Riley's console going grey and shutting her emotions out is one of the best physical representations of depression on film.

@ked49

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

@bluebaba9926

2 жыл бұрын

It’s so accurately described, the sadness stoping her from feeling or doing anything else and only sadness itself being able to stop it

@brandondickmusic

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but I think the idea is that once you are depressed you become a lost soul

@haxrex8

2 жыл бұрын

Facts

@alarcon99

2 жыл бұрын

This 👆🏻

Joy is the definition of toxic positivity. I always hated her, I’m glad she was taught a lesson in the end that sadness has an important purpose in our lives. It’s ok to be sad sometimes.

@finechinah

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@theoutsiderjess4869

2 жыл бұрын

I actually liked joy but i agree

@DeePeeZee

2 жыл бұрын

I agree!!!

@snowbird1381

2 жыл бұрын

I liked joy fine. We’re forgetting we’re looking into the mind of a kid, so yeah the emotions will be extreme in certain areas. Bet if she was a teen, sadness, disgust and anger would have taken over while joy and fear would’ve been tossed out.

@sayyidassons9332

2 жыл бұрын

@@snowbird1381 I'd say that fear being gone wouldn't be too ba- *Falls off of balcony*

I personally love this theory. I think it fits in with Inside Out so well and it works so well. Because Riley's emotions are just Riley after all, so the whole movie is about Riley suppressing sadness in order to make her parents happy. Joy is depicted as the overbearing leader of Riley's emotions, but in truth, it's just Riley trying hard to feign happiness to see if it will make her feel better. The movie is about her (and Joy, metaphorically speaking) learning that Sadness is just as important as any other emotion. And it's okay to cry from time to time. Don't be afraid to express your true feelings just because it would others happy, that's the moral. This is exactly I think this theory works so well, y'all. I think Riley is definitely a lost soul at some point because she loses her ability to feel any emotion or to enjoy life like she normally does. I seem to get the impression she develops depression in the movie, which is kinda like a lost soul. Good job, guys. This theory totally adds up.

@RGC_animation

2 жыл бұрын

Sadness and Joy are probably the 2 most important emotions in life. You can live without disgust, fear and anger is important but not the most necessary, however you'll be very depressed without joy or sadness.

@tmm4195

Жыл бұрын

@@RGC_animation They are important, but I don't think any are more important than the others. We need them all and as a balance. You can't really live without any of them. At least not happily and healthy. I mean imagine if you didn't have fear. You would do dumb stuff and definitely get yourself killed.

Personally, as someone with depression and anxiety, I felt lost souls are often people who are lost in their depression (and I think the banker isn't consumed with the need to make a trade, but because his depression is so severe he can only do what he thinks he's expected to do). The same with Riley, I always saw her darkness being deep depression setting in, but she finally allows herself to feel everything which prevents her from becoming a fully lost soul.

@RGC_animation

2 жыл бұрын

If only depression can be solved by some soul drawing a circle around you and just throwing you back in reality.

@sayyidassons9332

2 жыл бұрын

@@RGC_animation Actually it can. The problem is that people that are willing to do that for someone aren't common.

@RGC_animation

2 жыл бұрын

@@sayyidassons9332 I guess that's true.

This movie is great at depicting a major depressive episode. Thankfully she was able to finally express her sadness to her parents and they listened and supported her. During a depressive episode one can feel empty and can feel like they have lost themselves. It is like losing your soul because you lose your sense of self and it doesn’t feel like you can ever get it back. You definitely can get yourself back and even a better version of yourself because now you know what to do or not do when you are sad. Thanks for sharing this video!

@mimsycookiiess

Жыл бұрын

I agree! it's one of the reasons that this is one of my fav pixar movies; it came out at the perfect time for me, i was only a year or so younger than riley is in the movie when it came out and i was and unfortunately still am going through a lot of things! this movie helped me out a lot 💗

Burnout is seriously a massive concern for anyone and everyone. Even if you dont think its there, it may be, and letting it build at all makes it harder to deal with. Anyone reading this that this resonates with at all...there are people out there to help. You arent alone.

@loturzelrestaurant

2 жыл бұрын

HELP. I cant supress the Urge to recommend 'Some More News' and 'Forrest Valkai' when i see 'how' this channel here is and 'how' its Fans tick, but i also dont wanna sound like an ad-bot (duh)!! Anyone got Ideas?

@lahlybird895

2 жыл бұрын

There may be people out there but they're left behind paywalls which for as a concerns me means there isn't anyone out there

And Mom's primary emotion running her brain is actually her sadness, so I think she's used to suppressing her own feelings and unthinkingly presses that on Riley. =/ As someone who suffers from depression (I am in treatment and it is currently under control), Sadness is my favorite character from Inside Out.

@Anna-hy4sb

Жыл бұрын

Or Her Genes Passed Down To Riley.

@qdllc

Жыл бұрын

My favorite was anger.

@Kiki_Fox

Жыл бұрын

@@qdllc Feel better

@fangirl38

Жыл бұрын

As the child of a mother who suffers from depression, they tey their best but eventually it will get to you as well.

@s-viper1462

Жыл бұрын

Sadness could also resemble sympathy or nostalgia

I think it’s really interesting how the guy who was too fixated on his sales job (the example we get for a lost soul) look like what we’d call a “mid-life crisis” which is rather looked down upon and ridiculed - even though it seems like he’s actually reclaiming his life in that scene, and his joy in general. Really makes you think, I guess.

I am convinced the dunes of lost souls is meant to represent to dunes of the Duat in egyptian mythology. Like if your scales are unbalanced your soul gets cast off of the ship ( there's a ship in soul that searches for lost souls) and if you are lost to the Duat you might be considered...a lost soul?

@ElwoodBRICKS

2 жыл бұрын

Like Moon Knight

@GrabaCuppaPodcast

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElwoodBRICKS yeah

@SpectralArchivist

2 жыл бұрын

@@ElwoodBRICKS The Gods in Moon Knight are the Egyptian gods, so technically yes.

@mirazy4059

2 жыл бұрын

Acctualy, its probabli a reference to a “dark realm” in spiritism, I cant rlly explain bc im not spirit (and english is not my first lenguage) bu my friend told me about it

@person1813

2 жыл бұрын

Mooooonnn. Kkkknnnniiigggghhhhttttttt

Side note it’s a good thing sadness had the wheel on the ripped in half teddy bear scene because if joy did and she was laughing she would’ve been watched bc her parents closely bc theyd think she’d become a psychopath

@ked49

2 жыл бұрын

That would be bad

@Ilivepuppys

Жыл бұрын

Nah, kids find it funny to destroy toys. Than they cry because the toy is broken...toddlers are weird. You really cant tell when a child is a toddler about stuff like psychopath.

The only reason Joy drew a circle around Sadness was because she was trying to protect her from a sea bear attack.

@frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574

Жыл бұрын

LOL

4:06 I am so happy he mention video games in this context. Video games usually only get a bad reputation, so saying that it's not bad, just something you can be passionate about really makes me happy

Inside out is literally how first learnt about mental health

@tracyzimmerman7912

2 жыл бұрын

I have had Depression and anxiety for decades now

10 Years! As a lost soul myself the las 2 years you guys have lend a hand through a tough "almost-married" deep deppresion and i swear i hope to see a new video of you everytime im on KZread. And yeah, i WILL try Better help. As soon as i can afford it... Oh, btw THESE SOCKS ARE AMAZING

Another connection between the two films. The patches in Soul that each soul earns before getting their Earth Patch can easily be an allegory for the bases of each Island in Inside Out. The Islands of Riley's Personality are what the individual is passionate about and are "formed" from core memories of any emotion (and can combo into bigger and better islands throughout life), but I'm willing to bet that Riley's original 5 Islands are an EXACT MATCH to her "Soul's" first 5 Personality Patches. The Earth Pass is, as established, simply a desire to experience life and connect with it through our emotions... I.E. Inside Out's "Headquarters." The Earth Pass Patch (when first earned) lights up with glowing lines connecting each Personality Patch to the Earth Pass and each Island is connected to Headquarters with a glowing line. Also, more circles...

I think that it might have only become the intent of the writers once they made soul, as in they created Inside Out, and spun a few of the ideas in a different direction, and with the creation of Soul, they recontextualized and actively shaped parts of Inside Out that were left vague

You're a lost soul, when you've essentially zoned out of your life and are focused on the action, such as your art or investing. Riley was greyed out, becasue she was experiencing disassociation, which is a state where you disappear into your mind at the exclusion of your sensory information, usually in a time of emotional trauma (or during times like dealing with the aftermath of trauma, like people experiencing PTSD). One is due to hyper focus on something in your mind, and one is lack of focus because of your reaction to trauma. I can see why you got them confused, but they are almost opposite states.

@katulingamesandanamats8098

Жыл бұрын

That does make a lot of sense.

@katulingamesandanamats8098

Жыл бұрын

And another thing to add on from what I'm getting you are saying that Riley may have emotional trauma. What I got from the bord starting to fade out was that she was about to going to a depression why are you don't connect with your emotions. And trauma has been said to linked to depression. This might be outdated information or I heard it wrong but it does seem to reconnect what you're saying.

I always thought Riley was entering into the state of depression when the console was going gray...

@Donika691

2 жыл бұрын

You're not wrong, I think they are essentially linked, depression and being a "lost soul"

@iamcat1797

4 ай бұрын

Who said it isn’t both?

@gerrardjones28

2 күн бұрын

Depression feels like losing your soul so makes sense

I think there is partial truth to this, but overall I do believe that Riley lost her soul. I just think the way she lost it doesn’t line up with what the movie soul says. Soul says the individual is overly obsessed with something, but Riley’s emotion (joy) is overly obsessed with something; not Riley herself. I know that all of Riley’s emotions are apart of her, but still, just my opinion.

@jubinfinity

2 жыл бұрын

You could say she becomes overly obsessed with leaving California and going home

@agentwaffle1944

2 жыл бұрын

@@jubinfinity maybe, idk

@MumboJ

2 жыл бұрын

So maybe she only lost part of her soul? But since Joy was always her core emotion that's like losing the soul's brain?

@jubinfinity

2 жыл бұрын

@@MumboJ Given the loose connections we are working off of anyway that seems reasonable

@Konani_the_unicorn_queen

2 жыл бұрын

consider; 22 didn't become obsessed with anything, but became a lost soul

This movie always has meant so much to me. it came out when I was first struggling with my depression and has always helped me so much. I don’t care that i’ll be 21 years old, I will be going to the theater to see inside out 2

9:06 Yes, yes I have. I cried. A lot. Before we even actually moved. It was very stressful, and overwhelming.

@tollastales849

Жыл бұрын

I did not😅

I agree that she probably went into Depression after the counsel went dark. But an ego is only part of a soul. So she maybe only lost her spark.

Your theory of losing a soul when you lose all of your personality islands really makes sense when you consider that new souls can enter the Earth portal once they have all of their personality badge things (forgot official name)

Inside out is one of the most movies that really and deeply resonated with me. It opened my eyes to just how far my emotions can lead me astray if I keep suppressing them and not letting them out in the most positive way. Pete Doctor is probably one of my all time favorite movie director because of the themes that he addresses and the way he presents each theme.

Agreed. This movie does hit harder when you have kids and the meaning changes as they get older. I have a teenager now and I really felt a lot watching this recently. In a good way I guess since it keeps you in touch and helps you reach them during their periods of sadness (especially since the pandemic). Not that it’s only the movie but it does remind you that your child is human and you’ve been where they are. As simple as it sounds, it’s easy to forget sometimes.

@Ilivepuppys

Жыл бұрын

This movie teaches kids and parents and even childless adults (me lol) about emotions more, he was right that if Riley showed her sadness her parents could of tries to fix it, or at least know but because she pushed it down her parents had no idea what was going on in her head.

This was such a nice video, and I love how every pixar movie has so much going for it, especially if you dig deeper into it, and connect them to each other! (Also, congrats on 10 years!!)

I love this perspective of the movie! I enjoyed seeing how the brain processes emotions while also learning that it's ok to be sad sometimes.

I was like wait thats just depression and then i realised that it was the same thing- wow u guys are amazing

I kinda needed this video and didn't even know it. The themes discussed are so relevant in my life now. Thanks for the reminder.

Gosh dang it, I’ve been a lost soul for a while and just coming out of it Military kid too, so this movie hit me hard when it first came out, and hits harder and harder as I grow up

@tracyzimmerman7912

2 жыл бұрын

I understand this as well.

a brilliant analysis on both movies! About anxiety, obsession, purposes, emotions...the movies really teaches me great lessons about life and offers guidance, and are adorable and touching to watch at the same time😭

Thank you for this. I was hesitant at first to watch this based on the title but you guys have always produced great stuff. I have to admit I love your guys's Theory it makes perfect sense and it brings a whole new dimension to in side out

I love the dog dying line

I ❤️ the Pixar Theory and all the theories about Pixar characters you do!

I legit can't even talk about this movie without getting emotional lol. One of my favorites of all time, and yes, it hits WAY harder when you have kids of your own

I get J’s theory. Him and Ben are truly The Fanfic Experts. Aside from that, they are so creative with their videos, and really love what they do! Hope the channel goes on and on for years to come!

I love how when trying to get the idea out of the console, Fear uses a crowbar bc he thinks it can literally be ur end at anytime

emotional numbness is caused by when your brain realizes the emotions have no benefits. . the other people inside rest of your brain stops responding

a democracy inside your head or entire body .writes itself

Mate, I just had a brain blast! What would happen to someone’s emotions when they become fully aware of how they actually work, if that’s even possible?

After... A really long time of not being able to feel ok, not having interest in anything, after haven't been able to watch your videos because I felt like my console started to turn gray... I felt I was becoming a lost soul... but I saw this in Instagram and felt so identified with the content I had to come back here and here you J and I realised how much I missed you, the videos, Ben and everything... And maybe it's weird but I'm crying while watching this... Thanks for unintentionally getting me back to live... Thank you, you're really super, Super Carlin Brothers.

8:40 "It's no Rhombus"

I am still curious what island of personality would have formed from sadness core memory 🤔

I loved this video. It really touched based on a lot of stuff. Thank you!

Did anyone else notice in the still of Joy looking at the memory wall of Riley's first day in San Francisco that one orb (I think it was second from the bottom and to the far left) was already greyed out and forgotten? As someone with a bad memory, I thought that was a cool little detail there

I’m surprised how convincing this theory is! Very cool and unexpected movie connection! I also liked how the circle was brought up and it seems like a good supporting point!

This is a brilliant analysis. You have touched on some major truths here. Thank you.

This was a great start into the transitional of Disney & pixar

Riley wasn't obsessed with returning her old home. Anger convinced her that she needs to be there to feel better, to get her best friend, old school and old life back. Plus everything was going wrong in the new home so it felt like the last solution to save her happiness. So it's not that Riley became soulless, she became depressed and felt trapped. That's what the greyness and blocking out her emotions is.

@sayyidassons9332

2 жыл бұрын

You literally contracted yourself. Obsession is literally when strong emotions cause you to see something as the correct way to do something and lead you to hurt yourself or others to finish it. Becoming a lost soul is depression, as shown in both movies quite clearly.

@fantasticbirdblue

2 жыл бұрын

You literally described what her obsession is

Most of my childhood is sad memories i feel all emotions my positivity isn’t toxic it just makes me know I can get through anything

sadness turns into depression depression turns into suicidal now there's a dark thought for you if Joy kept pushing sadness away it would just keep turning into depression and then suicidal.

@ralik5578

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like that could be said for the other emotions too. Imagine feeling sad or angry all the time.

@ked49

2 жыл бұрын

If sadness didn’t help at the end she would have killed herself. That is sad

@ked49

2 жыл бұрын

@@ralik5578 anger would get you killed. The green emotion would make you alone leading to suicide. Fear you would be isolated

@Donika691

2 жыл бұрын

@@ralik5578 exactly why it's more healthy to feel a range of emotions, there are multiple of them for a reason. Only ever feeling one or two emotions, and pushing away the rest, no matter which ones, is simply unhealthy.

wow, a deep analysis of Inside Out contextualised with Soul is so wild for me. I was the same age as Riley when the film came out. It was the first thing I saw that got me to deeply think about films and myself and my mental health. I would not be nearly as happy now if Inside Out didn't teach me about sadness.

Great theory! Never thought about this B4

I love how the yellow sponsor line goes fast at first and then takes longer to decrease. Nice trick xD

I love the scene when Joy lets Sadness touch the core memories, and you see them get mixed. I thought that the blue and yellow ones were "Tears of Joy" which are kind of bittersweet. An example for me would be memories of my Grandparents. They are joyful, but also sad because I miss them.

I always thought it was showing how depression is as you stop caring or feeling any emotion the things you used to love no longer matter you just dont feel anything at some point

@Donika691

2 жыл бұрын

I think those two things are linked, depression and obsession can both lead to being a lost soul so both are true.

I love this theory so much!

I love your videos!

no offence but id stop getting sponsored by better help. multiple people, including myself, tried them out and when we canceled they charged us $234. I had to harass them to get my money back.

Inside Out is actually my favorite Disney movie because it is the one I most relate to. As someone who has struggled with anxiety, depression, bipolar, and other mental health issues, the movie really feels like a representation of what I sometimes go through in day-to-day life. Not just fighting with my emotions, but fighting with other sides of me that want to be expressed in their own ways. Sometimes when you can't express them the way you want to or the way they want to, it makes you feel lost or broken and it feels like nothing you can do can fix anything. I sometimes wonder if Riley has more than just anxiety in these moments, but we would never know until she grew up and we see a possible sequel.

I haven't seen the new intro yet and it looks AWESOME :O

Sadness is totally my favorite character from that movie. She's so adorable and funny!

Can we all just appreciate how the director's name is Doctor? 8:50 "Have you ever moved across the country?" Me: "Yes. When I was eight my family moved from Florida to Washington state...which is about as far as we could have moved while still being in the same country...and not going to Alaska or Hawaii." ...my dad has even joked that when we were in FL, if we lived any farther south, we would have been in the ocean. 🌊

Love this channel ❤️

Thank you for having the yellow line there you show me when the ad better help it’s over oh my God I just lose my mind not knowing when the ads gonna be over this helps my mental anxiety so much more than you actually being sponsored by better help I hope other KZreadrs do this it just it just helps my emotions so much

First of all, I love this channel but Riley more likely had depression she probably didn't lose her soul.

@Thatpianoguy462

2 жыл бұрын

@Bluejay Productions It more likely was depression is losing the ability to feel not being sad

@Bigjess2you

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair it may feel like you are losing your soul in that state.

@gildedbear5355

2 жыл бұрын

I dunno, as a person who suffers from depression, it feels like depression could easily be seen as being a lost soul. Depression IS, after all, often being disconnected from life. Or at least includes it, or tends to cause it.

@Thatpianoguy462

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bigjess2you that is a good point I've had depression but I wasn't obsessed with anything I just couldn't do anything.

@stinegregersen6553

2 жыл бұрын

I think being a lost soul is depression. I’m suffering from it currently (yay) and I deffo feel like a lost soul. There’s probably more than one way to become a lost soul in the Pixar universe, other than being obsessed with something :0

Love your videos!

Why can't you just be satisfied with the consensus that Riley was simply depressed? Like not everything needs an explanation, When you're depressed you stop feeling anything.

Man these videos explain my mental confusion

Joy is the “bad guy” of Inside Out.

@Donika691

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, but that isn't a reason to hate her character, not saying you said that since you didn't, I'm saying I've seen other people say it. People hate her so much while forgetting that's it's the point of the entire plot and her character development that she is the cause of the conflict, not out of malice but of ignorance and denial.

i remember reading on the inside out wiki that the grayness is from an unseen antagonist named Gloom who was created because of Sadness not really being able to help and Gloom made the idea bulb the one that made her try to runaway and the grayness effect and his plan was to take over Riley's mind.

guys i gotta say, that BOom sound with the 'thanks for subscribing' card, is really annoying. its usually way louder than the previous sounds, it comes out of the blue, it blows up my speakers because of the volume and it startles me something bad if i have it over headset.

How would you explain how the core memories created in/by life dictate personality when we see personalities being assigned before life in Soul?

@sayyidassons9332

2 жыл бұрын

Core memories don't dictate personality, per se. I mean, having an embarrassing memory of school didn't turn Riley awkward, did it? The badges from soul are basic traits, while the islands of personality are basically manifestations of things that Riley likes doing or thinking about, with the basic traits usually having something to do with WHY she likes those things. A caring and loving and extroverted soul would have a stable family island in all likelyhood, but the memories of being with the family can keep you from expressing those traits, or encourage it.

That is a very good theory like it kind of reminds me of the montage of 'Up'. I definitely believe that these two movies are in the same universe.

Love your video man

I just had to share that, the movie where the dog died here in Brazil is translated to the movie where the little lions dad died “the lion king”. And I love that 😂😂

This was really cool.

Wow, this video was just... amazing 👏

Her soul didn’t leave her, I think it’s just called depression.

@sayyidassons9332

2 жыл бұрын

That's literally the same thing.

@Ilivepuppys

Жыл бұрын

Its made to make "depression" more easily to tell a kid, these movies are really are the best for kids to watch because it really can make them understand themselves and people around them or even their own parents better, since kids may even forget their own parents have emotions and feelings.

Happy 10th year anniversary! Another great video.

Great theory makes perfect sense

As someone with ADHD I wonder if hyper focus is connected to the zone

This is a good video, more people should watch it

This video just makes me desire more Pete Doctor Pixar movies

hello nice video keep it up I had been watching since 2016.

Just imagine Pixar just comes out and says “yeah, Pixar theory doesn’t exist lol”

These Videos are so interesting

Funnily enough, Initial D touches on this theme despite being about street racing. When Takumi is racing Kyoichi Sudo, he becomes unable to grasp the concept of losing to the extent that he blows his beloved car's engine.

congrats for 10 amazing years!

22 and Inside Out is my favorite movies of the Pixar universe. Also Wall-E, Ratatouille and up are also up there.

My 3 year old twins, love your video's. I watch the Harry Potter video's. They watch your Pixar video's. Thank you for everything you do

The circles acting as gates / borders from Soul, Turning Red, and Inside Out make me think of the Borderline skill from the anime Noragami. The connection between the two concepts being that the drawn lines form defined borders that connect or separate souls between to areas.

Getting Lockheart vibes from "see our published works" haha

No way!!! 10 years!!! That's awesome!!

Inside Out definitely hits hard after becoming a parent.

It's because Riley is going through puberty, it's the transition between childhood and teenage hood. She gets a new HQ to adjust her now becoming a teenager.

I’ve been watching you guys since I was in high school 😢 now I’m graduating college !

The idea that Riley briefly became a lost soul is an interesting theory, and the fact that Pete Doctor directed both Inside Out and Soul really helps to make it that much more possible.

I was actually thinking something along the lines of this.

Am I the only one that's gonna point out that was a cube, not a rhombus?!?!