I had a showing at a coffee shop once. I sold one photo ... to my mother.

@patricksmith2553

4 жыл бұрын

Haha that was very funny, I almost spit my coke-a-cola out lol. BTW Patrick you get paid $2 per 1000 views on monetized video's, so the math can be pretty easy and you guys made more than you think off of that one image, based on 7 million views, plus millions of views on the other behind the scenes videos!

@dro7684

4 жыл бұрын

She wrote you in her will!

@DraganBakema

4 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahaha

@sinetwo

4 жыл бұрын

a sale is a sale!

I made 20 dollars once. The photo wasn’t even any good, but an old lady liked it. So I got paid.

@brightonmaniselvan.a9160

4 жыл бұрын

How tos sell like this

@patricksmith2553

4 жыл бұрын

I made $400 once shooting a kindergartner's graduation lol, the grandma paid me $200 to show up for 30min and do the shoot, than the mother paid me $200 for the images on a USB drive. I was shooting youth action sports images of T-ball when the grandmother approached me about taking images of the graduation and I gave her my contact info. The only other funny way I have made money is taking images of rich people's dogs lol. You would be surprised how much money you can make off of rich people and their love of their animals haha.

@idevelopme3637

4 жыл бұрын

@@patricksmith2553 YEA RICH PEOPLE LIKE TO SPEND ALOT...and infact won't gooo a cheap good photphraper

@chosenideahandle

4 жыл бұрын

And there you have it, someone else has gone pro.

@alleycatoffshoreadventures6988

4 жыл бұрын

Patrick Smith m

This should be titled, "Two guys blinded by car headlights reading iPads".

@nightcoder5k

4 жыл бұрын

Hey, please be nice. Heehee.

@BryanKeithPhoto

4 жыл бұрын

I'm in tears lol

@danielboulton922

4 жыл бұрын

Paul C this is Harsh but really made me laugh 😂

@seimkuruc

4 жыл бұрын

all that photo critiquing and not even a simple light bounce on their own video... smdh

The guy on the right sound like he is so perfect. Reason I stopped watching their critique videos, he never gives credit even on decent images.

@danieljohnston5306

4 жыл бұрын

em.mauf yep, first of their videos I’ve watched n months, now I remember why....sooooo annoying!!

This was actually a lot cooler than I thought. Super interesting hearing the backstories on photos

Wow! As a retired professional photographer, I listen to you both critique everyone and can only come to the conclusion that you both know so much about photography, lighting, exposure, and so forth, that you guys have made millions in the profession.

@antaldamian

4 жыл бұрын

Chip Oddo 😂😂 billionaires

Make a video going back to the original question at the beginning of the video. How in the blue hell do these people market these photos?

@GNOBNX

4 жыл бұрын

I believe it's directed to those in the business of full-time stock photography sales.

@AJBants

4 жыл бұрын

I wanna know the same thing! I know one way of making decent residual income is to have a bunch of good photos on stock website like Adobe Stock. I've made like £25 so far and I've only got like 5 average photos on there.

I spent 100s of hours submitting images to Getty - sending them releases for real estate shots of beautiful backyards - I probably have over 100 images on Getty and I have made , oh....... about $5.36 . I think that guy is stretching the truth a tad.......?? Don't waste your time with uploading to Getty - they used to be a good organization but they have turned into one that only exploits the hard work and talent of photographers and are largely responsible for how hard it is for us pro shooters to make a decent living today - that, and of course simply the rise of digital.. Back in the day when I worked for Getty shooting film, you had to get it right, no chimping back then thus, they used to pay us stringers a 700 USD day rate.....I tell that to people today, and they think I am shooting the shit....I'n not...... As their primary stringer here in Toronto, I would get at least a day every week, sometimes more - ....thus well over 4k a month Canadian for covering four events, many times more than that - Now that is a good living and fair compensation for someone who knows how to properly use his or her gear.......I am not saying I am a super shooter by any means - but technically, I could get the job done and they knew my shots would be in focus, properly exposed and composed......Digital has change the whole dynamic much more than many want to admit......

Glad this popped up in my feed. Probably my favourite FS vid yet. Not only inspiring but motivating!

I think this is an excellent example of “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. “ Thanks for a great presentation.

@drewcunningham2

4 жыл бұрын

so true man - you're exactly right................

I took a photo of my great grandmother with my first DSLR, it's been 8 years since she left and that photo is still priceless.

I've never really sold much (maybe 100 total) but the interesting thing that I think photographers loose sight of is: the public doesn't care about technical proficiency. My best selling photo by far was of a white egret flying over black water nicely reflecting the bird. It's eye is completely out of focus. Nobody cares or notices. Even after I point it out to them it's just "yeah but it's such a pretty shot". Not to mention that a lot of people (at least in my limited experience) don't buy gigantic prints, usually maxing out at 11x16, so a lot the little things we fret over are invisible to them.

Holy smokes, Mike. That image really got some air under its wings!

I have a friend who is a professional photographer working for newspapers in the UK. He generally gets paid several thousand per assignment anyway, but by far the most money he makes, is in settlements regarding photos that were stolen and used without permission. Only recently he received a £50,000 settlement for an image that was stolen by a travel agency and used on brochures nationally.

Thanks for this video. Inspiring to hear these story’s of peoples successes in the photography business.

"most people make 40k, so he made 10years income" your math is bad.. and adding money he made from other work after this is a ridiculous way to calculate the earnings of this picture.

@GarryReyom

4 жыл бұрын

Joel Silverman yeah that’s more like 2 years

@chosenideahandle

4 жыл бұрын

The bad math is just scratching the surface.

@tykeboy16

4 жыл бұрын

He said 30-40k and that the image may have made him as much as 300k so at the extreme end he was correct. Your listening is bad.

@joelsilverman6899

4 жыл бұрын

@@tykeboy16lol no,, he was adding additional work he got after that picture to that total sum.. which is stupid,, like your listening skills..

@tykeboy16

4 жыл бұрын

@@joelsilverman6899 you specifically said 40k and that the total amount wasnt 10 times that. Either you didnt listen to his actual range or you're purposefully leaving it out to justify your point. You're getting upset over something so tiny. It's not that ridiculous to talk about the business and future earnings a picture has brought a photographer.

It'd be great to have a video about how to license an image, please!!!!

@RealHankShill

4 жыл бұрын

They do, its called Making Real Money

@fabiendelmas6593

4 жыл бұрын

they have the tuto called making real money , and it's really cheap when you see all the info they give , but too expensive for hobbyist photographer

@monteisom

4 жыл бұрын

Jafet, I did a tutorial all about the business of photography. It extensively covers licensing, who to market to in order to get paying work, what is important to those hiring photographers, how to copyright images, protect images from infringement, billing, taxes, tons of other topics and interviews with many industry insiders from editorial, advertising, entertainment, direct to brand and small market design firm that hire photographers. I ask them really in depth questions about mistakes photographers make when bidding, how to handle a conference call when actually up for a gig and a bunch of really nitty gritty questions about how each of their industries work.

Really enjoyed this video. Thank you!

@5:40 Don't know it this has already been mentioned, but to a guitarist this photo means a little more. The colors of the body of his instrument is called 'sunburst', and well known in the guitar world. And apart from the obvious fact that colors reflect, that can be the only reason this guitar was chosen in this totally cliche of a setting :) Just a little fun fact.

Lee, that image of the chair on the beach is back at home in Charleston in that box of your stuff that I gave you recently. There’s a magazine in there that has the ad!

One of your best and most valuable videos ever! :)

" I don't even really like this shot" lmao, my thoughts exactly

Thanks for the inspiration to take my photos to the next level.

It's great that we don't have to rely on only "pros" appreciating images but have the totality of humanity to appreciate these works.

I always enjoy watching your commentaries

I have a restaurant in Spartanburg (not far from y’all home) and I sell canvases that hang in our hallway. One is of Pretty Place (a wedding venue) and I’ve sold over 50 of this particular one in 4 years! I need to market mine more.

BTW one of you best videos!!!

Going generic is the best way to make money. I've been sorta in a slump the last little bit and this video is motivating me to get out and shoot once I get home again.

I love the Zoo idea 😂 And while you're waiting, you can do Winogrand-style street photography 😎📸

This video is amazing and inspiring. You can do it. It can be done. If you dont even try you wont have a chance. If you do another one of these videos can you please have the submitters include where or how they were selling or making the money. Keep up the great work!

awesome as always

Apple likely spends $4600 a day for snacks on the executive floor of the big doughnut.

@kkfox7822

4 жыл бұрын

Marty D I’m almost a little surprised to hear Apple doesn’t own our iPhone photographs.

@rayreeves4681

4 жыл бұрын

"the big donut" im fucking dead

New fan of your channel!! Great everything!!! I know this is a photo channel but I love the SHADE you two throw!!! It's in a playful way

7:27 Don't mention the perfect timing of a fish jumping out of water. Just pay attention to the sunset!! I can rest easy knowing that I dont sub to this channel..

@FStoppers

4 жыл бұрын

The fish jumping is obvious....does that one little detail make it an unbelievable image? Technical difficulty does not always mean higher value in the market place. -P

@leonardsmith82

4 жыл бұрын

@@FStoppers -never in a million years

@tykeboy16

4 жыл бұрын

@@leonardsmith82 It's not even that difficult to capture a fish jumping though. It just looks like a generic sunset photo. Go look at top level landscape photographers and tell me that photo is anywhere close to their level.

@zakofrx

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder if he is known as being in a wheelchair and if that helps sales.. I have had photos recommended online were the push was based on the photographers situation. I remember a blind photographer and a homeless photographer being pushed to me online based on a photo being spread were the story was the photographer.

@tybo6376

4 жыл бұрын

@@FStoppers you guys are some jealous little car headlight tools

More of these vids please!

This was very inspiring! I’ve made over $1100 from a single photo I made in a minute from the hotel room of a friend here in Mexico City. All of it through Getty Images. And remember they take an 80% cut, so it’s pretty high!

Usually photographers are not the biggest consumers of photographs. I like your matching shirts.

Guys, love this topic. Any chance of making this a regular/monthly subject? Interesting. Good stuff.

Love your guy's information segments. Why do people give you such a hard time in the comments? Keep helping us understand the industry. Thank You!

You should say, "You're WELCOME if we pronounce any of these names RIGHT."

I had a picture of mine shown at the most important museum of Amsterdam, didn't make me any money though, but an audience of at least 150.000 people.

Great Episode Guys - just goes to show you that working on personal projects often can really pay off - a double win, not only do you hone your skills but you also put a few shekels in your pocket - cheers from Canada - !!!

@FStoppers

4 жыл бұрын

Very true. I've yet to invest in a personal project that hasn't at least made enough money back to pay for the production. Almost always the project winds up making money. -P

Enjoyed this video.

"Anyone could have gotten this shot..." but could they though?

The Vegas shot is a composite. The Mtns in the BG is Red Rock. Sorry not a fan of it, Though I do Like the lighting of the strip.

@axeh

4 жыл бұрын

It's basically a daylight shot with the luminance dragged down and the sky removed. The hard shadows on the buildings are impossible for night photography. I do like the idea of the shot, it's just the execution that's baddddd...

I find these guys somewhat exhausting to listen to

@funkycoldm3dina

4 жыл бұрын

hi I agree with you, you are right I almost find them tiring to listen to as well. I think that its there tone or something. but I agree with you.

@philippemetois6491

4 жыл бұрын

i do agree

Which are the platforms that these images could be sold repeatedly and so well?

Great video! Patrick you mentioned about photographers taking images with brands being prominent so they will possibly license the image in the future, what are the parameters of copyright law on their brand? How do you publish an image like that without being possibly served with legalities of copyright? Something I've always been interested in but never knew the correct information.

@FStoppers

4 жыл бұрын

Tyler I believe the photographer I referenced took the photos then shopped the final images to the brand. Usually you can publish photos on your website or blog without worrying about infringing on a name brand and worst case they will ask you to remove them. If you are using those images in a much more commercial setting, like in a television show or selling the images as fine art, you prob need to get a release or remove the logos. -P

@tyler5120

4 жыл бұрын

@@FStoppers Awesome thank you very much for the reply Patrick! Much appreciated. -Tyler

@09:05 "this doesn't look like it's professionally lit..." ? ... Yeah because the sun looks like that on a car... 😀

Dimebag Darrel's photo is directly connected to emotion.

An interesting topic for a video that Patrick mentioned, how to get your pictures to the right persons.

what are the best Stock Photo apps in India ? i have been searching or many days and did not find anything special... Any thoughts .... Can't get enrolled in American websites as a contributor, because need to enter all the Tax details, which i do not have. Need help here

Two "experts" ripping on others work; that made money. Yet are boggled by what the general consumer will purchase. Not everyone understands or cares to appreciate image clarity; or if the lighting was studio or natural; or what geek hardware used on the shoot. A blurry, poorly lit or just stale image can invoke feeling and emotions similarly as a contrived image; and that is when wallets open.

@tykeboy16

4 жыл бұрын

Which is pretty much exactly what they said. These were all submitted to be critiqued, why act upset when they receive criticism?

@archiebell3633

4 жыл бұрын

I've got lots of blurry, poorly lit and stale images that make me sad. Buyers -- Open your wallets!

What do you mean, "You Android people"?

@aight365

4 жыл бұрын

It's like exactly the opposite 😂

@naol1370

4 жыл бұрын

Ifkr this egg head

@TheUberKevlar

4 жыл бұрын

Apple losers.

@jackkraken3888

4 жыл бұрын

LOL I guess for him it's either iPhone or bust. Lol we need to show him a thing or too.

At 18:00 why are there no tracks in the snow? Is it a composite?

Love your channel and thanks for sharing this. I'm heading out tomorrow to shoot shit that I used to think was unimportant. Hope I make a couple thousand Euros or shit, Canadian at some point.

Great Video!

"1-2 days work" that's funny Lee. What does Mike say?

With the Getty thing, I am curious if the image has made $x,xxx or the artist made that after royalties are cut up and you get your 20% of that.

250k? Gursky: hold my Linhof!

This is one of the most interesting videos I watched on this channel. Getting paid for an image or by licensing it several times and receiving a good pay absolutely gets your creativity moving? Thanks.

@FStoppers

4 жыл бұрын

I can't say it's ever worked that way for me personally. Usually I try to remain as creative as possible and then I'm rewarded financially for producing work. Rarely do I produce interesting work when I'm just paid for it....that's why most photographers never publish their client work but instead publish their personal projects. -P

Bald Tom Brady better be ready for Sunday's game

Cold You guys do a video about how to advertise yourself or market yourself so that people really are seeing your work.

what is the best site to sell your photos?

Fucking Lightning is awesome in the studio lol! every furniture is looking awesome haha, is it green screen?

“Whatever you Android people use” 😂😂😂

Story Time! Please make more Story Time!! MON-TE MON-TE!!

@FStoppers

4 жыл бұрын

Michael S we have two more episodes we never released! -P

@monteisom

4 жыл бұрын

There are a couple more in the pipeline....and talked with Patrick and Lee about getting another bottle whisky and rolling the cameras again. Glad you enjoyed the first rounds

Redbubble is more of a printer than a stock photo place. They're a bit like the Teespring of the dorm room poster world.

Really interesting video topic guys ! It gave me ideas to make money with my pictures now

Do you know about "Rhein II" by Andreas Gursky. The photo's limited prints made millions 😱

The car at 6:20 looks totally like a 3D model ... i'm not saying it is one but it simply looks soooo perfect

@ricardodafonseca9043

4 жыл бұрын

The reason they look like this is because each bit is lit perfectly to show off the details. So you might do the front light, then the bumper, then the door, etc. At the end you comp the bits together and do the retouch and colour grade. That's how the ones I've worked on have been done (as art director, not photographer).

4 жыл бұрын

@@ricardodafonseca9043 whoa that sounds like a lot aof work. where can i find your work or tutorials ?

@ricardodafonseca9043

4 жыл бұрын

I don't do tutorials. Sorry man. I'm a graphic designer by trade. So get exposed to this stuff.

@CamwiththeCamera

4 жыл бұрын

The Bommel look up light painting and compositing

very cool first photo from mike Kelly !

Wow what a lighting...

You keep saying 1-2 days work. That’s crazy. You know it took many trips to the airport, processing the plane shots, lots of time compositing it to get the planes in just right.

That Vegas shot almost looks like a composite, I would like to see the actual print - it is hard to decipher on my little laptop monitor

@Gorgula

4 жыл бұрын

It's not a composite but definitely a huge telephoto lense to bring the background closer. East to West view in the direction of Mt. Charleston.

Hi guys, referring 2:39, can you please make a video how to sell and license images and success reach out to customers?

20:19 LOoooooooLLLL This is worst. ..... ha ha ha ha ha. the photographer must be going nuts. He would be searching his chainsaw and coming to your place lee LOL

Where do you put an image to sell like that ?

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed...

I'm sorry guys, i don't understand: who bought this type of photo, and why? On which magazine or website have they been published? Can you explain the process behind it? Thanks so much!

@FStoppers

4 жыл бұрын

Tons of magazines, publications, advertising agencies, small businesses need images for marketing and content. They find it through all sorts of channels. There is no one rule on how people can find your images. -P

might wanna change the title guys

When you say anybody could do this (e.g. the iPhone shot of Dubai), but only the photographer did. I always here people say they could have done eBay, Amazon, or a million other things that made money ... but they didn’t

@ivankiefer3886

4 жыл бұрын

Right on the money. They did it. Now is easy to replicate but only one is original.

@f0t0b0y

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! That’s my photo.

@seanbowen4429

4 жыл бұрын

I think the point of that comment in this particular instance is that there probably had been quite a few very similar images, and that’s just the one that Apple stumbled upon.

@f0t0b0y

4 жыл бұрын

Sean Bowen That’s possible. I think it’s far more simpler than that. This was the first shot on iPhone campaign and there were 62 photos in total from around the world. I think the design team that was hired by Apple was looking for iconic landmarks and overall good marketable photos. When it was mentioned they would be on billboards and hundreds of magazines I asked for more money on the usage and they said no they could just use another photo. I caved to their demands because as a wedding photographer and not a landscape photographer,I think it’s pretty bad ass to be commissioned by Apple. Fast forward 5 to 6 years doing more commercial work. Many clients ask about my client list where it says I’ve shot for Apple and I definitely think it’s opened up opportunities with local clients.

@jamesdrew2846

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. The dismissive tone is a bit annoying. I could see a lot of this stuff being used in brochures, etc. The very fact that it’s not too stylistic means it has a broader appeal and can easily be mixed with other photographers work.

I have noticed that my photos that I consider overprocessed are the most popular. People like bright colors. I did donate an eclipse photo to a silent auction - it sold for $250, the most one of my images ever went for - and I didn't even get the money.

As someone working into creative agencies almost all my life ( as creative ) the quality of photos are very subjective. Sometimes we pay for images that will be something in the background for a layout, for example. There is so much images in shutterstock that is downloaded million of times and its like " lines"... because people dont want to do it, or want to test it.

I once tried to sell my photo. People thought I was crazy.

when you shoot a photo session for a client, how can you sell one of those pictures to... somebody else?

@coolhandloc1

4 жыл бұрын

Sorin Gociu For most commercial jobs, the client hires you to make the photo(s) and licenses it for their use and. The photographer still owns the copyright. So after any embargo period the photographer is free to license the photo to whoever they want. In the commercial world the price of a company buying all the rights to a photo is often more than they are willing to spend so they opt for exclusive licensing for a set amount of time because most companies won't use images for more than a few years.

I wonder if anyone has noticed the Mike Kelly picture is a giant airplane tail fin

So is it a competition for editing or actually taking a photo?

ok I have loads to upload ! I needed some motivation, thank you ! I never posted on getty or other websites. Let's try that !

How do people sell images online?

I made a video that made over 1 million dollars..... all for some music company

To answer your Apple questions. They do a mix of both. You get the real money if you get hired pre iPhone release and your job is to shoot stuff for the release and very very NDA. OR you get hit up for their #ShotoniPhone campaigns, where it doesn't really matter what year or model and is more about just showcasing great iPhone photography.

😂I'm sure they exaggerate the money they are making.. but the sunset shots are amazing 👏

So, how and where do I sell my photos? I know I have some that will sell very well for sure!

How much did it cost to license the image for the video?

that Mazda shot isn't a snapshot, don't be jealous. It is a great esthetic achievement of the branding characteristic of the Mazda brand.

people watching this video: "omg crap photos can make dozen thousands of dollars, imma post all my photos on getty/stock" same people after a month on stock: "oh I made 0.33cents on this photo today, ok.." yeah you can have the most professional photos, best quality and whatever but unless you meet with the requirement of a specific client then this photo is worth 0 at the end of the day. fun video though but just people shouldn't get their hopes up, even with thousands of "good" photos on stock websites you probably won't make enough a month to pay the rent. my most successful photo has been downloaded hundreds of times, it doubled what I earned from this actual shoot, but it still barely pay some extra coffees at the end of the month so yeah..

it's not only the photo has to be good itself but also the opportunity your photo can be exposed to the guy who is looking for this kind of photo and happens to be his/her favourite...

You can knock out a bunch of white copy on that lighthouse shot... hence the high sales probably. - Ad guy.

@ricardodafonseca9043

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Same with the snowy things. Bonus if it can crop portrait easily. Shooting for stock is different to shooting for art.

Showcasing Dimebag is profitable for you too. Now I'm going to subscribe, hit the bell and start liking every upload of Fstoppers.

@FStoppers

4 жыл бұрын

Mr. Abbott thanks you as well! -P