How to avoid an unstable hover and take off | DCS AH-64D quick vid

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  • @104thMaverick
    @104thMaverick Жыл бұрын

    Great video step dad! Keep up the content mate, its great to see you showing the non believers that the Apache is far from unflyable!

  • @CasmoTV

    @CasmoTV

    Жыл бұрын

    Keep hustling, brother. Still gotta ride shotgun with you soon.

  • @NWGJulian

    @NWGJulian

    Жыл бұрын

    i guess i missed something here 😄 who tf said that the apache is unflyable?? i am hooked with that thing since release. it flys great

  • @audunskilbrei8279

    @audunskilbrei8279

    Жыл бұрын

    @@NWGJulian I guess it's people coming straight from the ka-50 which is so much more stable. I'm one of those. I thought I had a good handle on helis because I was doing well in the black shark. The apache showed me I was pretty shit. But I'm passable now. Just takes a few hours.

  • @LongTran-em6hc

    @LongTran-em6hc

    Жыл бұрын

    I really, really appreciated the stability that the Ka-50 fly by wire system bring. Even with AP channels off it still extremely stable. I guess that's required for a single pilot ground attack rotary platform. You can't really fight when the machine is trying to kill you.

  • @aaronwhite1786

    @aaronwhite1786

    Жыл бұрын

    @@LongTran-em6hc Agreed. The Ka-50 feels almost like cheating when you're flying it around. I can slide into a hillside position, creep up above the trees and just click the auto-hover button and let it park itself in the sky. It's definitely what you need with the Ka-50 too, since you've got a tiny TV sitting in your lap to stare down at to find targets without the help of FLIR, you've got a pretty rough field of view beyond the front of your wings, and until the BS3, you had to manually be ready to dump your own countermeasures if you were lucky enough to see who was shooting at you.

  • @alostmemory8580
    @alostmemory8580 Жыл бұрын

    Great vid as always mate! A good tid bit to pass on from my Lynx flying days for those who are struggling - You're thinking too much. Stop it. Stop *thinking* about what you need to do, and *do* it instead. You've got to tell the conscious part of your brain to STFU, and fly the crate. Pick something on the topography near you, and *just* hold a relative attitude/position to it. When you stop shoving the thought process in the way of your subconscious, it turns out its really good at holding you relative to something. Rolling to one side? Let the body deal with it. Side slipping? Look at the topo, pick a thing, and stop relative to it. Oh, and my pet peeve from when I did my instructing stint: STOP SLAMMING CONTROLS. Gentle, gradual inputs make a happy, controllable airframe. A happy airframe makes a happy chief. A happy chief doesn't bust your balls cause they're changing the swash again.

  • @CasmoTV

    @CasmoTV

    Жыл бұрын

    Too true.

  • @gobdav

    @gobdav

    Жыл бұрын

    So....don't think, just do? :)

  • @williamferguson284

    @williamferguson284

    Жыл бұрын

    @@gobdav oh nice Maverick ref :)

  • @mecampbell30
    @mecampbell30 Жыл бұрын

    I needed this. DCS virtual ground crew looking at me like I'm drunk.

  • @signore_yeti
    @signore_yeti Жыл бұрын

    Huey is good practice for this as it doesn’t have a hud/Monocle so you have to look up and out and ‘read’ the terrain. Try the lift off but without the monocle.

  • @thorstenh1976
    @thorstenh1976 Жыл бұрын

    Good pedals made a difference for me in managing Helicopters

  • @alexandrsavochkin9442
    @alexandrsavochkin9442 Жыл бұрын

    When I fly Huey or Mi-8 in DCS I look outside of the helicopter so I can hover (more or less). In Apache I need to force myself to not stare at the acceleration/velocity cue and look at the surroundings, because looking at the cue makes it much harder for me to stabilize the hover (despite I believe that it was designed to help you with hovering, not to distract your attention :) )

  • @kainan613
    @kainan613 Жыл бұрын

    These short and specific videos are great resources for learning this thing, thanks a ton!

  • @CakePrincessCelestia
    @CakePrincessCelestia Жыл бұрын

    3:53 Nailed it, especially that play with jets part :D

  • @haleycbrrr
    @haleycbrrr Жыл бұрын

    I found for me, great practice to "getting on top of everything at once" is switching from CPG seat back to pilot seat whilst in a hover. Yet another great vid, thanks for putting all this stuff out and for taking the time, I've had so much fun learning the Apache!

  • @alapone9996
    @alapone9996 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the videos it's really helped a lot. I've only just started using the Apache in the last couple of weeks and haven't even fired the weapons. My main focus has been taking off and hovering and a little bit of low level flying. Personally for me I'll enjoy the other parts of the Apache once I've mastered the hovering. I'm using the turtle beach stick with twist but have just received my WinWing Hotas which should help a lot.

  • @EduardusLee
    @EduardusLee Жыл бұрын

    Loving these video's about controlling the aircraft. Would love to see more like this, including more advanced and evasive maneuvering from hover and flight in motion!

  • @Slick263
    @Slick263 Жыл бұрын

    I think this community sometimes takes for granted what it's got. We've got an awesomely detailed world to play fighter pilot/apache pilot and get ourselves into all sorts of mischief. And we've got people like you, C.W Lemoine and a few others (I forget their names, but if you know any reply to this so I have more content creators to follow!) who have done this for real and are willing to bear with those of us who didn't go to flight school and maybe didn't even finish high school as we try learn how to pilot these awesome machines from the safety of our own homes. Thanks for your work Casmo!

  • @0BuLLeT01
    @0BuLLeT01 Жыл бұрын

    Great tips, thanks Casmo. I do struggle with this at night, taking off or landing with a regular combat load. I think a lack of peripheral vision hampers my ability to get ahead of the aircraft quickly enough. Practice, practice, practice.

  • @mcbookie3680
    @mcbookie3680 Жыл бұрын

    “Get frustrated and go play with jets which is lame” LOL. So good! This last year and a half I’ve gotten so into Heli’s on DCS multiplayer, a lot more entertaining because not only are other players trying to kill you, but so is the ground and the helicopter itself sometimes.

  • @Cozfx
    @Cozfx Жыл бұрын

    Good stuff Casmo. This is where I hope they add a windsock to the airfields so we can predict effects on the aircraft movement. Holding a tail-wind hover is much harder than off the nose.

  • @donnie8813

    @donnie8813

    Жыл бұрын

    Wind Socks are already in the game, they have to be placed via ME but they work from what I can remember

  • @frogisis
    @frogisis Жыл бұрын

    oh dang this is super helpful, thank you up til now i've just been flying drunk to cancel it out

  • @ItreboR63I
    @ItreboR63I Жыл бұрын

    Great Video Casmo, can't wait to get the Apache! Love my Hind but still haven't mastered her.

  • @ShuRugal
    @ShuRugal Жыл бұрын

    Wish I had someone to give all these tips in 2008 when I was learning the Black Shark. That's an even easier helicopter to fly, and it was still giving me fits when I was new. Only stuck with it because, as you said, going to play with jets is lame.

  • @user-fn8gx1zp6k
    @user-fn8gx1zp6k Жыл бұрын

    Чувствуется рука профессионала!!!

  • @n4d3m4n
    @n4d3m4n Жыл бұрын

    I just keep flying every helicopter in DCS as much as I can and memorize by feel the rough positions of the cyclic and pedals on liftoff. A force feedback stick would really help with the trimmer, but i've got my own janky system to trim as well. I have stopped trimming for hover as well and my hovers have gotten better for the AH64. Although at a target area, I prefer a subtle 10-20 kt strafe, especially against BMPs with toe missiles.

  • @simaddiction
    @simaddiction Жыл бұрын

    As a kid.....many years ago now......I was always fascinated with helicopters. I actually wanted to go in the Army and fly them, but alas my eyes were not good enough. Thanks for the video Cas.

  • @timme9206
    @timme9206 Жыл бұрын

    Very good Video again. You gotta anticipate what the aircraft is doing...that is the hey point in aviation. Whether it's a hover in a helo or AAR in the fixed wing department. The more experience you have on your chosen mod the better you'll get at it...hopefully that is. 😉 I fly in VR only. It gives me the perfect immersion and 3D vision. Especially helpfull in a helo. Thanks Casmo for sharing this video. You're the man. Let's go put some warheads on foreheads 🤘🏻😄 (I love that line of yours...can't ya tell 😇)

  • @ComdrStew
    @ComdrStew Жыл бұрын

    Just came back after a few months and noticed the yaw trim is working correctly now. You barely have to use the pedals as much to takeoff now. I think a lot of people use too much input, but they are also using a desktop stick with no extension. I would recommend at least a 20cm extension for better control. Relax your grip and just control it with light tension. With the extension you only have to move the stick with a couple fingers.

  • @apocalypticweasel9078

    @apocalypticweasel9078

    Жыл бұрын

    yep should be first stop before attempting the apache i got thousands of hours in the dcs huey and i just forget about all the electronics in the apache and the monocle i fly it like none of that is there an she behave impeccably well

  • @ComdrStew

    @ComdrStew

    Жыл бұрын

    @@apocalypticweasel9078 I know the FM is not there yet, but it is still very good. I was on a multiplayer server a couple days ago and had a fighter trying to shoot us down. I dipped through the valley and the fighter could not get a lock. I finally headed back to the Farp and he tried to follow us, SAM at the Farp took him out, lol.

  • @bertrandbarbe245
    @bertrandbarbe245 Жыл бұрын

    nice video as usual. You can get rid of the mesmerizing monocular by pressing "I" and learn to fly the bird with a better impression of movement. For overcontroling issues,try to fly the thing link an umbrella on your fingertip.

  • @macedk
    @macedk Жыл бұрын

    Good tips :)

  • @sfertonoc
    @sfertonoc Жыл бұрын

    “You’re gona get frustrated and play with the jets, which is lame” haha, best helo pilot quote.

  • @airfigueruelo3644
    @airfigueruelo3644 Жыл бұрын

    Best Hover IA George Mode On :)

  • @zoranbrasnjo7488
    @zoranbrasnjo7488 Жыл бұрын

    Regarding wobbling i discovered that it is not necessary to apply curve/saturation to all axis but only on the roll axis. I have warthog stick with circa 20cm extension: pitch-all default,no curve, roll- linear &35% saturation, yaw 20% curve, default saturation. This settings made it so much controllable for me.

  • @tracerfacer6234
    @tracerfacer6234 Жыл бұрын

    "you'll go play with the jets which is lame." 🤣

  • @ImpendingJoker
    @ImpendingJoker Жыл бұрын

    Half the time I don't even flip down the monocle till after I finish initial climbout. I am looking outside the the whole time and for me it is easier to hover without all that extra stuff than it is with it.

  • @Skidjit
    @Skidjit Жыл бұрын

    OMG, this is soooo me.

  • @MrHollyshitdude
    @MrHollyshitdude Жыл бұрын

    Blaze it

  • @brianpmessier4977
    @brianpmessier4977 Жыл бұрын

    See the motion, stop the motion, settle down!.

  • @ISNOTDEAD11
    @ISNOTDEAD11 Жыл бұрын

    Hey @CasmoTV can you make a short video about aerobatics please? I'd love to understand the hammerhead maneuver! Thx

  • @antonbatura8385
    @antonbatura8385 Жыл бұрын

    Took me awhile to figure out that I don't need pedal input for hover. The aircraft holds the heading all by herself, it seems, although sometimes we fight for control a little bit. Which can be annoying.

  • @R0gue0ne
    @R0gue0ne Жыл бұрын

    Nice. Now if I could only get taxiing down. Rudder pedals do my head in....

  • @kalli71
    @kalli71 Жыл бұрын

    single biggest problem with the Apache is framerates. if you have less than 30fps (especially in VR), then you can'[t possibly fly the heli. no chance for a stable hover. So check the fps, lower the gfx settings until you have stable above 30. before that dont evbe try to fly this. Other than that of course its not easy, but after 2 weeks of flying on e hour here and there i am comfortable to land on a rooftop (or hove abvove it for that matter)

  • @krusty1974
    @krusty1974 Жыл бұрын

    My recipe for stability is: freeze the controls. Just don’t move then at all. Fix axes one by one then freeze it again. Move to the next one. Collective: pick the chopper up then freeze it. As one gets better the amount of deviation following the inactivity of the controls will shrink. You’r wobbling? Freeze everything. Deal with axes patiently and individually Hover: don’t do it! Just stabilize your axes. Hovering should not be the aim, it’s just a consequence.

  • @valuedhumanoid6574
    @valuedhumanoid6574 Жыл бұрын

    Hey Casmo. Just a quick note concerning a lot of gripes I have had. I have the stable (non beta) version of DCS. They just released the update finally that the beta guys have had for a few months now. Holy smokes! They made some HUGE improvements regarding the Apache. Other than the visual improvements to lighting and graphics they reworked the infamous SAS SATURATION that used to drive me nuts. Now it's just a short beep and the message flashes briefly. So much nicer not having that thing yelling at you. Overall the Apache just works smoother. Maybe it's just me, but I am trying to find update list to see what all they added/changed/removed. Or a video. If you know of such a thing, please share. I will keep looking and hope to see a new video from you soon!

  • @Qnnrad
    @Qnnrad Жыл бұрын

    So, tl;dr - get good :D In other words - practice!

  • @RoXzzTT
    @RoXzzTT Жыл бұрын

    Great vid @Casmo, one question- I get into a hover with little to no rudder input, i am guessing that's the heading hold taking effect is this a correct assumption?

  • @CasmoTV

    @CasmoTV

    Жыл бұрын

    Correct. Once you get weight off the wheels.

  • @RoXzzTT

    @RoXzzTT

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CasmoTV Thank you

  • @waynechastain4683
    @waynechastain4683 Жыл бұрын

    How did you put the SRS overlay in the base of your monicle?

  • @jameshewitt8828
    @jameshewitt8828 Жыл бұрын

    Have you also tried the helicopters on Microsoft Flight Simulator and what do you think?

  • @Benny-high5
    @Benny-high5 Жыл бұрын

    i never trim the choppers. i use muscle memory.

  • @MrHetmanek
    @MrHetmanek Жыл бұрын

    Do you unlock the tail wheel so that you get a feel how much it wants to spin?

  • @CasmoTV

    @CasmoTV

    Жыл бұрын

    No. Keep it locked

  • @longdongvondiqenbaum
    @longdongvondiqenbaum Жыл бұрын

    Every time I let go of the cyclic my aircraft starts pitching up and rolling until it crashes, this is on the runway instant action mission.

  • @CasmoTV

    @CasmoTV

    Жыл бұрын

    Have you trimmed it?

  • @Ryak84
    @Ryak84 Жыл бұрын

    Apache unflyable? lol ... uhm i guess those are ka-50 drivers (the shark is so easy to fly u can use a gamepad). Yes the flight model needs some work (its EA), but its far from unflyable. Those peiple should start practicing on the UH-1 (no fancy pants SAS to save your butcheeks).

  • @hernzo9798
    @hernzo9798 Жыл бұрын

    Weird chopper to fly u gotta treat like a fixed wing a/c u need forward movement to get some sort of control

  • @CasmoTV

    @CasmoTV

    Жыл бұрын

    Disagreed. I’ve trimmed it to a hover from lift off and taken my hands off the controls. It just takes some babying to get into position.

  • @macedk

    @macedk

    Жыл бұрын

    Nothing fixed wing about at all :). But every input has a consequence, so 0.00001 makes it go that way. I have to have some deadzone and curve due the physical controller. I whish we could get a readout of our inputs in numbers. For racing games we have motec and 1 ex. was me doing a xxx.21 lap and another doing a xxx19 lap. If you watch it on video, it is impossible to tell, but in motec, it is very clear. Also make a video just for yourself and then you can see your possible overcontrolling.

  • @hernzo9798

    @hernzo9798

    Жыл бұрын

    @@macedk I’m fish tailing all over the place wouldn’t dar hit the trim button in transition to hover I always line it up push the cyclic forward and treat it like a plane lol

  • @ziljanvega3879
    @ziljanvega3879 Жыл бұрын

    Jets are lame, you heard it here folks.

  • @poopdiver4581
    @poopdiver4581 Жыл бұрын

    If the symbol is creating a trendency the pilot chase, why didn't they(military )redesign it to go opposite the way? That's killing me. I like mi24p bs123 mi8 flying experiences as they are smooth to fly, and autopilot sys is doing really pro. When flying with ah64d, i feel no good and a bit frastrated ,even more the auto hold alat function always disengaging itself and failing to activate. It's just like an incompleted autopilot system installed to it and not to a usable standard(maybe just not for me), but the strange thing is that they are actually using it in reality today.

  • @CasmoTV

    @CasmoTV

    Жыл бұрын

    I mean it’s a bold statement to make that an aircraft that has world wide sales of over 2400 is incomplete. Especially when you’re making that comparison to a video game that is, by its own admission, incomplete.

  • @DanielDrake
    @DanielDrake Жыл бұрын

    play with the jets because it's lame? I couldn't agree more

  • @Josiah_Trelawny1
    @Josiah_Trelawny1 Жыл бұрын

    i dont get the point of the video. in the beginning you say: "even if you dont have trouble [...]" what do we learn here? use your trimmer to trim out the Apache to get a stable hover?

  • @CasmoTV

    @CasmoTV

    Жыл бұрын

    KZread is like a buffet. You can take what you like and leave what you don’t want.

  • @Josiah_Trelawny1

    @Josiah_Trelawny1

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CasmoTV maybe this video is not for me.

  • @CasmoTV

    @CasmoTV

    Жыл бұрын

    I can’t please everyone all the time. Not my job. 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @zaldronthesage

    @zaldronthesage

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Josiah_Trelawny1 You should write about it in your blog bro.

  • @Josiah_Trelawny1

    @Josiah_Trelawny1

    Жыл бұрын

    @@zaldronthesage whats wrong now? cant you take a lil bit of critique?

  • @MattJonesGR9
    @MattJonesGR93 ай бұрын

    There's 3 options for the trim button. Which one do you use please ?

  • @CasmoTV

    @CasmoTV

    3 ай бұрын

    The top (forward) is the trim release. Press that, move controls, unpress.

  • @MattJonesGR9

    @MattJonesGR9

    3 ай бұрын

    @@CasmoTV Thanks 😊

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