get a laid back dive guide group. If you go to Sidewinders ask KISS for their instructors in the areas that you live in

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Sidewinder or spirit are likely what I’ll go with when that time comes! I’ve been wanting to check out Bonne Terre pretty bad!

Gus brought up the financial difference between trimix and rebreather but what about the difference in travel costs between open water and cave? How much are open water divers spending on flights to indonesia, the red sea, galapagos livaboards, bonaire resorts? Cave divers can spend a lifetime exploring caves that you drive to the florida state park and pay 7.00, then go to a motel by the interstate.

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

That assumes you live anywhere near cave country though. There’s definitely a travel cost to get to caves for many divers. Very much a good point, no argument, but remember we don’t all live in Florida or a few hours drive from there 😅

Cenote diving is cool

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

I agree, I loved the cavern parts I’ve been in

Damn haven't seen Gus in a while, he lookin fit 💪

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

He’s doing great!

OMG!!!! GUS LOOKS AMAZING 👀👀👀👀SUCH A GOOD JOB GUS AMAZING MY FRIEND 💪💪💪

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Can’t agree more

@kazzmatic22

6 ай бұрын

@@CircleHScuba YES HE ACHIEVED SO MUCH! IM SO PROUD OF HIM 💪💪💪💪💪💪

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Me too!

I’m actually leaving in a week for Mexico for two weeks of cavern and intro. Absolutely influenced by woody and Gus on dive talk.

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Oh wow, that’s awesome! Let us know how it goes!

Thank you, greatly enjoyed the video. But you don't mention the other route, from the opposite direction of cavers who get into wetsuits and wet caves, then freedive more and more difficult sumps over time, and start using a pony bottle shoved inside their caving suit. These people can progress to cave diving and in enough time even start scuba diving recreationally: looking at the fish or whatever the "normal" divers who don't crawl on their hands and knees in liquid mud are into 🤣

@CircleHScuba

2 ай бұрын

I feel like that style (like in the UK, dive talk just did a video featuring some UK diving discussion this morning) should almost be named something different haha. I don’t think spelunkers exploring caves and grabbing a cylinder to get through a sump and keep exploring should do that without cave certs. But that’s my opinion as a (as of this post) non cave diver.

Hmm. No idea why you need to get into tech diving before cave. I didn’t. I did do rescue and divemaster before moving to cave country but then cavern. Got my nitrox and deco procedures after cavern followed by intro cave, apprentice cave, full cave. Trimix 1, Trimix 2, DPV, CCR were all after full cave. I will say this, if you really want to run a rebreather cave diving or trimix it is good to get that certification before because the industry has two very different certification pathways for cave and Trimix. Open circuit and CCR. Now even my nitrox cert is not considered valid with CCR let alone cave or trimix. Almost everyone tells me to ignore this and just dive. Instructors almost tell me this. The industry has crossover classes going from one CCR unit to another but not so much going from OC to CCR. There are certainly differences though.

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

I think he mentioned being able to go with OC, but Gus specifically didn’t go that route and recommended tech first for deco procedures and bottle management, gas planning, etc. Didn’t know you could go full cave without tech though tbh, but I guess it may depend on agency? Not sure! I’m not a cave diver yet haha

@Teampegleg

6 ай бұрын

I actually asked why they don't use nitrox or 30/30 for dil, apparently it was about being able to quickly flush down your PPO2, with any nitrox mix unless you are super shallow it doesn't push down the PPO2 fast enough.

@Teampegleg

6 ай бұрын

@@CircleHScuba Tech divers going straight to CCR cave is something that a very significant portion of the High Springs cave community disagree with. Intro cave purposely limits you to 1,000ft, that way you are no more than 20-30 minutes away from the exit, so if you have a problem you can quickly find your way out. With Full Cave you have no hard distance limit, but you have the practical limits of tank capacity and drag. CCR (and DPV) allows you to vastly extend how far you can go into a cave dramatically without years of experience that it takes to get farther with OC. Even to the point in an emergency you might not have enough gas to exit as most people vastly underestimate the amount of gas they need to swim out. As such many think it should only be used after one is already an experienced cave diver, regardless of your prior tech diving background. As far as where you can go full cave without tech certs, Mexico. You can go all the way to full cave without even a nitrox cert. Florida it is possible to get to full cave without a tech cert, but the only location where you can do a true full cave dive would be Peacock, or possibly Twin Cave at the Mill Pond. Though you can do a cave deco course it adds about a day to a full cave course, AN/DP but cave only. There are quite a few people that started tech diving in caves. I got my Apprentice Cave and then went and did my tech certs in open water as I didn't want a cave only deco cert. Though that was a bit pointless as I've only done one non-class tech dive in open water.

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

This is some great insight, thank you! I can see the benefits of starting OC just to help keep you within limits in case you get overzealous with pushing your limits vs slowly expanding them. Whenever my time comes to start the cave path I’ll make some choices then, and may start OC, not really sure just yet. Thanks for the thoughtful comment!

I always consume an oxygen tank and make it empty when back to the ground. As a cave diving, Can go cave diving only by 1tank?

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

If you’re using an entire air tank during a normal dive, you’ll want to improve your air consumption before moving into cave in my opinion. You should never really have an empty tank of air unless something went wrong. We plan for reserve gas even in recreational diving.

Woody needs to lighten up!

@CircleHScuba

Ай бұрын

Woody’s awesome haha. Cant wait to meet up with them both again.

The look like brothers

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

I’ll take it as a compliment haha

Id love to know how you dropped so much weight. Looking good Gus

How does a kiss rebreather have 11 hours of scrubber? They say 3 to 4 hours in the website.

@CircleHScuba

5 ай бұрын

I think it’s a worse case scenario situation and someone did a test, but I’m not a rebreather diver. We’ll see if Gus sees this @divetalk

What is his main job again??

@CircleHScuba

2 ай бұрын

Mine is a DevOps engineer at a software company. Gus I’m not sure actually!

every turtle is a sea turtle... the otheres are called turtoises

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Technically the scientific grouping of turtles, sea turtles, tortoises, etc fall under “turtle” apparently (source: marinesanctuary.org/blog/whats-the-difference-turtles-vs-tortoises/#:~:text=The%2013%20families%20of%20turtles,not%20all%20turtles%20are%20tortoises.) I think the point Gus was making stands regardless though haha. It’s an analogy, it works even if there’s a little fuzziness on the actual scientific groupings 😜

@kaviyaneskandari2316

6 ай бұрын

@@CircleHScuba true, I guess if he meant the higher ranking "family" of "turtle" that would make him right 👍🫣 but the thumb is a finger, but not all fingers are thumbs would have been better😁

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Haha analogies are just a way to understand a concept, I don’t like to over analyze that much 🤷‍♂️😂

@kaviyaneskandari2316

6 ай бұрын

@@CircleHScuba I guess😁 There must be a perfect analogy fitting for every scuba diver out there somewhere🤪

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

@kaviyaneskandari2316 🤣🤣🤣

Gus is good diver and I watch all videos from DiveTalk, but he is not near as experienced as Woody, but Gus is always the one that will judge and call other divers idiots when they do something. Cave diving is not black belt of diving, public safets and body recovery divers are black belt, its much more dificoult, cave diving is like wreck penetration, you need to do it corectly or you will hurt yourself or die, but not black belt of diving.

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

I think Gus would agree that Woody has more experience too, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t experienced, maybe just less than Woody? Experience is a hard thing to measure, that’s why I have a whole video about it (in the pinned comment and top of the description). As for calling people out, I think that’s just personality sometimes as it is in anything, not just diving haha. Some people are more vocal to call out mistakes and others may not be. I enjoy the dynamic they have in their videos with the back and forth of the way they react. Oh and for the black belt comment, I think some PSD situations could definitely be considered at the same “black belt” level too. Idk, I mean black water body recovery with a tender, comms, and maybe surface supply (depends on the team of course just throwing a situation out there) may have its own dangers that are different but at a same level of danger as being thousands of feet from the exit to surface with no comms. Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe most PSD teams don’t have the diver in the water long enough for deco either, so they can technically come up anytime assuming no entanglement issues? I personally would say both are at the highest end of diving but are different paths with slightly different skills. Someone else said free diving is more of a black belt and I think that’s also comparing apples to oranges here.

@scubacro5758

6 ай бұрын

@@CircleHScuba yes I agree it can be personality, I would go on tech dive with him, no problem, I'm also very open with people, and when somebody endangeres their safety or safety of others I can be unpleasant. Just not big fan of saying in start "cave diving is black belt" it all depends on situation. I was diving in cave and I'm PSD and going in cave and looking around in beautifull formations is much less stressfull than jumping in sea knowing you are looking for suacide victim, you decide in what cave you will dive in, but you don't decide where will you dive in PSD. Not sure who comented about freediving being "black belt", they are not even part of this conversation😂

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

@scubacro5758 I hear you on PSD and cave. Yeah it was a comment on this video yesterday about free diving haha.

@DIVETALK

6 ай бұрын

The term “Cave Diving is the Black Belt of diving” is something that I didn’t come up with and some people always have a problem with that, typically wreck divers who feel disrespected for some reason. But it’s the same with Eagles Nest in Florida, it is called the “Mount Everest of Cave Diving” and someone always has an issue with that…”How about *insert cave name here*? Huh? That’s even harder!”…yes, sure, that’s harder, but I didn’t coin that term so take it easy. You think Public Safety Diving is the black belt of diving? Sure. No problem. Call it “Red Belt” (higher than black) and see if it sticks, I’ll use it in videos if it does 🙂

@scubacro5758

6 ай бұрын

@@DIVETALK I think "black belt" should not be comperisson becouse black belt mens that guy that has it is expert in that fighting skill. There is plenty of bad cave divers, bad wreck, PSD or tec divers, its skills, Edd is "black belt" in cave diving 100% (or Mike), but if I had to chose somebody to train me to dive deep in Sea, he would not be my first choice, he is not "black belt" in that type of diving. Not blaming you for calling it black belt, I was thinking in general. Ps. You should post some video of wreck penetration with Woody, I think people like getting ready parts of videos, not just jumping in and diving, people want to see breefing, drive to site, gass mixing, more vlog style videos

become a good diver, read a ot of books and be wise, try out slowly I started 1990 by myself in switzeröand overhead envi .... get used to it slowly and use your sense and brain

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

I do think people push themselves too far too quickly, great tips! Thanks!

"Cave diving is the black belt of diving" Free diving enters the chat 💦

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

Haha, I’ll be honest idk much about free diving as I don’t have much experience with it. I wouldn’t compare it to tec diving or cave diving though. Different sport in my opinion. Similar in some ways, but vastly different in others, no?

Spend a ton of money on gear and training 😂

@CircleHScuba

6 ай бұрын

That’s part of it 🤣