How the NBA Media Stole Nikola Jokic's MVP | An Analysis on the MVP Award

Madness has consumed the MVP race for the past 3 years.
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Chapters:
00:00 - MVP Chaos
02:44 - The Calm Before The Storm, 2021 Race
06:52 - Voter Fatigue to Giannis
09:12 - Setting The Stage
10:28 - Narratives Affecting MVP’s
12:33 - How Joel Embiid Lost The 2022 MVP
19:31 - Voter Fatigue and Narratives to James Harden
21:50 - How Nikola Jokic Lost The 2023 MVP
27:57 - MVP Misconceptions

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  • @adamnouboud3577
    @adamnouboud357710 ай бұрын

    Embiid’s MVP has already aged poorly

  • @justinholland6132

    @justinholland6132

    10 ай бұрын

    So has the every mvp since 2015 curry was the last guy to win mvp and finals

  • @string7135

    @string7135

    10 ай бұрын

    @@justinholland6132??? Mvp doesn’t mean champion

  • @justinholland6132

    @justinholland6132

    10 ай бұрын

    @@string7135e’s saying that because embiid did not pass the expectations of him/didn’t play well enough in the playoffs. But so has the last 8 MVPs since curry. What happens in the playoffs should be irrelevant. Great white hope/jokic fanboys are so hypocritical

  • @roboninja3194

    @roboninja3194

    10 ай бұрын

    @@justinholland6132 Did ya not watch the video? Idiots saying Jokic shouldn't win the MVP in 2023 because he's not had success in the postseason. You said the postseason should be irrelevant to the MVP voting but these media idiots were holding post season failure against Jokic while voting for Embiid who hasn't made it past the 2nd round. And somehow Jokic fans are hypocritical? 🤣Ok.

  • @Leroyscaand

    @Leroyscaand

    10 ай бұрын

    MVP is a regular season award you dope

  • @botanistedward
    @botanistedward10 ай бұрын

    It's such a strange argument to give it to someone else because Jokic hasn't been successful in the finals. When was the last time Embiid made it into the finals?

  • @blue-phoenix115

    @blue-phoenix115

    10 ай бұрын

    I thought MVP was a regular season award as well.

  • @gb342002

    @gb342002

    10 ай бұрын

    I mean you could argue that Giannis should have his 3rd by now too. Embiid is a joke

  • @JustCallMeRock

    @JustCallMeRock

    10 ай бұрын

    Denver probably had the easiest championship in recent memory, like did any of the teams they play have over 45 wins

  • @andrei_conlai1875

    @andrei_conlai1875

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@JustCallMeRockthe Lakers were an anomaly: they had a record below 45 but that was because they had a bad team composition until the end of the tradeline, after that they managed to build a good and solid team and If you take the record after the end of the tradeline you'll get one above 45

  • @user-pi5ew6jj2q

    @user-pi5ew6jj2q

    10 ай бұрын

    @@JustCallMeRock To be fair the west was so stacked that any team could’ve lost, so u can’t really say that it was easy. I mean 7th seed that nobody thought would make the play in made it to the cf, and did it kinda easily.

  • @qull3840
    @qull384010 ай бұрын

    Embiid went on social and whining about stats to get everyone's attention. Meanwhile, Jokic deleted his social media because it's "a waste of time". That's how vastly different their mentality is. One is a jealous kid with big talent, another is a mature dad with the right mindset for life.

  • @patriciamccormick9321

    @patriciamccormick9321

    8 ай бұрын

    Once the MVP became a distraction Jokic sat out games because of an “injury”. He doesn’t care about individual awards, he was focused on the Finals and ended up winning the WCF and Finals MVP.

  • @tapeab1e

    @tapeab1e

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@patriciamccormick9321 I don't think he really cares about anything the media thinks to be honest. It honestly seems like this is just an office job to fund his hobbies like raising horses. He does what they tell him to, usually doesn't throw a fuss, and does it well.

  • @angelosicat7350

    @angelosicat7350

    5 ай бұрын

    But the mature dad is also talented and could drop 50 pts 20 rebs and 12 assists in his sleep.

  • @chadbrisco4042

    @chadbrisco4042

    3 ай бұрын

    I wouldn't call Jokic mature by any means. He's very aggressive off the court.

  • @anonymous-hz2un

    @anonymous-hz2un

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@chadbrisco4042 compared to most NBA players he's straight up Yoda

  • @whatthebeardoin3160
    @whatthebeardoin316010 ай бұрын

    They really tried to make it about Jokic's race as if become the best center in the NBA out of Serbia(a country I guarantee most NBA fans and analysts couldn't find on a map) is somehow easier than what Embiid or any other player did. Being great is hard, breaking out as a foreign player is even harder.

  • @todo9633

    @todo9633

    9 ай бұрын

    Serbia is a huge basketball country too, always has been

  • @L_87

    @L_87

    9 ай бұрын

    Racist doing racist stuff

  • @vclll

    @vclll

    9 ай бұрын

    Just pathetic to make it about race. So horrible that they did this and tried to race bait the mvp race and n the NBA. Politics should not exist in sports. But it does far too much. Just disgusting

  • @BigBroKuma

    @BigBroKuma

    9 ай бұрын

    Not really it was just about the Sixers having a better record than the Nuggets as well as Embid having more points than Jokic as well as Jokic's deficiencies on defense that aren't really his fault since he can't increase his athleticism.As well as the Nuggets not deserving the #1 seed due to teams like the Lakers and Warriors faltering in the reg season. That was really the main narrative since the MVP is a regular season award and many believed the Sixers were gonna make a huge playoff push. Perkins was just out of pocket with that bullshit 😂 he's main goal was probably to just get reactions like what Skip Bayles does with his nonsense

  • @BigBroKuma

    @BigBroKuma

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@vclllIkr the worst part is that there were so many other ways to argue for an MVP for Embid without that bullshit that he calls a narrative and he chose race 🤦🏾‍♂️

  • @yodatscrazy981
    @yodatscrazy98110 ай бұрын

    In my personal opinion I knew this race was a joke when the media kept accusing Jokic of stat padding while Embiid was bragging about his ppg in interviews directly after losses 😂

  • @TrumanStalls18

    @TrumanStalls18

    10 ай бұрын

    Not to mention JE is a foul merchant.

  • @owensunuwar697

    @owensunuwar697

    10 ай бұрын

    Also they always brought in playoff records.. When embid hasn't even sniffed conference Finals..

  • @bregozy3330

    @bregozy3330

    10 ай бұрын

    Embiid literally never did that

  • @yodatscrazy981

    @yodatscrazy981

    10 ай бұрын

    @@bregozy3330 Postgame interviews after losses to Warriors and Suns

  • @yodatscrazy981

    @yodatscrazy981

    10 ай бұрын

    @@bregozy3330 March 2023

  • @98091238
    @9809123810 ай бұрын

    I don't have an issue with Embiid winning the MVP award but the toxicity of the media attacks on Jokić from the likes of Nick Wright, Kendrick Perkins, the majority of the FS1 line up etc. that he only wins because he is white, he is a stat padder, he is the worst MVP in history, has cheapened the award, is only rated by calculators etc. was disgraceful

  • @purpleirklegrovestreet

    @purpleirklegrovestreet

    10 ай бұрын

    They are trying to start a race war, even using sports now

  • @irsyasalim6679

    @irsyasalim6679

    10 ай бұрын

    Agreed, luckily Jokic didn't care about that stupid things

  • @stpbasss3773

    @stpbasss3773

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@irsyasalim6679Yeah jokic could give a crap about the media and haters.

  • @KUbballer049

    @KUbballer049

    10 ай бұрын

    It’s the toxicity combined with a sense of entitlement where they can never admit they had a poor take in the first place. They never actually apologize to jokic they only just make a new take that’s slightly more positive

  • @student99bg

    @student99bg

    10 ай бұрын

    Exactly! I am not mad that Jokić didn't win his 3rd straight MVP as arguably Giannis should have won his 3rd straight instead of Jokić as well. In either case, Jokić deserved 2 MVPs so far. What I don't like is slander from the media. I remember the fight with Morris as well where only Shaq and Barkley stood with Jokić while everyone else in the media was on Morris's side. Not to mention "the worst MVP in the last 35 years" comment, stat padding accusations and countless other dumb attacks by the media.

  • @calebos268
    @calebos26810 ай бұрын

    Let me get this straight: the argument against Jokic for the MVP is that he struggled in the playoffs in previous seasons, even though it's a regular season award, that is based on how they do this season. (We all know the real argument against him, but even the fake arguments don't make sense lol)

  • @RomnysGonzalez

    @RomnysGonzalez

    8 ай бұрын

    Let's go even further. Jokic numbers go up in playoffs, meanwhile the "MVP" have a consistent drop off of at least 8 points, grabbing less boards, giving less assists,shooting worse and having a hell lot of turnovers

  • @lukebbuff

    @lukebbuff

    7 ай бұрын

    Even though it’s a regular season award, people tend to look at great prior post season to see if a players stats are “empty numbers” or a real contribution to the team. The idea being that if you can’t win (or at least give a valiant effort) with it all on the line you aren’t as good as the numbers look. Not really fair but also not totally illogical.

  • @NoahBodze

    @NoahBodze

    7 ай бұрын

    Black people can't stand to be reminded that white boys can dominate a game white people invented - especially if that white boy comes from Europe. They aren't complex people. Petty and violent, mostly.

  • @Jamellii

    @Jamellii

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@RomnysGonzalezeven further that that, the fraudulent mvp struggled against a rebuilding nets team despite the 4-0 sweep

  • @crystalizedExposed

    @crystalizedExposed

    5 ай бұрын

    the mvp race is 50% stats, 50% narrative. lebron, mj, and many others have been robbed of 3 time mvps by narratives, jokic is just next in line

  • @bigtimeaxe0915
    @bigtimeaxe09159 ай бұрын

    As a Nuggets fan, I’m glad Embiid won MVP this year because the last couple years, everyone has been making out Jokic to be the villain and trashing him. Now that Embiid has won MVP it’s the other way around. Glad Jokic is able to back up his two MVPs. Would much rather have champions than MVPs

  • @droid_727gilbertandroid2

    @droid_727gilbertandroid2

    4 ай бұрын

    Celtics fan here, Joker got robbed for sure and got caught in NBA politics. Jordan, kobe, LeBrons people in the league did not want Joker to have 3 mvps.

  • @d3adyoutubeaccount

    @d3adyoutubeaccount

    Ай бұрын

    Jokic didn’t deserve his MVPs, those were Giannis award, Giannis probably deserved it over Embiid too

  • @dhendroid2373

    @dhendroid2373

    Ай бұрын

    Lol

  • @roosterslime9430
    @roosterslime943010 ай бұрын

    I think the best thing is Jokic’s humbleness and respect on full display. He defended Embiid after all the backlash in the playoffs and stated that he believed Embiid deserved the award more. This is even after Embiid’s and media attacks on Jokic.

  • @Shadrake

    @Shadrake

    10 ай бұрын

    I know right , the guy's character is immensely respectable, especially for the NBA.

  • @adriandaliva1341

    @adriandaliva1341

    10 ай бұрын

    It speaks volumes about his upbringing and character as not only a player, but as a person. It's objectively impossible to not like this dude.

  • @randygram9310

    @randygram9310

    10 ай бұрын

    @@adriandaliva1341 Well ... some people had ESPN apparently don't like him. But they're idiots and jerks....

  • @anamethattellsastory6648

    @anamethattellsastory6648

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@Shadrake😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊1😊

  • @samb123078

    @samb123078

    10 ай бұрын

    Jokic just doesn’t care. And that makes him the real winner. The one punch man of the NBA.

  • @heath6825
    @heath682510 ай бұрын

    Funny how post season success suddenly mattered when it came to giving Jokic MVP, so they give it to Embiid who has yet to make it past the 2nd round lol

  • @Alex-sj2gq

    @Alex-sj2gq

    10 ай бұрын

    I think they used that argument only because it would have been his third straight mvp.

  • @TheMarslMcFly

    @TheMarslMcFly

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Alex-sj2gq NBA Media is a joke. But that's nothing new

  • @tysnyder7474

    @tysnyder7474

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@Alex-sj2gq they were also saying that after jokics first, and second mvps when he got bounced

  • @georgeprchal3924

    @georgeprchal3924

    10 ай бұрын

    They also brought up defense which has never mattered before.

  • @taj3618

    @taj3618

    10 ай бұрын

    It matter when it came to giving him a 3rd straight mvp. Embiid didn’t have 1 yet. They did the same thing to Giannis

  • @milktea2422
    @milktea242210 ай бұрын

    As soon as Jokic got into the finals I no longer saw anyone mentioning the media talking about Jokic never being to the finals affecting a regular season award. Literally all I remembered was how some media members were saying: “jokic doesn’t have post season success” and once he got to the finals it was radio silence, if you bring it up, embiid cock riders didn’t say it happened. And I was like: wtf? It’s clear whose always been better now. Someone who did well without help, Vs someone who almost always had help.

  • @blaowskiton

    @blaowskiton

    9 ай бұрын

    Jamal Murray isn't considered help?

  • @milktea2422

    @milktea2422

    9 ай бұрын

    @@blaowskiton jamal Murray was injured for the last two seasons.

  • @blaowskiton

    @blaowskiton

    9 ай бұрын

    @@milktea2422 ok, and they won the chip this year when he was healthy. Murray is a star and a big reason why Denver won this year.

  • @mrboast2826

    @mrboast2826

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@blaowskitonDidn't Embidd got helped by star too like Harden and Jimmy Bucket yet they can't past second round

  • @blaowskiton

    @blaowskiton

    9 ай бұрын

    @@mrboast2826 the heat made it to the finals tho 🤔

  • @whoevencares5562
    @whoevencares556210 ай бұрын

    The reason why Jokic’s championship was brought up as a “see, he should’ve won the MVP award” is cause the two main arguments that gave Embiid the MVP award were “he deserves to be on the scoreboard with Giannis and Jokic”, and “How can we give Jokic the MVP when he chokes in the playoffs”. They tried to say Embiid was a playoffs riser while Jokic was was a playoffs dropper or some shit.

  • @brianbadonde9251

    @brianbadonde9251

    6 ай бұрын

    It's funny because Jokic never choked in the playoffs, the team around him just was never enough, he was always missing players or the guys he had just weren't playoff scorers. But he himself always had great stats in the playoffs including effiency

  • @bmsuperstar1

    @bmsuperstar1

    4 ай бұрын

    Not only did Jokić not choke, but he was noticeably better in the playoffs. He's a leader through and through. Couple of points more on average for Embiid means nothing. And as for defense, Jokić is absolutely a better overall defender than Joel Embiid. Embiid is a better time protector, but that's about it. Outside players humiliate him each and every game, especially come playoffs. Criticizing Jokić for lack of so called "athleticism" is just a critic of him being a white man, because defensively he's above Embiid for sure.

  • @d3adyoutubeaccount

    @d3adyoutubeaccount

    Ай бұрын

    @@bmsuperstar1the fact you said Jokic was a better defender than Embiid instantly made your argument bias

  • @d3adyoutubeaccount

    @d3adyoutubeaccount

    Ай бұрын

    It’s a regular season award, that was always a trash argument

  • @bmsuperstar1

    @bmsuperstar1

    Ай бұрын

    @@d3adyoutubeaccount No, it makes my argument - argumented. Embiid is not only a worse defender than Jokić, but he's way worse. Analitics don't lie. Jokić is a top 15 defender in the NBA.

  • @cyrillesu
    @cyrillesu10 ай бұрын

    It wasn't just that Embiid won over the more deserving Jokic, but it was how he and the media got him that MVP. Bro literally couldn't stop talking about how he was "robbed" and idiots like Kendrick Perkins and Nick Wright downplayed Jokic's season all year long. Hell, you have guys like Mark Jackson leaving Jokic completely off of his ballot. Yeah, they don't like the Joker.

  • @thomasmotooka2937

    @thomasmotooka2937

    10 ай бұрын

    The race card was played too often in this race. The journalist got influenced by the political narrative spewed out by the race activists.

  • @M.L.official

    @M.L.official

    10 ай бұрын

    Mark Jackson needs to have his vote revoked after what he did. That's honestly bullshit. There's no excuse of "oh he just made a mistake". Nope. You don't make mistakes at that level. If you haven't heard about jokic, that's on you. He's reigning MVP, and now a champion. I don't care if he votes for jokic henceforth every single year, he does not deserve to keep his voting privilege.

  • @thomasmotooka2937

    @thomasmotooka2937

    10 ай бұрын

    @@M.L.official Can’t believe they can get so many people to take the race bait.

  • @mongoslade277

    @mongoslade277

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@M.L.officialThat's why Mark Jackson NON COACHING ASS will Never get a another job as head coach in the NBA

  • @MrSuperman957

    @MrSuperman957

    10 ай бұрын

    Mark Jackson was a mistake.

  • @Eazy_P_40
    @Eazy_P_4010 ай бұрын

    Jokic, Embiid, and Giannis all had great seasons, and this was supposedly the “closest mvp race in years.” Embiid winning by a landslide vote showed exactly where the bias was from the media.

  • @PlanetOfTheApes999

    @PlanetOfTheApes999

    10 ай бұрын

    Yep, they had to give it to someone who wasn't white or from Europe.

  • @gnomechomsky2524

    @gnomechomsky2524

    10 ай бұрын

    yeah didn't he get like 77% of the first place votes? if it was as close as they made it out to be each player should've gotten like 32-35% lol

  • @MrYoujordan

    @MrYoujordan

    10 ай бұрын

    @@PlanetOfTheApes999 that makes no sense LMAO white people swear they persecuted...... its called voter fatigue & jokic hadnt won anything up until this season there have been quite a few examples of people not winning multiple MVPs even though they deserved it because they always fell short in the playoffs. Please leave being american or race out of the basketball talks (we all know steve nash won 2 mvps that he shouldnt have over black american born black players and he is a white guy from canada)

  • @slackerofhell

    @slackerofhell

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@gnomechomsky2524one guy didn't even have Jokic in his candidates. Dude had Sabonis.

  • @donali9020

    @donali9020

    10 ай бұрын

    @@gnomechomsky2524narrative based award statistically they wereall similar but Embiid closed out the season better than Giannis and especially Jokic and was the only one out of the 3 to not win the award all 3 had dominant seasons and deserved to win but just because Jokic won in the playoffs doesn’t mean Embiid didn’t deserve his MVP

  • @dreamcreationmedia4000
    @dreamcreationmedia400010 ай бұрын

    Jokic was a true unselfish team player and made his whole team better. Isn’t that the true definition of MVP.

  • @jacksonhowe8486

    @jacksonhowe8486

    9 ай бұрын

    it would be unfair if Jokic got 3 MVPs

  • @nikolayjerev9285

    @nikolayjerev9285

    9 ай бұрын

    @jacksonhowe8486 in your poor mentality yes

  • @dreamcreationmedia4000

    @dreamcreationmedia4000

    9 ай бұрын

    @@nikolayjerev9285 this is my opinion which I have a right to have and has nothing to do with my mentality.

  • @jacksonhowe8486

    @jacksonhowe8486

    9 ай бұрын

    @@nikolayjerev9285 do you really think it would be fair for the other players

  • @jacksonhowe8486

    @jacksonhowe8486

    9 ай бұрын

    @@nikolayjerev9285 I probably know more basketball than you

  • @Shhhh....DaMoviesOn
    @Shhhh....DaMoviesOn10 ай бұрын

    This video is dope because I thought I was the only person who felt this way, I'm a fan who thought Kobe was shafted multiple times but not Embid, he just isn't it right now. Jocic should've had his third MVP this year. Period.

  • @giffysstiffy8874giffytuck

    @giffysstiffy8874giffytuck

    9 ай бұрын

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  • @NoahBodze

    @NoahBodze

    7 ай бұрын

    He's the Ichiro-meets-Messi of the NBA right now. Jokic is not just great in context of the modern game, but also as an outsider-innovator. The structure of basketball has to be played differently when a big can play like a false nine in soccer, attacking space and drawing out defenses. He's making others adjust to him.

  • @siphillis
    @siphillis10 ай бұрын

    The reason people cite Jokić's incredible playoff run against Embiid's now signature choke-job is because the principle argument for Embiid is that he's actually the better player. This season proved, beyond all doubt, that he's not even close.

  • @ass640

    @ass640

    10 ай бұрын

    Jokic is one of the top 10 players of all time. Embiid is somewhere between 190-200.

  • @taj3618

    @taj3618

    10 ай бұрын

    @@ass640he’s not top 10. He could potentially get there but he’s not there yet

  • @fabledredd4481

    @fabledredd4481

    10 ай бұрын

    @@taj3618 he has several records and has achieve more now than most do in a full career. he is top 10 easily. Shaq one of the biggest bigman haters said "true definition of a great player." "This guy is super impressive as a big man, and I'm happy I got to see him live,"

  • @taj3618

    @taj3618

    10 ай бұрын

    @@fabledredd4481 who is your top 10?

  • @fabledredd4481

    @fabledredd4481

    10 ай бұрын

    @@taj3618 I cant order them but, MJ, Kobe, Lebron, joker, bird, kareem, magic, hakeem, 2000s shaq and im not sure who else, last spot has too many i wanna put.

  • @astray4525
    @astray452510 ай бұрын

    We're likely going to get a 4th and maybe a 5th part. Problem is that the debate over who's better is dead since Embiid has been labeled a playoff choker and Jokic had one of the most dominant postseason performances in history capped off with a ring and FMVP.

  • @Alex-sj2gq

    @Alex-sj2gq

    10 ай бұрын

    Yeah I think Joel completely lost the voters trust after these playoffs. I’d be surprised if he even finishes second ever again unless he wins a ring.

  • @cappy2282

    @cappy2282

    10 ай бұрын

    Ya Embiid got mowed down. I like Embiid but he's a #2 option if u wanna win a chip

  • @WarGhoulKharas

    @WarGhoulKharas

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@cappy2282Shit. He's 0-5 in the playoff series in the second round. He collapses like a neutron star. I'd take Curry before I take Embiid.

  • @ObiC

    @ObiC

    10 ай бұрын

    @@WarGhoulKharaswho tf wouldn’t take curry over anyone rn 💀😭

  • @Gurrrrlllzzzzz7

    @Gurrrrlllzzzzz7

    10 ай бұрын

    @@ObiC I would rather have giannis or Jokic or curry

  • @rayrayschnapps8217
    @rayrayschnapps821710 ай бұрын

    It only looked close because Embiid and Giannis had much higher usage rates. To me the same or similar impact using fewer possessions would be more valuable.

  • @supermario_49
    @supermario_4910 ай бұрын

    Embiid clearly did not deserve the MVP this season. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an MVP awarded more undeservingly and handed out of pity. I seriously don’t know how you could argue that he was the better player. Jokic should have won his 3rd straight MVP but the media did not allow it. Edit: Just finished the video. Well done! Very detailed!

  • @iceinmyveins7521

    @iceinmyveins7521

    9 ай бұрын

    If you think Embiid didn’t deserve the mvp at all you are lying to yourself or you just aren’t worth discussing basketball with

  • @Abbad1579

    @Abbad1579

    9 ай бұрын

    @@iceinmyveins7521He didn’t deserve it over jokic

  • @jacksonhowe8486

    @jacksonhowe8486

    9 ай бұрын

    @@Abbad1579 he had a better regular season which is what MVP is for

  • @Abbad1579

    @Abbad1579

    9 ай бұрын

    @@jacksonhowe8486 He did not have a better regular season than Jokic

  • @davide4725

    @davide4725

    7 ай бұрын

    @@iceinmyveins7521He had less wins, worse FG and TS%, less assists and rebounds; AND he ducked Jokic head to head the same weekend he went on a media tour begging for the award. There's only two universes where Embiid deserved MVP over Jokic. The universe where the scoring title is MVP and the universe where the player with most FTs is the MVP. People like you that are so adamant about defending it make it more clear, 2023's MVP wasn't about who was most valuable, it was about 'who's really good and hasn't had a turn yet'.

  • @downbadichigo9331
    @downbadichigo933110 ай бұрын

    It’s actually so sad to see that Jokic got CHEATED out of his 3rd mvp because a shitty narrative from Kendrick Perkins of all people got to the voters and they had to give it to Embiid to avoid backlash

  • @TCKarmaSK

    @TCKarmaSK

    10 ай бұрын

    Embiid kinda got screwed outta mvp in 2022 and 2022

  • @TCKarmaSK

    @TCKarmaSK

    10 ай бұрын

    2021

  • @downbadichigo9331

    @downbadichigo9331

    10 ай бұрын

    @@TCKarmaSK i believe that, I genuinely thought Embiid was the best player in the league in ‘21 and ‘22, and I didn’t really like Jokic winning mvp as a 6th seed but this year shouldn’t have even been close honestly

  • @TCKarmaSK

    @TCKarmaSK

    10 ай бұрын

    @@downbadichigo9331 I believe that in the regular season at least, Embiid had a case against Jokic for being the better player. Obviously a better scorer and more impactful defender, yet Jokic maybe offered so much more offensively that Jokic was better than Embiid. Just a opinion though.

  • @Nightcrawler90210

    @Nightcrawler90210

    10 ай бұрын

    The way y’all believe Perkins has influence in mvp voting is hilarious 💀

  • @NenadTrajkovic
    @NenadTrajkovic10 ай бұрын

    Believe me, Nikola is not competing with anyone for any award, he just works hard to win the game, unless it's about horses. Greetings from Sombor, Vojvodina, Serbia🇷🇸

  • @Toketree

    @Toketree

    9 ай бұрын

    That sucks to be you 😂

  • @jilaxwest9770

    @jilaxwest9770

    9 ай бұрын

    @@Toketree what a poes you are , i agree with you @NenadTrajkovic

  • @pittland44

    @pittland44

    9 ай бұрын

    Greetings from Arvada, Colorado, U.S.A. What's the weather in Serbia like right now?

  • @FrozenzFirez

    @FrozenzFirez

    9 ай бұрын

    Correction ... he is competing with himself only, cos no one else comes close. Embiid winning the award is the biggest joke of the decade, which includes a bubble title. And ppl wonder why NBA ratings are so poor.

  • @vladakg6045

    @vladakg6045

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@pittland44very nice a bit too hot

  • @nervosuu
    @nervosuu10 ай бұрын

    Prior to this season and Jokic winning a championship, they had very similar careers and it amazes me how much the media favors Embiid. Embiid had never made the conference finals where Jokic had, they both struggled through missing teammates for one reason or another during seasons where they were both relatively favored to win their conferences. But all of these factors were somehow used to favor Embiid this year- Jokic’s lack of playoff success (ignoring going further in the playoffs than Embiid), media siding with Simmons issues over Murray and Porter injuries. I’m not surprised , but I am amazed.

  • @broncosbeat8539
    @broncosbeat85399 ай бұрын

    The Nuggets werent "struggling" to end the year. They smoked memphis and essentially locked up the 1 seed and started coasting. A couple of the big games in there like vs Milwaukee they'd turn the burners back on. That kind of stuff is what made Nuggets fans red hot in the playoffs.

  • @cappy2282
    @cappy228210 ай бұрын

    If ESPN had any integrity they would have fired Perk and apologized for his stupidity

  • @jesstiss222

    @jesstiss222

    10 ай бұрын

    I thought that too until I realized who has been creating all the Jokic hate narratives and likely put Porkins up to it. He’s just a hired media goon. But they should all be ashamed of themselves.

  • @jesstiss222

    @jesstiss222

    10 ай бұрын

    The wild MVP stakes was fine until they made it gross by making it a race thing smh

  • @cappy2282

    @cappy2282

    10 ай бұрын

    @@jesstiss222 Ya I have no problem with building a narrative and being hyperbolic but we don't need lying and race hustling (we get enough of that from regular media outlets) First Perkins said Jokic was "stat padding" which was ridiculous, but the racial narrative was absolutely absurd

  • @AspireGMD

    @AspireGMD

    10 ай бұрын

    He's black, they need him for their image.

  • @randomuruk7230

    @randomuruk7230

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@AspireGMDYea but just get a smarter and less cognitively impaired replacement. Perk is bottom of the barrel.

  • @jimjimhuerta
    @jimjimhuerta10 ай бұрын

    Crazy how Jokic went to his first WCF while Joel is a constant first/second round exit , yet people slam jokic for his “success” Joel cried for MVP and people ran with it.

  • @x9gio

    @x9gio

    10 ай бұрын

    exactly what happened. n ppl act like embiid so beast at defense yet the media will still believe it when he got exposed by the celtics

  • @slackerofhell

    @slackerofhell

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@x9gioTatum turned him into a washing machine. Had that man spinning in circles.

  • @leonardoyi3183

    @leonardoyi3183

    10 ай бұрын

    in fact, this was the second WCF of jokic. First one was in 2020...

  • @SubtleVibess

    @SubtleVibess

    10 ай бұрын

    Second WCF, first Finals

  • @huxleybennett4732

    @huxleybennett4732

    10 ай бұрын

    @@leonardoyi3183 I think that's what he's saying, Jokic had already gone to a CF whereas Embiid hadn't, and yet people were like "Jokic can't win again when he's not gone to a finals...let's give it to Embiid"

  • @bigjoocy1185
    @bigjoocy118510 ай бұрын

    This is very well made props to you my dude

  • @twiss9341
    @twiss934110 ай бұрын

    Impressive video. Thanks for the content ❤

  • @TheSlinkerDog
    @TheSlinkerDog10 ай бұрын

    The narrative around Jokic not having playoff success has always confused me. Jamal Murray, the Nuggets' clear 2nd best player missed all of the '21 AND '22 playoffs. MPJ missed all of the '22 playoffs. The only time Jokic and Murray played together, at ages 25 and only 23(!), they lost in the conference finals to the eventual champion Lakers. Most big players will get some credit for doing what they can with an injury-riddled team, just not Jokic.

  • @taj3618

    @taj3618

    10 ай бұрын

    He did get credit tho. He won 2 MVPs as the 6 seed

  • @thetruth4654

    @thetruth4654

    10 ай бұрын

    @@taj3618 Let`s not act like the 6th seed actually matters, considering there was only like a 3 game difference between 6th and 2th(While Embiid had a way better team btw.)

  • @taj3618

    @taj3618

    10 ай бұрын

    @@thetruth4654 it was an 8 game difference. And it does matter. How often does a player win mvp on the 6th seed? Embiid had the better team but that due to injuries. They weren’t world beaters

  • @dewman7477

    @dewman7477

    10 ай бұрын

    @@taj3618what 8 game difference? In 2021-2022 season Jokic had no squad basically just a bunch of journeyman outside of 4th real option Gordon

  • @TheSlinkerDog

    @TheSlinkerDog

    10 ай бұрын

    @taj3618 This season alone, I've seen 20+ sports commentators criticize Jokic and/or say he didn't deserve this MVP because of his lack of playoff success...

  • @Jinx-oi7hb
    @Jinx-oi7hb10 ай бұрын

    The problem with saying it’s just a regular season award is the fact that Jokic’s lack of a championship was a HUGE narrative reason to not give him a 3peat MVP, but on the other hand, people were completely ignoring the fact that Embiid is the only MVP ever to not get to so much as the conference finals. A lot of people including most sixers fans switched up on that after Embiid choked in game 7

  • @Miles_305

    @Miles_305

    10 ай бұрын

    💯 even as a Heat fan, you gotta love Joker. He is now the best player in the league overall. I don't think it's particularly close tbh.

  • @uchihabean9689

    @uchihabean9689

    9 ай бұрын

    twitter after that game 7 was flaming him💀

  • @Deriv44

    @Deriv44

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@uchihabean9689 What do you mean Joker got his 3rd MVP award in The NBA Finals with the Title 😂😅😅😊

  • @1GmO2

    @1GmO2

    9 ай бұрын

    @@Miles_305facts. Hate that he destroyed us (Miami Heat) but you gotta respect him. Guy should have won his 3rd MVP

  • @Toketree

    @Toketree

    9 ай бұрын

    It’s a regular season award tf you talking about? The playoffs had nothing to do with either one getting or not getting the award my god you people are clowns🤡🤡🤡🤡

  • @Hexa1123
    @Hexa112310 ай бұрын

    I’ve been waiting for a video like this! Thank you DDB.

  • @CYBERRCELL
    @CYBERRCELL9 ай бұрын

    very very cool of you to include the tracklist - earned a sub

  • @PlanetOfTheApes999
    @PlanetOfTheApes99910 ай бұрын

    The other thing is that Embiid keeps boasting that he's the greatest player in the NBA and deserves the MVP and much, much more. He's arrogant and selfish. Jokic and Giannis never behave this way, and they were the ones that played well enough in the regular season to be deserving of a shot at the MVP.

  • @randygram9310

    @randygram9310

    10 ай бұрын

    I also like the way Giannis thanked his fired coach on Twitter for 5 positive years together on the Bucks. Not a Bucks fan but Giannis comes across as a decent human being as well as a great player. In the meantime ... Devin Booker pissing on his fired coach on Twitter .... Embiid blaming his teammates for losing to Boston.

  • @WarGhoulKharas

    @WarGhoulKharas

    10 ай бұрын

    You're forgetting that Embiid throws more people under the bus than Greyhound luggage.

  • @MineFullStop

    @MineFullStop

    10 ай бұрын

    What turned me off about Embiid was the interview he did about Jokic saying all these things about a guy who has never said anything bad about Embiid, if anything Jokic has always talked nicely about him. What tops it all off was when Embiid said "what has he accomplished?" Wtf? How can he say that when Joel hasn't even been past the 2nd round while Jokic at least made the WCF.

  • @vladimird8541

    @vladimird8541

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@MineFullStopThat's why I don't like him at all. He could be the greatest player ever who played the game, but he's gonna be remembered as a lousy human being. Slandering Joker behind his back and throwing teammates under the bus. Excuses and not taking responsibility for anything. Pitiful.

  • @PlanetOfTheApes999

    @PlanetOfTheApes999

    10 ай бұрын

    @@vladimird8541 I have to wonder whether his awful personality is why he can't lead his team to victory in the playoffs. It's easy to dominate weak teams during the regular season, but you need to have strong leadership to win in the playoffs.

  • @krumplin8992
    @krumplin899210 ай бұрын

    What I love about this whole debate is how little Jokic cares. The one finals and two regular MVPs are probably sitting at the back of his shed behind a pile of horseshoes and sugar cubes

  • @foocw

    @foocw

    10 ай бұрын

    heck, i dont think he himself knows where his finals mvp trophy is! he passed it to a staff and never bothered asking about it again as far as the news i know of goes

  • @ass640

    @ass640

    10 ай бұрын

    @@foocw Thing is, he will care about all the awards he gathers after he's retired. Some players get completely zoned in to a pro sport as just being their day job in order to relieve the pressure. Ronnie O'Sullivan is a good example of that in Snooker, goes on about how he doesn't really care if he wins or not, just wants to enjoy the game... but you can tell that's a lie, he just tells himself that but his competitiveness shines through in game. Joker is the same, except he just plays it all off. Basketball is a 15-20 year career at best. After that you've got a long life to live, and you can enjoy all of your success then, just like any other job, where you work for a long time, then you get your pension and do what you want.

  • @Alexander_Grant

    @Alexander_Grant

    10 ай бұрын

    @@ass640 You think? He seems to have his life away from basketball pretty much figured out. I'm sure he'll look back with fond memories, but I doubt he cares as much as some of the other greats about the MVP. The culture he comes from is far different than US culture so he might just be chasing winning the championship and not care too much about individual awards, I don't think he's playing it off as much as you think he is.

  • @jonathansykes4986

    @jonathansykes4986

    10 ай бұрын

    @@ass640 There is absolutely no way that's true. In 10 years when Jokic retires, the public will not hear from him. He will be doing what he enjoys and he might show up for some celebratory NBA/Nuggets nights.

  • @LiangXiaoyung

    @LiangXiaoyung

    10 ай бұрын

    @@foocw he had it at the parade, a staff member took it and shined it up for him. But yeah, he misplaced it for the interview and laughed about it.

  • @javiercampos2196
    @javiercampos21965 ай бұрын

    Loved that you use Melee music amazing video my friend!

  • @fidelcashflow35
    @fidelcashflow3510 ай бұрын

    Great video man

  • @BoneSaw0891
    @BoneSaw089110 ай бұрын

    Embiid crying all off-season already had everyone ready to give him pity votes, but Perkins making it about race sealed it for him.

  • @Operator-Nova
    @Operator-Nova10 ай бұрын

    Im sorry but if one of the arguments for Jokic not winning a third straight MVP is because the “lack” of playoff success, then the argument of “we can’t take away from Embiid’s season because he choked in the playoffs” is incorrect. If it affects one, then it MUST affect the other.

  • @justc1re617

    @justc1re617

    10 ай бұрын

    Especially when one player has been to two conference finals in the last 4 years and the other player hasn't ever been to one

  • @Joesidon

    @Joesidon

    10 ай бұрын

    I thought MVP is a regular season award so playoffs should never matter

  • @artvallejos1460

    @artvallejos1460

    10 ай бұрын

    Jokic 29 triple doubles during the regular season. Embiid 1 triple double during the season.

  • @I_SuperHiro_I

    @I_SuperHiro_I

    10 ай бұрын

    White guy: criticized when he fails, criticized when he succeeds but his team fails, criticized when he succeeds and his team is world champions. Black guy: praised when he fails, praised when his team fails, praised when he succeeds, worshipped if his team wins a championship, still praised when he inevitably beats his girlfriend.

  • @bass7100

    @bass7100

    10 ай бұрын

    They would have to have integrity for that.

  • @ChazCasserole
    @ChazCasserole9 ай бұрын

    I need an nfl equivalent of this channel. I’m not even a huge basketball fan but I love your videos. 👍🏻

  • @Maxxx1musP
    @Maxxx1musP5 ай бұрын

    If the MVP is based on the regular season and the post season is not supposed to be a factor, then why did the media keep bringing up Jokic's lack of Finals appearances as a mark against him? Great video BTW👍

  • @1flxrist
    @1flxrist10 ай бұрын

    So Giannis and jokic didn’t get 3 straight because of voter fatigue and playoff success but embiid can win it over Giannis and jokic without getting out the East wtf is that about

  • @WarGhoulKharas

    @WarGhoulKharas

    10 ай бұрын

    Personally I thought Giannis deserved it the year he won his chip. No hate.

  • @averagecoasterenjoyer

    @averagecoasterenjoyer

    9 ай бұрын

    @@WarGhoulKharas If this cycle continues the Sixers will win a championship in two years and Embiid will repeat as MVP this year

  • @kkjwdfjopwekfjopcdsxzdfsdf3967
    @kkjwdfjopwekfjopcdsxzdfsdf396710 ай бұрын

    NBA Media: Jokic should not win a 3rd MVP since he lacks playoff success Also NBA Media: Lets give it to a guy who has been stuck in conference semi-finals purgatory. As much as I hate popular vote, maybe the former is a better option than letting these idiots choose the MVP.

  • @bhssssss1

    @bhssssss1

    10 ай бұрын

    Jokic won 2 MVPs and got eliminated in the 1st round and got swept in the 2nd

  • @Puwapupu

    @Puwapupu

    10 ай бұрын

    @@bhssssss1 and went to WCF and this year a champion whats next to ur argument boy !!!

  • @Puwapupu

    @Puwapupu

    10 ай бұрын

    @@bhssssss1 embich the fake and fraud MVP 5-18 on a game seven lol

  • @leetraviusmckay2919

    @leetraviusmckay2919

    10 ай бұрын

    @@bhssssss1And Embiid hasn’t been past the second round

  • @kkjwdfjopwekfjopcdsxzdfsdf3967

    @kkjwdfjopwekfjopcdsxzdfsdf3967

    10 ай бұрын

    @@bhssssss1 Your comment does nothing to counter my point.

  • @londonspong5352
    @londonspong53529 ай бұрын

    Leavin a like and scrollin on. Forget the video. Great title my man!!

  • @Alexander_Grant
    @Alexander_Grant10 ай бұрын

    Man, these are so good. I feel the EmpLemon inspiration, and I think you do a really good job making it your own without copying him completely. These videos are pretty close to the basketball version of EmpLemon, and that's high praise since there is no better content creator.

  • @bringinthedope5929

    @bringinthedope5929

    10 ай бұрын

    interesting, i didnt think of this comparison until you said it. would you believe him if he said he didn't know who that was though?

  • @Alexander_Grant

    @Alexander_Grant

    10 ай бұрын

    @@bringinthedope5929 I wouldn't believe he had never heard of him, he uses a lot of the same music and same effects on the video, it's got quite a bit of editing overlap with the "there may Never Ever be another man as powerful as Stanislav Petrov" video.

  • @yashsolanki589
    @yashsolanki58910 ай бұрын

    I still have no idea why talking heads like Perkins get to have an MVP vote. Mark Jackson, being the idiot he is, left Jokic off his MVP ballot. There needs to be a better voting pool for NBA awards especially now as a players salary is tied down to the fact if he gets into the All NBA teams.

  • @leetraviusmckay2919

    @leetraviusmckay2919

    10 ай бұрын

    The icing on the cake was them having to watch Jokic lead his team to the NBA Finals and winning the Finals MVP

  • @Desi365

    @Desi365

    10 ай бұрын

    Of'course, but it won't happen, unfortunately

  • @bigbrytunney8753

    @bigbrytunney8753

    10 ай бұрын

    and a bunch of people just got layed off at ESPN....guess who kept their jobs?

  • @TheGoogergieger
    @TheGoogergieger10 ай бұрын

    It’s only toxic and has been toxic because of Embiid and his fans. Oh and his propagandists in the media. There really has never been a basketball argument as to why he is better or more deserving of the mvp over Jokic or Giannis. Even the people that finally voted for him this year said it was because he should get at least one cause the other two have two mvps. But he ain’t a better defender than Giannis or better offensive player than Jokic. I’m glad this finals run also finally proved to EVERYONE that the gap between Jokic on offense is massive while the defensive gap is not that big. It’s literally just shot blocking and nothing else. Voters robbed basketball fans of an even more historic run by not giving the mvp to the actual most deserving player.

  • @zod548

    @zod548

    10 ай бұрын

    The gap on defense is large if you ask me, watched Jokic the whole playoff run, he doesn’t alter nearly as many shots, and guys attack with pure confidence it’s beyond just the blocks. Outside of that, yeah the gap is huge offensively

  • @navonmyhand7999

    @navonmyhand7999

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@zod548I feel like Jayson Tatum absolutely playing with Embiid for a record setting game 7 kind of refutes that argument that the gap is so amazingly large.

  • @stefanvujadinovic9991

    @stefanvujadinovic9991

    10 ай бұрын

    @@zod548 Your eye test is not really all that important, no offense. Nuggets don't allow many shots at the rim and those that were "allowed" players converted on like 38%, which is absolutely elite. Little digging beats the eye test in 100% of the cases.

  • @matija9540

    @matija9540

    10 ай бұрын

    ⁠@@zod548Jokic has a better DBPM, Defensive WS and Defensive RTG throughout his entire career than Embiid. Embiid’s defense just looks flashy because he blocks a lot of shots.

  • @zod548

    @zod548

    10 ай бұрын

    @@matija9540 there’s no way you watched these games and come to me with unreliable defensive stats lol

  • @999demonyouth7
    @999demonyouth710 ай бұрын

    i love when u post

  • @beshun
    @beshun10 ай бұрын

    Great video

  • @MrPerceptiveReality
    @MrPerceptiveReality10 ай бұрын

    All Joel wanted was MVP and he got it. The Joker Got a Chip and Finals MVP. We all know who the better big man is.

  • @hypnotist1200

    @hypnotist1200

    10 ай бұрын

    Exactly embiid selfish af.

  • @cappy2282

    @cappy2282

    10 ай бұрын

    Ya that's was my problem with Joel. He seems like his season goals are winning MVP lol

  • @astriddececco3005

    @astriddececco3005

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@cappy2282He even said that the game against Jokic in Philly was his personal Superbowl. Jokic treated it like a regular season game but to Joel, it was his final.

  • @kappaman1994

    @kappaman1994

    10 ай бұрын

    Yes… it is EMBIID

  • @ranchosdelnorte

    @ranchosdelnorte

    10 ай бұрын

    @@astriddececco3005 Jokic wasn't even healthy that game and treated it like any other, and still got off to an early 15pt lead. Sixers were force feeding Embiid as much as they could, and weren't able to pull away until they went for broke and just started chucking up threes.

  • @interstellardeskplant
    @interstellardeskplant10 ай бұрын

    The only reason joker didn't win is because of kendrick Perkins.

  • @paulrobinson3213

    @paulrobinson3213

    7 ай бұрын

    It is a shame the media let a functional idiot influence their decision.

  • @Pistaxios
    @Pistaxios10 ай бұрын

    what a great video once again dylan :D

  • @whatupcuz3688
    @whatupcuz368810 ай бұрын

    I think it is extremely cowardly how Embiid chose to sit out against Jokic and also stat pads at the ends of game. The reason i would say Jokic is more deserving is because he does whatever he can not for individual awards or stats, but so his team can win. He shows up, and even when he missed the last few games of the season it was so he could go on a run in the playoffs. Meanwhile, Embiid begs for the ball from Harden at the end of the game to stat pad and cries to the media that he deserves MVP.

  • @zod548

    @zod548

    10 ай бұрын

    They just lost game 6 because he stopped demanding the ball, so which is it? And there’s no way he’s scared of Jokic, if anything I’m sure he’d love to play him every game considering how dominant he was, but he definitely cannot seem to handle the altitude

  • @dfallen4ngel

    @dfallen4ngel

    10 ай бұрын

    @@zod548 your emduck so scared

  • @matija9540

    @matija9540

    10 ай бұрын

    @@zod548delusional

  • @zod548

    @zod548

    10 ай бұрын

    @@matija9540 it’s literal facts, he can’t play in the altitude, it’s not a matter of facing Jokic himself , hence why he can play in Philly but not Denver , Embiid isn’t a guy in great shape with as much stamina as Jokic

  • @zod548

    @zod548

    10 ай бұрын

    @@dfallen4ngel I don’t see what’s to be scared of , Jokic isn’t a challenge for Embiid offensively

  • @braylo4009
    @braylo400910 ай бұрын

    Honestly this seasons mvp race should make people look at a lot of media personalities as sources that should never be taken serious. Just say anything to paint an ugly narrative ☹️

  • @braylo4009

    @braylo4009

    10 ай бұрын

    And don’t even bother to make the narrative interesting or realistic either.

  • @steviechampagne

    @steviechampagne

    10 ай бұрын

    if you’re still forming opinions from mainstream cable media in 2023 it’s time to make a change 😅

  • @navonmyhand7999

    @navonmyhand7999

    10 ай бұрын

    99% of people in basketball media can't be taken seriously. Especially those at the top, they talk for clicks and hate engagement not actual discussion and analysis.

  • @ethanc999
    @ethanc99910 ай бұрын

    Love your videos man!

  • @dreamcreationmedia4000
    @dreamcreationmedia40006 ай бұрын

    Great job!!

  • @crablord7934
    @crablord793410 ай бұрын

    Saying Jokic doesn’t deserve it because he hasn't had playoff success and then giving it to Embiid, who even before this year's playoffs hadn't ever made it as far as Jokic in the playoffs before is enough proof for how reliable these "experts" are.

  • @BucketofScuzz
    @BucketofScuzz10 ай бұрын

    Jokic did win the MVP in 2023. I don't know why everyone is upset.

  • @laffyjohansson7005

    @laffyjohansson7005

    10 ай бұрын

    Best comment!!!! 🔥🔥🔥

  • @bding1738

    @bding1738

    10 ай бұрын

    Would change mvp for fmvp any day of the week

  • @jacksonhowe8486

    @jacksonhowe8486

    9 ай бұрын

    mickey mouse fmvp

  • @Speegsy
    @Speegsy10 ай бұрын

    Dylan your content is like elite level youtube mvp

  • @randygram9310
    @randygram931010 ай бұрын

    I also like the way Giannis thanked his fired coach on Twitter for 5 positive years together on the Bucks. Not a Bucks fan but Giannis comes across as a decent human being as well as a great player. In the meantime ... Devin Booker pissing on his fired coach on Twitter .... Embiid blaming his teammates for losing to Boston.

  • @socialistbatman1211
    @socialistbatman121110 ай бұрын

    I was under the impression Embiid won because of the last month and a half of the season. The voting seems to not align with that. How could it be so one sided when Giannis’s team was way ahead of everyone for most of the year, the Nuggets were number 1 in the West for the whole year? Embiid’s defense was great, but it wasnt so spectacular that it outshined Giannis’s defense. Jokic definitely was not bad defensively this year. Embiid was the leading scorer, averaging over 30, but is that so much more valuable than guys that averages more rebounds and assists with better records? In the case of Jokic, the difference in assists is insane, in the case of Giannis, there’s only like 2 points separating them.

  • @taj3618

    @taj3618

    10 ай бұрын

    I think it’s cause Embiid played more games than Giannis and the Sixers had a better record than the Nuggets, even tho they led the West. It really came down to voter fatigue. I think a lot of people felt Embiid should’ve won 1 of the previous 2 MVPs so they had to give him this 1

  • @Va11idus

    @Va11idus

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@@taj3618how can Embiid be the MVP when his team had a higher win rate when he was out? That's the opposite of being valuable.

  • @taj3618

    @taj3618

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Va11idus 1) it’s a 16 game sample size 2) look at who they played and you’ll see most of the games were against non playoff teams 3) Giannis team also had winning record without him. You’re not going to the Bucks are better without Giannis

  • @Va11idus

    @Va11idus

    10 ай бұрын

    @@taj3618 are you unironically suggesting that Embiid is as valuable to his team as Jokic?

  • @taj3618

    @taj3618

    10 ай бұрын

    @@Va11idus have you ever heard of voter fatigue?

  • @pfwag
    @pfwag10 ай бұрын

    At the end of the day, EVERYBODY knows who the real MVP is and who the affirmative action MVP is.

  • @Mr_C137
    @Mr_C13710 ай бұрын

    Great video!

  • @CBFHVP
    @CBFHVP10 ай бұрын

    Embiid winning the MVP is one of the most embarrassing moments in basketball history.

  • @emilioazpiri8435

    @emilioazpiri8435

    8 ай бұрын

    😐

  • @RomnysGonzalez

    @RomnysGonzalez

    8 ай бұрын

    One of the worst winners of all time in my opinion

  • @teledanhogan4237
    @teledanhogan423710 ай бұрын

    I believe we as fans were robbed of what could’ve been, the greatest season ever played by a center. Jokić shut down the last 1.5 months because of the race narrative in the MVP vote anyone that watched the team all year understands this. He would have played to stay in the first seed.However,The NBA was robbed by a racist / anti Jokić narrative .

  • @simless282

    @simless282

    10 ай бұрын

    Do you realize that jokic won his first mvp because they didn't want giannis to win his 3rd straight for the SAME reasons?

  • @crigz8113

    @crigz8113

    10 ай бұрын

    @@simless282 this was a much better MVP choice compared to the Embiid vs Jokic though. In 2020, statistically Jokic was more or less the same as Giannis given that Jokic played more games. This time, Embiid only had ppg in his side given that he is a foul merchant who got exposed in the playoffs. You can ignore the playoffs part and still my point stands.

  • @peterguidry6084

    @peterguidry6084

    10 ай бұрын

    It would of been in the discussion as the Greatest season by a center but not definitive.

  • @michaelfrench238

    @michaelfrench238

    10 ай бұрын

    @@crigz8113u just ignoring defense

  • @RicardoAGuitar

    @RicardoAGuitar

    10 ай бұрын

    We weren't robbed of anything. Jokic did what he did, and the writers missing that didn't erase Jokic's accomplishments

  • @joaquinwarren7204
    @joaquinwarren720410 ай бұрын

    Great video and valid takes

  • @fernymaldadanado3250
    @fernymaldadanado325010 ай бұрын

    Everyone will remember Jokic championship, and overlook Embiid’s MVP

  • @jacksonhowe8486

    @jacksonhowe8486

    9 ай бұрын

    no one will remember the nuggets championship since it was against a 8th seed

  • @Luca-yb4sh

    @Luca-yb4sh

    4 ай бұрын

    @@jacksonhowe8486 An 8th seed that was better than the 1st and 2nd seed.

  • @jacksonhowe8486

    @jacksonhowe8486

    4 ай бұрын

    @@Luca-yb4sh still an 8th seed

  • @Luca-yb4sh

    @Luca-yb4sh

    4 ай бұрын

    @@jacksonhowe8486 Stupid logic. They faced the best team to come out of the East.

  • @aquamarine56

    @aquamarine56

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@jacksonhowe8486 stupid logic. Heat was ECF champion and outlasted Celtics.😂

  • @rankoorovic7904
    @rankoorovic790410 ай бұрын

    Embid's MVP reminds me of the MVP that David Robinson won in 1995 and then Olajuwon humiliated him in the playoffs Embid didn't play against Jokic but this aged poorly in a week

  • @pittland44

    @pittland44

    9 ай бұрын

    The only difference is that I think there was a stronger argument for the Admiral than there was for Embiid. There's definitely a comparison to be made there though.

  • @chronicle_4

    @chronicle_4

    9 ай бұрын

    @@pittland44 Exactly. Dave and Shaq was the one gunning for MVP back then. Olajuwon's Houston was really struggling that season but found the magic button in the playoffs. MVP is a regular season award so makes sense to give it to Dave Robinson. Unlike when Embiid's Sixers is not the top seed while the Nuggets were obviously the #1 team this season. (Heck, even Giannis winning it this year is probably argument as Bucks is top at East).

  • @pittland44

    @pittland44

    9 ай бұрын

    @@chronicle_4 Was that the year Dave and Shaq were in the race for the scoring title as well? Because they were both on fire at that point. Then what you said happened, Olajuwon and the Rockets turned on the jets in the playoffs and that was all she wrote.

  • @chronicle_4

    @chronicle_4

    9 ай бұрын

    @@pittland44 the scoring race between shaq and dave as the previous yr i believe.

  • @UTNatlChamps

    @UTNatlChamps

    Ай бұрын

    Robinson was a lot better in the regular season than Olajuwon in that season. So there’s not much overlap.

  • @Richxwolf
    @Richxwolf10 ай бұрын

    Dylan is one of the only people I stop what I'm doing and watch the video

  • @slackerofhell

    @slackerofhell

    10 ай бұрын

    Man comes in clutch

  • @opeth1429
    @opeth14299 ай бұрын

    Well done and interesting video, thank you for the good work! I think the players are interested in the MVP race for several reasons. 1.) They are competitive 2.) They probably get contract bonuses if they win MVP 3.) Having the MVP on the resume may help with contract negotiations. Some fans, on the other hand, enjoy the drama. I for one, don't care about any trophy other than the championship trophy. It seems like that was Nikola Jokic's tack this year as well. Even if he had no MVP trophies, I am betting that Jokic would not trade trophies with Embiid.

  • @DD-sr9xm
    @DD-sr9xm10 ай бұрын

    Honestly, the dip in form for the Nuggets in the last 15 or so games of last season was two things; Jokic coasting to rest his body and Jokic tanking his mvp chances. The narrative had become so caustic (thanks Perk) that he knew if he won, it would get WORSE. All he wanted to do was win a championship for himself, his teammates, his coaches, team owners and fans. The mvp became a distraction and a potential threat to their focus in the playoffs. He intentionally tanked his mvp chances. He doesn’t care about individual accolades and he is good friends with Embiid anyway so let his friend get one while he gets the OTHER MVP award, which he did.

  • @i_fuze_hostages6
    @i_fuze_hostages610 ай бұрын

    He got robbed but he got his chip at the end of the day

  • @Alex-sj2gq

    @Alex-sj2gq

    10 ай бұрын

    Yeah Idky people are making a big deal he earned the FMVP which is way more valuable than the regular season MVP.

  • @justinholland6132

    @justinholland6132

    10 ай бұрын

    Didn’t get robbed. Both him jokic and ginnais played awesome this regular season

  • @ranchosdelnorte

    @ranchosdelnorte

    10 ай бұрын

    But we got robbed of witnessing history, getting to see a player earn his 3rd straight MVP followed by a historic playoff run and Finals MVP.

  • @DoctorHush

    @DoctorHush

    10 ай бұрын

    @@justinholland6132 He did get robbed, he played noticably better than Embiid

  • @jacksonhowe8486

    @jacksonhowe8486

    9 ай бұрын

    @@DoctorHush cap

  • @zettour.
    @zettour.10 ай бұрын

    Imagine winning MVP over a guy who leads you in every stat except for points*, blocks, and FT%. Edited for clarity.

  • @andyhaochizhang

    @andyhaochizhang

    10 ай бұрын

    And to clarify for ppl who don't know, Embiid leads in scoring volume but not efficiency. So Embiid is not really a better scorer but just took more shots where passing might be a better option.

  • @ronan82

    @ronan82

    10 ай бұрын

    Yep. Jokic (while only .1 point better) has the better PER. He also has 2.6 more Win Shares, probably Embiid's most damning deficiency as this simply proves Jokic was more important to his team. Edited for continuity.

  • @tornadotom2390
    @tornadotom239010 ай бұрын

    Good video. Worth watching.

  • @BigBoyDanny123
    @BigBoyDanny12310 ай бұрын

    Class video

  • @YisroelGoldberg
    @YisroelGoldberg10 ай бұрын

    Thank you for this 🙏 the Jokic hate from guys like perk and Keyshawn is unbearable

  • @navonmyhand7999

    @navonmyhand7999

    10 ай бұрын

    I just don't get the "eye test" and "boring to watch" criticisms. He's so much fun to watch, and compared to Embiid flopping every game & shooting 15 free throws it's no contest who I'd rather sit down and watch.

  • @ass640

    @ass640

    10 ай бұрын

    @@navonmyhand7999 The "eye test" is all about race to people like Kendrick. They're racists who can't stand the idea of a white serbian guy being the best player in the world, and pretty much a top 10 player of all time now.

  • @jacksonhowe8486

    @jacksonhowe8486

    9 ай бұрын

    I hate how everyone hates on Embiid even Jokic flops too

  • @kevinzhu6417
    @kevinzhu641710 ай бұрын

    video essays on sports are much less common than other subjects, your channel probably makes some of or the best on KZread. Hyped to watch this one

  • @BiggieTrismegistus

    @BiggieTrismegistus

    9 ай бұрын

    Totally agree. I'm not even really much of an NBA fans but I love Dylan's videos.

  • @flyers99jack13
    @flyers99jack1310 ай бұрын

    This is a great video

  • @seraj8811
    @seraj881110 ай бұрын

    Glad more people also noticed Jokic visibly tuned out by the mvp race ( and basketball as a whole imo) when the conversation took that ugly turn in march. Seemed obvious that Embiid was winning it. Also is Embiid winning another mvp amd then a ring like two centers prior?

  • @jesstiss222
    @jesstiss22210 ай бұрын

    Great timeline review of this madness! One critical (imo) point everyone leaves out, Embiid didn’t just duck that one matchup in Denver - he’s only played in Denver TWICE! Once in 2014 and once in 2019, not to mention never getting past the 2nd round of the semifinals. What kind of accolades has he *earned*? But he got his lil binky so whatevs. Tarnished popularity award indeed, thanks Embiid

  • @jonathanlgill

    @jonathanlgill

    10 ай бұрын

    Also worth noting that Embiid played all the games before and after that Denver game. The "injury" just affected him that one day...

  • @liamberry43

    @liamberry43

    10 ай бұрын

    I mean Embiid has legitimately been injured or sick in most of those matchups, and didn’t even play his first NBA game until the 2016-17 season so you’re just flat out wrong there. However, i do think he ducked the latest matchup

  • @Gio-pb5rm
    @Gio-pb5rm10 ай бұрын

    My problem is that there is no clear criteria for the award. Sometimes it’s most valuable to their team, best team, best stats, whose game is the most fun for fans, or best story. It’s a very subjective award and every mvp award can be controversial

  • @brandonjamar

    @brandonjamar

    10 ай бұрын

    that’s kinda just what an award is lol

  • @vercettii
    @vercettii10 ай бұрын

    That intro was elite

  • @Danjakkju
    @Danjakkju9 ай бұрын

    hey bro i appreciate you using gran turismo 5 ost on 2:44 hahahaha damn nice vid

  • @01ment
    @01ment10 ай бұрын

    If I were in Jokic's shoes, I would officially declare retreat from any future MVP race and wouldn't accept the trophy even if every so - called expert vote in my favor. He doesn't need to be bothered by the comments of the people who have never touched a basketball, or they have thought it is a football.

  • @garchompdude
    @garchompdude10 ай бұрын

    The funniest part of this whole thing is that Jokic clearly doesn’t care about the debate. He just wants to play basketball and win championships. Meanwhile Embiid is out here complaining

  • @themsuicjunkies

    @themsuicjunkies

    10 ай бұрын

    Lets be clear, he only cares about his horses.

  • @ekky.febriansyah1

    @ekky.febriansyah1

    10 ай бұрын

    @@themsuicjunkies facts lol, he even didn't care about his finals MVP trophy and left it on the podium. And the most funny thing is on some interview, he said he wants to go home ASAP after the championship parade 😂

  • @ickyvicky6882
    @ickyvicky688210 ай бұрын

    You and jxymhighroller are the best youtube basketball commentators out there🙌🏽🙌🏽

  • @caelanroberts8566
    @caelanroberts85669 ай бұрын

    It’s so crazy that jokic and Giannis had the same path to a championship btb MVP then voter fatigue lots of “they a regular season player” then immediate chip. absolute madness

  • @lewishamilton537
    @lewishamilton53710 ай бұрын

    People took the mvp away from Jokic because they don’t like it when the same player wins all the time, it’s like when the warriors went bad after KD left for a bit l. Jokic should be a 3 time mvp but Embiid started a media movement to help him win it

  • @ass640

    @ass640

    10 ай бұрын

    and the funny part about that is, Embiid will never win a ring for the remainder of his career. Jokic will win many more.

  • @evan3241

    @evan3241

    9 ай бұрын

    embii deserved it

  • @jacksonhowe8486

    @jacksonhowe8486

    9 ай бұрын

    @@ass640 how do you know that

  • @jacksonhowe8486

    @jacksonhowe8486

    9 ай бұрын

    @@ass640 the nuggets have like no bench anymore

  • @Championshiporbust
    @Championshiporbust10 ай бұрын

    Hey Dylan been a fan since your 5th video and your growth and how much you’ve improved on your career is inspiring and incredible to watch. Don’t stop man this is incredible.

  • @AntoineBandele
    @AntoineBandele10 ай бұрын

    "NBA fans have the memory of a goldfish" is a perfect usmmary of this video.

  • @niceone4407
    @niceone440710 ай бұрын

    we all know the joker didn’t get the mvp because they didn’t want him getting three in a row 😂

  • @tristanharris8440
    @tristanharris844010 ай бұрын

    It doesn't matter anymore. Jokic got that ring and finals MVP. Embiid can milk his MVP babe until he at least makes it past the second round.

  • @ranchosdelnorte

    @ranchosdelnorte

    10 ай бұрын

    It does matter because we got screwed out of witnessing history. We could have watched a player get his 3rd straight for first time in 30years then top that off with a historic playoff run and Finals MVP. But too many people were more concerned about who did or didn't win 3 straight in the past instead of rewarding the person that truly had the best regular season.

  • @Noblekidd12
    @Noblekidd1210 ай бұрын

    Was not expecting the fire emblem background music 🫡 salute

  • @carlmillbrooks9044
    @carlmillbrooks90449 ай бұрын

    IT'S BEEN OVER 40 YEARS SINCE I SEEN A PLAYER WITH THIS GREATNESS, ESPECIALLY A CENTER!

  • @NoahBodze

    @NoahBodze

    7 ай бұрын

    He's like a better Ichiro in that Jokic is an unorthodox outsider who dominates the best league in the world his way.

  • @zaidkidwai7831
    @zaidkidwai783110 ай бұрын

    Love your videos man, some of the best high quality content on the platform.

  • @wyattfriend7360
    @wyattfriend736010 ай бұрын

    facts.. facts and education, Jokic shoulda never lost this mvp that's awful. I mean the numbers he put up must be the greatest individual stat line in NBA history.

  • @Solimci
    @Solimci10 ай бұрын

    The funniest part is that Jokic doesn't even care about that award. Although there was no legitimate reason for Embiid to win it over Joker, I'm happy for him as he is an MVP caliber player and deserves recognition for his regular season achievments. He's just not better than Jokic, or more valauble. As a Denver fan, Nikola has the right priorities and led our team to the chip (while winning a conference finals and finals MVP award as a side hustle). I'm disappointed in the media because they started getting ridiculous with the accusations against Joker and their casualness is mind blowing. The championship and finals MVP trophy is in Jokic's hands.

  • @bronxjewelix

    @bronxjewelix

    7 ай бұрын

    @Solimci Jokic had bigger fish to fry. Exactly, Denver Steamrolled through the West and make the conference finals something Joel Embiid hasn’t done once, to win and make the NBA Finals, something Joel hasn’t done.

  • @OugiEin
    @OugiEin10 ай бұрын

    The issue is even though the MVP is a regular season award everyone expects your team to go to the finals unless of course you're in a rebuild

  • @baradureye2170
    @baradureye217010 ай бұрын

    Let’s be honest, no matter who won, this mvp race wouldn’t have reached levels of toxic if Perkins didn’t open his damn mouth for clicks, at this point I feel sorry for embiid that this overshadowed the award

  • @leonardoyi3183

    @leonardoyi3183

    10 ай бұрын

    Sorry for embiid why? he got an mvp he didn't deserved. I feel sorry for jokic. He deserved to win the MVP.

  • @adrianfreeman2041

    @adrianfreeman2041

    10 ай бұрын

    Embiid definitely threw a couple of logs on the fire after it was lit.

  • @zod548

    @zod548

    10 ай бұрын

    @@leonardoyi3183hard to feel sorry for someone who doesn’t care about the award

  • @zappa3837
    @zappa383710 ай бұрын

    These mini-docs are so meticulous and well done.

  • @armandog7565
    @armandog756510 ай бұрын

    He deserves everything!! ❤ from Spurs fan

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