What ruined online gaming for me is that it is not about having fun anymore. It is all revolving around chasing the lastest meta.

@samfire3067

3 ай бұрын

Mean while Team Fortress 2: Potiss Potiss

@xxslears2xx

3 ай бұрын

just stop playing into the meta trash, you think its required until you develop your own pool and if the game isnt trash it will allow for players to find their own workable if not better than meta char/play/comps

@WardenOfTerra

3 ай бұрын

There's no such thing as a 'latest meta' because it constantly changes. You either adapt, or you lose. That's literally life, which is not a 'meta game'.

@user-zj6tl2jt9h

3 ай бұрын

Meta and an influx of hacking. People advertise hacks/spoofers on tiktok a lot for profit.

@user-zj6tl2jt9h

3 ай бұрын

That and the fact that companys stealth boost people who pay for microtransactions. Hearthstone. COD, and a few others.

The mentality shift of "I want to have fun and relax" to "I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was!" It's the biggest reason I shifted from multiplayer to singleplayer.

@dn9156

2 ай бұрын

And they usually aren't, they're just using some exploit or op meta to compensate

@JDPhader

2 ай бұрын

Strange it happened only after the Pokemon era children grew up.

@Dutchman451

2 ай бұрын

@@dn9156 even on the off chance that they're genuinely skilled, they only feel good if there's someone who loses against them. Singleplayer try-hards at least have a sense of accomplishment for a bit, but the fact that neither single or multiplayer try-hards can just enjoy a game for what it is is the most telling thing

@dankaliciousness

2 ай бұрын

my buddies got me to buy helldivers 2 and they were like 4 hours in and i was like 2 hours in. He's already sending me endgame meta youtube videos like bruh i've only played 2 hours ffs.

@matthamende6359

2 ай бұрын

Yeah 4-5 years ago, I'd pretty much all but given up on MP gaming, on the rare opportunity I was able to get "the boys" all coordinated for a few hours that no one is working, taking care of their kids or doing chores, we'd try to play something like CSGO and just get dominated by 12 year olds that have infinitely more freetime, to the point it's just not fun. So I switched almost exclusively to SP games for years. The only recent exception has been Helldivers 2, because I'm not competing "against" the other players, and my friends and family seem way more encouraged to make time when the stakes are low and getting dunked on by teenagers isn't a virtual certainty.

I work 60 hours a week. I dont want to sign in for a few hours a week and get fucking ass blasted by people that play 60 hours a week.

@hartake6667

10 күн бұрын

Exactly 💯

@Mythowars

7 күн бұрын

Same happened with madden. I would wanna just hop on quick for some fun but anyone I ever play is a child or just a prick. I’ve noticed the win and getting like 2 coins at the end of the game is all that mattered. So the win and those 2 coins Ada reward meant players cheese or spam the game to just make people quit. Or call of duty. I remember when it would be pretty rare to come across a guy just ripping an entire lobby to shreds.. and it’d be the one guy on the other r team not the entire other team going off. No you play cod everyone is using nasa level headphones where you can hear everything.

@doubled99218

7 күн бұрын

sound like a you problem. you don't play = no skill .... play a single player game

@ragnaros7889

6 күн бұрын

@@doubled99218 got ur wish granted. As result ur favorite game lost 70% player base and was forced to close its services

@nelzelpher7158

6 күн бұрын

Get gud, your bad.

This is what happened with Street Fighter 2 in the arcades in the early 90s. Lots of people wanted to try it at first, but the top 5% or 10% of players played it so much and got so good at it, new players stopped even trying to play because they'd hate to wake in line to play just to lose in 10 seconds to the pro that just new all the combos and could end you in 3 moves without you getting a hit in.

@CausethatsaTechFoul

Ай бұрын

It didnt help that most home ports of street fighter 2 were awful compared to the arcade versions.

@thegreatbeavers

23 күн бұрын

Also while Asmongold is right about meta being meta? No. In order to break the mold you have to break the meta. It's why guys like Daigo Umihara is just a monster in Street Fighter. Perfect Meta Player who knows how to break the Meta just to win the match. One mistake is all that's needed in Street Fighter. Well for competitive.

@calib5518

16 күн бұрын

@@thegreatbeavers lol break the meta

As Syndrome said "When everyone is super, no one will be"

@Silversmith70

3 ай бұрын

You sly dog, you got me monologuing!

@creatorsfreedom6734

3 ай бұрын

i stared at the sun for five minute's

@Satansclawps3

3 ай бұрын

Grammar, where is the capital at the start of your sentence?

@Satansclawps3

3 ай бұрын

@@creatorsfreedom6734 Did you go to school? A sentence starts with a capital.

@TallMonster

3 ай бұрын

@@Satansclawps3 there you happy?

This is exactly why PvE coop games like Palworld and Helldivers 2 are popping off. They break the gap between the casual and competitive players and give room to everyone

@varietypaul

3 ай бұрын

even beyond that, something like Among Us became huge because it was a casual game you could play with friends. Need more good games like that

@stoneodin2288

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@varietypaulAll Battlefront Classic Collection needed to do was exactly this and it would’ve been great 😂

@RunRunRun1901

3 ай бұрын

People will come to treat these like PvP if given even a little bit of challenge. See MMO raiding nowadays

@SomeBsMovie

3 ай бұрын

@@stoneodin2288 not really an apt comparison, that's a pvp game

@dandyshark6094

3 ай бұрын

Even hellsiver has their won sweaty/toxic player that angry if u didnt bring loadout they want or kick u ingame even u didnt do anythinf wrong

The one game I watched this happen in real time was Escape from Tarkov. Once it blew up on twitch the devs catered solely to streamers and their followers requests.

@TheeGlocktopus

Ай бұрын

Yeah, it's really just min-maxing by the devs. If all you knew about basketball or football came from sportscenter highlight montages and top tens, you'd have a very distorted view on what those games actually are and how they should be played.

@Cocainym

28 күн бұрын

Collect money quickly after the wipe and run gunblaze everyone in top armor. Streamers have an advantage because the ones I followed played almost all day. Not surprised that sptarkov, where you can play single player, has become very popular now. Where you can calmly explore locations, and the main thing is use weapons you want, not the ones that effective in PvP

@ArminiusSage

27 күн бұрын

Dayz is another great example. But not on the dev side, but on server owners placating the streamers.

@Czar59

27 күн бұрын

@@Cocainym SPTarkov has been fun and it's free with great customization options thanks to mods. It was the most fun I've had on Tarkov since my first few wipes in the long long ago

@Cocainym

27 күн бұрын

@@Czar59 Thought I'd go back and try the official PvE, as it seems even the developers have realized that PvE can be liked by the players.

Removing dedicated servers ruined gaming. The max you’ll play with a stranger is 20 minutes in a lobby compared to daily on dedicated servers. Having admin privileges was the best.

@changer_of_ways_suspense_smith

2 ай бұрын

switch switch boom

@lotlizard7735

2 ай бұрын

Facts. Dedicated servers were the best thing to happen to gaming. Want skins? Make them. Bored with the maps? Make your own. Gamemodes getting stale? Community made mods take 10mins to install. Gamespy shut down? Community made anticheat incoming. EA no longer supporting the game? Doesn't matter it runs on dedicated servers. Medal of Honor Allied Assault is still playable to this day. Why? Dedicated servers.

@lemonsquidsec

2 ай бұрын

Dedicated servers really made it. Playing with friends and enemies is much more fun than playing strangers.

@lotlizard7735

2 ай бұрын

@@lemonsquidsec i agree. Nothing like hopping in your favorite server and seeing all the regulars.

@russl7085

Ай бұрын

Still have that in Ark, and some of them have incredible things happening. Not an FPS though

It wasn't just streamers. It's online gaming in general. It's all about meta, optimizing, builds, elo, leaderboards, competition, etc. The internet ruined the concept of just having fun and enjoying a gaming experience.

@lorenzl8913

3 ай бұрын

U never need to use any of those, enjoy the game how you want. The moment you use these you are part of the problem

@MarkChewy

3 ай бұрын

Online gaming was fine before so not rly tbh it is more about streamers and the way game implementations changed for online games

@MarkoMarkovic-tc4vd

3 ай бұрын

just eased the accsess to information. If you choose to play a competitive game instead of a coop or pve oriented one there will always be people who wanna win more than you . They will research the shit out of it . Same goes for chess. If you choose a game with a leaderbord, dont be suprised someone is tryharding . You can always just accept being casual in a competitive game , thats where most of the playerbase is anyway.

@TheCosmicAstro-

3 ай бұрын

most people dont care about leaderboards, but everything else yeah people meta the fun out of games.

@cheesecake7159

3 ай бұрын

Agree, optimizing income in mmo game are crazy, you play game not work a job

Old COD lobbies were so good, I could play for 5 hours straight with the same 10 people. It made for great social experiences. Now being forced to quit from a lobby and potentially never see those people again, or weeks from then when you forgot who they are.

@stanislavkimov2779

3 ай бұрын

What was the point of such a change in all online games? Now it makes it pointless to play them, I feel more lonely than when I play a single-player game.

@Jaime_Protein_Cannister

3 ай бұрын

@@stanislavkimov2779 you can make your own lobbies and invite people to game , happens all the time. Every game has an invite feature and if it doesnt your steam does You sure youre playing games ? Sounds like youre just busy listening to your own voice Yes old lobbies were sooooooo good always playing with the same 10 ppl because everyone else is better than you so there is no point looking for other lobby especially in games like cs , quake and so on...good luck finding a lobby you dont need 2yrs of practice to be able to hang with. Talk about bs nostalgia trips

@stanislavkimov2779

3 ай бұрын

@@Jaime_Protein_Cannister thing is, you must find these people outside the game and bring them there. In game you only find randoms that are different every time.

@Jaime_Protein_Cannister

3 ай бұрын

@@stanislavkimov2779 you can invite both friends and randoms , almost every game that is online has an online id system and it has been ther for the past 10 yrs or so yrs. In fact you steam shows your what your friends are playing , just message them... jesus I get invited by randoms all the time and invited to discords and so on , ive gone trough 10 or so groups of online only friends in the past 5yrs ... why do you blame the tools if you dont use them

@windwalker000

3 ай бұрын

@@Jaime_Protein_Cannister They're talking about making friends, not sticking to friends they already have. Also back then many people didn't play video games, let alone competitive ones, so there was a good chance that none of a gamer's friends played the same games. I can't tell if you're trolling or actually low-iq, but on average most people have a similar level of skill, so no, he probably didn't choose to play w/ the same people due to a lack of skill. You can deny all you want but matchmaking did kill the old "choose-your-server/lobby/room" experience, at least in the AAA world.

That is why I love Skyrim. There is no hurry and I can just run around and explore the open world 100x and every session is a new discovery

@DaraGaming42

28 күн бұрын

I play games for 3 reasons 1. To Relax 2. Experience a different world (Like Skyrim, Space games and Historical RPG) 3. to immerse myslf in a good story like Guardian’s of the Galaxy, Uncharted and Tomb Raider and COD campaighn) other than DOOM93 i NEVER play a game doe the challenge or to own players online or for a stream, fuck that. Online games…fine with close and thats it.

@mateigabriel3442

13 күн бұрын

yeah but skyrim in 2024 is a bit expired sh-t

@brandonvierra8177

13 күн бұрын

@@mateigabriel3442mods are there for a reason

@threeheadedsixarmed9620

3 сағат бұрын

@@mateigabriel3442 ?.... Have you seen the modding community for Skyrim? It's insane.

I really relate to this. I’m watching this at 2am, on a night shift. I’ve got a wife and kids, working rotating shift work. I really only have time to play on my days off after the kids have gone to sleep. Like, a handful of times a month. I literally don’t have time to even learn how to be a sweat. I’ve thought for a while now that streaming ruined gaming.

“People are so focused on finishing the game that they don’t play it.” - Fantastic quote man. I think this cut through to the core shift we’ve seen in people’s enjoyment of games.

@GEEK021

3 ай бұрын

Eft

@coldfries8976

2 ай бұрын

Man i really badly struggle with exact that... i start grinding a game an unhealthy amount until i achieved whatever i set myself out to. During the time i start to not enjoy it very quickly, and after i finish the task, i don't touch the game anymore and move on to the next game..

@samwitticaster

2 ай бұрын

@@coldfries8976you are not alone, I’ve experienced the same thing. Haven’t had it put into words as clearly as asmongold put it here before

@jeffmcintosh209

2 ай бұрын

​@@coldfries8976 I do this with games in a similar way. I start playing and love it and my brain goes into lets do it all!!!!. I have stopped this by playing then. Switching games every couple of weeks then going back again, it's helped me finish games and enjoy the whole playthrough

@ThraxJay

2 ай бұрын

@@coldfries8976games like Elden ring make unhealthy amounts of grinding worth it

"If you have fun and are enjoying it, you've already won." That is a GOLDEN take right there. That's the whole point of playing video games. Thank you for putting it so succinctly, my dude.

@jjay350

2 ай бұрын

Real gamers could always have fun gaming no matter how bad they were. Having fun had nothing to do with prowess.

@KeeperProtector

5 күн бұрын

Agreed! Video games are meant to be enjoyed & we're meant to have fun playing them.💯

I think the thing that kept games pretty level back in the day was that the skill gap was essentially limited to how good your aim was and your left, right and jump movement. (Think Halo 2/3) Now there are all these fancy mechanics like slide, sprint, clamber, lean, etc. Games should have casual playlists that limit all the extra stuff you can do and bring it back to the basics then add all the extra to ranked.

This was my epitome in league. Peaked diamond 1 during my college years. The people above that are literally just built different. I ended up having a family instead, I still play but mostly for fun. I float in emerald as that's where I can play and still have fun. Meta matters too much and the game becomes too sweaty to maintain the limits of your gameplay

I know people that burned themselves out in Helldivers and found the game boring after a couple hours because instead of just playing the game and having fun with friends... they had to look up the "most optimal exp farms", "fastest resource farms" etc. You gain nothing from rushing to the end as fast as possible and they ruined the game for themselves by doing so.

@atrane365

3 ай бұрын

meanwhile, farming in games like EDF or Borderlands is fun because it's set into the core game loop. I need to collect all the armor crates, because the Hectors kick my ass and even 10 more armor can help me survive another hit.

@JasonCohen99

3 ай бұрын

100% .. never understood looking build guides on a PvE game

@TheWhiteDragonEmperor

3 ай бұрын

those kind of people say the same thing about genshin. as soon as a new update drops, theylle be looking up farm routes, chest locations, etc, and beat it all in 2 or 3 days then precede to complain that the game has no content. like no shit dude

@burnziggydown

3 ай бұрын

Yeah and the devs thought of it so: automation defence FAILED.

@TacticalDimples

3 ай бұрын

@@TheWhiteDragonEmperor because the game has no content… it’s the same fucking boring end game loop that amounts to nothing because spiral abyss is east and boring as shit to do.

Corporate greed ruined gaming

@Theshawnusgames

3 ай бұрын

*everything

@hhaste

3 ай бұрын

It can be both

@Temperans

3 ай бұрын

Capitalism

@youngsuperknight_2k674

3 ай бұрын

As well

@1kbmahan

3 ай бұрын

Gaming isn’t ruined there’s like so many other games that are good. Just because Diablo an old franchise went down hill or Activision hates you. That’s not games in general.

Factor in hours played for SBMM. Someone who plays maybe 20 hours a month should not have to play against someone who plays 200 hours a month.

@aleksniewiecki6277

6 күн бұрын

U are the reason gaming sucks and sbmm exist

@aKEPsoul

6 күн бұрын

@@aleksniewiecki6277 sounds good to me.

@overcast2018

3 күн бұрын

​@@aleksniewiecki6277found the sweaty tryhard

Gaming got destroyed ever since u have a guideline for everything on the internet you have nothing to figure and discover.

@DaraGaming42

28 күн бұрын

But thats why i find it hard to get into Retro gaming , its not fun playing the same level for 3 hours

@TheFirehands150

11 күн бұрын

​@@DaraGaming42 It only takes you 3 hours because you are used to modern spoonfed era. We'd have to figure out things for ourselves or git gud. It was a good time for gaming back then. If you grew up with those games, it wouldn't take you 3 hours

That kid doing the backflip into that pose was amazing. The second flip even looked fake because of how perfect it was.

@ginger_jeezus

Ай бұрын

Was just about to say this. That emote is impressive irl

@authortimsousa9384

Ай бұрын

Hopefully, he doesn't break a hip or something doing it.

An overarching point that I think can be taken from this is that this situation isn’t just happening in gaming. It’s happening in life. Everything is becoming hyper competitive, and people are willing to forgo playing life for the fun and connection between one another for the egoic pursuit of being the best and winning at the expense of others. I do wonder if this is a direct consequence of all our online social platforms and its effect on society.

@belugasteel9700

3 ай бұрын

exactly my thought

@elmhurstenglish5938

3 ай бұрын

Yep, it's like social online platforms have amplified competition for place in social hierarchy. And being better than others at something gives you more points.

@AlanRedrew

3 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly. It's just a reflection. We want the most likes, the most dps, the most money...it's never ending.

@tonyvisente5286

3 ай бұрын

That's late stage capitalism for ya my dude

@taxibanderas

3 ай бұрын

u all wrong. its cause most people are ugly and can therefore not get a girlfriend so they think i just have to reach this or that and i can get it. but they dont realize they ugly anyway lmao.

When i was a kid i played this game called Gotham City Impostars a lot over one summer. I got very good at it to the point i reached 3rd place on the leaderboards for overall score. One day i stumbled upon the top 2, and they would sit under a map hazard that caused damage, and heal eachother for score. Thats when i realized some people arent in this for the fun, they are in it to be at the top, at any cost.

I would also like to add at 16:40 that many RTS games top X rank lists are usually filled with the same few dozen people. Half being smurfs. It's so stupid.

@BlackMageX15

10 күн бұрын

I see you've played StarCraft. Loading into a match with IIIIIIIIIIIII you know you're cooked lmao

Streamers ruin gaming when the majority of people just copy a streamer's gamestyle so you face 80% of the same builds or playstyles. That is my only major gripe with streaming popularity. Otherwise, the skill gap is about the same in my experience.

@Isythos

3 ай бұрын

Yeah and this happened like years before Fortnite. I remember seeing the change in league when it first came out. And it became more and more toxic because of it.

@KrasszTV

3 ай бұрын

Gaming has definitely gotten a lot more competitive or "tryhard" over time, though. I think Twitch and Esports popularity has pushed that along since a lot of people want to be pro or "famous" gamers/streamers and I feel that games definitely used to be a lot more about just playing them when I was a lot younger. You always had that competitive community there, but it feels like that is the majority of players these days. There's also a lot more information online about games that is easy to find, especially with KZread being what it is and tons of websites dedicated to theorycrafting, builds, or whatever else and that easy access to information will only bring the average skill level up. When I started playing WoW as a kid, I pretty much remember thottbot and that was about it. If you've played WoW since the start, I think you can see a clear evolution of how people used to play games and the direction it headed in afterwards, because it didn't just apply to WoW, but to games as a whole. I might seem like some old boomer ranting, but I've also been through that phase when I was sweating WoW PvP every day with no job back in Cata until BFA so I understand it.

@Kratos-eg7ez

3 ай бұрын

Uh you do know the majority of people don't watch streamers right? Also, strategy guides were a thing way before streaming was really that popular. The reason why you see the same builds, is usually because that's the most powerful. What, you think the majority of people are going to intentionally handicap themselves just so you have a different opponent to fight? No. Obviously streamers might have an impact in making a certain build more popular, but that's not really because of the streamers, it's because players use that build and then other players get rekt by it, so then those players use that build and so on. Same goes with strategies, let's say a streamer finds a super op spot to camp in tarkov. Well players will copy that, and then other players are going to copy them. If you take streamers completely out of the occasion it will still happen because of strategy guides, and if you take strategy guides out of the occasion it will still happen just a bit slower because players can only find it out from other players or their friends. And this is all assuming the person doesn't find out about it themselves, because almost every person who played elden ring instantly realized how powerful bleed, dex, faith, and magic are, it didn't take streamers or strategy guides it's just obvious, unless the player didn't interact with those builds at all.

@Cumfortable

3 ай бұрын

people meta copy pasting isn't the problem. even meta builds have their weak points, and can be exploited. especially if enough people adopt an anti-meta build/style/etc. the problem is when the gap between all possible meta potentials is so great that anti-meta builds cannot balance the scale. that^ is when competitive integrity is diminished. i've lived through enough games/genres over years and been part of meta shifts (caused like 2...which is nothing), to know copying meta builds isn't the problem at the core. because if meta builds have the potential to be checked, players can hold the potential to balance the "meta". there's a huge responsibility on the rule makers (devs/studios) to be careful when balancing mechanics/data and/or introducing new variables into a game (assuming its competitive).

@alex62965

3 ай бұрын

It's just human nature to follow like sheep, safer as a group as the outsiders died.

The reason games like WoW Classic wasn't as fun as it was when it released is the fact there are all kinds of step by step guides, addons, and videos all over the internet about it before it was even re-released. What's the fun in it when there is a few meta builds and you're trash if you don't follow one of those builds.

@troybilko

3 ай бұрын

That and if you don’t follow the meta, you’re trash and consider uninstalling and good luck getting into guilds that are gate kept by try hards going for dps meters and congratulations player base, you played yourself

@LikelyForgiven

3 ай бұрын

Wow was always this way since 2005 if you wanted to push mc and beyond. Eg. If you wanted to Seal of wisdom 1h as paladin, or literally anything besides cleansebot from the back it meant insta-ban. Pure balls.

@Pistaa13

3 ай бұрын

Just dont use it and it will be fun for you. This is simple. I didnt use any guid and i was so bad but i had a very good time. I use guides in retail (sometimes) if im trying t olearn something faster but thats all.

@Sunless1337

3 ай бұрын

@@troybilkoI'm one of the players who goes for min-maxing dps and such, but never supported trying to impose it on anyone else. I enjoy playing min-max in games like WoW, but only for myself, because I like to learn classes/weapon classes/whatever it is in games to their fullest. Only ever looked for fun guilds that were competent enough to kill bosses and willing to learn how to. Ran into that elitism in SoD and it was frustrating/sad to see how crazy people were about nonfunctional gearscore addons, having BiS, etc. when the last several weeks was just everyone summoning Yetis to clear the raids for themselves in P1. xD

@troybilko

3 ай бұрын

@@Sunless1337 ruined my wow classic experience. It just snowballed out of control with all the bots farming the materials you would need to keep up with the parses and from there, the toxic player base was too much. Classic became a 4/10 experience because the majority of the player base bought into the meta. I had guild mates telling me how good bots were for the market

The problem with streaming and i guess shorts/ticktok culture in general is the reliance on continuous content for engagement. Since streamers rely on constant content stream for an income, they need games to be constantly updated and fresh with basically no time for boredom to keep viewers engaged, and if a game didnt meet these criteria, they could leverage their influence to disparage the game. This leads to devs having to facilitate this, often at the expense of the core experience or their game is skipped over by content creators and lost in the churn

This happened to me with WoW, when I first started playing soon after it came out, you could easily find a group of people around any town/level to just have fun and quest/grind levels with for hours while taking quick breaks in town, came back 5-6 years later and now everyone just wants to plow through everything as fast as possible, not enjoyable to me at all. I feel I already go through things pretty quickly, going any faster and it kind of feels like what's the point, can't enjoy anything.

Honestly? Yeah. Not just streamers but social media in general, feels like everyone is sweaty nowadays because doing well or having a cracked account is a status symbol. Back in the day you could only show off to a handful of nerds in your friend group, but now you can show off to hundreds or potentially thousands of people depending on the platform.

@scales8768

3 ай бұрын

Yup, when I got back to LOL for a two years period, I was amazed by the level of toxicity players had on playing the game as if their lives depended on it. I tried my best to talk about enjoyment in game (as the name suggest: game) but yeah, for many of these people, it was either hardcore escapism, a way of proving themselves they're worth something or hardcore gridding in hope of getting a job in the field which would be way better than any bs job this world has to offer.

@davidreiser9663

3 ай бұрын

Social media has tainted everything.

@Goremize

3 ай бұрын

I would so love to go back to the world we used to live in before Social media.

@Zagskrag

3 ай бұрын

Social media also exposes people to a constant stream of the top players showing off to them. It's hard to just be happy with your own meager results while being showered in reminders of what those at the top can achieve.

@FluffySylveonBoi

3 ай бұрын

What does sweating mean aside from the perspiration?

I think the most fun part of a multi-player game is like the first tens of hours between friends when you all have started at the same time. It's what I missed about local multi-player games that don't exsits anymore.

@elmhurstenglish5938

3 ай бұрын

Ye, and I don't think this experience is exclusive to videogames. Any sport or activity irl you play with friends feels good and casual.....but, you start playing against people outside of your friends and suddenly it's a real competition. Same as going to an arcade, whether it's videogames, bowling, air hockey etc.

@Azem4144

3 ай бұрын

Which was the reason why I like Helldivers 1. It was a non-party PS4 game that I could play with my friends locally.

@vulcanz1327

3 ай бұрын

So true that's y I hv been trying to find PPL to play terraria modded with who haven't played it before but no luck

@stewskeys

3 ай бұрын

this is exactly what i absolutely loved about Destiny when it first launched. it was such an amazing time to be at the very beginning of what would be an amazing franchise for the next 5yrs.. my best friend and i that met on mw2 reunited after not playing together for a year and damn.. it was so fun grinding strikes and playing crucible back then

@itspinkay6875

3 ай бұрын

​@@vulcanz1327I'd be down. Haven't played much Terraria since I played on Xbox with my brother years ago, never touched mods for it.

Yeah I definitely agree with the fall guys thing, I was enjoying fall guys up until I figured out that some people take it super seriously. The last level is usually the hex a gone map where you have to stand on the hexagons that disappear after a second or two, and the meta is to just stand on 1 square as long as possible until it disappears and then hop to the next square and do the same thing, where as me and everyone else were just running around like idiots. It made wins nearly impossible unless you did the same thing. That one thing just sucked the fun out of it for me. I originally really enjoyed it because I thought it was just a pure fun non sweaty game where you guys raced and you had a decent shot at actually winning.

Bro the most hilarious part of this video he doesn't know what a Super Nintendo is

Using grenades/grenade launchers/rocket launchers/explosives and shotguns of any kind against sweats in fps games is incredibly hilarious

@Subsistence69

3 ай бұрын

Sweats when you start using a loadout for fun: 🤬🤬🤬

@kaufmanat1

3 ай бұрын

What are sweats?

@connermcmahan5528

3 ай бұрын

It’s the best. COD mw fast swapping to RPGs was the best

@Yeti_StrainofSR

3 ай бұрын

Tonfas and riot shield ftw 😂

@Frost.x7x

3 ай бұрын

Yea except in destiny 2 you have to kill them to get heavy ammo just to use a rocket launcher… and you get 1 single rocket. If you’re lucky you’ll hit someone before you die… I love the game, but cannot play PvP.. it’s just stupid. The PvE is incredible though

Sweaty players are one of the reasons I stopped playing most online competitive games. I stick to mostly co-op shooters, RPGs, some survival games now

@kyser2097

3 ай бұрын

Competitive game are meant to sweat tho, thats in the name.

@Hasan-hm5fy

3 ай бұрын

@@kyser2097he prob means the casual modes of those kinda games.

@GoalOrientedLifting

3 ай бұрын

​@@kyser2097 competitive games are played like they're on rails. There is close to no off meta plays or variation.

@hypnopump

3 ай бұрын

@@GoalOrientedLifting yeah its just sheep trying to fit in their favorite streamers builds and see if they look cool doing the same thing

@kyser2097

3 ай бұрын

@@GoalOrientedLifting not in my games, its full of crackheads on redbull yes but you dont need to play meta to win

Skill based matchmaking could be made pretty good by each player getting a score card or stat sheet and having an algorithm compare your stat sheet to other players while also considering how many players are available. If you're within say 80% of another players score card then the system puts you together and the longer it takes to have a full game the allowed % gets bigger.

That's something I've been loving about Palworld. The map is huge, all the monsters are kinda wild, and the exploration is intense. The journals and lore are way more in depth than I was expecting

It's not just online. KZreadrs have had a massive impact on some games. They are playing a game for a living 12 to 16 hrs a day and are obviously far better than the rest of the people playing that game. They then complain that the game is too easy and needs to be made more difficult, which affects the average gamer who ironically had paid for the game unlike the stranger or upriver who had probably been gifted the code/game from the publisher.

@bartolirodrigo94

3 ай бұрын

Precisely, I've seen trashy games be hyped for no good reason, and good games die pretty much because of streamers.

@cordovalark5295

3 ай бұрын

Prime example: Destiny 2. Streamers have destroyed that game and now Bungie is circling the drain all the while the streamers who rely on said game for their financial livelihood are trying to deflect blame, even going as far as blaming the casual players. Which is why they really dislike games like Palworld, and Helldivers 2.

@figlego

3 ай бұрын

I've also seen the reverse. Terrible players complaining about games being too hard and then the game is made to be baby difficulty. The solution is have a party mode and a serious mode.

@chaosdisc

3 ай бұрын

@@cordovalark5295Been saying this for years, kept saying it after I came back for lightfall and then left right after. The amount of times I have seen videos/stream from aztec and the like blaming the majority player base is ridiculous.

@coldchillin8382

3 ай бұрын

@@cordovalark5295to be a casual player in Destiny 2. I just like the bow

I’m 43, I’m a Dad, and I totally understand your ego point. I loved Dave the Diver last year. Pick it up, play, walk away. Any survivors games. Gold to me.

@metallboy25

2 ай бұрын

I played Valheim on a solo world recently. It was a nice chill experience.

I loved playing pvp in the earlier days but now I only exclusively play pve and other single player games as it is so annoying to have to sweat every game.

Great take at 30:00 mark. It does happen this way with age, example for myself would be when I was heavy into GTA RP the 15-17 year olds were creating the dialogues of the entire server. At the time I was trying my best to keep up. Streaming late at night after work going to bed at 4am and the young guy used to say “Hit me when you get off work bro” made me realize where I was in life lol

Can't even play Apex Legends casually. Without taking a course on movement/momentum.

@Pr0fila

3 ай бұрын

to be fair, thats in large parts because of sbmm and the nonsensical matchmaking rules. Like one win every 10 games or the first game every day has to be good to keep you playing

@RJA

3 ай бұрын

I like the fact apex has a high skill ceiling for movement. Problem is the top strict sbmm for non ranked games.

@butitwasmedio

3 ай бұрын

@@Pr0fila ohh so that's the secret, I never even get to 10 games per session cuz I get tired of dying at the last 3 teams and then immediately get in a lobby of sweats who kill me within the first 5 minutes

@hotrodhunk7389

3 ай бұрын

This was my experience playing with my brother and his friend. They won't even get in fights they just wanted to win the Battle Royale... And then if we did get in fights I had zero experience so of course we lose. I'd get so bored I just run into the enemy on purpose. They'd get so mad 😂😂😂

@pepperextr3me605

3 ай бұрын

@@butitwasmedioyeah I never win

This is exactly why Halo 2 & 3 ranking system of 1 - 50 is Goated. It separated the casual players/noobs and the competitive/experienced players. It was perfect.

@hiramabiff604

3 ай бұрын

Still think it wasn't incredibly difficult to get 50 in Halo. The skill ceiling has definitely increased to unthinkable levels. With Onxy ratings in Infinite really coming down to ping difference. It's unbearable and caused me to stop playing ranked in Halo (The only game I've ever enjoyed rank on)

@robertmosley1188

3 ай бұрын

Rank 50 halo 3 was easy. Equivalent rank in halo 2 was about 30-35. Rank 40+ in halo 2 was godly or cheater

@DPH_Psychosis

3 ай бұрын

No one above 40ish in Halo 2 got it legitimately. Certainly not the symbol ranks. Between standby and softmods on the map pack, yeah no lol. My friends and I would get around 35-40, and then just use grenades to blow ourselves up over and over in games to down rank back to the teens to start over. Smurfing basically but the same account. There was no point playing in the higher ranks unless you also had a cheater on your side, and hope he gets host by having faster internet.

@siebzTV

3 ай бұрын

​@@DPH_Psychosis those bloody halo 2 cheaters it was disgusting loading into a game stuck in some object and getting killed and losing my 40 rank over and over **** those guys

@McGrunty

3 ай бұрын

@@DPH_Psychosis I managed to get comet rank for a fleeting moment, then quickly deranked back down lol. Win 20 games in a row, lose one and rank down, but it was a perfect ranking system. Back in my gaming prime haha. I feel like I'm worse at video games in my older age as well. I was 16-17 for halo 2 I'm 36 now, feels bad haha.

This also applies to card games as well like magic your gathering. Before the cards are even available the top decks and meta are fairly well defined . You can play 10 rounds and only play against 1-2 decks. It may not be as bad as esport gaming but it has ruined card games a bit.

The issue with ssbm is that they don't quantify skill appropriately so you actually just get thrown back and forth between trash and try hard lobbies and you rarely get actual same skilled matchups..

Play offline games and all problems are gone.

@justinb8297

3 ай бұрын

And stay off your phone

@nushia7192

3 ай бұрын

​@@justinb8297 you better calm down. If you are too salty about this, trying to be better at a game is actually a good thing.

@ocmulgeeog

3 ай бұрын

I love slapjack

@Judokast36

3 ай бұрын

Single player solves every problem mentioned here. I never understood the need to chase something that mean nothing. Play for yourself and just to have fun and every problem mentioned in this video goes away.

@Discount_blackbeard

3 ай бұрын

​@@nushia7192why you trying to try hard the comments

This is why I’m excited for single player games. I’ll play war zone here and their but with all the cheating and try hards I never want to play an online multiplayer game

@Pistaa13

3 ай бұрын

The problem with warzone is that they sell the bullshit multiplayer every year and they made it in a way that you need to grind the multi for weapon attachments because there is soo big gap between the ground loot and the loadout weapons.

@t0nje

3 ай бұрын

The problem is you, you will believe anyone is a tryhard thats better than you.

@jaquesesmiley5465

3 ай бұрын

Wow so mad. I see the real problem. And it’s not me 😌

@NPCSpotter

3 ай бұрын

@@jaquesesmiley5465Yes you are the problem. People who complain about tryhards are man children or losers irl. They treat gaming as a form of escapism and want to at least be a winner in a virtual world, since they aren’t a winner in the real world. So when they’re getting sh*t on by someone better than them, they don’t get their dopamine hit and they get angry and frustrated. Calling the better person a cheater whether or not they’re cheating, or a tryhard

@jaquesesmiley5465

3 ай бұрын

@@NPCSpotter oh I guess your right then. Sorry we don’t agree what perceive as fun. Atleast I don’t waste my time on a game that isn’t fun to me. So again I’m not the problem you might be.

People who are good at games get angry at skill based matchmaking because what they do to casuals starts happening to them. They make content all day about sh**ing on people because they are so competitive, but the moment the game actually becomes a real competition they don't like it anymore.

Anybody remember Halo 2 matchmaking. I could only get up to rank 52 since it was broken. You could win 15 games in a row and not rank up to 53 but if you lose one game right back to level 51. Halo 2 ranked set the standard for INSANE matchmaking.

I have pretty much given up on PvP games. I dont have a lot of time to play and i dont want to spend that time being destroyed by people with a lot more time

@TheMeanArena

3 ай бұрын

Which brings me to the Souls games. My favorite games of all time but I cannot stand the PVP aspect. Never been a fan of MP games in general.

@sethiddings7293

3 ай бұрын

@@TheMeanArenaSouls games are fun sweaty. Not easy but it's not like multiplayer sweat, because the game doesn't get harder if you're not playing. Take a month off you're not years behind.

@dylanhawthorne4842

3 ай бұрын

@@sethiddings7293I feel like that isn’t a great argument. Most games don’t have a massive dedicated player base solely playing that game. At most it might be like 1/4th of the player base is dedicated to the game. Most of the other players are like you and me. Dropping out for a while and revisiting, playing in limited time, playing multiple games at once, etc. I would be curious if you are a console player playing cross platform games? I feel like this was one big realization once I swapped to PC was how much better the floor of my gameplay became. It didn’t feel like I was constantly competing with people who held a significant advantage over me. Keyboard and mouse at least made it feel like the playing field was more level.

@LunnarisLP

3 ай бұрын

I dont understand the idea behind that thinking. If you play ranked or even normal games in e.g. Valorant, League, Dota and so on you will always get matched against other players of similar skill level. Sure sometimes an annoying smurf will be in there, but honestly they existed way before twitch became really big and generally speaking the matchmaking does work decently well, so if you get destroyed you should be deranking into some area where you win/lose around 50% of your games. Of course these things dont apply to all games equally well like for Battle Arenas and so on its hard to have good matchmaking, but generally speaking for most big PvP games they work decent. So yeah I feel like you should likely be matched against the majority of humans who are just relatively casual players as well, thus you shouldnt really get destroyed, again broadly speaking about big popular games.

@kaufmanat1

3 ай бұрын

It's just not that fun playing with people I don't know. I might as well be playing against bots. I don't get anything out of it except it raises the competition, but it's not really all that fun.

I was playing Sea of Thieves and ran into a ship that had a younger kid on it. He kept asking if we were doing some 24-hour challenge, or some other challenge and we kept trying to tell him we're just...playing the game? I'm definitely one of those busy adults that just likes to enjoy a fun game. I love a select few pvp games but I also find it really intimidating. When I run into friendly people it's great, but I'm not a fan of that 'gotta beat everyone' guy energy.

@iiPotatoes

3 ай бұрын

What's wrong with that kid doing a challenge? Just because you were doing something different doesn't make what they were doing bad.

@davidmoak1219

3 ай бұрын

​@@iiPotatoes Maybe get some social skills fam. That's awkward as fuck. Really unsure how you got THAT out of that post. It was pretty mundane mentioning how some people are confused that other people like to just play the game and dink around. It's really not rocket science. Guess that's a difficult concept for some people, so much it makes their teenage-college kid brain go full angst.

@DrPlonk

3 ай бұрын

​​@iiPotatoes mate.. you need to work on your reading comprehension

@Jaime_Protein_Cannister

3 ай бұрын

@@davidmoak1219 the kid was looking for an excuse to connect , being in on the same challange makes you alike/relatable. 24h challange in itself is irrelevant Unironically the "Them kids and them 4rtnite dances" take Stop being old and out of touch

@iiPotatoes

3 ай бұрын

@@DrPlonk I took it as the kid was doing a challenge and was asking if this dude was doing so as well. However it is still implied that the kid asking that is doing something wrong.

dude how does he say skill based matchmaking is unfair without realizing the irony lol

I remember when i picked up the division 2, i had this build that i created because i "read" what the set bonuses were and i can do math. And others were like oh you saw so n so's video for that build. Its so dumb when you can do something on your own and immediately get disregarded because a "streamer" put it up.

Monetization and Grinding has also killed off casual gaming.

@kaitanaroyr

3 ай бұрын

the amount of daily weekly month grinds for a game these days cant invest time playing something else for fun

@JohnHurt-ym5jq

3 ай бұрын

what bro? you tellin me you dont like BATTLE PASSES? they add so much fun though

@Marky-Mark1337

3 ай бұрын

​@@JohnHurt-ym5jq no. Battle pass is pay to grind. I quite RDR2 online because of missing out on something. Technically it's was a reason for me to stay.

@myfakeaccount4523

3 ай бұрын

Grinding is not as bad if you have satisfying rewards for your efforts.

@Dfleckt

3 ай бұрын

nope, u dont need grind if theres no meta force u to

The exact reason I stopped the competitive games, and got into Souls-like games. Both the sectors provide challenges. But beating the challenge in those offline games feels way better than in PvP.

@TheMachine3165

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, for me beating a boss in a soulslike actually feels rewarding and I know I got better, beating a sweaty player in an online game just feels exhausting.

@scoper7897

3 ай бұрын

easy solution = Smurf

@Cheesieburgie

3 ай бұрын

Oh absolutely. I pretty much gave up on pvp gaming and more or less only play FFXIV and Monster Hunter now lmao

@Johnsmithhjoe

3 ай бұрын

@@TheMachine3165 beating a boss that was designed to be beaten Stop pretending and lying to yourselves. The reason you guys choose SP games over MP pvp is purely skill issue.

@knightsouls

3 ай бұрын

While they're a lot of fun in the short term, the multiplayer stuff is a bit soulless, you, mostly, either win 30 matches in a row or you lose and get annoyed. Wining just becomes meaningless and there's only a reaction when you lose.

Man so glad when I was in school during your most impressionable years we just talked about the games themselves, there were no streamers. No youtube, no twitch.

solo doesn't matters skill gap , where it bugs me a lot is team skill gap losing cuz you've been match with some players who just start the game and playing against a well balance team piss me off a good example of this is rank matches in overwatch 2

what ruined it for me was, me trying to get into a new world dungeon ive done 100 times, and i get rejected bc im not using meta.

@Fiffelito

3 ай бұрын

Warning: ESSAY incoming. problem what we have here is two-fold; by not using meta or a close approximation to it you either A: Can't carry your own weight (which is valid if the build you had was really trash which I doubt) or B: People value their time, just because you've done it "100 times" doesn't mean anything when you are about to join a group that wants to get it done now before the missus starts complaining or the kids needs help with homework. Something that would take 10-15 minutes shouldn't take close to an hour, that's inexcusable. Now you'd think those numbers are an exaggeration but I play a lot of division 2 and I see horrible builds every single day doing legendary missions that SHOULD take 15 minutes tops. 3 dps, 1 healer or CC (CC being prefered here since rooted enemies don't shoot back and doesn't take cover so they are easier and quicker to kill). We could argue what "reasonable extra time" to clear a legendary mission would be acceptible... half an hour instead of 15 minutes? sure... but when we're closing in on 45 minutes - 3 times the "normal" time (not even a speed run time mind you).... then you start to hear some muttering. Then after a while people just invite and instant kick or invite, ask if you have a dps or a cc build and then if not kick. But that takes time and finally people stop inviting randoms or matchmake totally because what's the point in filtering out trash for an hour when you could just carry some sorry sob through the mission during that time. Then people start doing them in duos or solo in less than 30 minutes, regulary so no need to even group up any more. Now it's one thing to not have everything super duper maxed out and another thing to have something equipped that says "I sneezed and clicked at the same time and now this is what I wear", if you show signs of actually trying to follow a cookie cutter meta build (which to be honest isn't a dergatory but rather a baseline to follow) people tend to be more friendly and let you in a group even if it takes longer time. But then we have to consider C When asked if you had build X, did you get defensive or were you apologetic or even worse dead silent/afk? Because what we see here is only your side of the argument. So TL:DR I think it's a mix between B and C that got you rejected.

@kacecrimson8297

3 ай бұрын

I mean you don't deserve to play with them. There is no reason for them to take a chance XD.

@AMolinaLamatta

3 ай бұрын

yeah haters gonna hate, they don't respect other people's builds anymore because meta is all they can think of

@Fiffelito

3 ай бұрын

@@AMolinaLamatta yeah call it "haters" for not wanting to waste an inappropriate time doing some mission/dungeon/raid you already have on farm status because someone wants to be an unique and beautiful snowflake that drags the team down. Try your builds on your own time and with friends, when joining randoms it's usually a crap show, when joining a group "LF1M" try to atleast put some effort into your build because no matter what you're going to be judged and if you get argumentative or snarky you will get the boot. not because the other people didn't respect your build, but that you didn't respect their time -AND your own build. META isn't a BAD thing, it is striving for perfection, that smooth quick run, adding people to friends lists, playing with them regularly breezing through easy content and working as a team in harder.... If you don't want to be a cog in that group dynamic you can be a circle, square or whatever on your own or with likeminded. NOONE is forcing you apart from you yourself and your inability to make friends in online games. But yeah, it's much easier to call it "haters" ...

@judgedrekk2981

3 ай бұрын

@@AMolinaLamatta then when you're with friends and meta morons try to join or start their trash boot m.....do to tham what they do to you but at least say why as you do it, "we're booting you cus we respect individual loadouts and you don't!"

The main issue with ranked mode games is that they want to incentivise grinding and just playing the game more. This is a way they can sell more skins afterall... The result is that smurfs can hang out forever in low ranks just by throwing occasionally.

@StevenCarusone

3 ай бұрын

Dude... the hardest rank in every game is the bottom rank. Just riddddddled with rank tanking smurfs.

@user-sj9qf3xm7q

3 ай бұрын

what kind of games do you play where you think thats the case? and even if, most games have performance based rating so literally just play better and it doesnt matter if you have smurfs in a lot of your games

@sophistry-wv1ez

3 ай бұрын

you're being dishonest and that's pretty shitty of you. you have to throw 50% of games to stay in the same rank. how is that "occasionally" throwing?

@halycon404

3 ай бұрын

@@user-sj9qf3xm7q It's not the smurfs smurfing. It's the smurfs actively throwing to maintain that low rank. At the absolute worst of the worst bottom barrel newest of the new player level of matchmaking... most games actively try to push people out of that rank. It's supposed to just be there for a few games so people can figure out basic mechanics of what's going on. "Let's just play a game and see if we can pick this up.". The bottom rank is supposed to be for that. People have to actively throw to stay there, they have to tank their account hard. They do it to offset the video clipshow of them getting 100kills in a single match when they are playing against people at that level. For that one performance and stay at that rank they have to throw multiple games ruining things for everyone. But that's the worst lowest rank. In general ranking ladders are shaped like bell curves. If a game has 5 then ranks 3 is going to have the largest population of people. Games that report population ranks show this. The rank right in the middle is always the biggest. So if a rank 5 player wants to smurf on rank 3s hard they're going to have the same problem I just explained. To win that hard every now and again to show how awesome they are for the content they have to throw a couple games too. It's not as bad for the number they have to throw for the bottom rank 1. But they still have to actively play badly in 2-3 games for that performance and not get promoted out of rank 3. And if you play a game enough you can tell. Oddly, something similar happens at the absolute top end of competitive games. An example of that is LoL. Which I haven't played in years but it was in the gaming news. If someone wants rank 1 in Challenger... which is the highest level of play... the only way to get there is Win Trading. Players conspire to be on opposite teams for a match and then one of them actively plays badly on purpose to boost the win rate of the other player. How bad is it? Last year the top spot on every single server was a known Win Trader... which is why it was in the news. Anyone in the top 10 for a region got there because someone else actively sandbagged. Games are more likely to be ruined by sandbaggers actively trying to lose than smurfs. At the low or the high end.

@Jaime_Protein_Cannister

3 ай бұрын

Thats human nature , accept the fact that most players are willing to put in more effort and even more so kids specifically are obsessed with games and have the time to do so. Without ranked you will never find a fair game , because almost everyone else is interested in gaming more than you If youre playing for fun result of the game shouldnt matter Loosing is fun , take rimworld as an example

I struggle with this a bit. I know everyone has their own way but I struggle to fully understand casual gaming on the level you describe. I do fall into the ttv category but I don't sweat more because of that. It's more the other way around that I ttv because I sweat. Fall guys was mentioned and about how it was sweaty to find the best path. I would do this regardless as well because the fun (to me) is figuring our how things work. TBF, I am a bit sweaty and I have done competitive but comp is just a "skill test" to me and not very fun. And while I might sweat, I taper my gameplay to the skill of my opponent because I don't like being leagues above; I'd rather try to teach really inexperienced players so that the player base grows instead of shrinks. However, I understand that there IS a large player base that all say this and talk about how casual isn't a thing. The argument is valid but I also believe the SBMM is the answer to this in games that do not have a ranked mode. Just putting out a slightly different perspective from someone who has never been able to casual game.

I just don't play ranked anymore and have a blast in casual. Seriously grinding the ladder has gotten so old to me.

I've seen a lot of Iron/bronce ranked players in LoL getting grilled by smurfs ''venting the stress'' after they lose in their own rank.

@ienztine

3 ай бұрын

I play Fortnite with my friends from time to time and I hop in a ranked builds game and the person was better than everyone in the lobby pretty much combined the Smurfs being mad they lost in their higher ranked lobby’s is happening more often than it needs to and yet the companies do just about nothing to smurfs.

@scales8768

3 ай бұрын

Haha yeah, every Challenger players I can watch says Master/Gransmaster Elo is the most toxic place you can think off. But when they are Challenger, all of the sudden everyone is polite and chill. It's the grinding system, and society is no different.

@urekmazino3509

3 ай бұрын

In my Diamond games most of the time when there is a Smurf that is 15-0 we just FR or the team just starts running it down so it can end if other people won’t do 😂

@csguy3223

3 ай бұрын

low ranked matches are hell because of those smurfs. You get a smurf on the enemy team like 6 games in a row and suddenly you’re fighting to not get demoted.

@coachtugnut126

3 ай бұрын

You even see type stuff in ESO below level 50 bgs. I've seen players go 40-0 the highest I've seen was 62-0. Insane

So a couple of years ago Darts was something losers and drunks played in the pub. Suddenly it started blowing up to such degrees that it has full tv coverage in several European countries. Pubs saw their laddercompetitions grow and flourish. And we saw the same there. I play in a league, lowest of the lowest lvl. I go in there just to have fun, meet new people and throw a dart or 2 while doing so. Then you have the sweats who think they have a shot at becoming world champion. Ladder went from 40 people to 70, back to 45. No casual player remains. The pub team that existed was free to join. You did have to commit to a certain schedule but other than that it was just a night out with the boys drinking and playing darts. Now you have to go through trials, hit a certain lvl and even then you are not sure of your place. The team existed for years, it's dead now. Fights between teammembers, differences in ambitions,... It's dead. It's not something exclusive to gaming. When there is something to win, a small chance that what you like doing as a hobby could become your job many start thinking they actually could.

@drewmcdonald4082

2 ай бұрын

It's like bowling, as a kid it was a common activity with friends, now any bowling alley has mostly "league only" nights

@jjay350

2 ай бұрын

Sweaty tryhards can take any fun recreational activity and make it annoying.

The most fun you can have in a game is the first week of its release. No meta, maps are unknown, people are learning the game together. After the initial first week the games become try hard, metas get formed, people mathematically document each ability to know the specific damage schematics, it really kills the games when people turn it into their job to study the game like its a standardized test.

It wasnt until I stopped chasing efficiency that I began enjoying gaming again

The tryharding is also making the cheating problem worse if you think about who actually ends up downloading cheats.

@GothamCityStills

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

@metallboy25

2 ай бұрын

"Who actually ends up downloading cheats." The people who are upset that others are better at the game than them. 😂

@luislongoria6621

Ай бұрын

How many mods are you running in Fallout? Sounds kind of meta to me. Mods just work better in PvE where it's supported

As a 25 year old now, I can say that playing video games back in the day in like felt more like a social thing. I don’t think I ever played games without either someone else at my house with a second controller, or online lobbies. Today, it feels almost like a hassle to set up games with your friends

@jbjoker18

3 ай бұрын

im 31 , and dude games back in the day was so much more fun , try hards were a thing or "campers" were a thing , now its all set up for campers and playing in a cheesy ass way ,

@a-animal1206

3 ай бұрын

​@@jbjoker18it's these new generation kids it's really bad and getting worse ... Hired a kid the other day couldn't run a shovel

@Gaminguserinsession

3 күн бұрын

I’m 19, grew up playing gears, dragon age, halo and some final fantasy games, best times in my life

I like big team games that are strategy focused for this reason like Hell Let Loose. More emphasis on teamwork as well.

Hey asmond i love your content and have been watching you on twitch for years i just recently found you on KZread keep up the good vids bro

"Joining a lobby that continuosly rolls through matches/maps/gamr modes and being able to join/leave when you want to." Thats a blast from the past. It was so good.

@qu1253

Ай бұрын

I genuinely don't get why this stopped being a thing in multiplayer games. When I played COD on the Xbox 360 in high school, I'd stay in the same lobbies for hours, forming friendships and rivalries and just generally having a good time. Now, lobbies automatically disband after the match is over, so unless you friend request all those people, you'll never see them again.

I'm going to show my age here, but this isn't new at all. I used to play cs 1.3-1.6 with friends and the guys we ran into were all league players who were sweaty. If we ran into people who couldn't bhop all over the map and quickscope accurately and if they didn't know all the proper smokes and pop flashes etc. they stood no chance. If anyone is old like me you'll remember cal, the ranks in cal for teams were open/intermediate/main/premier/invite. Even the decent cal-o teams would have mandatory practice 5+ days a week. This was nearly 20 years ago at this point. Players have been sweaty forever, thinking fortnite started it is because you were at the right age at that time and you think everyone was bad before then, and you are wrong.

@patrikules1937

3 ай бұрын

Very true. People that play games based on how an over exaggerated streamer and then wonder why they aren't having fun or aren't as good... It's like copying someone's homework. Learn nothing and doesn't prep you.

@Dawnsnacker

3 ай бұрын

I remember giving up on competitive cs after loosing a local tournament to a clan that had custom keyboards/shirts/cap and mouses 😂 Our strat was crappy and all but i remember me and guys going "yeah f this lol i prefer enjoying the game than doing tournaments and becoming like those guys" 😂😂 its been a while maybe 20yrs but it was such an eye opener

@mtxumi

3 ай бұрын

also a lot of people cope by saying anyone that beat them is a tryhard w no life

@robulusmaximus

3 ай бұрын

yeah bro, cs was a sweatfest as well back then, first time i heard about clans and going pro in an e-sport. Also don't forget Warcraft 3 and Starcraft. There's a reason LoL came from a Warcraft Mod.

@hussle2654

3 ай бұрын

Hah this is accurate. I was a hardcore sweat in Quake 2 back in the day, still play GTA and love hunting griefers. There's just more people online nowadays and it's more accessible, used be that you couldn't even play MP games competitively unless you had access to a T1 line, which I had at work back in '98

Isn’t your comment on just playing the game the context to the movie ready player one?

This may be why I like playing games which have a "roster" that you unlock for free as well as a meta way to play. Meta chasing feels rewarding when you see how OP you can be, but sometimes I just need to cool off and mess around with cool looking off-meta characters

What ruins online gaming for me is losing my skill I used to have. Life drained my skills as I stepped away from games and it genuinely makes me frustrated.

@danielblackburn9012

3 ай бұрын

Bro just to let you know, you are probably not any worse than what you used to be bruddah I promise. Its just that the generations that inhabit video games are much more prone to cheating and don't care if its them actually doing things. I promise you bro the statistic is literally like 1 in 3 people are cheating.

@universesixhit642

3 ай бұрын

Not as many hours to dedicate to something BUT you can still be extremely good if you put the work in if limited.

@GH0ST_CLIPZ

3 ай бұрын

I can relate lol. Hey at least you can say you’re living your life. To me that’s what matters

@apaxtoa

3 ай бұрын

I used to feel the same way cause when i was younger some of my selfworth was tied up to how good i was at games. Left that behind me and now i'm okay having a good life and mediocre gaming skills.

@daeryk6424

3 ай бұрын

I just moved on to making art mostly. Not because of *online* gaming, but just naturally wantin' to do somethin' else.

From the perspective of me: Diablo 2 player. People, generally, are hyperfocused on 'result' of the game, instead of enjoying the experience. People rush through 99% of the content to 'farm' stuff to ... i don't know - to rush through again?

@-Snakekiller-

3 ай бұрын

oh yeah..that's so true! I have often had this discussion too. For me it's still (after 30 years of gaming) about the experience IN THE games, not about achieving any goal. My goal is to experience not to achieve anything!

@EsphemeralWind

3 ай бұрын

some (most) people just wanna be better than others (or better than most average) quickly.

@LikelyForgiven

3 ай бұрын

Yup single player games are not exempt. When D3 launched players requested/demanded that inferno get nerfed, bc I guess they were losing sleep over not 100% it and moving on with their lives. Killing Diablo 3 times wasn't enough. It's never enough.

@TrailerTrashThorne

3 ай бұрын

Lol yeah, back in 04 I was 14 and D2LOD was my first experience with that. People rushing the game then running Baal constantly, after that repeatedly running the countess or Mephisto or the necromancer. But that was nothing, because like half a year after getting into D2 online, I went to high school and became friends with competitive gamers with SS Brawl. I didn't realize people where that good at games. So right when online gaming blew up, I was all about single player games, mainly Morrowind att.

@GeoGyf

3 ай бұрын

One friend, true Diablo fan quit Diablo 3 on the spot when he saw the auction house's effects. Moved to other similar games, but in general wrote Blizzard off. The other friend made money off the auction house to buy a new pc.

There is one thing to play the meta, because there are technically other metas than the main ones content creators make. Such as off-metas, counter metas and etc. When I played in the HWC my favorite weapon was the Sp.Laser and I even got 4 man kills off of the single shots frequently but that was because I specialises in that weapon while my othee pals used other specialisations

The 1% and .1% arguments are the most accurate thing ever.

One of the saddest moments in gaming was WoW HC. I was in a guild with a guy who was a 47 warrior and he had ton of viewers and he was so happy. His toon died and everything goes away. No one wanted to watch him go again, in his own guild people were discussing which streamer to jump to and he was left with basically nothing after thinking he had finally made it as a streamer.

@Frost.x7x

3 ай бұрын

Well yea… cause they were only there to watch him die…

@jumpingman6612

3 ай бұрын

Oooof

@breakneck7268

3 ай бұрын

😢

@alexv6213

3 ай бұрын

So because he made it to lvl 47, he deserves lifetime viewership? Not how it works. Go back to the chalkboard and find another reason for people to click on your stream

@jeffleecust

3 ай бұрын

@@alexv6213 oh I agree with you, if WoW HC was your entire platform then you were bound to lose. I simply just said it was sad to witness the extreme change in this person.

I think the problem with gaming is multifaceted: 1. Battle royales is a self canabilzing style of game. Before it was team vs team in shooter games, now it’s your team vs 20 others. How can you ever do SBMM with over 100 players at the same time versus the past with 4 v 4. I had multiple 50s back in Halo 3 and I can say without a doubt that Platinum and above in Apex is 100x more sweatier. 2. How games make money now with live service: live service games incentivize people to win more or less and it’s all about player retention now. The levers these companies can pull depending on how much someone purchases can change the experience. Would you want to give a whale spender easier games to keep them hooked? 3. First person shooters have been out for 20+ years. Think about how some of us have been playing games longer than these kids have been on this planet. Hell we’re playing the same game as these kids on older generation consoles that are older than them. 4. Information and content for these games are everywhere now compared to back in the day. 5. Ability to make money in gaming has made it even sweatier. I find this minor but people do mimic the play styles of top players. Overall all of these things combined have turned FPS games and others into a cluster of difficulty spike and why everything is so damn sweaty.

@HanIsSolo

3 ай бұрын

your number 4 is often underrated I think. Back in the day there were no YT tutorials. I too catch myself looking up a guide when I fail multiple times. Only recently I try to be aware of that and withstand that behavior. Back in the day optins were much more limited. Try again an again over multiple days (Driver 1 - Garage). Visit a friend who is better or has better knowledge. Or buy a gaming magazine with tips and tricks ^^

@thefearturkey6944

3 ай бұрын

Great point skill based matchmaking how does it work in battle royales. The idea of normal skill based matchmaking team vs team or 1v1 is to get you go a 50 percent win rate. With apex your accounting for 100 people of different levels is it a average rating but then surely it cant ever be a fair chance. Then you have the even more complex questions apex and other battle royales need to answer rating. Survial in battle royales simply should never be as effective as either killing or winning., Points need to be Last standing > Kills> time survived. So in apex you can have a problem because the gsme promotes ratting so much you have 0 reasons to learn positioning movement or gunplay

@zinfex6146

3 ай бұрын

Your number 4 is really on point. I played baldurs gate 3 from release and unknowingly kept googling stuff like "how to complete a quest" or "best built for...". Because it was a new game there was no content for the stuff I was doing. Because of that my first playthrough was the most memorable. I didn't know what was ahead of me, I just tried something out and after some time I arrived at the right conclusion. I know its not the same comparing online gaming and single player but the concept still applies. People nowadays just copy the "meta" shit and everyone just becomes Buzz Lightyear from the toy shop scene thinking they are doing something unique while literally just copying experience of someone else. Sadly gaming is not about fun anymore, but rather achieving something that someone else has achieved.

When i play competitive games like ow2 and league, I play competitive/ranked to try hard and focus on being as competitive as I can. But when I want to learn a new champ/hero in unranked/quick play, or play a role I don’t normally play, or just play for fun with no win/lose mindset; every game had the majority of the lobby try harding harder than ranked/comp games. People got more upset in these casual modes than ranked ones. Since I play more ow2 now ill use it as an example. Ud have a mercy genji ana threemade sweating out clips in casual when I’m trying to learn Hanzo or something. U play against widow one tricks who ruin the lives of people trying to learn new heroes because she doesnt miss a shot, and ur tank rightfully doesnt want to switch to counter her because he wants to play something for fun. It becomes frustrating quickly because I dont learn anything. And its not like I want my team to swap in quickplay because what if they are learning a character, or what if they (rightly) dont care about winning quickplay. It seems like unranked layers are so unbelievably sweaty and yet so afraid of actually going into a ranked mode for some reason, I guess fear of losing? But as a result they take their competitiveness into quickplay where wins and losses mean nothing. Games now at every level including casual are so competitive it is miserable.

Agreed, plus things like dmg meters, websites that track a complete history of your w/l ratio's.. if you are competitive its a big plus.. but for casuals it will make your life a lot harder to enjoy anything ranked..

Personally i like youtube lets plays more than streaming because it allows me to see a game i cant at the moment afford. And then ill buy it on sale 2 years later (average) when i forget most of the lets play so its at least somewhat fresh. However what ive noticed is streamers will all jump on the game of the day, then its a flash in the pan moment, there is barely a variety in content or other games , and then Corpos see that. And make 50 other garbage games that are emulating that flash in the pan moment of prior games . Then more and more crap gets made .

@pleasedontwatchthese9593

3 ай бұрын

I also liked information letsplays that can give you background information about something that happen in the game or a development story.

@SubThoRed

3 ай бұрын

Oh, man. I fully agree with you. I've noticed that lately, I try not to watch any streams, guides, etc., at all, especially reviews. That's just another evil. I just understood that no one can suggest to me what I should play. After I finally understood it, oh boy... There are actually SO MANY different games that I really like. Now, all that I watch are let's plays. That's it. Nothing more. I play a game myself, and then I watch a let's play, to see what I missed, or how another person solves different problems I encounter through the walkthrough. The last game that I discovered for myself in that way is 7 Days to Die. The game was released 10 years ago. And everyone who I knew said that this game is garbage, even recently. But I tried it myself and hoooolyyy. I'm obsessed with it right now.

Streaming has also ruined some games, as developers now only listen to the 0.1% of gamers who are streamers. And then try to balance the game around them. This ruins the game for casual players. They leave the game. Streamers have no one to play with. And after they also leave the game, it is practically dead.

@Temperans

3 ай бұрын

That one is not a streamer thing. It has always been the case that game/tournaments design the rules so that the top players/teams have an advantage.

@notscullytv

3 ай бұрын

Curious what a 0.1% player could add to a game that would ruin a casual gamers experience, genuinely what are you on about?

@Da5kone001

3 ай бұрын

@@Temperans you cant design rules so top players have an advantage lol

@Amocoru

3 ай бұрын

Looking at you Destiny 2.

@kodosquea1994

3 ай бұрын

@@notscullytv Simple, systems that can only be barely cleared by the top 0.1% of players

I thought this the other day when rebirth dropped. Played a few games with some buddies and the amount of sweats and streamers is wild. Everyone plays like its their job. Crazy times.

Maybe to make games more playable for fun, they could add a couple things to their games on both sides of the start screen. Example: Once the game loads title screen, it could ask the player something like: select online play or offline play. Then once they make their choice, it asks separate questions on each. Example 2: offline play selected; choose difficulty on a sliding bar scale against bots. Depending where you decide to put the difficulty bar, will determine the types of guns available to you in that round or playthrough. This would force you to become better with every weapon in the game. If you want the best weapons and gadgets to become available to you then you must play a harder difficulty to achieve that. And even if you become the best player in the world, no matter what you've achieved already, the difficulty bar if brought back down, would still limit what weapons are usable at that difficulty. Because in offline play the goal is for fun, not rank or points. But also gives you the option to become better on your own. Then when you feel like you may have what it takes for online play and you wanna sweat a bit, you can choose that at title screen. Example: online play selected. Then the game could put you in a lobby that has predetermined groups of players set up based on a mix of hours played, current rank, weapons currently unlocked and difficulty chosen. Certain extra high ranked individuals could choose to play on easy sure, but the lobby would always end up being empty because they are too good in this difficulty setting to be lobbied up with anyone on easy mode. It would force better players to play at higher difficulties but still give them an option to play a few levels under them in difficulty but with lesser weapons available in lower tier difficulties. This way they wouldn't be destroying easier play with the same exceptional weapons all the time. I'm sure there are flaws I'm missing here and can't see, but it's just a thought. Trying to help. Thanks for reading:-) Perhaps also allow for spectators? At the highest levels of play spectators could, in real time, learn new strategies of gameplay they never thought of to try.

To add onto this conversation: Zero Sum is a concept in which one person has to gain just as much as the other person has to lose. I forget where I heard it but when you do the math, the sum total is zero. "Zero Sum is Zero Fun." To get people to not care about the outcome. . . is to remove the concept of games being Zero Sum. Titan Fall 2. When you lost in that game, you didn't lose, it just triggered an event where the winners were on one side of the event, and the losers were on the other. The people on the losing side had to escape, and the winners had to kill them. Winning and losing didn't matter, it was just about escaping. And if you lost there, who cares? Most of the match didn't matter anyways, and that was the fun part.

@randypeterson6938

3 ай бұрын

I want to say I heard something similar when reading about SBMM. And I think it was from one of the Apex devs.

@Hadeks_Marow

3 ай бұрын

@@randypeterson6938 SBMM is a stupid concept ON PRINCIBLE. It assumes games are more fun when you are facing players of your own skill level. . . which isn't fun. Games are more fun when you are qued with fun opponents/teammates. Doesn't matter if they are better or worse than you. What matters is "how" they play the game. One of the bigger changes nintendo made to Mario Maker 2 is the ability to downvote levels. When you downvote levels, it makes it less likely for other players to deal with it. Now imagine that system implemented around random ques. "Do you want to que up with more players like this", a simple yes or no question. This gives the player a "Enjoyment based rating score". Downvote or upvote. The system keeps track of if you downvote more or upvote more and prioritizes the one you do less. If a guy who only downvotes players, their downvote rating is worth like less than 1% of what the downvote is worth of a person who only upvotes. The point of the system is to rate a player on how many people find them enjoyable or how many find them annoying, while also disregarding those that only vote one way. From there, it assigns a "score" or a "rating" to that player. . . not based on skill, but on how enjoyable they are. This "Enjoyment Based Match Making" system prioritizes people of similar enjoyment ratings. Meaning the people who are annoying get put in annoying lobbies and people are fun to play against get put in lobbies with other fun people to play against. So the sweats and the cheaters get the bad lobbies and the casuals who are just here to have fun get the good lobbies. How you treat your fellow players will get you karma that gets you worse or better lobbies. "+rep", THIS is how you make a good match making system: By making it via player recommendations and NOT based off of skill. Annoying players hurt the playerbase. If they quit cause they get bad lobbies, good.

@marklebury

2 ай бұрын

@@Hadeks_Marow This system assumes that whatever game you are playing has a player base large enough that you can actually find a game with these "fun players" without the search times being way too long. I don't really understand people having an issue with sbmm on principle. In most situations people dont want to get gutterstomped even when they are playing casual instead of ranked. I could be the most friendly player in the world who doesnt chase metas on dota, but if i get matched against someone with less than 2k hours I will probably crush them and they will hate the experience. I think the main issue with sbmm is just when it detects rise in skill over too small a period of time. If a game is checking your skill over like 20 games then it should be able to make an informed decision on whether you are in the right skill bracket or not.

@Hadeks_Marow

2 ай бұрын

@@marklebury SBMM works for fighting games that are 1v1. But that's the ONLY time the systems works. As soon as there's a 3rd person, the system breaks down and fails to accurately depict each players capabilities. SBMM is based on the Elo Rating System designed by Arpad Elo. . . who made it. . . FOR CHESS TOURNAMENTS. It was NEVER designed for videogames NOR any form of system outside of a 1v1 and DEFINITELY not for a casual/enjoyable setting. That is one of the core components of the issue. It was not made for the medium it's used in and the problems because of such are self apparent. And even in the fighting game example, it does nothing in regards to "good players not trying". A user review would account for such a notion. SBMM and EBMM work on the same system, assigning a number to a player and finds players who are online within a similar number range to the player for the player to play against. The only difference is what that number represents and how that number was achieved. If no one likes getting curbstomped, then the curbstompper would naturally get downvoted and pushed to the bottom (so that curbstompers get put in matches with other curbstompers) and the people who joke around, meme, not take the game seriously and just have fun with it get pushed to the top with similar playstyles. The goal of such a system is to aim to emulate the type of experience of playing in private lobbies with your friends. You are NOT going to be as good as your friend. That's not what makes such a match enjoyable. What makes it enjoyable is playstyle and how seriously you take the game in relation to the other player. A casual does not want to play with/against a sweat. The social aspect with friends creates a "social game balance" which is the alternative to "developer implemented game balance" where, when you are with friends, the better player is naturally going to not try as hard as the worse player where both players choose to balance out the scales on their own instinctually. Once again, the goal of an EBMM system would be to try and promote and endorse that social game balance aspect as a means to emulate the experience of playing with friends. It achieves this by users naturally rewarding and punishing those who actively make the game a better or worse experience for them. And this much. . . can be attributed. . . with NO correlation to skill what-so-ever. That's because, unlike SBMM/ERS, an EBMM system is actually DESIGNED for videogames with multiple people in a match. It is not designed for rank-play though. That's where SBMM/ERS would have to stay unfortunately. When it comes to unranked ques on the other hand, the only people who don't get to have fun are the players making the game unfun.

I remember being a kid with my dad at the game store to pick up Ocarina of Time for the Nintendo 64. I saw the official guide book on a shelf and wanted it because it looked cool. My dad said no because "what is the point of getting a book that spoils the entire game". And as he said it I agreed because ofcourse it was true. I just wanted it for the looks but I knew that it would be so stupid to have a guide for a game when the point is to explore it and find all the things. Now, fast forward to now and I was enjoying Season of Discovery with some people at work. We were two weeks from the release of season 2. They were all reading up on which class and spec will be the best. Some of them had re-rolled new characters since the one they picked for phase 1 was no longer the meta. They already knew what talents to pick. They had stocked up on any item that can be handed in for xp and their plan for enjoying the new content was to get online quickly at launch and then permagrind the same dungeon until they hit max. So that they could do Gnomeregan on the second day. Before they did Gnomeregan they obviously would watch a stream of other people doing it and reading up on all the bosses. So that they could one shot it. I feel like I am living in an insane asylum observing this. People are not just buying the official guide book with every game they play. They read it from cover to cover before they start the game up, so that they can get through it as fast as possible and with as little enjoyment as possible. So that they can then feel superior to the people who didn't.

@Frost.x7x

3 ай бұрын

Right? Literally defeats everything about the game in my opinion… What happened to just enjoying a game for what it is… a “game”. They need to change the definition of “game” these days, cause ppl aren’t “gaming” they’re literally just “grinding”

@plankbro

3 ай бұрын

Honestly, coming from experiencing both sides of this coin between casually enjoying a game and playing it almost as if its a competition (soft speedrun) (cause I do both depending on the game), just let them? You may not enjoy that style but they can. It's one thing when they hate doing it but they keep doing it cause they're addicted to the game, and it's another to actively diminish others by complaining about them when they're seeking their own form of enjoyment without affecting you.

@Ymirheim

3 ай бұрын

@@plankbroI am a speedrunner. I have been placed relatively high on the world leaderboards in three NES games. I also played for one of my countries top two clans in Starcraft 2 and practiced 8 hours a day. This isn't about playing the game casually vs "competitively". This is the illusion of competitive gaming, often at the expense of the entire experience of the game.

@plankbro

3 ай бұрын

@@Ymirheim That is how you feel about it, but to others there is no expense. I can sit through a 50+ hour Dark Souls playthrough no guides no wiki just using the coolest weapon I find without any desire for what is OP, and I can also spend 4 hours on a team builder website for a Pokemon game without any intention to PvP. This is solely so I can one shot gyms and random pokemon, which I find to be fun. My experience isn't ruined in either, and if I'm playing an MMORPG, I'm gonna be crunching numbers, looking up the meta cause I want to see those numbers skyrocket. It isn't off some shallow desire to be 'better than you', I just want to see my toon be at the best I can make it. There are extremes granted, like how some do it to show off to others and detest casuals and hate it when ppl dont play meta, and there is the other extreme side, where you find their style of gaming to be offensive to you.

@Ymirheim

3 ай бұрын

​@@plankbroThis is not about everyone sitting down and figuring out which way they will enjoy the game the most and then doing that though. The problem with the always competitive metagaming culture is the opposite. It prevents people from being able to even conceive how they might enjoy the game the most. It's one thing to meticulously figure out which class and spec will do slightly more dps than all the others and play that because you get a genuine thrill out of having higher numbers than the rest. It is another to google the best class/spec and then pick that one because you're afraid that if you don't you won't find groups and raids. Or because you will feel like you are a worse player when everyone link the logs after raids. Most people who do this still convince themselves that they're doing it because they just love playing games competitively.

I spend 12 hours a day in an ambulance, competitive gaming ruined a lot of my favorite games for me.

19:11 the difference is back then, a good player wasn’t completely tryharding, and/or wasn’t an issue cus there wasn’t people constantly chasing meta or something like now in modern times.

Streaming/esports might have propelled it further in that direction, but as a former 12 year old playing shooters before streaming got popular; there were always sweaty gamers gaming in online games

@ceu160193

3 ай бұрын

But streaming is what made this sweaty disease spread.

@iiPotatoes

3 ай бұрын

​@@ceu160193KZread "spread" it well before live streaming was a thing.

@TheRR3d

3 ай бұрын

True there was always that one guy in the lobby kicking ass. Now its like every other guy is on the same level. its nuts

@AlanRedrew

3 ай бұрын

People were bitching and only looking at DPS/numbers in wow way before streaming became popular tbh

@ceu160193

3 ай бұрын

@@AlanRedrew Because of how raids were made. Lack of numbers would result in party wipe and wasted time for many players.

this is why I like final fantasy games. I can take my time, and just enjoy without worrying about sweaty players

@a-animal1206

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely

There was a point in time on apex where I stopped playing because every match I lost running into a try hard pred squad in (pubs for some reason)

with the skill based matchmaking, which is why i dont play the crucible on destiny because when i would play it i would do well for like one or two matches and it would take me out of that lobby and put me in one where there is a massive gap of my skill level to the players on the opposite team. its highly frustrating.

I'm trash now because I played casually my whole life and now 20-40% of the people playing now were kids that have been playing competitively since they were 5 and are effectively trained professionals compared to me because I had a job at 16 and they've had the same job since they were 6, gamer. "This game isn't for you" becomes "no games are for you" when EVERYONE is becoming the top 1% of SOMETHING.

@anonimowelwiatko4455

2 ай бұрын

There are not competitive games/modes in games. If you play online game and you join MYTHIC raid, RANKED game... you better fucking play to win.

@drewmcdonald4082

2 ай бұрын

@@anonimowelwiatko4455 sweats love to smurf casual game modes to blow off steam, most casuals I know don't play ranked they play modes named things like "unrated" and "casual" and still get roflstomped, now all us old people play games like Ghost of Tsushima and Persona 5. A lot of my friends beg me to play games like Valorant and CS sometimes and when I cave I just feel like I'm donating my time and burning an evening for no reason other to placate them, but they play every night so I feel it's the only way I can spend time with them. I recognize the talent in the game though, it's just not what I would call fun from my side. After a few minutes of getting killed and not knowing why I alt tab to read an article or something while they finish out the round.

@arkkrogue3870

2 ай бұрын

I lost a mw3 match bad to a lvl.455 six year old nit long ago.

@jjay350

2 ай бұрын

I generally avoid anything that makes me play with tryhards.

@metallboy25

2 ай бұрын

No it doesnt. It becomes "No competitive multiplayer games are for you." You still have co-ops and single player games you can enjoy.

Back when i enjoyed Overwatch 1, i had to first suffer trough losing around 100 ranked matches in a row before the system recognized my skill level. It was torture to constantly get wrecked and have the team complaining and reporting me after each match for beeing bad. It should not be like that to get to have fun in a game.

Maybe lobbies based off of weekly hours played? So if you play as a streamer 8 hours a day you would be in one lobby class, and if you play only on weekends, another lobby class. And mixed with fixed, bot lobbies, for the first month so people couldn't create a new account every day to smurf.

Would a good suggestion for skill based be many ranks. And each rank is progressed by winning 3 games in a row, then 5, then 7, etc. Etc. So you aren't moved by one good game or a lucky lobby

Everyone wants to go 20-0 but no one wants to be apart of someones 20-0 clip.

Used to play tournaments in halo 2. Last halo game came out. Played it for a bit, got a little better and thought. "I'm going to start playing ranked." Worked my way up to top of diamond and then all the sudden I couldn't win. I lost 50+ games in a row, literally went days without a win and it wasn't like I was just loosing. We were getting beat 20-50/15-50 every game. Had teammates that couldn't even get a kill and it dropped me all the way to bronze. Quit playing the game and haven't picked it up since.

@matthewmullins4046

Ай бұрын

What? How is that even possible? I really don't understand. Do you have anymore insight into your experience?

@tylerandiemichael159

Ай бұрын

@@matthewmullins4046 i have no idea. I couldn't believe it. It was like it was impossible to kill anyone. Not in a way that they where good and I couldn't beat them, but that it seemed to take way more hit markers for me to kill them. Heroes of the storm and overwatch had a very similar ranking system. If you got to far above what they originally ranked you at the beginning of the season the game would start making it more difficult for you to win. In my case that ment matching you with teammates that didn't know which end of the gym the bullets came out of. Again, seemed to be more than that. Other players all the sudden became much harder to take down

@sportschool3537

Ай бұрын

@@tylerandiemichael159 I play Valorant ranked for fun (I'm just Silver, nothing special cause I'm not good at FPS games)... when I was trying to get out of Bronze (I'm better than almost any Bronze player) I would get to 1 win away from ranking up... that rank up game would magically be on my worst map (Breeze) almost every time (8 out of 10 tries) at which I have only a 20% win rate and would ALWAYS have at least one guy on the other team that would end the game with 35+ kills which is an insane kill count for ranked valorant against players "of your level"... games want to keep you running on a wheel like a hamster... if you rank up and are satisfied you might stop playing you see... Better example... back in 2013-2014 I used to be a pro-level player at FIFA (not a professional, just division 1 and winning a ton of games even at the top)... back then the game was fair, the skill gap was huge if you knew how to play and the game didn't assist you or cover your mistakes... but then they started to cater to the bad players to assist them at "not getting beat that bad"... so what did they do? Assume you're doing a wrong pass and aim right at your opponents defender... the game would do everything in it's power to make the pass go through and the ball would go way off from where you aimed to avoid the defender... you're pretty much not playing anymore, the AI is correcting your mistakes left and right and all you do is button mash... so now people now literally button mash in a sports game... which made me quit cause I didn't care about getting to the top if it wasn't due to skill... the game literally has scripted instances where the input doesn't match the output within the game to make you lose more games if you're good to "keep you playing" since you take waaaaay longer to get to your deserved rank... back in 2013 since in FIFA you have to start from Division 10 at the bottom every year, it took me literally 2 weeks to get to Division 1 and had a win% of 90-95% and up to Division 3 I pretty much was at 100%, can't remember losing a game in those divisions cause I was simply too good for them... but after getting to Division 1 these low rank players would never see me again... And by the way, this should be lawsuit worthy since it's really messing with people's mental health... gaming companies are causing kids mental breakdowns just to make money... nothing shittier than that...

@xctor

Ай бұрын

@@sportschool3537 I also play valorant ranked, 1,000+ hours,peak platinum 3, and what you said is 100% accurate. Valorant is the most addicting video game I’ve ever played. Riot knows what they are doing and it’s intentional. Lawsuit worthy 100%.

Most people's expectations are just too high. I remember as a kid just taking a W if I could get a kill or two on the top people in the lobby. You have to be really good at a game before you can expect even 50% win rates.

I try really hard to avoid doing this on my channel. I want to play games my way...even if it's boring. Of course, I still want to grow and hopefully make a living out of it, but I can't stand the idea of switching from the IRL grind to the online one.