Happy (almost) 2022! We are so thankful to have you here with us and we're wishing you the best for the coming year! We've JUST finished the insulation today (as I publish this video) and we CANNOT WAIT to share it with you! What do YOU think of today's insulation convo? Would love your feedback :) Let's chat below, and don't forget to sub for more! Snuggles from Millie!! xoxo

@sterlingthompson1736

2 жыл бұрын

Faithfully watching every video from the edge of Prague! You guys ROCK!

@smallhikerbitch4098

2 жыл бұрын

Will you ever do another series of Van Reviews?!

@teresaromerogarcia7611

2 жыл бұрын

GRACIAS POR ASESORAR, PERO ES UN TRABAJO DE UN GRAN PROFESIONAL NO TODO EL MUNDO ES APTO PARA LLEVARLO A CABO.

@Scott-wz4sc

3 күн бұрын

Did you talk about a vapour barrier? The kids are Bob the apple in next doors fish pond! will have to finish watching later!

What I feel should've been talked about is the condensation on metal when the temperatures inside and outside are different. For that reason stuff like Armaflex is great. I personally don't understand why you'd like to put wires under the insulation though. Just more convenient to put them on top where they are more reachable when you want to modify/add/delete parts of the electricals.

@hackmagic9169

9 ай бұрын

wire routing takes up a surprising amount of space in such a small area, especially if you want it all to still be accessible. Chances are you will have built significant internals on top of the routing and will be loath to change it anyway as you will rip out lots of stuff. And with careful planning you are unlikely to actually change the wiring arrangement. It's actually less planning than you would put in to try to make the surface wiring still accessible but still discreet.

@hackmagic9169

9 ай бұрын

i have also used armaflex on parts of the van (internal side of interior ply panels on rear and side door, where rigid board is difficult to fit and spray foam will interfere with door mechanisms. it works very well, however, where there is a large temp gradient (~40C in alpine winter as insulation for the Maxxfan port) i find that it degasses a bit and shrinks by about 3% (1cm across a 35cm width). not sure whats happened in the door panels

Personally, I like to see the thought process of why you build the way you are. Then to see it come together in a plus. Thanks for sharing!

@ladiandmargaret

2 жыл бұрын

So happy to hear it! I hope these types of videos can expand upon what we think and talk about behind the scenes. Hope you have a wonderful NY!

@vukkomsija

2 жыл бұрын

@@ladiandmargaret why bother showing us the process with video, when you can talk about it :D

@1truthseeking8

Ай бұрын

Tapped moisture, Vapor build up. Condensation...MOLD ... where is the video on "cold roof" method exterior insulation THEN ventilated air flow gap AND "perfect wall/100 year wall"/BSE 101 method for interior/home insulation​ .. Are you familiar? .@@ladiandmargaret

@1truthseeking8

Ай бұрын

​@@ladiandmargaret also, are you familiar with: Ants & Termites EATING *rigid foam board* ...not just mice, but ants, meal worms, termites etc WILL turn it into a fine powder!!!!!!!! There are *ant & termite resistant* foam boards but I am have not heard anyone specify how they do in the real world ... ??

Hi Margaret, your comment on security made me remember supplying a used vehicle to someone in a dangerous part of the world. He requested a "kill" switch installed on the vehicle that could be surreptitiously activated if they were held up at gunpoint! It had to have a delay incorporated of I think 30 minutes, long enough for the robbers to get away from them and then be impossible to re-start. They would then be far enough away to keep the owner safe from retribution. I never heard if it was ever activated, but he seemed happy with the installation. Many thanks for another interesting video.

I love these kinds of videos!! I am doing a vanbuild right now and I have a building science university degree. I want to add onto the vapour barrier debate. First of all, I get why you would want to add a vapour barrier, I know the importance of it in a house. However, there are a few fundamental differences between a house and a van: metal exterior and diy building. For a vapour barrier to work, every puncture of the barrier needs to be sealed again. If done perfectly the vapour barrier adds to the build big time, but if done imperfectly, it has the opposite affect. Where the screws go through (metal and therefore can get quite cold in some situations) condensation can happen, which due to the barrier cant escape. Mold will form around the screws there. Also how sure are you that the outside of the van is air tight (for years and years)? After buying an old van I am not too sure that this is the case for our van (even after doing so much work on it to try). If it is not air/water tight in a tiny spot, condensation will happen that has no way to quickly dry out and therefore mold will form. I know that this is a fairly new discussion for van life, but RVs are around for longer and they are made with vapour barriers. Older Rvs are now full of mold, that is why they always have a very distinctive smell. I decided on getting an water absorbing insulation that is good against mold (sheeps wool) and a construction without vapour barrier that has a lot of breathability (insulation, air gap, cladding which is what they would do in a house). Mold in a small tiny house is very unhealthy and toxic, I would not risk it!! Also: consider what kind of particles insulation is emitting. Usually, normal house insulation is not fitted for tiny homes because it is harder to create the passive ventilation (in housing MANDATORY, when using non natural insulation and building materials) that keeps the air clean enough to breath safely. Thats why tiny houses are often insulated with wool as well!

@jwrathall

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Marit, I'm an architect, who has some experience in detailing building envelopes. At least in Australia (I can't speak on other places) there is a strong move to using vapour PERMEABLE membranes, such as CSR Enviroseal Proctorwrap. The difference between this and traditional vapour barriers is that the permeable ones are designed to allow water vapour to transfer without air (and hence your thermal air barrier). This is important in preventing moisture trapping in the insulation zone and causing mould, but that moisture will transfer into the van. However, if there is an air gap and a vapour barrier, vapour will collect, and run down to the bottom, which is where Margaret rightly said to keep the channels with drip holes free. As for breathing /cooking /other things ;) you need to open the roof vents /windows and allow some air to come in and out.

@MLA..

2 жыл бұрын

Wool is a good insulation if it can breath, it absorbs moisture so it needs air movement to dry if it gets wet. If you want to learn best practices you can learn a lot from the professionals that specialize in construction and insulating metal sided buildings.

@jessieandtalie

Жыл бұрын

So I am just barely holding on here in terms of having a verrry basic understanding of insulation but an allergy to mold. I heard a Canadian gent speak about Sheep’s wool in the context of eventually it will sift and not hold an even insulation. And the possibility of it molding. He suggested a few things the only one I can remember is a kind of ceramic insulation? You and May I ask you both what you think of cork as an insulator in a van?

@lindasams6058

Жыл бұрын

Interesting 🧐 I am building my van as we speak I covered as much of my walls as I could with sound deadening now I am stuffing with wool wool wool: According to Margaret on the video I stuffed too much wool in the bottom of the van where your weep holes are so I took all of my wool out and I struggled trying to find something to put in the bottom to hold the wool up off of the bottom to keep the wool from getting wet from the weep holes : which when taking my wool out I had found a small area where some water had already made its way in and got a very small area of my wool wet ::: the way my van is built There is no way to put the wool over top of my cavities that go down in there without the WOOL falling in so I am taking plastic fencing Rolling it in small rolls and strapping it to stay in this shape with zip ties everything will be plastic nothing should rust nothing should really rot that way I can still insulate a little bit down in there to help keep my floors a little warmer if interested I can send you a picture of how I did this with your education of vapor barrier I’m hoping this will work of --- worrying about moisture getting in and causing me mold problems is really a concern for me as I am 70 and going to be going on the road “ hopefully with my almost “100” year old MOTHER “ She wants her last adventure ;) I’m working hard and fast to get this going this little setback caused me some time : however ; I am very glad I saw Margaret’s video :::::: Linda ANYONE HAVE ANY POINTERS FOR ME IS ALWAYS WELCOME --- I hope to be running a small dehumidifier and an air cleaner No mold is a must for us 😷

Very helpful (and in our case, reassuring) video. We used foam core for the floors, thinsulate for the walls/ceiling and were gifted some wool, so we used that to stuff the nooks and crannies. In conjunction with our Espar heater, we are very comfortable in the van when it's cold outside. .

@lyndseygolden7546

2 жыл бұрын

Having watched a bazillion van videos I think this is a really useful way of assessing why and how to create the van situation I would actually be able to use most happily. I like what your doing it shows a greater base of knowledge than just fawning over a creation and not understanding why or how to make good choices. Keep doing this.

@4Hester

2 жыл бұрын

Which Espar Gwenn? Air or coolant

@gwennbaldwin5901

2 жыл бұрын

@@4Hester heat for the Espar (water and air). Our AC is a 12v Dometic.

I love that you are doing so much research on each component of your van build… then educating us. I appreciate knowing some techy stuff before watching that section of your van build being implemented.

I love these pre videos with the theory, I think for anyone genuinely interested in building a van, this is the most helpful type of video!

@ladiandmargaret

2 жыл бұрын

that is so cool to hear! KZread has become so overwhelming with build videos that I even find myself getting lost in information. You've got me excited to do more of these!

@ygreq

2 жыл бұрын

@@ladiandmargaret Please do!

I own a converted cargo van, it has panel windows behind driver and on the slide door, 10x33 widows on either side of the raised fixed bed and two roof fans. Here's my thought on insulation: Insulate? Sure but I think the whole thing is over thought and overblown. Millie's got it right (wool), and don't go crazy - KISS. Not only is a van a tin can with windows, unlike a house or apartment, it moves! The climate can literally change in a matter of hours and then again, and again ..... Spend the time and money elsewhere. Here's what I did to compliment and assist the Havelock Wool I have in the walls and ceiling, and foam board in the floor: Rixen's heat & hot water system, Cruise N Comfort 24v AC and a power system that can handle it, limo-tinted the windows and, had all the windows coated with IR heat reflecting ceramic film - even the windshield. My van will be just as comfy in Phoenix as it will be in Calgary. I hope :-)

I only always hear insulation in the context of being warm, but insulation works two ways. A well insulated house or vehicle can also be a lot cooler. Given that you also do the same as in the winter, keeping all the doors and windows closed when it's outside warmer then inside (ideally also darken windows). When an AC is being used, this also means that the AC will work a lot more efficient. In general rockwool is always a very decent go-to, not as good as foam boards but cheaper. Just not really nice to work with (nasty, but NOT lethal) , not as bad as glass wool. The more organic kinds are really nice on paper, on practice their R-values are kind of sad unfortunately (as much as I REALLY wish that wasn't the case) Personally I always just go for hybrid approaches. There is no reason to go only for one type of material only.

@gregoirepainchaud

2 жыл бұрын

Rockwool is actually pretty safe. Just wear a dust mask and you're good to go. My plan for my insulation (I'm very close to that phase in my build) is a combination of as much as I can install foam panels with some sprayed foam to seal, rockwool in the wall conducts and other tight spots or... near door mechanism. And a layer of reflectix covered air bubble plastic wrap. Should be good enough... The bottoms of the walls bothers me to be honest. I really don't want moisture accumulation there, but I don't want cold coming from there either... Maybe the bubble wrap reflectix will be enough there 🤔😅

@laurelanderson-rostami109

Жыл бұрын

How do you recommend insulating for warm weather (within the structure of the van)?

@p_mouse8676

Жыл бұрын

@@laurelanderson-rostami109 basically the same way. Just make sure it stays cool inside instead of getting warm. For example an AC also works much more efficient with better insulation.

So glad to see you addressing this issue. I'm a high school Physics teacher and the lack of proper insulation and dealing with thermal bridges in van conversions drives me crazy!

@Un1234l

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's mostly because most VanLifers are from more temperate and warmer, drier, climates.

in our build, we used Rock Wool and stuffed it everywhere, literally if there was a gap, we put some in there. Not packed it in, just put it in. We took the door panels off stuffed in in there and between the cabin topper and the frame. Then we put a vapor barrier over the walls of reflectix and reflectix tape. then put up the furring strips that gave us a good inch between the reflectix and the wood walls. For the floor and ceiling we used insulated foam boards and reflectix tape. We have spent the night in 18 degree weather by turning the van's heat on for about 10 minutes, and it kept the van warm all night. And yeah, it took us A LONG time to get all that done too.

Thermal barriers are tied up with dew point and interstitial condensation. Warm air will hold a percentage of water, cold air holds less. As the warm air cools there is a point where it has to give up the trapped water. Hence where water filled warm air comes in contact with cold glass, or metal, condensation forms as the air cools. This caused a big issue when people filled their house cavities with insulation as, where previously, the point of condensation was within the cavity, the moisture would drain away, insulating could mean the moisture would form within the insulation soaking it and reducing the level of insulation rather than increasing it. Your point in maintaining clear bottom cavities is well made as the outer skin of the vehicle is likely to get wet on the inside and that water has to go somewhere. Vapour barrier - you don't really want your water filled hot air to escape to somewhere it can cool and condense. If it can escape and come in contact with cold metal it will make the surface of that metal wet. If you trap that water filled warm air this is good, assuming it doesn't cool because then it still has to give up that water. In summary - it's complicated. You don't want air to cool behind or within something that can absorb moisture because it will become wet/damp. Your point that clothes in cupboards are insulation is reasonable except, if the inside face of your sweater is 20ºC, and the outside face is 0ºC, any moisture in the air will be given up between those two points ie, in the middle of your sweater. This is interstitial condensation.

@spiroszaharakis2648

2 жыл бұрын

I will add that clothes in the cupboard will only act as insulation if the cupboards are full and the clothes tight together. Lose clothes here and there in a half full cupboard will insulate nothing.

Thusfar, Ladi has been implimenting all of the ideas I've had in my head for my next van. I REALLY want to know how he plans on designing the convertible shower. Is it a dual shell design, is it using a flexible barrier, does the counter top rise with it, if so, how is he levering it to conform with the van wall, how is the door being designed, is the toilet built in, on a drawer slide, or removable, how is the ducting for the exhaust being routed.. SO many questions. Can't wait to see an indepth video on that one! To add, very few youtubers in our community provide the kind of value add that your channel does. I don't follow many but you both provide such good content, with such great editing and showcasing your amazing personalities that I find myself eagerly waiting for the next video to drop. One area I think your channel could expand to provide more relevant information to the community: Electronics. I dont know how comfortable you both are talking about it, but there are some fantastic resources online that could serve as the basis for an entire series on DIY electrical engineering for the Van community. I'm thinking synchronous buck converter MPPT designs, arduino (WeMos boards for automating via Blynk apps), how to program a rasberry pi to control solenoid valves (I see Ladi is likewise looking to impliment a grey water dump cam, great minds!). An example could be adding auto leveling to your beds actuator system, assuming they're rated for the weight, something I've got on my wish list for my next build. Just an idea, there are so many ways that building a van can serve as a platform for educating people to be more self suficient. Your channel is and will continue to help push the community towards ever greater feats. Thank you.

@teresaromerogarcia7611

2 жыл бұрын

PUEDE SER MUY EDIFICANTE APRENDER, PERO SE NECESITAN HERRAMIENTAS QUE HABITUALMENTE EN UNA CASA NORMAL NO LAS HAY COMO UN CORTADOR Y PULIDOR DE MADERA O UN CORTADOR O DOBLADOR DE TUBOS, O UN CORTADOR DE HIERRO. HAY UNOS UTILES QUE SE UTILIZAN QUE HABITUALMENTE NO ESTAN EN LAS CASAS, COMO COSA NORMAL, ZEL DIA A DIA, NI MUCHA GENTE TIENE UN ALMACEN, PARA TENER TANTAS Y TAN GRANDES HERRAMIENTAS DE PRECISIÓN.

This style of video is similar to your reviews of other van lifer builds. Between your explanations and Ladi's design and build skills, this is bar none the best van build resource out there. It's exactly why I subscribed. More, por favor!

Thank you for making these discussion and theory videos! I'm trying to plan a van build myself and I have a huge collection of van tours that have inspired my layout and features, but everything between the bones and the furniture is a big question mark! I really appreciate all the research you're sharing with us and the space you're offering for different views and experiences.

Insulation is a rather tricky when it comes to van build - we spent ages researching insulating methods before attempting ours, and even now, there are things we could defiantly improve upon. The long and the short of it is, the van is a metal can, that is not really designed to be insulated for human habitation, but we all do what we can. Honestly, next time, we would love to try spray foam insulation, and see how it compares. 😊

@hackmagic9169

9 ай бұрын

it works and is all done in 4 hrs!

I like the idea of the window covers not just having reflectix inside by itself, but also some padding to create an air space. Previously I had abandoned the idea of reflectix window covers.

Your right about the spray foam. It’s the best thing out there I used it. It will also warp your van. I warped mine. That being said if I did it again I would do the roof where insulation is most important and a little warping is no big deal. As far as the sides I feel like if you tape off all your cracks and don’t let the foam between your ribs and the skin of your van you’ll be ok. The one saving grace is you can break it out of the bad spots and the warping goes away. Long story short, one hour to foam the van and 3 days to scrape it from between the ribs to remove MOST of the warping. What the van industry needs is someone to spend a million dollars to test everything there is scientifically and come up with the answer. All anyone can do now is make an educated guess and pray.

Amazing build, attention to detail and functionality. I thought I was the only one who did this when building something. It’s the little things that make the difference. It can get frustrating at times. But we love the struggle. Keep it up!!!

Really enjoyed this format. Its something I really loved about your van design reviews, the intelligent discussion around decisions. As a designer and builder myself I find the information really helpful and interesting. The build is looking so good! Big love to you three and the rest of your community near and far.

I agree 100% with everything you said (use of reflectix as "insulation" and insulating below the floor level and blocking the drains being the ones I see more often) but I disagree with one thing you already did on your van (not sure if the shots were from your previous van or this one). You saw how strong Kingspan is, you said it yourself. So why use battens on the floor then? You can lay the plywood directly over the Kingspan sheets and it will be perfectly fine. That way you will also minimize thermal brakes (even if it's just the floor, which is not really that important unless of course, you do heated floors). If you really need the battens to bolt your furniture on (not really necessary) then just put battens where your furniture will go.

@PresidentBust

2 жыл бұрын

I havent seen anyone suggest this yet. Very interesting idea. I'd love to hear more peoples thoughts on it

@tonyjover

2 жыл бұрын

@@PresidentBust I put an insulated floor in an old barn which I converted to an office/edit suite and I laid 75mm Celotex/Kingspan straight onto the concrete and then boarded over the top with flooring grade chipboard. I experienced zero issues in the 10 years I was there, so I'd go along with Spiro.

@spiroszaharakis2648

2 жыл бұрын

@@PresidentBust kzread.info/dash/bejne/dGut2aqHgd2dlqw.html

@ladiandmargaret

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s something different in a van. Furniture should be attached properly to the floor, it should not be just floating on insulation.

@tonyjover

2 жыл бұрын

@@ladiandmargaret Yeah, but as Spiro pointed out, you can put battens where your furniture needs to be fixed down, but you don't need to make a framework with battens where nothing will fix to them.

learning from others fails is always a good way to proceed successful :D

I’ve been mentally planning vanlife for years (mostly in a “oh cool idea but I’d never do it BUT if I diiid how would I do it?”) way and I just can’t seem to stop thinking about it.. but it’s also SO overwhelming because how are you supposed to know where all the cables and cabinets will go before you even start? It seems like most folks only know that after like the 2nd or third build as then they’ve lived in it and know how they like it or don’t like it.

@jadziabishop1467

2 жыл бұрын

The people who seem to do it the best on their first build watched lots of KZread videos then planned their build before building. What many people also recommend is to rent a couple of vans for like a week each to see what you like.

@littlefootfeet

2 жыл бұрын

@@jadziabishop1467 yeah, I’ve re red vans that, though still seems pretty darn overwhelming eps if you have no technical knowledge or carpentry experience etc.

@manueldias1301

2 жыл бұрын

The key is to start slow. Rent one, sketch yours and take it for a spin. Just relax and enjoy the fun of building. Mine is in version 3 and I might start a 4th. It is for me and rebuild it according to my own needs (only in my dreams I have skills like Ladi 😁). That's what I like about Ladi and Margaret. They give useful, practical advice.

@dusanradojevic6255

2 жыл бұрын

Its not a simple thing to build a Van.. You need to know in advance, what you want and how you want.. There is too much money involved. I've watched many ideas online, but i had an idea what i want,because ita a van for 4..it took a lot of measurements, also good thing is to do a GLUED Tape thing on the floor, so you could see and imagine the space outcome, so you dont need to change layout in the middle of the job..

@jadziabishop1467

2 жыл бұрын

As another response one professional builder who build vans for clients personal use always makes a cardboard version first. He builds the working cabinets, beds and everything else so his clients can walk through and change things before the real thing goes in. This will take longer but is a good plan if you have the time. There are other people who actually do the electric cables last by butting them in small pipes so you see exposed pipe in the corners of the van. It can look good and some find this easier for their first van as they can sort out electricity last. It also means electrical problems are easier to find and fix. Sorry that this is long but hopefully it helps a bit.

Love comprehensive videos like this! I heard someone say that water will always gather at the metal- it either gets past the vapor barrier or it comes in from the outside (through door handles or trim??) because vehicles simply are not entirely sealed, and that this can soak your insulation and lead to mold, etc. and thus you shouldn’t stuff those spaces with insulation but.. but then how to insulate?? Also, after years of wearing wool I became allergic so.. um.. careful.

@897aa33

2 жыл бұрын

You can't insulate metal van 100%. You have to opt for box.

@gregoirepainchaud

2 жыл бұрын

Materials like Rockwool don't rot, so even if moisture forms near it, it will simply dry out and keep it's integrity. Whatever you do, don't use the pink wool (glass fibers), that thing will rot, gather humidity and cause huge problems to the body of the van. Ouch.

@897aa33

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregoirepainchaud don't ever use any type of wool in campervans asking for the troubles healthwise or else. Use recycled plastic insulation rolls. Good R value and all the rocwool benefit without side effects.

Great talk on insulating properly. My one concern is the statement that having more insulation when you are in a hotter environment just traps the heat in. While true, it does not address how to keep cool in warmer environments without massive us of A/C. Clearly some insulation is vital or an A/C system could never keep up. I have yet to see anyone talk about venting a van later in the day when temps cool a bit to pull the heat out. The energy is trapped in the thermal mass of the interior, and I haven't seen a single design that has systems to deal with this. I saw Greg Virgoe's thumbs up, which is good to see. His talk is based in the science of construction and building envelops. Your solar panel lift is a fantastic design. I used similar lifts to open a "door" in the floor of my house to get to the basement. My first set of lifts lasted five years. Congrats on having the biggest power supply I've seen on any build of a class B. You guys win!

I thoroughly enjoy the theory, breakdown videos. This allows me to be practical and critically thing through every aspect of the build. Especially for someone with no building experience.

I highly recommend XPS over ISO. ISO loses r value over time and as the temp drops. There are some good papers out there that tested this.

@ladiandmargaret

2 жыл бұрын

wow I didn't know that! Thanks Joe! I didn't realize time was even tested for

@martinfiala6929

2 жыл бұрын

I use XPS for floor and K-flex for rest plus Sunflex for vapor barrier and its work great

Girl, you did a great job explaining everything and you did not rumble. You explained everything thoroughly 😊

I want to insulate the slides of my motor home. I really like this video it has given me more to think about. Thank you.

Next week i will be installing close cell foam, your videos was of open cell which is used more in house builds and expands more, close cell will only expand about 25mm. Close cell has a mass R value of 6.5 plus it also offers vapour and sound deadening. I am doing walls doors and celling in a vario bus and predict it will take one day. I do run a spray foam company so have a full set up rig, am hoping on good thing from it

Love it, I learn so much. It’s my retiering plan to live in a van. Love, love love you’re build! A fantastic new year to you all❣️

Can we talk vapor barriers for a moment? Vapor barriers can be great, but you shouldn't install a vapor barrier (on a van, or a house) without a clear understanding of what you're trying to accomplish. As Margaret says, living inside of a van will tend to raise the humidity of the interior air, and you almost always want to enable that moisture to dissipate to the lower humidity outside. You may also occasionally be somewhere where the outside humidity is very high, either persistently (i.e. high humidity summer locales) or temporarily (i.e. a rainy week). A common strategy to have a vapor impermeable envelope, which will prevent exterior high humidity from migrating inside, and use fans for when you want to vent humidity outside. As Margaret mentioned: there can be a lot of holes in a factory van, and so while sheet metal is vapor impermeable, you might want to add a vapor barrier to "cover" the vapor holes in the van. But if you're going to add an interior vapor barrier, be sure to not create a sandwich of two vapor barriers (the sheet metal and the installed barrier) with a gap between. This can easily result in compartments that don't readily shed humidity to either the exterior or the interior of the van. And what do you get with persistent high humidity in a closed compartment? Mold and other nasty things are a common outcome. Because of all that, I think there are two reasonable options with a van: 1) Don't add an extra vapor barrier. Rely on just the metal skin, and make sure that all the insulating material you install inside is vapor permeable. A well insulated van with vapor permeable insulation will only let moisture move slowly, so you won't rapidly get the outside humidity in the van, but it'll let all the nooks and crannies of the van dry out. 2) Install a vapor barrier as the very first thing you do, and adhere it with (ideally) no gap between the sheet metal shell of the van and the added barrier, so as to not have pockets that have barrier on both sides, and cannot dry to either the outside or inside of the van. Personally, I much prefer option #1. Note that installing two different vapor barriers is a classic mistake that people make building houses, and can have long term health consequences when mold grows in the walls. Note that it's very difficult to install a perfect vapor barrier. And even if it's perfect when you first put it in, you inevitably have penetrations later in the build, and wear and tear on the road, and it's unlikely to stay a perfect vapor barrier for very long. Edit/Update: I realized I didn't talk about one concern some people will be trying to address: condensation. If humid air hits the outer metal skin of the van on a cold day, the air will be cooled beneath the dew point, and condensation will form. If the layers of your van from the outside in are metal skin, insulation, and then vapor barrier, then in theory the vapor barrier keeps the interior humid air out of the insulation cavity. Even if the van is allowed to cool, the condensation will form on an interior surface that's more likely to dry quickly. But if tackling this design, it's a good idea to recognize that a perfect vapor barrier is hard to create and maintain as you're building out your van. It's very likely that high humidity air in the van will seep through flaws in the vapor barrier, into the insulated cavity, and then condense on the inside of the metal skin. Condensation sandwiched between two vapor barriers can take a really long time to dry out, and cause serious problems. So how to address this concern? One way to try and insure that the insulation is vapor permeable, and deliberately provide a route to the outside of the van, so that drying can occur. This takes very careful thought with a van build, since you have to insure that there's a vapor path past the sheet metal skin of the van. Typically this would have to be down through the undercarriage. A second approach is to install insulation that won't let humid air contact the metal skin, even if it leaks through the interior vapor barrier. This approach requires comprehensively attaching the insulation to the metal skin so that there are no air pockets, and using a closed cell insulation. With all the nooks and crannies in a van, in my opinion spray foam is the only viable solution for this approach.

I LOVE that you use science and technology and explain what you are doing. Your critiques are the very best videos you put out there. It really bothers me that there are so many other content producers who are firmly stating "this is The Way" when they are twenty somethings, building their first van, and just repeating something (ill advised) they picked up on the internet. Love seeing clips to learn from. We are not doing the vapor barrier. Thinsulate for sides and cavities, pink board for the floor, and white board for the ceilings. Just getting it up there was SO much effort. Not going to kid myself that we could successfully do a vapor barrier. Still deciding if we are going to apply automotive carpet for a thermal bridge or just love the cold metal cause we can attach magnets!.

these videos deserve more views for the amount of work that goes behind.

We absolutely love your videos, Margaret! Keep it up :) We are building our own van in Brazil, so we definitely don't have some materials available like you have in Europe, US, or AUS, but we are making the best of it, thanks to your PRECIOUS tips and detailed information. It's our first van build and here in Brazil the van culture is not as much popular as it is in the Nothern hemisphere so we've been doing A LOT of research. We actually consider ourselves super innovative, as we are not just copying what everyone is doing, but studying and getting to our own results... pretty much like you guys :) Thank you so much for being such an inspiration for us, for being real and very straightforward (de-romaticizing a bunch of stuff we see about vanlife on social media...!).

Your absolutely right about insulating the doors as long as you don’t interfere with locking Mechanism. I like use rigid foam for large areas and spray foam for those differcut small areas. These small areas won’t cause problem in panel distortion. Having insulated curtain behind cab seats helps tremendously.

One more comment please:: confusing?? NO WAY!! Your videos are the BEST!! And now even with an Intermission!! Just fantastic!! Stay safe, God Bless!!

@ladiandmargaret

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you, Bob! Intermission is my favorite time :) both to film and to edit lol

I'm working on a box truck build and have found your videos to be so helpful. My partner and I have been debating about which insulation to use; stiff foam board or spray foam. This video really cinched it for me. Since, we have nothing but straight flat sides, foam board is now the plan. Thanks!

i think you do a very good job of explaining the theories or just explanations in general. especially for someone who knows NOTHING about this! so here's your confirmation lol i love this channel! THANK YOU SO MUCH....for helping me avoid future problems and/or regrets!

Good video covering the basics. So many build videos out there without proper planning. Always love to see some good technical information. Ramble away!!!

@ladiandmargaret

2 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated, thanks guys! We love chatting about it, but always worried it's a bit too niche or boring, so glad to hear it's not!

I’ve been watching can builds for years now so I was tracking with what you’re saying. It was helpful to hear your take and why you did it. Love your van build videos and how you’re having fun with it

I'm an architect. Here are some tips for insulating. When we insulate buildings, it's based on the climate zone. Obviously, van life is mobile, so that's a big challenge. I would use a middle ground climate zone for basis of design. Climate zone 5. In climate zone 5, walls would need an r-7.5 (coninuous), roof r-25, floor r-10. 1"of polyisocyanurate has an r value of 5. Thus, walls would get 1.5", roof would get 5", floor would get 2". This thermal envelope would give you the most optimum performance. Having said that, 5" at the roof may be unachievable due to the height restrictions in the van. I would at least do 2". Another thing that may help is installing a fluid weather barrier on the insulation boards between the boards and the interior face of the metal. When you insulate a van, you will create a dew point in this area. Water will condense there. This weather barrier will give the water a drainage plane to the vans weep system. This video does mention the drainage cavities. The weather barrier is different than a vapor barrier. I would not install a vapor barrier on the interior of the van. It will block natural permiation that is needed for the space to breathe.

A lot of what I like about your channel is the construction work you put into your ideas... and why you decide on those ideas in the first place. This would be particularly important when discussing insulation, as all builds need some form of insulation in the build. IMHO, and only an "O"... it would be good to discuss (1) benefits and issues with each type of insulation, (2) the installation process, and (3) mistakes made when installing. For instance, wool can be a good insulator, but only if not compressed, which I have unfortunately seen a lot of KZread van builders do. The thinking is, if a little does well for insulation, the more they can get into that space, the better the insulation. The problem of course is, by compressing the wool, you no longer can trap air, which is why wool is such a good insulator in the first place, so the "R" value gets lower and lower with the more you stuff into those little spaces. And then there is the problem with R-Value in the first place. This is tested in a lab, without the issues of compression found in a van. Then there are EER ratings for the A/C unit, the shape of the interior of the van with its corresponding air flow, the extremes of weather, and so on. All of these things affect insulating properties, and all seem to be left out of most videos and discussions on the subject. FYI, the van we are getting uses aircraft insulation (kzread.info/dash/bejne/qZWivM-LaJXUh8o.html&ab_channel=RoadsofLife), and in real world situations, this insulation has been shown to be extremely efficient. Is it the best? No such thing, but it is something to consider. Be seeing you.

Nice overview. Careful about falling into the habit that so many woman do, of questioning their own knowledge and expertise while they are presenting a topic. You do the detailed work researching and learning from your vast experience. So be confident and just communicate the limitations of the info you are sharing. Keep up the great work.

Hey! I used spray foam out of the cans and insulated myself. It expands in the easiest direction so it never pushed hard against my van panels at all. The problem I had was it doesn't stick to the metal panels of the van. I had to put up in my walls and spray foam behind it using a 5mm hole which filled the cavity. Never seen anyone do this. It has worked without issue. We will see how good it is once my build is finished 👍🏻

@minghiy

2 жыл бұрын

You mean those expandable spray foams they sell at home depot to fill cracks and nooks in your house?

Loving the mix of technical build videos and theory discussions 🥰❤️

I agree that windows are the biggest battle with insulation, we didn't want too many window but wanted some more daylight, we have a good balance. The heat and cold come through he window soooo quickly.

I, too, love the background, context, and education provided by your talk videos. Combined with technical how-to videos showing your choices, and the comments, they make for a great resource. Thank you so much for sharing all of it with us. 👍👍👍 And because it's my job (lol,) that was a particularly delightful intermission with Millie, and I want more! 😉 Happy New Year! ❄🎉❄

Awesome video! Love the theory type videos and critiques of other builds as much as I love watching Ladi being a mad scientist!

Along with foam board, we used mineral (rock) wool, which I don’t think you mentioned. It doesn’t absorb moisture, is less expensive, and is easily available at Home Depot or Lowes. Followed by a vapor barrier of reflectix. Sheep wool must be purchased online and it’s difficult to know exactly how much to order. It was nice to be able to just go buy more mineral wool when we needed it. Plus when we were building, Havlock wool (sheep) was on back order. (We chose our materials because of the Greg Virgo videos.). Anyway, our van stays comfortably warm now. We did leave an edge of exposed metal around our windows so to be able to attach the window covers with magnets. I used reflectix in the window covers, with batting, covered with ripstop. They work very well. And because we insulated the cab, we haven’t needed a curtain which is nice because we use our swivel seats. Sorry this is a long comment. I enjoy your videos.

@spiroszaharakis2648

2 жыл бұрын

Rockwool is notorious for absorbing moisture...

@BenjaminHansen

Ай бұрын

​​@@spiroszaharakis2648Poulin Building Materials says this about Rockwool when comparing three different materials for insulation... "It’s hydrophobic, so it won’t absorb water or encourage the growth of mold and mildew. Mineral wool is also very fire resistant and can act as a fire stop."

@spiroszaharakis2648

Ай бұрын

Rockwool's technical paper clearly states that it's not to be used in high humidity environments. You can't compare a house with several cubic meters of displacement with a tiny van that gets huge amounts of condensation every day when people live in it. Hydrophobic doesn't mean waterproof. It will withstand the moisture levels of a typical house and that's about it. As for the fire resistance properties, with all the other flamable materials inside a van, if your van catches fire, insulation fire properties will be your last concern. You will be dead well before the fire reaches the insulation.​ @BenjaminHansen

@BenjaminHansen

Ай бұрын

​@@spiroszaharakis2648 thanks for the info from the tech sheet.

I like theses videos, very informative and the fact that you share your understanding along with the implements in your own van build make it perfect. Keep going please :) Thanks

Love all the content. Keep them coming! Thanks and Happy new year!

Very good information! I learned a lot! Thank you! ❣️

@ladiandmargaret

2 жыл бұрын

So happy to hear it, Karen! Have a happy new year!

I love this! Thank you so much! Please keep the info coming!

I love the thought process! I don't think I will live in a van but have thought of it as a camper before to go visit family. But even if I don't it's nice to hear the thought process and the logic of why you used or did what so that what ever happens in my life I can use that to help me.

New to your channel from Tennessee. I like the way you described why before you actually doing it. You are a good communicator.

I love a lot of your van build ideas. I'm holding off making a comment regarding insulation until I see how you implement your own insulation in your next video.

Seeing a new video put up gives me joy. I look forward to your videos. I appreciate the information and even though I’m allergic to cats Millie is cute. Specifically for windows you can use a product like 3M crystalline to reduce the heat intake of your windows. That’s the only product I have experience with, I’m sure there are other products. First in a friends and my classic cars. I use 80% and because it’s pretty much clear I can also use it on the windshield. I cannot feel any heat transfer when in direct sunlight on my windows now. It makes a big difference. One of my best friends family used it to do their over 100 year old house with single pane windows. It halved their AC bill and changed how the house feels. I texted him to see if it made any difference in the winter with cold and have yet to get back an answer. One of the problems we have with classic cars is rust when the drain holes get blocked. It might be a good idea to make sure all the drain holes are clear. In cooking I found that propane contains a lot of moisture. I would think avoiding propane for products that use a dry heat would help reduce moisture in the van. What are your thoughts about using a humidifier in the van to reduce moisture?

I like the format you are using. Watching the build separately from the theory part is great. Happy new year to you guys.

I love the theory aspect. I like the rationale behind decisions to think about. I like lists of options and why one is better than another. We are refurbishing a 1988 Econoline conversion and love the ideas and the reality of the time it takes to do stuff. Thanks!

Did u both have a lovely Christmas? Great to see u guys ……Margaret u do great informative vlogs! Happy New Year 2022 let’s all make it better! 🥳🥂😀

@ladiandmargaret

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Pamela! Honestly it wasn’t exactly relaxing, but we’re making up for it this New Years! Wishing you the best 2022!

@pamelarw58

2 жыл бұрын

@@ladiandmargaret 😍🥳🍻🍻

Thanks for being so helpful and knowledgeable.

This was very helpful, format was perfect! Thank you

@ladiandmargaret

2 жыл бұрын

So happy to hear it. Have a great holiday!

I’m late to watch this time, but I love Margaret’s info videos. Even if I don’t understand them in the exact moment, they are always fun to come back to after watching Ladi work is magic. You guys have one of the most informative build series I’ve seen.

I really appreciated this video, please do more!

Good video! And you explain the process very well and your personality keeps it fun to learn! Great idea!

The way and the order you do it is perfect. Interesting and funny. Keep them coming and thank you for sharing! 😊

@ladiandmargaret

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Will do!

Thanks very much for this video. It's actually not rambling at all; lots of important learnings to take away, so kudos for a great job. So much useful and honest info, like the section on the spray foam, and much more. Thanks.

Love your videos. Very informative for future builders.

@ladiandmargaret

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them, Laura! Loving reading all these comments and seeing how others approached the same topic:)

The closed cell spray foam is great for something like building a diy truck bed camper. The spray foam when done correctly will add not only insulation but also add a lot of strength/rigidity. So you can use lighter thinner strips of wood for the frame & thinner walls. It also keeps the wood from rotting if it's completely enclosed.

I love your videos, some of the realest! Valuable education, thank you.

Thank you very much for taking the time and give an overview of some overlooked mistakes, and how to proceed. Seems like wiring diagram and plan for energy needs should start early.

This was an amazingly informative video - thank you - can't wait to see more - I have a year and a half before I full time van

Realmente, el señor que está reestructurando, la caravana, es alguien que se dedica habitualmente a ello, está haciendo de su profesión un hobby, porque tiene un local suficientemente grande, unas herramientas de todas las maneras y para cualquier trabajo, es una persona muy integrada en la arquitectura, en el dominio de dibujo en 3D, Dibujo, en general, mecánica electricidad y robótica, no cualquier persona, monta paneles solares orientables y plegables, ni puede poner los tanques, y la tubería plomeria, de agua y electricidad, de modo que no se deteriore fácilmente, de modo, que el interior de la caravana, queda totalmente aislada de frío y calor, con fibra de vidrio y paneles refractarios, este señor, tiene mucha experiencia en todas las cosas en las que toca De un modo u otro tiene una habilidad propia de una persona muy experimentada en todos los temas que tienen que ver en el montaje, comodidad y confortabilidad, sabe muy bien lo que hace es un gran profesional. Y sabe en todo momento como y de que Forma actuar, con la seguridad De un profesional. FELICIDADES.👍🏼

Thanks for this video - I love this. Learning the different options on various aspects of a vanbuild is very helpful for everyone planning their own build. Especially if grouped section by section (e.g. design, framing, wiring, insulation, flooring/roofing etc). Thank you again. Plus, you guys are great to watch! Do you insulate the roof of the cab at all (under the headliner)?

Just wanted to say, ya'll Rock!!! Love love love your videos!!! Your both so super talented. Ladi's skillets, and your filming, editing are awesome!!! I've watched a lot of van conversion videos, and, I enjoy yours the most. You put alot of thought into your build, and, I can't wait to see it completed, and I've learned a ton of Information!! Thank you!! And Happy New Year to you both!!!! And Millie too!!

We're just thinking about this right now. And your points are very important to us. It DOES make sense to do these different types of videos

This was so perfect, I’ve watched hundreds of builds and it took this video for me to fully understand it

I think you did an excellent job summarizing the state of the art.

Ghuits important to know the Why, as well as the How! Thank you

Happy New Year! Doing it right!!!

@ladiandmargaret

2 жыл бұрын

Happy new year Julie!

I used Havelock wool floor to walls to ceiling and wool lined window magnetic shades.

First....Happy New Year! Second....I found this video and info VERY helpful. I'll be starting my (short) bus conversion in the spring and am gathering as much info and advice as I can.....and one important focus is insulation (which I haven't actually seen featured as a main topic on bus/skoolie/ambo tours). I currently live in Ontario, Canada, and once my conversion is completed I'll be "chasing 70" as they say, so I'm not concerned about freezing cold or boiling hot temps, but I will have pets in my tiny-home-on-wheels (I have one dog and one cat now but will be getting another---larger/for protection--dog once I'm on the road) so for them I want the rig to be at a consistent (or close to consistent temp). I also will be doing this conversion on a limited budget....so my question....do you think it's wise to do, the foam board in the floors and walls and then wool for the back door and ceiling? Also, I watched a great short bus tour last night and he made a great point.....many people block off the front of their van/bus/shuttle/ambulance from the "main house part" by putting that barrier BEHIND the driver's seat, but that's a bad idea when it comes to safety as you want to be able to access your driver's seat as quickly as possible in case of attempted-break-in or other danger near your rig....so he recommended (and he's lived on the road for many years) to put that barrier (black out curtain for instance) in FRONT of the driver's seat. So sorry for the long comment. P.S. I really miss the videos you used to make, where you talked about the good and not-so-good aspects of various vanbuilds :-)

Thank you for the video. Very helpful. Something to point out. Insulation works both ways. So a well insulated space will be cool in the summer and warm in the winter.

Good informative video based on experience. Valuable. Thank you.

Yes!!! It's a good idea! The security video was one of my favorites!

Great video - thanks! It's always good to hear about your and Ladi's thought processes and planning. We have a van that was bought as a very nearly complete conversion - everything had been done but not necessarily tidied or finished. The biggest problem we have though is with the insulation and vapour barrier. Neither are complete enough to be effective so a lot of condensation forms in the various places where metal in contact with the outside air is exposed to the inside of the van. 😔 I'm just at the point now of pulling all the panelling etc to re-do the insulation and complete the barrier - not looking forward to it! Will watch how you do yours with great interest! 😃

I absolutely LOVE these explanation, design decision, Margaret rambling videos! It's what makes your channel special (aside from of course super adorable Millie who I can't get enough of and never mad mad-scientist Ladi). I love that you don't just show us what & how you are doing your build, but you explain WHY in such great detail. Happy New Year to you all!

Regarding installing foam board on a curved wall, a truck is that you can measure the shape of the wall with a contour tool (sections of straight edges held together by hinges) and score the backside of the piece you intend to install at the same locations as the hinges on the contour tool. The foam board will then fit curved walls very well

I found this info very informative. Thanks

I have a 2019 sprinter high roof. I am tall enough that in my build I want to preserve standing headroom, which limits the floor and the roof insulation. I have lived with it for 18 months to decide what to do. My plan is to use 3 layers of 1/2” (13mm) between the existing van framing. The thinner size does bend enough to make this work. The panels will attach to the van ceiling with the stick on “nails” that Greg virgoe recommended.

Awesome video, SUPER INFORMATIVE!!! 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

This was great. Thank you!

As a certified home inspector and sub contractor that has built, remodeled, and repaired moisture damage on many homes, I can assure you that you SHOULD NOT USE A VAPER BARRIER! Also, only use breathable insulation! The sheet metal on the van is a vapor barrier. If you put one vapor barrier on top of another, then you are creating a place for moisture to be trapped and start molding/rotting materials. Only one side of an envelope should have a vapor barrier and that depends on the climate. Basically, you want the vapor barrier on the HEATED side of the envelope. So in Florida, you put the barrier on the outer sheathing. In Maine, you put it on the inside. Unfortunately with vans, we're stuck with it being on the outside. So when you run heat on the inside during winter, it's best practice to just make sure that your insulation can BREATHE and dry out. This mean, no extra vapor barrier, and no closed cell insulation! Closed cell still allows moisture over time, and I've seen and repaired a lot of rotted sheathing where closed cell spray foam was installed.

@bethperez4783

14 күн бұрын

So your suggestion would be to put lamb's wool insulation behind some sort of wood paneling?

Good advice Margaret - just one error - hot air rises ,not heat , heat loss occurs in all directions.

@ladiandmargaret

2 жыл бұрын

Such an important correction thank you!

@arnoldsnodgrass2953

2 жыл бұрын

To further clarify this: yes, heat can travel in all directions but only through the mechanisms of convection, conduction and radiation. Convection is (in a van) hot air rising, as described which is largely what the ceiling insulation tries to prevent going any further. Conduction occurs when things touch each other and the heat transfers from the hotter to the colder (eg hence the thermal bridge of the metal described in the video, with heat from inside the van transferring to outside via any exposed metal). That leaves radiation (light; ultra violet through to infra red) which is what Reflectix tries to “bounce back”. You need an air gap on the reflective side because without one, heat would simply conduct between the touching materials into the Reflectix material itself and then into the side of the van.

I love learning from you Margaret! "Back story" videos should be a thing!

Try doing the floors with an iron cage, and that iron door in the way ! but great 4 security( some cargo vans are equipped with cages)

that foam board oculd be used on bends if you figure out what triangle you need to cut from the flat side to hold the curve. you did bend it, it just didnt stay there. 13:20

Well done and very informative. I’m in the process of insulating my van and have used my past experiences with insulation in doing so. You’re right: there’s a lot of mystery and mis Information on this subject. BTW, My floor and ceiling are complete: R10 in the ceiling, R5 on the floor, both using expanded polystyrene. Slowly working on the walls and doors...