What a great company! If I needed an EV conversion, without any doubt I'd contact you 👏👏👏

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

@kylereese4822

6 ай бұрын

@@ElectricClassicCarsWaiting for a Hummer or Humvee to roll up for a conversion...

Great stuff, I learn something every week on this channel.

The important bit about the HVIL (High Voltage InterLock) system that whilst it looks to be in parallel with the MSD, is that the contacts that carry the HVIL signal (typically a low votlage bi-polar PWM signal chosen for its spoofing resistance) always are broken BEFORE the main HV DC contacts. All the orange colours HV connectors have an HVIL, so if anyone was to disconnect an HV connectorwhilst the system was live (HV active) then the HVIL circuit breaks first, which gives a short amount of time for the system to drop all currents to zero and carry out an active discharge (v. rapid and normally done by the traction inverter) that brings the dc bus voltage down below 60v in less and 1 second. You'll also note all these connectors are finger safe, ie even when disconnected it is not (easily) possible to physicaly touch one of the conductors within that open connector. This is also why most HV connectors have a "double lock" type latch, were you must first press a seperate tab to unlock the over-latch lever and then move the lever to actually drive the two halves of the connector apart. This is done because this sequence cannot be done in less than one second and hence allows that critical time for the system to safety de-energise the HV system even under this worst case condition. On production EVs, if the HVIL is broken for any reason (wires cut, connectors open, fire brigade cut loop er, cut, or MSD removed) then it cannot be reset without a factory scan tool or similar (all systems are legally reqired to not auto-reset ie once broken some additonal steps must be taken to re-enable the HV systems, beyond simply re-connecting the broken HVIL itself)

Great vid, lots of interesting info, thanks

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

And knowing is half the battle

Well done. Now if we can only overcome FUD from the media. :-) BTW I'm still waiting to be able to convert my 2004 Landcruiser Sahara to electric and be able to tow 3 1/2 tons of caravan 400 km 250 miles. on one charge. 🙂 Jim Bell (Australia)

Thank you Richard for your lucid explanation of what's engineered in EVs to ensure safe motoring and servicing - fascinating stuff. I had no idea that all these safety measures were in my EV!!!

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

If I ever visit the UK again I'm absolutely booking a visit to your shop haha.

Great info, well presented… all of the 👍🏻👍🏻❗️

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

Thank you! 👍

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

Cheers 👍👍

Thanks Richard. Something to bear in mind for an ordinary wire fuse, such as the one you find in a domestic mains plug or supply input is that it is rated for 1 hour duration at the specified current, and that for every 5% increase over that, it's endurance is halved. So for a 13 Amp fuse it will blow after roughly 60 minutes, but it will withstand 16.9 Amps for 1 minute and 20.8 Amps for 1 second. Likewise, a 10 Amp fuse is designed to fail after 60 minutes at 10 Amps, 1 minute at 13 Amps and 1 second at 16 Amps. Fast blow, or quick blow fuses are specified differently. This is a fundamental physical limitation of most non-electronic wiring, and even things like filament lamps or motor windings. . So if you want an ordinary fuse to fail quickly at a specific threshold current, it's better to have a quick blow fuse, but even better to have a mechanical or electronic fuse, otherwise a delicate semiconductor circuit can be overloaded seriously for several seconds, and probably destroyed within that time delay..

Your videos are simply brilliant and very important for dispelling the prejudices against electric cars!🙂👍👍👍

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

Thanks. That was always the plan 👍😀

Really educational and instructive video. Thank you. Unfortunately the haters will still make stupid comments regardless and indeed I have seen one already. There is unfortunately no way to cure "hard of thinking".

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

Thanks. 👍👍😀😀

This was really good safety regulations in use. Thanks! 👍💪✌

Another very complicated subject explained in simple language. Thank you Richard. If you were teaching EV Technology at a college, there would be a waiting list for places. 😂

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍👍

Thanks always the best, cheers to the team. :)

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍👍

I think we all unanimously agree, its over due for an update on your Beetle race car 😉

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

I agree

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

Coming soon as we can find a dry piece of tarmac 👍👍😬😬

@James_T_Quirk

6 ай бұрын

I Agree the Race Car formally known as Buffy, should make a Appearance !!

Our Nissan leaf was very safe.

@waterboy8999

6 ай бұрын

Was?

@sspence65

6 ай бұрын

@@waterboy8999 traded it. It was getting old and rusty.

Great content and video as usual. I look forward to more informative EV content and fabulous builds in the new year. Cheers!

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

Thanks. Plenty more planned for 24👍😀😎🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

Brilliant, Thanks for explaining is such an easy to understand way. You need to get to schools and colleges and teach kids about electrics.. :)

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

Cheers. Moggy isn’t allowed near schools. 😂😂

I hope at some point you guys do a kei car conversion!

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

That would be cool. 😎👍

Richard, I would like to hear more about the system you use for current leakage monitoring. Is this something that can be bought off the shelf like bms systems?

Cheers guys

Hmmm. Thanks guys for more food for thought.. My background was originally Electronics engineering... However nowadays I'm in the 'simpler' ranks of Fire brigade. I'm constantly struggling with the utter crap that training are putting out as a package on the potential hydrogen gas explosion from electrolyte and the carry on they are doing around battery fires. To my knowledge, here in Aus. we have had one truck battery fire that I know of so far.... what a joke. I would love to correct the narrative for training packages, but I'm absolutely disgusted by the pathetic management we have in our fire service here. I would love to put some of this video into a training package, but even just using the words 'leakage' would be misconstrued by these knuckleheads as a fluid leak and poisonous. I just don't have the energy myself anymore to bother with it. .

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

Totally agree. I think there’s a lot of fear around change but I think the constant obsession of social media and conventional media on sensationalism is to blame too.

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

I’ve seen similar ‘over the top’ and ‘without any real evidence to back up the fears’ narrative pitched by insures and fire professionals over here too. Let’s hope they start to see sense and stop following the press FUD. 👍👍

Hey Richard. Love your work 👍

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

Hey, thanks

Great video on the component electrical protection devices, could you do one on the human aspect such as protection against direct and indirect contact say following a battery short to metal body occurrence as with 400 to 800v it is something I am interested in, Thanks

Another great video, I wonder what your take of the jaguar ipace is?

Do a video on how to repair that VW battery pack👍 Also do you realise that if the car manufacturers actually made cars that were built to last and be easily repairable that the production emissions of most vehicles could be dramatically reduced. At least you are recycling older vehicles.

Most of the safety systems? What safety systems don't you install in your amazing builds?

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

We install all of the safety systems covered, not sure why I said ‘most’. 😆😉👍

@beinghappy1312

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, that sounded strange@@ElectricClassicCars

Where's the Ferrari track test guys. Ferrari, Ferrari, Ferrari!!!!????!!! 🏎

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

Coming soon 👍👍

Wow. Lots of great learning in that video. Well done.

The BMS is much different on this than on low voltage batteries. On a bicycle or scooter battery that is below 70v the bms is just something that connects a resistor if a cell voltage is high. So if that resistor fails then the BMS doesn’t work. Newer low voltage bms system have Bluetooth. Which allows you to actually see the voltage of each cell which is fantastic because you can monitor the health of a battery over time that way. The BMS on a high voltage system like a car is much different. It can not only see the voltage of each cell it takes that information into a computer or micro controller and makes decisions on the voltages it sees. If one cell is getting to high it can stop charging until it pulls that battery voltage down. If one cell is extremely out of wack it can sometimes disconnect that cell. Or it recalculates what the total cell voltage should be. The mistake he made calling a BMS a building management system actually makes sense. If you have been working on a building the BMS on a high voltage car is much more like a building system than it is like a low voltage bms. This is one of the big reasons EV batteries last decades and phone and laptop batteries don’t.

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

I used to work in the Building Management Systems industry for many many years, hence the slip. 😆😉👍

@ecospider5

6 ай бұрын

That makes a lot of sense

Super Clever stuff Richard , Well worth a watch here 👍👍💯💯

Cheers for these vids, gives a better insight. Are those cells 12s? At under 3v per cell, they're defo toast 😳. Just fitted that exact type of inertia switch, to the fuel pump relay of my injection engine swap, not just for Electric cars..😁👍

Fwiw Ive heard CATL blade batteries dont burn even when punctured. 😊

Are there any manufacturers/setups that use some kind of automatic extinguisher system (foam or smiliar) inside/around the battery?

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

Like a sprinkler system in a petrol powered engine bay I just don’t think the % of vehicles that encounter a fire (petrol, diesel or electric) justify such a system.

@1d2a3d4d5i6o

6 ай бұрын

Yes they are easy to see they have a 200 gallon water tank on their roof.

That was 'positively' (😉) fascinating, Richard - thanks, pal...! 😎

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

👍👍👍👍

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

Very welcome

Couldn't the switch just flip a breaker that can later be reset instead of severing an expensive fuse?

Whilst watching this video I had a thought and was wondering if it is something you'd ever considered before or would consider in the future. I was thinking, how about making a small scale model of an electric vehicle, for the purpose of a video such as this one? It could be done in one of a few ways, including a cutaway model. one that shows the innards or one that is like a normal rc vehicle, where you can simply take the body off to show all the components underneath. I watch a few channels on KZread where people make models of cars from magazine publications and the majority of those are in 1/8 scale and so I wad thinking that would be a good minimum size for an ev model. All you'd need to do once the vehicle model was complete is to decide how to operate it, such as with an rc remote or one that resembles a dashboard with pedals, to illustrate how all the components work together.

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

We prefer the full size real thing 👍😀

@TheKnightsShield

6 ай бұрын

@@spudproductions7606 Fair enough, t'was but a thought.

@MrAdopado

6 ай бұрын

I'm struggling to understand what a model could demonstrate more effectively than pointing things out on a real EV.

@TheKnightsShield

6 ай бұрын

@@MrAdopadoProbably better to not think too hard about it, you'll only get a headache. 🤣 In all seriousness, the idea is to have a simple tool that can be used to show the simplicity of how an ev works using something that is just smaller.

You said most ! so what bits of the aforementioned safety system’s don’t you fit? 😊

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

I don’t know why I said most, we fit them all. 👍

HI Richard, are the two thin cables coming out the service disconnect devise what are also called a ‘Cut Cord?’ Confusingly, but the name, you can pull out them rather than cutting them?

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

They are part of the HVIL circuit. 👍

Does the pyro fuse have the same sensitivity as the airbag system so that if you are in an accident that triggers the airbags it will also trigger the fuse?

That's a lot of safety systems.

A fair while ago now I was looking at diy EVs and they used contactors(like big relays designed for high voltage and current from my understanding) to break the pack up into non lethal modules, these were joined on startup by the 12v system, I think this is somewhat still the case breaking into modules? The inertia switch would then switch off the feed to the contactors in the case of an accident. Which gets to the question of why the phyro fuse was necessary? Were the contactors only designed to work with little or no current flow? Was a backup required? Or is pack design changed so it's no longer feasible?

@maxtorque2277

6 ай бұрын

Contactors have a (relatively) limited breaking capacity (typically around 3,000 to 5,00 amps) compared to a proper HV rated fuse (typcial 20,000 amps breaking! We need both. The contactors are the primary functional disconnect and are used during normal process to isolate the DC+ and DC- of the battery (HV battery potential is NOT referenced to chassis / ground). This occurs at normal key off ie when you stop driving the vehicle, or when the SRS triggers (ie a crash large enough to cause an airbag or restraint system to fire). The contactor must be able to carry the full rated current of the powertrain, typically between 500 and 1,000 amps for most EVs, but it cannot be easily rated to carry the full short circuit current nor to be able to break that current (not without getting impactically large and costly anyway) So, we still have a HRC (High Rupture Capacity) HV fuse in the battery. That fuse is capable of breaking the enourmous short circuit currents that a modern low resistance Lithium battery can drive through a short circuit. As mentioned in the video, Telsa replace the passive thermal fuse with a pyro fuse for two main reasons: 1) The ability to irreversably isolate the HV traction battery in the event of a significant crash, irrespective of the current being carried at the moment of the crash 2) The ability to use software instead of a physical thermal impedance and an electrical resistance to set the fusing current. For a conventional fuse, the miniumum guaranteed fusing current will be around 3 to 5 times the rated carrying current. Ie a 100A fuse, a fuse that can continuously carry 100A will actually require over 300A to blow it in less than a second. Currents between 100A and 300A are guaranteed to EVENTUALLY blow the fuse, but it will take a long time. This can be an issue for soft short circuits. Additionally, in a high performance EV, repeatidly carrying the full current will start to overheat a fuse with a sensible rating. Ie a 100A fuse is 100A at 25degC. At say 125degC it will have at least a 35% derate, ie effectively become a 66A fuse. By measuing the actually current, and triggering the pyro disconnect in software thee problems are completely negated

@arrindaley3714

6 ай бұрын

@@maxtorque2277 Thankyou for taking the time to write such a complete and thorough answer.

😮This is why i put my ebike battery on the radiator before going out 😅🇬🇧 🌨 ❄ ⛄

Why don’t you make a list of parts that you buy from Moser to assist people purchase from them.

Hello guys

The sound is very muffled on this video. I've just watched a number of videos prior so I have a good baseline comparison.

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

It’s maybe the echo caused from the workshop.

google/youtube went to great lengths to bury this episode!

Why did one battery pack bleed voltage to the case and the other didn't?

@ebb2421

6 ай бұрын

usually an electrolyte leak making a resistive connection to the case

@MrAdopado

6 ай бұрын

One was faulty and the other wasn't! As the module is presently wrapped in tape I can only presume they haven't taken it apart to investigate yet.

Hi Richard I've my eniro almost 3 years and I've never rapid charged it. Always charged on home charger.i know regular rapid charging isn't ideal but is it any harm to have never rapid charge.?

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

Not rapid charging your EV won’t harm the battery. 👍

No doubt they are very safe, but if they do catch fire they are incredibly difficult to extinguish!

@Hybridog

6 ай бұрын

Sure, but generally you have time to get out of the car if you are not injured. Another plus is you and your passengers are not going to be immediately enveloped in a cloud of burning petrol in a bad crash. Plus, plus, electric cars are up to 60 times less likely to catch fire than any other vehicle. Plus, plus, plus, companies have already developed and are selling specialized fire fighting equipment to put out battery fires. They work by puncturing the battery box and flooding it with water.

@AnonymousAndy2

6 ай бұрын

@@Hybridog I know EVs are much less likely to catch fire, but when they do you have a BIG problem! As it stands EV fires are very difficult to extinguish. I spent the past year working with the UK fire service and can assure that they are worried about EV fires, especially if they happen in a tunnel or other enclosed area. As for the fumes, the fumes from an EV battery are incredibly toxic. I’m not anti EV by the way, but they need to work on the infrastructure & methods of putting EV fires out quickly. I fear the consequences of an EV catching fire in a long tunnel!

@maxtorque2277

6 ай бұрын

There is a very important point that is generally missed, which is mostly, for all types of passenger car, car fires are NOT actually extinguished, they actually pretty much burn themslves out! This is because the time period over which a car fire develops is less than the time period in which the emergency services can mobilise, transit to the fire, set up, then extinguish it. For a ICE car fire, peak heat release (fuel tank breach + full developed cabin & underbonnet fire) occurs between 3 and 5min after the fire started. For an EV, if it is not a battery fire that started the blaze (and mostly it isn't, it's interior low voltage electrics, as per ICE models) there peak heat release actually occurs after over 10 min, because the battery has a huge thermal inertia and is housed in a fire proof metalic enclosure that is seperate from the BIW structures. The problem for all is that modern cars of any type have a huge heat release footprint. This is because they are made up of a lot of plastics and high calorific content materials. Modern cabins are quiet, comfortable and safe (in a crash) because of this, but it means a car fire than develops releases a huge amount of heat. That heat is what then spreads the blaze (and here, ICE get another black mark because their liquid fuel tends to run out of a breached tank (diesels are actually worse for this as the fuel has a much higher latent hea or vapourisation) and run onto the ground and away from the burning vehicle whilst still on fire. This is particualrly bad in things like multi-story car parks where the storm/fire water drains then act to carry this flamming fluid sideways and down to other levels. So, yes, we can absolutely say that it's very hard to FULL extinguish an EV car fire (although several specalist techniques / custom equipment systems are now available and are in use by fire services) but we can also say that this simply isn't actually that important in the real world. Here, the only thing that matters is whether or not the vehicle suffering the thermal incident is close enough to other inflamable objects to spread the fire. If not, then in neither case is it much of a problem, if so, then unless you get very very lucky indeed and the fire service are litterally just round the corner when the fire starts, the fire will already have grown and spread before they arrive, and the original vehicle wil lbe pretty much fully burnt out in all cases (full heat release actually takes a similar amount of time, roughly 20min, for both types of vehicle as this is set by slow burning things such as the tyres and hard plastics / rubber components and paint / underseal etc

@AnonymousAndy2

6 ай бұрын

@@maxtorque2277 if you catch an ICE vehicle that has caught fire early a simple fire extinguisher would extinguish the fire. Not with an EV though. As it stands I know that UK fire services do not currently have specialist equipment to extinguish EVs.

@1d2a3d4d5i6o

6 ай бұрын

Hi Max you seem to know alot about fires in ICE vehicles and EV vehicles, may I be so rude to ask you where you learnt all your knowledge or have you picked it up off KZread. Thanks.

So Moggie, this is all very good as far as the battry installation/management but, given more than quite a few events of electric cars catching fire whilst on charge, for example lately at a German car manufacturer main dealer site in Swindon, what systems are in place for this ? Is this a vehicle systems issue or a charging station issue ?

@bst1623

6 ай бұрын

The Swindon Audi fire was caused by a technician not following procedure and was extinguished with relative ease, not the 'raging fire burning for days' kind of fire you may have heard about elsewhere.

@nomad6638

6 ай бұрын

It was enough to close the dealership though. But my question was directed to ECC. And the incident was not an isolated issue as I mentioned.

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

Just because an EV is charging up when it catches fire, doesn’t mean to say that’s what caused the fire. Lots of cars (petrol, diesel and electric) catch fire when parked, due to something in the car or a fault with the 12v wiring system. The press and social media has blown EV fires out of all proportion when ICE vehicles catch fire much more often and have done for decades.

@nomad6638

6 ай бұрын

@@ElectricClassicCars My question was about what system's are provided to prevent these situations within the EV itself. Why do people appear to take this as an attack on electric vehicles rather than a genuine interest question 🙄 But I have to say, from what I've seen, in real life a d not just the press, it does always appear to be the EV that's on fire not the infrastructure

@MatthewBrownUK

5 ай бұрын

@@ElectricClassicCars The worrying thing for me is that when an ICE car catches fire its mainly electrical and in the engine bay, but when an EV goes into thermal runaway its the power source that is the problem. We do not hear of ICE cars petrol/diesel tanks suddenly exploding for no reason! I love the idea of an electric car but i'm quite happy to let everyone else be guinea pigs at the moment. Hopefully battery chemistry will change in the near future to mitigate this obvious risk.

7:55 😆

Geely's Game Changing Fire Proof LFP batteries: 500kw charging, 83.7% density The Electric Viking

@rogerstarkey5390

6 ай бұрын

Are you engaged yet?

I love the Ferrari logo on the pallet in the back. When are we ever going to get another teslarossa update moggy? 😑 Thanks for continuing to share truths to dispel the ev fud that just seems to get worse yoy. 👍🏻 Have you seen the 90s Honda odyessey minivan now a plaid swapped monstrosity called plaidessey from boosted boiz by chance? I thought hey us Americans finally outdid moggy and ecc for a truly nuts tesla powered elktromod, A 1020hp awd tri motor minivan.😀

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

Wait till the ECC race car hits the tracks. 👍😀😉

@4literv6

6 ай бұрын

@@spudproductions7606 bugzilla, beetlejuice, lightning bug or whatever you named it? 😀

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

I bet they struggled with traction. 😆😉👍

@4literv6

6 ай бұрын

@@ElectricClassicCars it actually seems to dead hook since the weight is nearly the same as a stock plaid. Although it was wild watching them spin some awd smokey donuts in a grey mismatched ugly big minivan. 😀👍🏻 Someday soon the teslarossas you are building will be doing their own Smokey donuts to right? I want to see that 308gte y'all built against one of the new teslarossas maybe on carwow next year!

@4literv6

6 ай бұрын

@@ElectricClassicCars update it went 9.55@142+mph first time out at the track, with truly crap aero, no passenger side window, only 70% soc and no cheetah stance launch. I can't wait to see what the teslarossas can do in the 1/4. Maybe high 10s or very low 11s? 👍🏻😀

Cargo ship carrying burning lithium-ion batteries kept offshore of Alaska port

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

What on earth has that got to do with electric cars? Or are you trying to make some kind of tenuous link between lithium batteries not used in cars to fires? If so, that’s a real reach. Maybe you should also google “tanker fire today” and see how many of those have recently been on fire, but to try to say that all that fuel on fire was destined for a car is also a reach…..

Ooops, looks like you forgot to talk about how much water it takes to put out an EV/HEV fire compared to ICE and that currently there's no good way to put out an EV fire once the battery is punctured. I think a really great safety comparison would be to drill a hole into a tank of petrol, then drill a hole into a 12v ICE car battery, then drill a hole in an EV's lithium battery.

@spudproductions7606

6 ай бұрын

Maybe you need to watch our previous episode where we discuss the likely hood of EV fires. 👍👍

@MatthewBrownUK

5 ай бұрын

@@spudproductions7606 if you have every done a risk assessment you'll know that total risk is the product of the likelihood of something happening and severity when it happens.

Cars past 1990s started to get much safer at the cost of reliability due to so many more parts and different materials needed. A reason I will never own a new car past 2010 is planned obsolensense shit isnt made to last when it should be a reqirement to last at least 10 or 20 years. Batterys suck but electric motors are amazing.

Hi Richard I watch your videos and think in the future they will be the vehicles we will drive, you seem to know all the aspects and take pride in your work. But it seems other manufacturers are not up to your standard. if you watch this video ''Massive EV cement truck fire: official 'explanation' versus the facts | Auto Expert John Cadogan'' He highlights the dangers of Hugh J Anus these are trucks that are on the road and to date out of 50 trucks 2 have burnt to the ground. Instead of sticking up for these manufacturers which, if it all goes west will bring your business down, join the people that are highlighting bad EV manufacturers. At least Janus have admitted the fire was a Electric vehicle. But John Cadogan makes some valid points. You seem fantastic and I want you to succeed but with idiots like Janus putting unsafe vehicles on the road if the poo hits the fan all EV producers will be hit.

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

John is a KZreadr. He makes money from clicks and views. He knows he'll get a lot more views from an episode on an EV fire than one of the many diesel trucks that caught fire in Australia that week. Look back at his videos and you'll see his anti-EV episodes get a LOT more views than any others. He knows that, as do lots of other KZreadrs who've jumped onto that moneytrain. If there are truly manufacturing defects in a vehicle, be they petrol, diesel or EV the manufacturer will issue a recall. Like the millions of ICE vehicles that are currently being recalled because of fire risk, like BMW, KIA, Hyundai, etc. But I doubt if John will make an episode on that as it's not part of his agenda he likes to push or more importantly, he won't get as much money from it. www.independent.co.uk/news/hyundai-kia-vehicle-recall-cars-fire-b2420689.html

All of these systems are great on an engineered system. But this on a DIY system is not enough because a DIY system can end up with a punctured battery during installation or other physical issues that will cause a battery to go thermal. So the battery case it self needs to be able to contain that fire. I think there should be temperature sensors on every cell and an outside speaker. “CELL 5 IS OVERHEATING GET VEHICLE TO A SAFE PLACE THAT IT CAN BURN” or something like that. :)

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

There are temperate sensors on the battery cells. Our battery boxes are built to contain any issue like you mention. 👍

@ecospider5

6 ай бұрын

Yes I would expect your systems to be built to that quality. It was good that rich rebuilds battery box contained everything when a mounting screw punctured a battery. m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/aHplp8SSg5W5m8Y.html&pp=ygUeUmljaCByZWJ1aWxkcyBjYXIgY2F0Y2hlcyBmaXJl

Are the same safety features of the same quality in all the cheap chinese EVs rolling off the transporters in kent? Given the battery fires involving cheap chinese electric bicycles and scooters etc, and their EVs are on the market in increasing numbers, can we trust the chinese manufacturers quality control on electric cars too?

Quick answer not very

Driving an EV is about as safe as flying on a Boeing Max.

What BS safety sytems can not save a battery from a fire once started cannot be put out.

My biggest problem with EVs is how a lot of them are just not repairable. Get a dent and total the car. It's crazy. Not really a problem with your cars I think, but a lot of new ones are designed with no thought of fixing them.

@fjt99

6 ай бұрын

How is that? I think it’s totaled when the battery box in the lower center of the car is dented, but then the car has had a very big impact. I think it is more about the experience in dealing with repairs of EVs.

@ajosepi1976

6 ай бұрын

@@fjt99 Look into rear body damage on a Rivian. About $30,000 US for one quarter panel because the way it was designed. There is a plastic nipple on some Tesla batteries that could be fixed for $700 but they want to replace the battery itself at $26,000 US. With NO battery damage or impact to the battery. Look up Rich Rebuilds channel. He has a lot of videos on this. It's becoming common for EV companies to charge stupid prices for simple things. I worked in paint and body for a time. I know how to fix a car from the ground up and a lot of EVs have stupid design choices that cost a lot when time to fix them. True a dent in the battery is an issue, but that is not what I have an issue with. I have issue with most companies making EVs designing in a way that makes it hard, expensive or impossible to repair a simple thing.

@RealBLAlley

6 ай бұрын

That's all cars, not just EVs.

@ajosepi1976

6 ай бұрын

@@RealBLAlley I am not anti EV, but you are wrong. There is an issue with EV manufacturers being really bad at repair-ability. Granted all cars are getting worse, but EVs are down right terrible. Seriously look into it. It's bad.

@rogerstarkey5390

6 ай бұрын

​@@ajosepi1976 OK, lets have it. Name examples. . That's plural, and give proof.

Not as safe as everyone tries to make ut sound. They in fact are more dangerous than fueled vehicles.

@kevinmills5293

6 ай бұрын

Media frenzy really has fried your brain.

@stuartodell2828

6 ай бұрын

Yeah there not with 35 thousand ice fires there not as dangerous.

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

I’m afraid the facts don’t agree with your opinion

@stuartodell2828

6 ай бұрын

@@ElectricClassicCars it’s not my opinion the facts are 35 thousand ice fires per year with not even anywhere near a thousand ev fires if all these car park fires were ev’s you’d have to say fair enough but they aren’t I just can’t handle the absolute denial that come with facts.

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

@@stuartodell2828My comment was not in reply to your comment. 👍

At some point you have to stop and ask: "Just what is it that EV's are supposed to be saving us from?" There is one question that never gets asked that would expose the "climate crisis" for the scam that it is, which is "What percentage of the atmosphere is CO2?" The answer, never given in plain language, is that CO2 is currently around 420 parts per million, increased, they tell us, from 280 ppm in 1850. That's a difference of 140 ppm, or in terms more readily understood by the layman, the composition of the atmosphere has changed by 0.014% (14 thousandths of 1%) in the last 170 years. LESS THAN 1 THOUSANDTH OF 1% PER DECADE! How much closer to "zero" do they think it's possible to get? How gullible do you have to be to believe that this rate of change is causing extreme weather events, which have always happened and always will? Their claim is that this tiny amount "traps heat". ALL gasses dissipate heat and even if CO2 is an exception, the suggestion that a total of 0.042% can overwhelm the capacity of the remaining 99.958% to dissipate that heat is abject nonsense. CO2 DOES NOT control the global temperature, there is no "climate crisis". Wind farms, solar panels, heat pumps, EV's.. None of these measures are necessary, nor will they have the slightest effect on the weather. Eye-watering sums of money have already been wasted on this futile exercise. Time to wake up, stop throwing our money at these boondoggles and squandering the world's resources on projects that cannot possibly succeed as there never was a problem to begin with. There is no need to save the planet from a minuscule increase in the gas on which all life depends, but it does need to be rescued from idiot politicians and media mouthpieces that push this garbage.

@James_T_Quirk

6 ай бұрын

So @jerrypalmer1786 Nobody listening to you ? So you came here to sprout your Scientifically Disproved last gasp @ keeping your Fossil Fuel burning Planet Killer, moving ? or are you a Petrol Station Owner or just another Petrol Head that expects everybody else has to suffer for Your primitive polluting form of Transport ?, If Environmentalists are Wrong, we get a Electric non Polluting Future, if you are wrong, we are all dead when Planets Temperature keeps rising ...

@stuartodell2828

6 ай бұрын

So what you’re saying is let’s go back to smog ridden cities of the 1800 where you couldn’t see two feet in front of you yes that’s an absolutely excellent idea.

@ElectricClassicCars

6 ай бұрын

The Victorian age is calling, they want you back. 😂🤣👍

@MrAdopado

6 ай бұрын

Keep wearing your tin foil hat ... you'll be OK.

@stuartodell2828

6 ай бұрын

@@MrAdopado well from what he is saying we need more pollution not less so let’s go backwards not forwards then that makes total sense.