How steam locomotives could refill their water tanks without stopping - The Water Scoop

In this video, we take a look at the rather clever way steam locomotives could refill their water tanks without stopping.
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  • @TrainFactGuy
    @TrainFactGuy2 жыл бұрын

    *Insert "Ramsbottom" joke [HERE]*

  • @memazov6601

    @memazov6601

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lmao XD

  • @TankEngine75

    @TankEngine75

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ramsbottom works also rebuilt the LNWR 2-2-2 "Cormwall" tho,no this is true not a joke

  • @oncimio7085

    @oncimio7085

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ramsbottom has a big bottom

  • @edwardvincentbriones5062

    @edwardvincentbriones5062

    2 жыл бұрын

    I dont remember that movie with “Ramsbottom” name reference. Sorry guys.

  • @1_railfan

    @1_railfan

    2 жыл бұрын

    Stuart: *Snicker* "Bottom" XD

  • @nococoforboco5538
    @nococoforboco55382 жыл бұрын

    Of course an undercarriage feature is created by a guy called Ramsbottom

  • @boatfan1234

    @boatfan1234

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lmao yea

  • @dalekinthewater4708

    @dalekinthewater4708

    2 жыл бұрын

    Gotta ram that water from the scoop under the bottom of the train

  • @thedrifterman5653

    @thedrifterman5653

    2 жыл бұрын

    Bottom

  • @Shark_cool

    @Shark_cool

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ah yes

  • @FunAngelo2005

    @FunAngelo2005

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah

  • @rothevator4009
    @rothevator40092 жыл бұрын

    Also fun to point out that some early diesels used them too, as some of the long-distance non-stop diesel locos had steam heat boilers onboard that required refilling with water en-route. Check out early Class 40's and Class 55 Deltics and you'll see the water scoop on there. Naturally, electric-train-heating saw this removed, and so the troughs became redundant.

  • @jakedotnet

    @jakedotnet

    2 жыл бұрын

    would be crossing the line to insane completely if they also picked up diesel by scoops so you could have a truly non-stop train

  • @russellbrown7028

    @russellbrown7028

    2 жыл бұрын

    The practice apparently worked at the time, but electricity and water never travel well together, so using the troughs to replenish diesel train-heat feedwater would seem to have been inherently dodgy with 600 Volt traction motors humming along at speed just above the trough.

  • @ChrisCooper312

    @ChrisCooper312

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@russellbrown7028 The scoops were designed such that water splash was directed away from the motors, so it was never a problem. The again the Deltics motors could flashover (short circuit leading to a trip out) when going over rough bits of track, so a bit of water was hardly going to make them that much worse.

  • @TheEDFLegacy

    @TheEDFLegacy

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jakedotnet Doable, but imagine how much would be lost during the process? Also... Don't light a match. 😂 (I know it's Diesel but _still_ )

  • @termitreter6545

    @termitreter6545

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jakedotnet I mean, thats what electric trains are. They "never" need to stop because all the power comes from the outside.

  • @SeanPat1001
    @SeanPat10012 жыл бұрын

    To me, the most interesting thing was the guys name was “Ramsbottom.“ It’s almost as if this is a chapter out of a novel. His device could’ve easily been called a Ramsbottom and no one would guess that it was named after a person.

  • @gabiedude

    @gabiedude

    2 жыл бұрын

    That is actually pretty smart

  • @poloska9471

    @poloska9471

    2 жыл бұрын

    giggity

  • @bryang6061
    @bryang60612 жыл бұрын

    As a teenage fireman in the 60's I well remember standing behind the driver and winding down the scoop when told, The tank gauge shot up and sometimes you had a job winding it back up when the tank was full and the scoop still in the trough, got wet a few times.

  • @Stornoman

    @Stornoman

    2 жыл бұрын

    I too remember the troughs when working fast vacuums on the GWR 1958, always worried about the gap between tender and engine while hanging on to the tender lever water control. No guard rails on western engines.

  • @johnjephcote7636

    @johnjephcote7636

    2 жыл бұрын

    I always looked forward to Bushey troughs on my trips between old Euston and Watford Jct. usually on a Bletchley semi fast. I remember reading that on the GWR, possibly on The Great Bear, the water overflowed the tender filler and burst through the corridor connection door of the leading coach.

  • @Stornoman

    @Stornoman

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@johnjephcote7636 Hello John, that incident was so well known to us on Western engines, that drivers would shout at 3/4 full 'Turn it off, even though the gauge was in front of us.'

  • @arthurrytis6010

    @arthurrytis6010

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Stornoman I read that there was an unfortunate fireman on the L M S that actually did fall out and was killed at the troughs at Castlethorp near Milton Keynes while taking water

  • @1_railfan
    @1_railfan2 жыл бұрын

    This is actually one of the most coolest and creative rail inventions ever thought of, alongside the corridor tender. Although I've seen a corridor tender before, I never knew it's true purpose until I watched your video about it a while back.

  • @poruatokin

    @poruatokin

    2 жыл бұрын

    UK Mail trains with their non-stop pick up and drop off of sorted mail were pretty cool.

  • @1_railfan

    @1_railfan

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@poruatokin I think I've seen something like that before.

  • @RJSRdg

    @RJSRdg

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also watch the BTC film 'Elizabethan Express'

  • @Person01234

    @Person01234

    2 жыл бұрын

    There are actually a lot of things for railways in particular that are either cool inventions or clever solutions to problems. There are a lot of considerations that go into designing things that you don't really think about when you just see them working.

  • @jumpinjojo

    @jumpinjojo

    2 жыл бұрын

    Most coolest is grammatically incorrect.

  • @Gordons1888
    @Gordons18882 жыл бұрын

    One memorable moment from dad's army is when the Kings train came through and they all got soaked, loved it

  • @andrewyoung749

    @andrewyoung749

    2 жыл бұрын

    ever notice how in that scene an a4 rattles toward the camera then the wheels of a little hunslet tank or similar race past the cast lol

  • @beagle7622

    @beagle7622

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was wondering if anyone would mention that. I loved that scene Pyke trying to warn Mainwaring . Great stuff.

  • @alanmusicman3385

    @alanmusicman3385

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep. Anyone who has watched the Dad's Army episode "The Royal Train" doesn't need to watch this!

  • @Gordons1888

    @Gordons1888

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@andrewyoung749 the clip of the A4 looks likes it was from the 60s in BR Green up by what looks like Berwick lol

  • @beagle7622

    @beagle7622

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Gordons1888 That particular episode would have been mid seventies so you are probably right. It was one of the really good ones . That was such a funny show with some exceptional acting .Wilson just played himself John Le Mesuirer (spelling) was so laid back.in interviews I saw of him.

  • @russellgxy2905
    @russellgxy29052 жыл бұрын

    There were some interesting innovations with water troughs in the States, though we called them "track pans." Especially on the New York Central. The force of the water being picked up wouldn't just shoot out the back of the tender, but it could also make cracks in the tenders too. Later tenders had special piping that would spray any of the overflow down to the side of the tracks instead, rather than showering the entire coach right behind the tender. Slightly surprised Britain never tried that

  • @Spencer067

    @Spencer067

    2 жыл бұрын

    Was it the Niagaras that did this? I know lionel made a model of one the locomotives did this and even had smoke effects for the tender where the "water" would spray out of. It was neat

  • @hodwooker5584

    @hodwooker5584

    2 жыл бұрын

    I lived in a house in Reliance Wyoming that had a cesspit made from track pans. The sides and top of the pit were made of overlapping sections of pans. The house had been used as a bunk house for single men working in the coal mines owned by the Union Pacific Railroad. The house itself was made up from 4 wooden box cars with a foundation of railroad ties. The house just above it on the hill was collapsing into the coal mine that ran under it. Weird history in that place!

  • @15dutchman
    @15dutchman2 жыл бұрын

    In the USA if a town was so small that the train didn’t bother stopping at it but used a water trough instead it was called a “jerk water town” . The name came to be used for any small back woods town.

  • @samspencer7765

    @samspencer7765

    2 жыл бұрын

    Cool! Now I want to know why they're called "back woods" towns!

  • @Kansasavation

    @Kansasavation

    Жыл бұрын

    @@samspencer7765 there in the back woods aka nothing in the middle of the woods its a commen term here in the mid west

  • @grizwoldphantasia5005

    @grizwoldphantasia5005

    Жыл бұрын

    I believe that's wrong. The "jerk" implies either jerking down a water tank pipe, or jerking buckets of water up from a river or lake. Track water troughs were not cheap to build or maintain and would not be installed inside a town at all, let alone a town too small to have a station.

  • @roberthall2588
    @roberthall25882 жыл бұрын

    On the Midland Railway, their small engine policy meant that on double-headed trains the second engine got soaked when the front engine took on water. The soaking of the front of the second engine washed the oil out of the front axle boxes causing them to overheat. That’s why you’ll sometimes see Midland Compounds with splasher panels covering their front axle boxes to stop the problem.

  • @sydneymartin6941

    @sydneymartin6941

    2 жыл бұрын

    Man those steam engines really suck they were so old fashion compared to our South African loco's It is like comparing grannies pantaloons to the thongs of today

  • @haroldpearson6025

    @haroldpearson6025

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sydneymartin6941 Strange as UK built and provided many locomotives to SAR.

  • @sydneymartin6941

    @sydneymartin6941

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@haroldpearson6025 Hi They did a damn good job as our loco's were very well built Everything well proportioned and well balanced They not only looked beautiful they worked damn well It was a pleasure firing those loco's Man I loved them 14CRB 14CRM 12AR 24 CLASS 15AR 8CLASS 7CLASS AND 19 CLASS

  • @Nastyswimmer

    @Nastyswimmer

    Жыл бұрын

    Midland locos were notorious for their overheating axle boxes. It wasn't just (or even) caused by water troughs - their bearings were too narrow

  • @cycler666
    @cycler6662 жыл бұрын

    I was recently talking to a (retired) local farmer about the troughs on the WCML at Brock between Preston and Lancaster. He told me that there was a pumping station on his land that took water from the nearby Lancaster canal to fill up the troughs. The water was filtered and treatment was added. On summer days he often saw railwaymen asleep in their wheelbarrows outside the pumping station 🤣

  • @trainsonthebrain
    @trainsonthebrain2 жыл бұрын

    Splendid again. Absolutely killing it with these shorts! Rumour has it that the Great Central Railway in Loughborough have looked at the possibility of re-creating a short section of line to accommodate this for demonstration purposes - could be interesting if it takes off!

  • @oncimio7085
    @oncimio70852 жыл бұрын

    You know it’s gonna be a great day when train of thought uploads

  • @justinmeeks1868
    @justinmeeks18682 жыл бұрын

    That Sonic kid in me appreciates the "Hydrocity Zone" music in the background.

  • @carribob1992
    @carribob19922 жыл бұрын

    Little note: The Southern Railway didn't have any water troughs. So the locomotives had pretty large tenders (Mainly ex LSWR locomotives had them like the T14 4-6-0 which used 5800 Gallon Tenders. Bulleid Pacifics also had large tenders). During the 1948 Exchange Trials, EX LMS locomotives ended up using a WD Tender when trialed on Southern lines whilst EX Southern locomotives used a Stanier LMS Tender when trialed on the other railways in order to use the Water Troughs.

  • @zaku32888
    @zaku328882 жыл бұрын

    The opening scene of La Bete Humaine features a water scoop in action.

  • @andrewtaylor940
    @andrewtaylor9402 жыл бұрын

    The troughs were used pretty extensively in the US. Especially in Northeast fast service. With the much greater distances involved in the US especially out West, they were more prone to adopt larger tenders, and double up the tenders. The troughs worked well on very straight level routes, such as the New York Central’s famed Water Level Route. Not so much the long steady grades to the west.

  • @MATT2productions
    @MATT2productions2 жыл бұрын

    It's cool u using Sonic 3 Hydrocity as the background music

  • @Pamudder
    @Pamudder2 жыл бұрын

    The Pennsylvania Railroad used water scoops extensively to avoid stopping its express passenger trains. The PRR's water troughs were heated by steam in winter to permit operation year-round. However, this resulted in the train using the scoop and any passing train being covered with ice, which certainly added to the already enormous hazards faced by train crews.

  • @josephdedrick9337

    @josephdedrick9337

    2 жыл бұрын

    i had figured someone would have heated the troughs.

  • @Pamudder

    @Pamudder

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@josephdedrick9337 Supposedly the first time the PRR tested the water trough system they had not provided for a large enough relief valve in the tender, which quickly filled to capacity and then exploded.

  • @Nubfist
    @Nubfist2 жыл бұрын

    Something that I learned about the water troughs a couple months ago: Apparently, two LNER Gresley A4's where passing eachother at high spped. One of the was using a water trough, and the resulting splash shattered the other A4's front window, killing the fireman. Another Great video as always!

  • @neiloflongbeck5705

    @neiloflongbeck5705

    2 жыл бұрын

    One reason you couldn't use the water troughs if you were passing the Royal Train.

  • @TankEngine75

    @TankEngine75

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@neiloflongbeck5705 Yep,I remember learning that,still imagine if some driver used a Water Trough and then gave the Queen a rail shower

  • @joshuaW5621
    @joshuaW56212 жыл бұрын

    There is so much interesting stuff to steam locomotives and this has fascinated me.

  • @KlaxontheImpailr

    @KlaxontheImpailr

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ikr? I love high speed rail and all but the steam age always seemed to teem with innovative and creative ideas.

  • @dark_one1337
    @dark_one13372 жыл бұрын

    funfact on the NYC these "Track pans" as they called it were build with a light slope so water can circulate and had a Steamheated Pumphouse to ensure that the water scooping work 24/7 also did the NYC Hudsons had a scoop speed to not exeed 50 mph (if I remember correctly) because the Vents weren't big enought to release the exeed and the water tank on the Tender would burst.

  • @frenchsteam7356
    @frenchsteam73562 жыл бұрын

    I took water with a Deltic at Lucker Troughs in 1968. It took only a few seconds to fill the tank -using a small lever mounted in front of the 2nd man.

  • @TankEngine75
    @TankEngine752 жыл бұрын

    Oh yes the Water Trough! These arent Economical however so its more economical to use A coal and water tower tho

  • @neiloflongbeck5705

    @neiloflongbeck5705

    2 жыл бұрын

    Although the locomotive will be standing idle and not earning any revenue whilst be coaled and watered.

  • @Person01234

    @Person01234

    2 жыл бұрын

    In what way are they uneconomical. The UK is not short on water. Having to bring a steam train with vacuum brakes, especially an express service, to a complete halt and then get it back up to speed again is extremely uneconomical, it takes more than just pulling over your car for gas does.

  • @neiloflongbeck5705

    @neiloflongbeck5705

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Person01234 for long distance stopping trains stops were timetabled for taking on water or for a change of locomotive but neither are possible for a non-stop service.

  • @lalnablehector1285
    @lalnablehector12852 жыл бұрын

    Its one of those things so simple and odd that most people wouldn't think of it because you immediately think you need something highly complicated to deal with such an issue.

  • @lapiswake6583
    @lapiswake65832 жыл бұрын

    Awesome video, one I wouldn't have thought to make (if I made videos). I love seeing pictures of diesels using the troughs, because of course carriages in the early diesel days still used steam heating and thus diesels and electric locos were fitted with train heating boilers, which would require water tanks which would need refilling. Not as much of an issue during summer months, but also newer carriages were introduced that used electric train heating (ETH), so didn't require the boilers and thus they were removed.

  • @bskorupk
    @bskorupk2 жыл бұрын

    Given the need for engines for Snowplough duty, and the need for stops for water due to frozen water-troughs, I wonder what percentage of engines had to be either overworked or taken out of reserve, and how many footplate crews had to be temporarily promoted in winter to make trains run to time? I know that some of the harder winters in the 60's helped to get a few engines preserved.

  • @kevwebb2637
    @kevwebb26372 жыл бұрын

    The notable J class Hudsons of the NYC had a water scoop as well. Which is more common at the Water level route. I wish NYC T motor #278 gets in a museum since it's the only T motor left. The NYS T motors are known for the 20th Century Ltd. in the Electric portions.

  • @randydudeck2451
    @randydudeck24512 жыл бұрын

    Growing up here in Northern Indiana during the 60's & 70's there were water troughs along the rails that ran' thru Lydick, Ind. (Penn Central then Conrail and Now Norfolk Southern RR) The 'pans' were still intact well into the 1970's. This was one of our "Hang-Outs" for my brother and myself and our friends. .. Oh and of course we 'all' hopped trains when the opportunities availed'. One HOT summer morning we, about 6 of us hopped a West-Bound train that 'picked up' speed a little too fast for us to jump off.🥵 So, we rode until the train slowed enough for us to 'jump' ... this was well into the next county. We walked "all day and into the evening (it was dark) by the time we got home. We were all in Grade School at the time!! ... I think my feet hurt to this day from walking all those many miles on gravel. But I wouldn't change those memories for anything! GOOD TIMES!!!🥵🥵✌

  • @emanuelstone2131
    @emanuelstone2131 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for adding the metric units on the screen 👍 that helps a lot to follow the video

  • @ronalddevine9587
    @ronalddevine95872 жыл бұрын

    Here in the USA, the New York Central Railroad used similar technology.

  • @danielgrey7109
    @danielgrey71092 жыл бұрын

    I can't believe I never heard of this. Now I'm 100% anticipating some of the people from the Thomas Fandom adapting a story about water troughs going horribly wrong for Gordon and James.

  • @russellgxy2905

    @russellgxy2905

    2 жыл бұрын

    I had thought about that (and I'm sure others have too), but I don't think Sodor has any lines long enough to need a water trough. Heck that's likely why Gordon's tender is smaller than Flying Scotsman's

  • @EndYouTubeShorts_

    @EndYouTubeShorts_

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hmm. Yeah it wouldn't make sense on Sodor.

  • @wilbur9416
    @wilbur94162 жыл бұрын

    Simple yet brilliant

  • @thomasshaftoe461
    @thomasshaftoe4612 жыл бұрын

    It's amazing that people design steam engines with parts to have coal in them and tenders for long running services but diesel use less resources like fuel or diesel and electric trains use electrically to help them move.

  • @obelic71

    @obelic71

    2 жыл бұрын

    Electric trains are indirect steamtrains. Powerplants produce electricty by steam.

  • @laurencefraser

    @laurencefraser

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@obelic71 well, except in so far as for hydro, wind and photovoltaic solar are used in the generation process. (hydro and wind not needing to heat the fluid that imparts movement to their turbines, and photovoltaic solar just skipping the idea entirely (there's another type of solar that uses sunlight to boil water. It has its up sides and its down sides). On the other hand, it always amuses me that Nuclear power plants, being oh-so-fancy and high tech... are fundamentally little more than steam engines whose fuel wants to kill you a bit more than coal or oil does.

  • @allangibson2408

    @allangibson2408

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@laurencefraser Nuclear power is FAR safer than coal power. Thousands of people die every year keeping coal fired power generation running. The highest deaths per kilowatt generated however are wind turbines (a combination of staff and skydiving fatalities is awe inspiring).

  • @Electrolux219

    @Electrolux219

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@obelic71 funnily enough diesel trains are basically indirect electric trains. The Diesel engine doesn’t send its own power to the wheels rather it spins a generator which sends electricity to electric motors which then sends power to the wheels. This is because electric motors don’t need to rev up to generate torque like a combustion engine, they just **go**, which is really useful when pulling big loads. Especially when accelerating from a standstill.

  • @obelic71

    @obelic71

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Electrolux219 Powerplants use for the most part the same fuel (coal) as steamengines 😉 Dieselfuel has to refined from oil. If you don't have easy acces to oil it can be a problem. Thats why lots of countries on the mainland of Europe who had coal electrified on mass after WW2. The UK withdrew the young EM2's from service and they ran longer on Dutch rails then they did in the UK! There are 3 main forms of diesel propulsion for a railway engine The pure mechanical is only for small shunters and small powercars. Diesel-hydraulic propulsion was used alot mainly in Germany for main line engines and multiple unit trains. the famous DB class 216/218 locos are diesel hydraulic. Diesel-electric have become smaller and now its the industry standard for mainline engines and multiple units not running under overhead wires. Fun fact is that till this day there are BR Class 11 very similar locomotives build for the Dutch state railways at English Electric are still in service! 1 of those engines even gets after 70 years hydrogen fuelcells.

  • @martinvillareal4409
    @martinvillareal44092 жыл бұрын

    0:04 Poor Thomas LOL

  • @victoriacyunczyk
    @victoriacyunczyk2 жыл бұрын

    Some railroads fitted heaters to water troughs.

  • @glypnir
    @glypnir2 жыл бұрын

    Water supply is a real problem for the big US steam locos when they do cross country trips these days. They have multiple water tender cars and have to arrange to meet fire trucks at fire hydrants to fill up. They’ve all switched to fuel oil instead of coal for lot of reasons, but they still need to encounter tank trucks relatively frequently as well. And they make shorter runs than they used to. Steam engines required much more dedicated infrastructure than diesels do.

  • @FS2K4Pilot

    @FS2K4Pilot

    2 жыл бұрын

    True, but most such engines still run on coal over here.

  • @glypnir

    @glypnir

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@FS2K4Pilot if the engines have shorter, fixed runs, are smaller, and or are in wetter areas, they’re more likely to use coal. But locomotives like the Big Boy, which are based in dry and flammable areas, go on long trips and are really big almost all have switched to fuel oil. I’m not sure which heavies did it, but no fireman could shovel fast enough. They had an screw feed for the coal delivery and the fireman controlled steam jets for moving things around in the big firebox. Here’s a synopsis of the trip for this year. Coming out to see our steam locomotives in person? Stand back at least 25 feet from all railroad tracks. Railroad tracks, trestles, yards and right of way are private property - please do not trespass. Never assume tracks are abandoned or inactive - ALWAYS expect a train. Read more safety tips Big Boy No. 4014 departed Cheyenne, Wyoming on Aug. 5 for this year's steam tour, traveling through Arkansas, Colorado, Kansas, Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas and Wyoming. During the Big Boy 2021 Tour, the Big Boy was on display in the following cities: Saturday, Aug. 14: Fort Worth, Texas Tuesday, Aug. 17: Houston, Texas Saturday, Aug. 21: New Orleans, Louisiana Sunday, Aug. 29: St. Louis, Missouri Monday, Sept. 6: Denver, Colorado

  • @TheTouristLine
    @TheTouristLine2 жыл бұрын

    As somebody that lives in Ramsbottom (on the East Lancs Railway) it is nice for a different Ramsbottom to be the butt of a few jokes :D Great vid!

  • @chuckthebull
    @chuckthebull2 жыл бұрын

    Sir Ramsbottum was worth the watch alone.

  • @TimRuffle
    @TimRuffle2 жыл бұрын

    A couple of stories from talks I attended at Darlington Railway Centre and Museum: A worker was left in charge of a set of troughs with instructions to add a certain amount of lime to the tank every time a trough was used to soften the water. Not to disparage but the chap was an immigrant so there may have been a language issue- in any event he certainly didn't completely understand the subtleties of his duties and dumped all the lime he had into the tank in one go. The next train along was, "whitewashed from one end to the other" and stopped at the earliest opportunity with a tender full of sludge. Another speaker told of his father driving a freight train with a fireman who saw fit to use the scoop (operating the water scoop as needed was the fireman's job) apparantly with no regard to the fact that the water tank must already have been quite full. The driver became aware of this a moment later when he look back along the train and saw that so much water had spilled into the first wagon that it was almost brim full with its load floating at the top bobbing around clearly out of gauge and threatening to slosh out of the wagon until the water drained away again which at least didn't take long. Whether the owners of the cargo noticed or objected to their goods having received a soaking is not recorded nor is the phrasing of any advice offered to the fireman on the correct use of water troughs.

  • @SOU6900
    @SOU69002 жыл бұрын

    I believe PRR and NYC were 2, if not the only ones, in the US that used water troughs.

  • @rmgilyard
    @rmgilyard Жыл бұрын

    That’s a very interesting and likely invention to happen on railroads at that age, maybe that could have been a story set on the Main Line starring Gordon, Henry and James’ boiler issues.

  • @ubernaffa
    @ubernaffa Жыл бұрын

    10/10 for using Hydrocity as the background music.

  • @graham2631
    @graham26312 жыл бұрын

    I guess this is where the idea of filling water bombers for fire fighting came from. Quite something to watch a Martin Mars scoop up a load. Took only a few seconds to load a few thousand gallons.

  • @KingofGamingAndTrains456
    @KingofGamingAndTrains4562 жыл бұрын

    I love how you mentioned the steam train as if it were a wild animal 😂😂😂😂

  • @iansinclair521
    @iansinclair5212 жыл бұрын

    The New York Central used a number of them for it's top passenger trains and, I think a number of others. Other US railroads used them as well.

  • @brucebigglesworth9532
    @brucebigglesworth95322 жыл бұрын

    'Ramsbottom - yond snake' - reference for the Harry Corbett Sooty generation

  • @Thunderer0872
    @Thunderer08722 жыл бұрын

    Everywhere except the Southern Railway! due to mostly covered with third rail electrification. Even the Waterloo - Exeter and Weymouth lines that were not electrified had no troughs , so water stops or engine changes were made up to the end of steam.

  • @MoD1982
    @MoD19822 жыл бұрын

    Awesome choice of Hydrocity for the background music ;)

  • @Ice_Karma
    @Ice_Karma3 ай бұрын

    Huh, I had no idea this technology existed until today!

  • @castrange
    @castrange9 ай бұрын

    I might be the only one, but I really love the fact you chose to use the Hydro City music.

  • @georgew.5639
    @georgew.56392 жыл бұрын

    The Pennsylvania railroad also used water pans between the rails. And they too scooped the water up.

  • @russell3380

    @russell3380

    2 жыл бұрын

    There was one near here (Mifflin County) on the PRR mainline, the stone water tank still stands, gravity fed.

  • @HedgehogOutdoors
    @HedgehogOutdoors2 жыл бұрын

    I don't know if snyone else has picked up on this yet, but your background music is from Sonic 3, the Hydrocity level. Very clever, using the water level music for this video!

  • @locoLocotrains
    @locoLocotrains2 жыл бұрын

    Really enjoy your videos :) Thankyou

  • @northern1369
    @northern13692 жыл бұрын

    Image even diesel power took over the railway and the water troths were converted to 'oil troths' , which diesels scoops oil along the line .>.

  • @tav9755
    @tav97552 жыл бұрын

    Smarter every day. I did not know that but it does make sense. Brilliant engineering. Thanks for sharing

  • @mileshigh1321
    @mileshigh13212 жыл бұрын

    Nicely done! Great railroad history too! I knew about the US water troughs but not the UK ones! Thanks!

  • @sydneymartin6941

    @sydneymartin6941

    2 жыл бұрын

    Replying to Miles High Due to our beautiful weather in Sunny South Africa We had no need for those troughs so we just had our water columns We had 10 minutes to clean fire take water and clean Ash pan Sometimes we did it in less time so we could still boil water for tea Those were the days What an experience

  • @alcopower5710
    @alcopower57102 жыл бұрын

    Never heard of this…….awesome information? Thanks for sharing 👍

  • @bluebellsfan8704
    @bluebellsfan87042 жыл бұрын

    This was awesome!

  • @elsbethhumphrey2048
    @elsbethhumphrey20482 жыл бұрын

    First time I've ever heard of this. What a clever, clever idea. Especially at that time.

  • @straswa
    @straswa Жыл бұрын

    Interesting, never heard of waterscoops before.

  • @RealAwooMachine
    @RealAwooMachine2 жыл бұрын

    What they should have done is offer free morning showers in the front coach xD

  • @floranhupscher272
    @floranhupscher2722 жыл бұрын

    ow my god, thank you for the hydro city zone tune :)

  • @Inpreesme
    @Inpreesme2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @lospereye
    @lospereye2 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating!!

  • @vincentstuer
    @vincentstuer2 жыл бұрын

    Apparently there was a more complicated version of this in France with it filling a small scoop which would then raise and drop of the water but I can't find any information on this other then what i remember from a french railway museum I went to years ago

  • @alessandro.calzavara
    @alessandro.calzavara2 жыл бұрын

    Wonderful, what a genius

  • @srfurley
    @srfurley Жыл бұрын

    Many early Diesel locomotives were fitted with scoops for the water tanks for their train heating boilers, but such use was short-lived.

  • @dondavidson3440
    @dondavidson3440Ай бұрын

    Question for those in the know. Did steam engines inject the spent steam back into the water tank? This practice does a couple things. 1. It conserves the water by re- condensing the spent steam back to water. 2. It conserves fuel by pre- heating the water in the tank, therefore not needing to raise the temperature nearly as much in the boiler.

  • @runarandersen878
    @runarandersen8782 жыл бұрын

    Never heard of before, thanks.

  • @Visionery1
    @Visionery12 жыл бұрын

    Short and sweet. 👍

  • @Im_here170
    @Im_here1702 жыл бұрын

    “Wake up babe new Train of thought”

  • @sheevpalpatine3351
    @sheevpalpatine33512 жыл бұрын

    The New York Central Niagara did this too

  • @G-Forces
    @G-Forces2 жыл бұрын

    I have never heard of this but I love it!

  • @KyriosMirage
    @KyriosMirage2 жыл бұрын

    Okay, now that's really cool!

  • @90FF1
    @90FF12 жыл бұрын

    Here in the U S they were called track pans. Someone sent this link to me. Now you have one more subscriber. ☺

  • @wildcatindustries8030
    @wildcatindustries80302 жыл бұрын

    The New York Central did this with some of their passenger locomotives with pretty good success from what I can tell. It’s not the worst idea but it’s not nearly as simple as people tend to think

  • @Raven236
    @Raven2362 жыл бұрын

    Ty for the info. Btw nice use of sonic ost

  • @memazov6601
    @memazov66012 жыл бұрын

    Love the vids keep it up

  • @electrohalo8798
    @electrohalo87982 жыл бұрын

    Ramsbottom really got to the *bottom* of the tender for his idea, must have been *Scooping* up all the ideas he could from the *trough* ill show myself out

  • @homefront3162
    @homefront31622 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant

  • @jasonfrodoman1316
    @jasonfrodoman13162 жыл бұрын

    I did not know this. Very interesting.

  • @1Nanerz
    @1Nanerz2 жыл бұрын

    New York Central had track pans as well.

  • @LobotomyTC
    @LobotomyTC2 жыл бұрын

    Hydrocity Zone is a nice touch. Clever.

  • @justandy333
    @justandy3332 жыл бұрын

    On an editorial note, be careful of the music you use. Its a soundtrack from a Sonic game (I forget which one exactly). I'm pretty sure that would be copyrighted material. I don't know that for a fact but it would seem very likely. I'd hate to see you have one of your videos copyright claimed. In other news, Im loving the channel and your content, very interesting stuff, short and snappy. I works really well.

  • @dylansmith1364

    @dylansmith1364

    2 жыл бұрын

    The game is Sonic 3 and the music is Hydrocity Zone act 1.

  • @szr8

    @szr8

    2 жыл бұрын

    I've never seen nor heard of any strikes or claims for 8 or 16 bit video game music. Plenty of channels have used it over the years, with any problem, so I doubt there is any concern here, especially with 16 bit Sonic the Hedgehog games.

  • @rogeralsop3479
    @rogeralsop34792 жыл бұрын

    Most interesting.

  • @tonypotts1644
    @tonypotts16442 жыл бұрын

    I never knew that! Very interesting.

  • @Trainlover-ki4vg
    @Trainlover-ki4vg2 жыл бұрын

    The US also used a different type of scoop later on, with the scoop being mounted under the tender and trough being underneath the train.

  • @calebc.2290
    @calebc.22902 жыл бұрын

    *Camera flash* What a scoop!

  • @Mart_7512
    @Mart_7512 Жыл бұрын

    I watched a K&L Trainz video about the 1938 20th Century Limited and it mentioned the Dreyfuss Hudson’s water scoop and how it works.

  • @jordanscherr6699
    @jordanscherr66992 жыл бұрын

    Cleaver, I like it!

  • @lrq7927
    @lrq79272 жыл бұрын

    Clever!

  • @jefftarwood4594
    @jefftarwood45942 жыл бұрын

    Well, I learned something new.

  • @southmainerailfan2781
    @southmainerailfan27812 жыл бұрын

    I like how you put Hydrocity zone as the music

  • @sadwingsraging3044
    @sadwingsraging30442 жыл бұрын

    For some reason I think an old movie had a scene in it of a train filling its tank this way. Great shot.

  • @davidbarts6144
    @davidbarts61442 жыл бұрын

    In the USA, the Pennsylvania Railroad did that. Jack London wrote about it in his autobiographical memoir _The Road_. He once rode right behind the tender on the Pennsy and got soaked.

  • @West_Coast_Gang
    @West_Coast_Gang2 жыл бұрын

    Nice

  • @geoffreyhobbs1548
    @geoffreyhobbs15482 жыл бұрын

    In the 1950s there were water troughs on what is now the West Coast main line. Although I was very young at the time I can remember that the sleepers under the water troughs were very close together and that the carriage wheels made a strange squealing sound when running over those sections. There really was a LOT of spray too.

  • @Nakosuke-75
    @Nakosuke-752 жыл бұрын

    Everyone onboard the train just pissed in the water tank every couple of hours

  • @abzzeus
    @abzzeus2 жыл бұрын

    A Dad's Army episode culminates in them parading beside one of these as the King's Train thunders past taking on water - with predictable results

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