I bought some eBay film from a seller in Hawaii. Definitely avoid film from the tropics 😂

@maxkent

Жыл бұрын

You gotta be careful!

@MrHerrera805

23 күн бұрын

I picked up some really cool expired film from the tropics. It had a special, sealed metal tube around it.

I’ve searched for examples of shooting expired Fuji Provia 100f and landed here on your year old video. I have about 20 rolls of Provia 100f that expired in 2005. I appreciate this video of yours. With b&w film and color negative film, I have had great success following the 1 stop per decade recommendation. However, I treat each roll slightly differently when I know how it had been stored. After trying one medium format roll of this Provia with the 1 stop per decade guide and getting 12 shots of blue-ish mud.. I’m planning on following this 1/2 stop per decade advice from Emulsive and this video for this Provia 100f E6 film. Thanks!

@jomy10-games

2 ай бұрын

Slide film actually degrades less fast than color negative, so 1/2 stop per decade is a good idea for slide film!

10, 15, 20 years all look underexposed.

@dagr8kerek

10 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking

Thank you for this, it was really interesting and the comparison of pictures next to each other was great 👌🏻

@maxkent

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Hopefully people feel a bit more confident with expired film 😎

One of the best videos I've seen on expired film. Well explained and was good to see a side by side comparisons with various aged stock.

@maxkent

9 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot dude!

Great video! Probably the first time I've seen proper side-by-side comparisons of expired films. Would be interesting to re-do this with higher ISO films like 400 and 800. Will be trying to shoot 400 ISO expired film from 2015 today. On the fence about overexposing, but will probably try 1/3 or 2/3 stops overexposure on some pictures.

@maxkent

Жыл бұрын

So glad this helped you!

@corbensurio1022

3 ай бұрын

Just found your comment from a year ago, but wondering what your results were for this test. I just received a bunch of rolls of expired 2015 Tri-X 400TX Black and White that had been sitting in my BIL camera bag and wanted to try them out. Based on Max's video I'll probably go 2/3 stop overexposed for ten years expired, but wondering what you wound up doing if you can recall?

@AtuPC_Fi

3 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@corbensurio1022I just checked the pictures. I shot the roll at stock speed, but did one with 1/3 overexposure. The film was Fuji Superia X-tra 400, so a color film that expired in 2015. To my knowledge it was stored at room temperature. The pictures have this green haze in the darker areas, weird-ish colors and an overall underexposed look. The grain is also quite noticable. The one overexposed image is slightly better but with such little overexposure, it didn't help much. The negatives don't look that bad in terms of base fog, but they look a little thin. I think you'll have a much better experience with B/W. What I've gathered, overexposure shouldn't hurt, or maybe I'm thinking about pushing. If they were stored even a bit cooler, I would shoot a roll at box speed with a few overexposures. Otherwise a stop over might do the trick.

I managed to buy a few rolls of Kodak ektar 25 that have been in the freezer fresh since purchase.

@aeyb701

Жыл бұрын

A decade ago got a block of Royal Gold 25 35mm Film, expired 1999. Still looks fresh after shoot and process. The prices for expired emulsion often exceeds the current stuff these days, so I stick to buying very slow box speeds.

So true! Excellent job. There's a lot of false info out there. I was told by "experts" to shoot expired 8 & 16mm movie film at f1.9. I wasted a lot of film until I figured out I was drastically overexposing my film. I was always blaming my developers. Today I shot 30 year old 120 film at new film settings and got great B&W images with D-76.

@maxkent

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dale, that’s great to hear! It can be complicated because we don’t always no how it’s stored but usually we don’t have to overexpose as much as we think!

@Kwright304

8 ай бұрын

I can’t imagine an actual expert would tell you to shoot at f1.9 without knowing how much light or what your shutter speed would be. Shooting at 1.9 is only 1/3 of your exposure options so there’s a lot going on there you could do to shoot at 1.9 and keep exposure

@andredingstertsao

Ай бұрын

@@Kwright304many say that because they assume that whole 10 year per stop theory is an absolute axiom. My father leaves a tons of expired B&W films which expired in the 90s. They were stored in the fridge for a while but then just normal conditions. I have been experimenting and found that most of the rolls are doing fine at box speed. There may be some light leaks here and there there but in general overexpose two to three stops would be disastrous.

@Kwright304

Ай бұрын

@@andredingstertsao yeah, either way you can’t select aperture without knowing the conditions

Nice channel. It can be handy looking at the negs when trying to figure out if you got the best exposure - how dense they are etc.

@maxkent

Жыл бұрын

Hey thanks a lot! That’s a top tip too

Well you can do this too: Low the iso by two stops if is asa 400 or above, lower asa you can shot it on one stop lower or leave it as stock, then in the processing of development you can over reveal it by a couple of minutes depending on the time is it expired, with this you can have good results, never use the stock times to reveal expired film. In my experience b&w film is a lot easier to work with when is expired that color.

I just came across 1980s Kodak FX 135-20 black and white fine grain film. Looks like it was stored at room temp in a dry climate. What would you recommend?

I’m started to use some of my expired film , do I develop the pulled expired film on pulled iso or box speed iso

I have five rolls of Fujifilm, "superia X-tra 400. " It expired March, 2007. a friend of mine found it in her dad's dresser drawer. I will be shooting this, maybe this spring / summer.

@volodymyrbratique3039

5 ай бұрын

i just bought xtra 400 expired 2019/06 and now thinking about should i overexpose it or leave with stock exposure settings. wish me luck💀

Thank you!!!

I recenty spent 10 days on King Island off Tasmania's North West Coast / Bass Strait / and carried my trust-worthy Canon AE1+P with 15+ year old Fuji Superia 400 which I had kept in the 'Fridge. No exposure compensation - end results were grainy with an art-like character. Clouds were rendered most interestingly. If I were to do this again I would employ exposure compensation especially when the light was dull-ish. Old Film can produce some very interesting results

I just got a camera from the 90s with a 12exp film inside not used i do believe its been 20yr+ there now so im quite afraid since its a 100iso film

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For 200 ISO, mine expired last 2015. Shooting it in 100 ISO is fine? Thanks for the tips by the way!

The 15 years old is the best vintage looking ❤

I have a Kodak Gold 200 ISO film, that has expired in December 1999. I don't know where it has been stored. Does that I mean that I have to shoot at 50 ISO, so I can get the best results ?

I found an old film in my boxes How can I tell if it is used or not?

I have an about 50 year old 400ft reel of Tri-x motion picture film. It's iso was originally 320 iso, but I shoot iso 20 and it works well.

Hi I've got some colour 1600 film that is max 10 years old. I stored it normally so am really unsure what kind of overexposure would be good to test on it? Should I overexpose it more due to the sensitivity?

@maxkent

Жыл бұрын

Yeah you might want to overexpose it a little more due to its sensitivity. It could look pretty bad because it’s 1600 but it’s worth a try!

great content, but i have a question, is it the same for black and white film?, can you do the same video with b&w film to see the comparation, love you content, thanks

@maxkent

Жыл бұрын

Black and white lasts a lot longer, I left a little note in the description about this!

I've shot expired film from the 30's. I shoot mostly expired film. Usually anything under 200 iso, I add .5 per decade and 1 stop for iso over 200 per decade, max 5 stops.

I love expired film. I have a heap of Kodak B & W panchromatic negative 16mm cine film expired in the mid 50s that is in sealed, mint condition. I have it in the freezer, but I don't know it's storage history although by the look of the boxes it's been stored very well. Two boxes have the flap seal cut and the sealed cans inside are mint, still gloss black and no trace of rust. I'm yet to shoot any, but i will be experimenting with different developers and times and I might even try reversing some. My only issue is the stock has no indication of it's ISO. I don't know whether it's fast or slow. My experience is that it probably cant be any more than 200 or less than 50. I can't find any information on it. If you or anyone has any ideas, it's "Kodak Panchromatic Negative Safety Film" All yellow box, plain black print and the emulsion starts with 72 which i can only find as meaning acetate base. Good vlog, lots of great information to play with.

@maxkent

Жыл бұрын

Hey! I would assume that it may be pretty bad at this point, 70 years old and you don’t know how it’s been stored. I would suggest asking Reddit, make a little post with all that information. There’s a hell of a lot of people in the know on Reddit so you’ll get a pretty good idea of what you should do with this!

@randallstewart1224

9 ай бұрын

Who cares? The best history here is that someone gave this stuff to avoid the trouble of putting it in the garbage. If you paid ten cents for it, you are an idiot, so there would be no reason to get further involved here.

Your 20 year example seems underexposed, the other look about fine. I recently shot a 12 years expired Superia 1600 that was stored in a fridge until 4 years ago. Shot at 520 ISO (1/3rd over 400, whatever that amounts to). Turned out surprisingly good: no noticeable colour shift and surprisingly fine grain (for such a sensitive film, that is). Not much detail in shadows nor highlights, though; it's extremely high contrast. But that could just be the nature of such a high ISO film and it might not have been better even when fresh.

Mines been stored in a cupboard...can I still put them into. A freezer?

for iso200 30+ years with average conditions?

Hey Max! I've recently purchased some unused films(konica centuria 100) from an old man for about £5. He said they were stored in a wooden cupboard in his shop(studio). Once i got home, films started producing an awful (sour-ish) smell. Should I still shoot those films? They expired in 2009.

@maxkent

Жыл бұрын

Hey! I’ve never heard of film starting to smell sour-ish. It could be the way they were stored or the type of film. I’d suggest popping this info into a film subreddit cos someone will definitely know what you need to do 😎

What do u mean by stop??

I don't think that 10 years = 1 steep rule be fully true, in fact I'm in the middle of this rule and your opinion, but... I'm in Spain and where I live, summer use to be in highs 30⁰ and over 40⁰. It's mean that film over 15 years old use to be useless, even with the 1 steep rule (or 1 1/2 seeps).

I’ve shot a b/w roll expired in 1988 and the pictures came out perfectly

@MrBlompod

2 ай бұрын

Did you adjust your camera down a few stops?

I just wouldn't bother, most of the time you can push it in post anyway

There are great pictures for the age of film.

W vid

if it called vista, it was agfa vista and good quality

@maxkent

Жыл бұрын

Hey, I think it was Agfa vista and it must be alright because it lasted a good while

How about 70 years old film??

@maxkent

5 ай бұрын

Now that’s a big one. Once again would depend on how it’s been stored. I’d assume it’d be black and white so that gives it more chance of survival! I’d probably be over exposing by 2-3 stops

American here. We casually use cough up a lung casually. I think its from the big anti tobacco campaign back in the 80s and 90s

If I do end up overexposing by a full or half stop do I get the to push it at my lab still?

@maxkent

4 ай бұрын

Nah I wouldn’t bother if you’re only overexposing by that much. Most people do that anyway 👍

Interesting... my results over the years were very different! With colour negative film, I already overexpose it one stop when fresh. Then I overexpose one stop per decade, plus one additional stop. Standard lab developement.. that has worked best for me! Apart from the storage conditions the emulsion itself makes a big difference. Kodacolor II from the late 70´s fro example ages extremely poorely and comes out dark green with no images whatsoever. 3M/Ferrania film from the same era usually still yields usable contrasts even if stored hot.

One rule which comes out of this video is that if you consider buying film more than 5 years expired, particularly color negative film, if the seller cannot tell you how the film has been stored, you are a fool to pay more than a small amount, say, 50 cents a roll of 35mm or 120. Another rule is that the popular "rule" on YT to rate speed on expired film to over-expose one stop for every ten years old is just nonsense. Doing this may give a better result than "box speed", but it's more likely to just over expose the film. If you want to risk your time, photo opportunity, and processing cost to save a few dollars per roll using expired film of unknown history, then shoot a roll, all the same shot representative of the type of photography you do, then ask the processor to split the roll into three parts to be developed as normal, with 1 stop push, and 2 stops push. Scan or push each to see results and proceed accordingly, including a trip to the bin if indicated. Many processors may not be willing to do this for you, as they use machines which automatically load film from the cartridge. 120 film tends to be handled in the dark for loading, so that may be more available. The bottom line on expired film is that there are no reliable "rules" for exposing and processing film expired for more than a year or two. If you expend any significant expense on setting up a photo opportunity and pay a lab to process your film, there is no rational economic reason to shoot expired film unless (1) someone gave it to you, and (2) you fully test the film in advance to determine how it will perform. The dozens of YT videos suggesting otherwise are just bullshit authored by folks who are just trying to post another video to maintain their YT publication commitment, regardless of lack of value to the content.

Man, we overexpose new stock by one stop to get good shadow detail, what are you talking about? Any of those films you exposed should have one stop over or any 5 years at least!