Arguably the most insufferable type of human beings are Instagram F1 elitists who proudly don’t watch any other racing, yet still slander them. Even worse is that Insta’s rage bait algorithm always puts their comments to the top

@joeogle7729

3 ай бұрын

I'd say twatter is just as bad if not a close second. But yes F1 elitists are a pain in the arse

@kinger41

3 ай бұрын

@@joeogle7729 I'm not surprised, it's twitter after all

@RizalBatheki

2 ай бұрын

Also on Facebook, with "I've been watching for 30 years and this sport is ruined! It's not pure anymore!" They usually brag it to who they call "fans via DTS"

2:20 Grand Prix wins: Lando Norris - 0 Pastor Maldonado - 1

@DylanJamesGP

3 ай бұрын

Yeah fair 😂

There's a Sky Sports ad that's been shown on KZread recently that I find really telling: It advertises the 2024 F1 season with the tagline 'Around the world in 24 race' and who are the first two people that appear on-screen in that ad? David Beckham and Anthony Joshua. Two celebrities from outside F1 have been given priority over the actual drivers who make Liberty Media's product run.

@albal156

3 ай бұрын

Fuck Liberty Media they are ruining this sport.

This year I unsubscribed from both Netflix and f1tv 😂. Only keeping the indycar subscription

YOOOOOO would love to see this collab with Indy content too💪💪

@DylanJamesGP

3 ай бұрын

Keep an eye on his channel ;)

@anniebanany3286

3 ай бұрын

Thats Exactly what I though when I saw the title

I don't normally comment on videos but I think its' worth it here. F1's demographics and audiences have evolved since 2019. F1 isn't the same as it was under Bernie. F1 has been accelerated quickly into modern day sports and entertainment and what comes with that due to DTS 2019. Celebrity endorsement will be a priority as it looks good for them to be associated with the very popular event and the event will want to show them as a vouch for "look F1 is cool!". I think this is a good thing as it brings more casual fans to the sport, growing it. Just look at what Taylor Swift did for NFL these last few months. Sure, I think it's a bit much to constantly show her reactions during the game, but also... I don't blame the NFL, she has a MAAASSIVE audience and pull. The result of this was insane viewership figures and the Chief's experiencing massive jersey sales and eyes. A net win for NFL that Taylor Swift is there. Miami... Totally fair, its an objectively POOR track. But to note it's a part of F1's expansion into the US, the glitz, the glamour etc and so Miami like Vegas will always be all about the look and feel. If Miami was a better track I'd feel better about that event. In saying that, the Madrid track from simulations look wide and raceable, it has interesting cambers and elevation, the hall marks of an interesting track versus very flat 90 degree street circuits. Madrid caught a lot of flack being its "another street circuit" but at the end of the day, F1 is a business. Madrid offered $50 million a year and committed to 10 years. Twice the yearly value of Catalonia. How? Because they know the economic impact on the city by bringing the latest, coolest, biggest event to their city versus being outside of their city, generating so much less economic impact. So the governments and private sector invested in it. Madrid also looks good because F1 is an evolving sport, it's being brought to the front. F1 wants the races to be accessible to all their new fans, the younger demographics. They want them posting it on social media, more views, more engagements. Look at me I'm at a grand prix race. Look at the lights, the city, the backdrop etc. It's all a part of the glitz and glamour and why a city race has more pull than a purpose built circuit outside of a city. Plus people are looking things through rose tinted glasses, Catalonia was an awful track for racing for 95% of recent memory. While I agree Netflix manufactures it's drama and storylines, they aren't F1. I'm not aware of how much control F1 has on that end product but that's Netflix making up drama. F1, as with all sports, would LOVE drama and storylines, that's what people come to watch, to invest their time in. Sports writes stories, the underdogs, the champions, the comebacks, the controversy. That's why sports is so great, because sports is story telling in real life in real time. So while I don't believe F1 MANUFACTURES their drama, F1, like all series, would love drama. (I personally don't believe Masi acted in the intention of creating drama, I simply think hes stupid, beyond stupid, totally incompetent as someone in a position of power and authority, especially when theres a binary rule book to read from...) What FIA has recently is 2022's recent regulations, the cars are more raceable, I think that's a great positive step. 2026 is exciting because we can expect shorter and lighter cars, less downforce, less drag to enable more racing. As well as new engines that will be a lot louder, stated by Domenicali who said the loud engines is a part of the emotion of it all. Another big positive from F1 / FIA. I think what's happening at the moment, is that F1 is evolving incredibly quickly, into its new demographics audiences which has come from a massive boom in popularity due to DTS. And I think this is extremely jarring for fans who knew the sport before 2017 as the sport is becoming unrecognisable from what they were used to. My argument to that is that F1 being massively popular, is great. More eyes, more sponsors, more money, our sport lives and thrives. More races, more venues etc. I can't talk too much on the sponsorship side because of NDAs lol but F1 wasn't exactly in a hot spot in 2017 for sponsorship selling. Whereas nowadays it's quite an easy sell. I'd always recommend INDYCAR to anyone who wants 95% pure bred racing, driver vs driver. But they don't have that high brow appeal which is what F1 will always have as their pull. Happy to talk and expand a lot more on topics, I do have a lot to say lol.

@loucopelosesportes

3 ай бұрын

I agree with you. You seem to be a guy outside the nostalgic fan bubble.

@Mull4geV2

3 ай бұрын

@@loucopelosesportes Thanks! It helps to have a holistic view as be a passionate fan as well as having the pleasure of being in the business. No one ever seems to ask themselves WHY they feel a certain way or WHY they have an opinion on something. F1 / FIA don't operate in a way to shoot themselves in the foot, I think culture currently has a very negative view on companies and their decision making. That the boards are here to suck money dry and sell at absolute maximum profit. Sure that's a great thing, but to get there they actually need to deliver something good and long term with a future.

The racing in 2022 on permanent tracks like Bahrain, Austria and Silverstone was noticeably better with the ground effect rules, sadly for 2023 they let them increase the ride height because one or two teams couldn't fix the porpoising and caused them to send air out the side of the cars putting us back where we were in 2021 with all the dirty air.

@superninjaracer9971

3 ай бұрын

Yeah. I liked the 2022 season better than 2023. I think it had better racing.

@superninjaracer9971

3 ай бұрын

Especially the start, that was fire!

@iancypes5911

3 ай бұрын

It was Mercedes who was doing all the bitching about the ride height.

Let’s go Indy!

I will say on a slightly unrelated note, the BTCC also have a drive to survive esc series called On The Limit and it's leagues better. It's much more grounded in reality and genuinely does feel like a fly on the wall documentary while still getting the emotions and characters of the series across very well. So yeah if you're a racing fan wanting to know how DTS should be done, give that a spin

@mintgoldheart6126

3 ай бұрын

WEC does so as well.

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

3 ай бұрын

The thing is though. DTS sells. Not to core and traditionals but it does sell to casuals. I don't give dts an ounce of my time, I haven't even seen the trailer but my bro who doesn't really deep motorsports much at all, will watch that over the actual racing. It's nuts to me but I see why they do it.

Popularity is what I am scared of for WEC and IMSA (to a lesser extent). As a sportscar fan first and foremost, the amount of manufacturers and teams racing now is amazing to see and watch and hope it is able to be sustained for more than 3 years like with LMP1-H. The amount of new fans is great aswell and it still isnt popular enough it is becoming mainstream (and part of that is the race lengths which I am greatful for, not many casual viewers can set aside atleast 6 hours for a race), and I am happy that it isnt becoming massive. I am not normally one for gatekeeping, but looking what F1 has become I dont want WEC to become like it. It has already started slightly with the Ferrari vs Toyota Le Mans BoP debate but it is no where near as bad as F1, and has died down now unlike F1s many controversies that get brought up in any conversation. The WEC fanbase currently is very nice and even if people disagree it is a somewhat polite discussion not the all out warfare that is F1 twitter (or F1X). The other problem is F1 fans think they are superior to other series (this isnt a new thing but has become very widespread over the last few years), not actually much of a problem with WEC and IMSA but IndyCar, Nascar, FE. With the whole thing last year about Max and Alonso maybe running at Le Mans, the F1 fans I have talked to about it act like they could just get in right away because they are F1 drivers except it would be quite hard unless they run full time in WEC. First they would need to enter Hypercar (LMP2 and LMGT3 don't allow 2 Platinum drivers in the crews). This comes with some problems, the teams that are likely to request extra cars already have drivers from IMSA, and while there is no guarantee the IMSA drivers get the extra Le Mans car, it is unlikely they wouldn't because they know the car and the team. The other option is just kick out the full time drivers, while Alonso and Max are big names, that is a great way to annoy sportscar fans. Also with WEC moving to 40 cars next year, the number of extra spaces for Le Mans is reducing from a minimum of 5 this year to 2 (maybe 1 if there is a Garage 55 entry).

@Mull4geV2

3 ай бұрын

I'm curious to understand your comment a bit more 1) What has F1 become to you? 2) Do you think WEC, IMSA and the ACO don't want their series to be popular? Considering that if they don't produce a good product, less people will watch and with less people watching, less sponsors and with less sponsors, less money which dries up the grid even more, to the point of the series being barebones / not sustainable. I think WEC is in a golden era, and arguably the MOST exciting motorsport for the next few years with so many manufacturers and regulation freedoms. I want to see the series get the attention it deserves. I wouldn't put too much value on the casual motorsports audience to sway your opinions on the series.

@maxb4085

3 ай бұрын

@Mull4geV2 F1 has become more about what is happening off track than what is going on in the races. I think I wouldn't dislike F1 as much as I do, if it wasn't for social media. But even then, the on track racing isn't that good, the season and races don't have surprises (this has always been a thing in F1), and WEC hasn't aswell either. Whole the racing can be alright in F1, the fanbase is such a big thing nowadays, it is hard to enjoy the series because of the fanbase, I have tried to purge my social media of F1 content but it is never enough and it just drains my love of the series that I once had. I do want WEC and sportscar racing to become more popular because I want to share the passion I have for the series with other people but I want WEC to continue growing the fanbase of fans who are passionate about the series and aren't watching because it is popular or the cool thing to watch. I want to see WEC grow because it will mean more races, to an extent, even with only 8 races it is 70 hours of racing while F1 is on around 40 hours if that a year with a 24 race calendar. Also as a student, WEC being less popular means I can get a ticket for a week at Le Mans for the same price as qualifying for my home GP (granted it is Silverstone but still).

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@DylanJamesGP

3 ай бұрын

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@matthewschuettpelz5548

3 ай бұрын

People don’t understand how good it actually is, glad you have realized

F1 has became NASCAR popular but alienating their fanbase examples Las Vegas Last season

@joh2434

3 ай бұрын

True, I don't car how good the race was the track was boring with F1 cars. Would love to see Nascar or Indycar around there tho 😁

@tylerensminger

3 ай бұрын

Ironically the Vegas race itself was actually not too bad.

@brandensimmons653

3 ай бұрын

@@tylerensminger race was fine but the weekend leading up to it stinks

@tylerensminger

3 ай бұрын

@@brandensimmons653 I 100 percent agree with that

@SharpeRacing

3 ай бұрын

And much like NASCAR, their chase for popularity will likely be their downfall.

Am I the only one who thought I was listening to FP1Will before I got transferred over to FP1Will?

@DylanJamesGP

3 ай бұрын

Most likely

Yes, there IS that aspect called Racing we are still interested in seeing. From Bahrain testing, it looks like a 2023 clone.

Just came over from Wills channel! Great video and you've earned a new subscriber. Always good to see high quality content from relatively small creators like Will was not long ago

@DylanJamesGP

3 ай бұрын

Ah thanks man appreciate that a lot!!

Are the celebrities that big of a deal? I don’t even turn on the race until a minute before it starts.

@GregBrownsWorldORacing

3 ай бұрын

Ditto

@tylerensminger

3 ай бұрын

They are becoming more of a bigger deal. Even on the broadcasts you have racing analysts like Danica Patrick who while has racing experience, never has been in an F1 car. Martin Even has tried to interview more celebrity guests on the gridwalk. The most egregious example was having Jackie Stewart try to get Roger Federer to be interviewed when Stewart himself would offer more insight

@iancypes5911

3 ай бұрын

TV Directors like to cut to random celebrities even after the race starts

@user-ff9er4dl6g

5 күн бұрын

@@iancypes5911 NO THEY DON'T

I’ve started watching motogp ever since last year, so far its definitely better then f1 has been in the past few years.

It’s hard seeing the thing you love evolve and change, not always for the better . Part of life unfortunately. IndyCar series was a giant in the 90’s compared to today, attracting the current F1 champ at the time. The people in charge, including the current regime screwed that up over the years to what we have now. Wish IndyCar had 25 percent of F1 attention.

I became an F1 fan just before DTS so I never really knew the sport any different than the media oriented side, it is a bit annoying but at the end of the day at least there is racing to speak of. I also watch NASCAR which I've watched since 2016 and for me that's like what you have with Indycar

"Americanization" is ruining the sport at least off track. On track, the current regulations favor expert engineers and no one is better than Adrian Newey.

@ZontarDow

3 ай бұрын

The funniest thing is American series don't even act like that so it's baffling to see it done to try and appeal to them.

2:22 You've set your standards way too high if 2012 is the benchmark for a great season

@DylanJamesGP

3 ай бұрын

Not really given that 7+ different race winners happens in other racing categories all the time

With the exception of the proliferation of DRS (what are we at, 3 zones and even 4 on some tracks??) and the addition of any/every oil-rich country to the calendar with tracks that look like carparks with added grandstands, you pretty much described my whole journey with falling away from F1, and towards the joy of watching Indycar racing. I remember how excited I used to get at the beginning of a race in the 2000s, even though there wasn't as much overtaking and had to put up with ads on ITV. Boy how that changed. I just wish Indycar would re-negotiate their deal with Sky F1, cause there's no way in a million years I'm paying for that just to get access to Indycar. Indycar Live for like $4/month plus a VPN it will have to be.

As a newer follower of F1 (since 2020, but without watching DTS first) I feel like I never got to experience to glory days (esp 2012). 2021 was a fantastic season but even that felt like a reality TV show at times with the whole Toto raging radio and the way Abu Dhani played out - and this is coming from a Ver fan. I guess WEC will get my priority from now on... With the way F1 is going about these days and with the whole Andretti thing it feels like it truly is becoming more of a entertaintment industry than a real sport.

@Mull4geV2

3 ай бұрын

What way is F1 going these days? It's got record attendance, high TV viewership, high digital audiences, more races than before and more money in the sport than before. I'd also put forward the argument that sports is entertainment.

@filipmilosavljevic8316

3 ай бұрын

​@@Mull4geV2 There's too many races for the teams, they were already at the brink last year (Aidan Millward made a vid on it at the time, it was about the pit crew and the rest of the personell having difficulties to constantly deliver when there's no breathing space in terms of time), the FIA and F1 are increasingly at odds with each other and it resulted in the Andretti saga which frankly made F1 look redicolous, the circuits themselves are increasingly becoming mediocre as well established classics are put aside for boring and tight tracks which don't allow for overtakes beyond DRS zones (I don't care about the whole middle eastern countries hosting - I have issue with how the circuits are designed) . While I am happy that finally people around me treat F1 as a real sport instead of just "something weird people watch" the fact is that they are alienating their core fanbase which is here for the actual racing - if the racing itself is good, it will produce stories by itself - despite the Schumacher dominance, the 00's were more than an interesting time, and the 80's , 90's and up to 2012 had more than a fair share of iconic moments. If a film like Rush were released today with the fame F1 has, it would have gotten way more attention and thus money. The best part ? The story in the film was based on a real story. You could have also gotten films based on the 2012 season, the Damon Hill story at Williams, The Verstappen VS Hamilton battles, the Brawn GP miracle (OK we just got that one lol), the Spygate scandal, the whole Moneytron F1 team story, etc. The core fanbase will stick with a lot of BS and domination periods - they are the real cash cows in the long run - not those who are here for the latest cool thing and will leave once they get tired for waiting for a tittle fight. The risk F1 is putting on itself is simple : the newer fans (like one friend of mine whom I introduced to the sport through DTS and watched the '21 season) are expecting '21 to be every season due to unrealistic expectiations set up by the scripts in DTS. A good portion will give up after a few years due to the lack of instant gratification - meanwhile those who stuck through the boring seasons are rewarded with a direction they like less and less. This friend I mentioned stopped watching after like 5 races of the '22 season despite the whole Ver VS Lec battles going on and with today's average consoomer not having enough of a attention span to care for the racing, they will just flock to whatever is out there after the hype around F1 dies (and there will simply be a moment when that happenes, nothing is trendy forever). Thus they are investing in gimmicks to keep them in, but it's only a matter of time before the hype ends (will be a few years I think - maybe just in time for '26 to hopefully deliver). It's good that the sport is financially doing well - but it's the investement and the direction that I have issues with. Also 24 races is to the point where I'm starting to not care about individual races - too many, simply put. When you had 16 races every one counted and the wait put on excitement by itself - every mistake was more costly and every point lost counted more for the championship. WEC has something F1 had 20 years ago - manufacturers. Sure, they come and go, but at least there all cars looks and sound different. There's a reason why the Group C was almost as popular as F1 back in the day - WEC appears to be learning from their mistakes. Again good racing produces good stories - take last year's Le Mans for example. I understand there' s domination periods and that's what happenes when it isn't a spec series - but mediocre tracks usually provide mediocre racing - I miss Portimao, Mugello, and can only imagine what Sepang would bring to the table if it came back. Simply put - more $$$ for the sport doesn't necessairily mean people will always be more invested in it in the long run. Hopefullly the 2026 cars deliver - on a positive note, there regulations are technically doing their job well - the field is noticably closer than it was before . It's up to the teams to catch up to Red Bull - at least they're closer in between themselves. As for any other arguments - the vid speaks for itself. I just wanted to put focus on other areas. F1 is not terrible by any means, but it's frustrating that it feels like they haven't realized it's full potential. There's no reason why there couldn't be more fans AND the sporting side and the entertaintement to also prosper. In fact, one influences the other. I'm not such an eliitist to say I want the newbies gone - I want them to get better tracks and better racing - and that by itself will bring more entertaintment. Sometimes, the news headlines are more entertainiing than the actual racing...

@Mull4geV2

3 ай бұрын

@@filipmilosavljevic8316 Hi, I agree the increase of tracks has put a huge amount of pressure on the whole of the teams, race mechanics and all. I'd like to see 2 teams of mechanics per car to help ease that. F1's decision for the Andretti saga makes complete commercial sense, the problem is that F1 never publicly published their full report which is totally self destructive. Their investigation, points, definitions and conclusions are incredibly fair and reasonable for their decision. Some tracks like Miami are horrible, however other tracks are great that are added. Which established tracks have we lost? Jeddah is an amazing track to drive on, the characteristics they keep missing out on are off-camber corners and elevation changes, something Madrid looks like it has and Chicago has said would be a priority for them if given the chance. I don't think its F1 or FIA's agenda to alienate the core fanbase, I think that the core fanbase is just of a certain demographic that doesn't respond particularly well to how modern sports and entertainment are produced and consumed. as you said it used to be what "weird people watch". Now those "weird people" are watching the sport get accelerated into the biggest thing ever, with everyone wanting to join in the luxury and status that comes with it. Agreed that stories write themselves with good racing. 2014 to 2020 I think was a miss on the regulations in terms of being able to race each other, only at 2021 FIA correctly nerfed Mercedes to even out the playing field and look what we got, probably the best season for a decade and THAT was a great story. But as I mentioned (here or in another comment chain, sorry I'm replying to a lot of people), 2022 regulations really went for closing competition and 2026 is going to be even more so, thats the FIA and F1 working hard to improve racing, not alienating their fans. I agree with your risk about 2021 being most peoples first year. DTS set them up for drama (not in F1's control), then F1 delivered the best season for a long time (2021) and has set a very different expectation than what we know to be true. Can you blame them though? Competition is fun, for most people no one wants to watch something where you know someones won. Hell I'm a die hard fan and I'll switch off if its too disgusting of a lead, there's an element of excitement gone. Sports can write amazing storylines but it can also write really terrible ones and I don't think thats a dig on fans that the story lines are terrible sometimes and they get bored, we can't always sit here and pretend that most races are fun, they're predictable. I can see the argument of 24 races not feeling as special as 16, makes sense. WEC is right in their golden era to produce exciting racing, but what they'll realise is that they'll need personality, drama, storylines to pull people in. Every sport is making their own DTS type series because they fundamentally understand that they need to drive those stories and show people that there is story to invest in. WEC could possibly create the best racing ever but if people don't care about the teams or the drivers, people won't watch, they won't see growth, or money, and then it dries up. They'll always have a core base but the series won't ever grow. MotoGP is a series that comes to mind when I think of a no-casual fan base, thats the core audience and HELL those audience and sponsorship figures are so small and low and I bet they want more. I agree Portimao, Mugello are both amazing tracks, but if they can't pay the big fee then they get left to dust unfortunately. I don't think the video is entirely accurate or at least comes from a heavy anti-F1 stance. I agree with you, F1 still has to reach it's potential. I think we're having these discussions still, BECAUSE Max and RB did too good lol. You know that last season is insanely competitive if you just delete Max. That's not RB's fault and as you said, F1 and FIA are working towards better regulations for racing, attempting to stop the dominations etc, I think we're on the cusp of some great F1, F1 knows that great racing brings great stories which brings fans. I'd say they're on the path to realise it's full potential, very very much so. (check out my other comments, I left quite a few as people are happy to chat to lengths on these topics so I've sprinkled my own thoughts everywhere)

The only thing worse than havingvthe same teamblose all the time is having the same team win all the time. And at least the "Good Old Boys" have some nest accidents.

Great video as always. I'm not necessarily a new fan but I haven't watched since the 2000s and i've recently rediscovered my love of motorsports again, and I absolutely agree with you on all of this. Even if "Drive to Survive" was part of what pulled me in even further. I don't really care that it's manufactured drama, I get to see racing and I get entertained and I have even learned a few new things here and there since I watched it. Also agree with the celebrity take, all the celebrities at the races I feel like its more of a marketing tactic for them. Guarantee that very few of them even watched a full lap. This will be my first season watching Indycar though and will be going to the race this summer near me, I have even picked up trying out NASCAR, I am in full dive mode right now.

@DylanJamesGP

3 ай бұрын

Ah awesome man great to hear! There'll be plenty of Indycar content over here this year so stay tuned!

The last time I was still interested in a full season of F1, the cars had V10s (a million times better than the overrated V8s) and there was a genuine title fight between Schumacher, Montoya and Raikkonen. IndyCar and WEC are far more enticing, exciting and enthralling these days than I can genuinely believe F1 could possibly be

The so-called "fanbase" is ruining the sport more than anything else.

Amen Dylan, amen. I once visited actual races every year from 2000-2014 (23 in total I think), gave up on it after the hybrids came in, it destroyed it for me. Last year I barely watched 6 races on TV till the end. 6. One driver wuinning 19/22 races on increasingly shit circuits is not a sport I watched every indycar race.

Yo @DylanJamesGP you should watch the Atlanta 2024 nascar cup series highlights. The race was on yesterday. And trust me it’s a banger.

Honestly even as a F1 fan who is not anymore watching the races it’s true

F1 is undergoing the same thing NASCAR went through in the 00s. Massive new popularity, expanison into “new markets” with less than stellar tracks. Trying to rig everything to get “game 7 moments”. Alienating the core audience and ultimately falling off a cliff once the mainstream audience had moved on to the next hype. Except the falling off a cliff part is still in the future and therefor preventable for F1

I started watch F1 around 07/08. I had to get illegal streams back then😂 Indycar was still my #1 but once the Mercedes era happened I switched more to Rally and Endurance. Red Bull dominated too but not like Mercedes. I’m not worried about WEC/IMSA becoming like F1.

In my opinion the day the real F1 died was ironically with the rebranding from 2018. The new logo was introduced, Netflix and a bunch of other stupid shit.

i watched like 1-3 eps of DTS in 2018 amd never cared about F1 again till like late 2020 when KZreadrs (Josh Revell, Dylan, and few others) got me interested i watched 2021 and was hooked instantly and tried my best to not watch DTS since id never heard anything good about which is what i wish more new fans did a netflix drama getting new fans interested isnt the right way to do it imo more KZreadrs who actually know the sport is a better way that way they arent mislead with fake storylines

Much like you I found IndyCar as my primary way to watch open wheel racing. There’s more winners, closer racing and they have the Indy 500 which is literally the biggest race on the planet. Also got into it because of a happy accident. My wife knew I loved NASCAR and I told her to get us tickets to the Indianapolis race. She bought Indy 500 tickets thinking that was what I meant but I actually meant the Indianapolis road course NASCAR race. So we went and now I love it

@saltyaphid3195

3 ай бұрын

Thats such a nice story. You have a good woman.

What you said at the start about being the "F1 kid" is litterally me

Great Video 🔥

@DylanJamesGP

3 ай бұрын

Thanks man!

I find myself watching more and more of other racing series since liberty has taken over yes 2021 was brilliant but there’s so much going wrong and the fans who have been watching for decades are being alienated by the list for more money of liberty not to mention the fan base can no longer have a civilised conversation without wanting to stab each other.

I agree. However Formula 1 is not "more popular" now. That's a myth and is only true if you are counting since F1 disenfranchised its core fanbase in Europe by moving the broadcasting to Sky. If you compare to when Formula 1 was on free to air then you will find it is significantly less popular now.

@Mull4geV2

3 ай бұрын

I'd say there's two schools of thought of defining popular. By F1 going behind TV deals, you're inherently slicing the TV viewing audience, but I would argue that you're cutting the audience down to real, dedicated, marketable fans. If you were a brand, would you rather 100 people see the brand (with most of those being light fans / light watchers) versus 30 fans who are die hard fans of the sport, love their teams, tune in every time, associate with teams and will go down the marketing funnel to end up as a sponsorship consumer? So sure, TV audience figures aren't as high as the free-to-air days. But I'd argue that there is a high quality audience versus then. You could also measure popularity in other areas, such as the price of sponsorship going up, or number of brands in the sport, or overall audience reach, or including digital audience figures in there to define popularity. As audiences nowadays consume F1 not only by TV, but by social media. F1 audiences are evolving and don't all consume the sport with TV. So TV audience figures completely skip these fans out entirely.

@barnigranero5882

3 ай бұрын

@@Mull4geV2 You're failing to recognise that for a lot of F1 fans, it was one of the few year long sports that was available for them to watch in full on free to air TV. So the "die-hard" fans as you call them would not subscribe to pay TV to watch F1 because the fact that F1 was not on pay TV is the main reason they were watching it and became fans as they could not afford the pay TV that other sports are on. There are also the people who are fans of F1 who simply refuse to subscribe to pay TV to watch it. I am one of those. I think subscribing to pay TV to watch F1 is betraying your fellow fans. If people didn't subscribe to pay TV to watch F1 then it wouldn't be viable to be on pay TV and then it would be available to everyone on free to air TV as it should be. If you are subscribing to pay TV then you are literally denying other F1 fans the chance to watch the sport live. Then there are also the people (hello again) who find the views of the owner of the pay TV broadcaster to be extremist, far right and racist. So will not subscribe to his pay TV channels. Yes this person has now sold the channel but he still owns shares in the company who currently own it. This is the man whose newspaper had front page articles on the day after Hillsborough making unfounded and extremely offensive claims about the Liverpool supporters. This is the man who phoned the Prime Minister the day before he was deciding whether to invade Iraq or not to try to convince him to invade. I don't think it is appropriate to be funding a channel like that. "Dedicated" F1 fan or not.

@Mull4geV2

3 ай бұрын

@@barnigranero5882 My comment is asking for your definition of popular and explaining the different ways of popularity measuring and the explanation of audience figures over the last 24 years. Your comment victim blames other fans, choosing to guilt and blame those who want to watch their sport, as betraying others. What a horrible school of thought. I watch F1, if you tried to guilt trip and blame me and say I'm betraying other fans, I'd impolitely tell you to go away. I'm here to watch my sport, consume it however you want but don't place your input on how I want to watch it. F1 and Sky chose to go behind a paywall to generate revenue. Sports aren't cheaply run, especially F1. It has costs, it's a business, entertainment costs money just as your food does at a restaurant, am I betraying my fellow hungry customers for paying the prices the restaurant sets to eat their food? No. Because there are costs to things. There will have been a % of fans that stopped watching F1 due to the costs of pay TV deals, this is inevitable, but the majority would have moved over to Sky. So I think you over estimate how many die hard fans of F1 simply got up in a strop and said nope I'm not paying for this. There are 2 ways for sports to generate revenue, free-to-air and charge an infinitely large amount of money for sponsors (difficult) or you go behind a pay-tv wall and sponsorship costs will be cheaper and more quality driven (easier). If you want to go to free-tv, I'm more than confident you'd struggle to find sponsors to pay the massively increased fee it would cost to plug that revenue loss. Politics doesn't have an influence in my world of sports, people spend too much of their lives angry and upset at the things they can't control. At the end of the day you lose the ability to watch F1, that sounds like your problem and you shouldn't make it anyone elses or blame anyone else for wanting to consume it too.

Arghhhhhh Abu Dhabi flashbacks 😭🤬

Well atleast nascar has everything to street circuit, intermediates, superspeedways and roadcources. Which makes nascar better

Tbh I knew it wasn't the same sport anymore when I saw a girl in Uni with a pc wallpaper of Charles Leclerc and then heard her speak about how she dreamed about getting f*cked by him Not saying anything's wrong with that but I find it hard to believe that fanbase is as interested in the racing and technicalities as some of us are. Well times change and f1 did as well. I'm forever grateful for what it brought to my life. But I don't think it's main goal right now is to represent the pinnacle of Motorsports as it once did. So I'm ok not being a fan anymore. There's other categories that fill in that place imo

I genuinely get more enjoyment from watching F2 & F3 than F1 nowadays

I agree that the racing has been bad but i have faith that they can improve it with the next regulations but we’ll have to wait and see

IndyCar and F1 are almost exact foils. F1 is popular with amateur fans, has all the prestige, engineering, marketing, and popularity (and price tag for the teams that comes with it). Speaking of teams, F1 is picky. IndyCar is popular among the hardcore fans, (I don’t think i know an IndyCar fan who only follows IndyCar), has a prestigious event, is a spec series, very conservative on marketing, slim marketing and not near as much merch, and then theres the teams. IndyCar allows anyone who can buy a chassis and engine

Verstappen is literally part of DTS this season lol. Nevertheless i agree with everything you've said.

@DylanJamesGP

3 ай бұрын

Yeah he'd previously taken a stance against it... Wonder if they offered him a decent payout....

Back when I was younger I was teased in school for being an F1 fan now those same people are probably 'F1 fans' too lmao

I definitely agree with this, it's good however as it's got many like myself to watch indycar, wec and series like formula e

@saltyaphid3195

3 ай бұрын

Formula e is so much better than people think

There’s also the fact that now f1 fans are thrown into groups.true Motorsport fans/ f1 die hards/ casuals/ f1 elites/ and the DTS fan. And the DTS/ and elites fans make f1 look insufferable because they are and do bash Anyone and everyone who doesn’t agree with them over anything. Your a max fan you get hated on. You don’t like Monaco your hated on. You don’t like the new cars hated on. You watch indycar over f1 hated on. You like nascar/ Supercars/ WEC hated on. They make the sport insufferable because from an outsider looking in they look like they’re everywhere and they make a uninviting atmosphere for everyone.

I was with you right up to the point of "respect Martin Brundle". Im a long term fan (early mid 90's to today), and i don't get why yall love that man so much

Well I m not gonna watch F1 this year since its not on free tv channel any more so yeah... Watching the highlights will have to do

Ok, so it's not just me who's getting disinterested by the sport? Good!

in 2021 the bandwagons/NPCs/Normies/basic people were treating every crash and contact like somebody got killed. Like bro, yall even seen the entirety of the sport? And i know they were those kinds of people because literally no one was acting like that before the pandemic (maybe aside from canada 2019). It literally made me stop watching for 2 years because it was getting embarrasing as a true fan to be associated with those weirdos. My new home when i stopped watching was NBA, which funnily enough has quite the opposite of whats going on in F1 right now. And 2 years later im now back to watching and although its not as prevalent as before, it sucks to see the new american fanbase bringing everything annoying about american fans. And even worse the media are forcing narratives into interviews just so theyll get that sweet shock hype that always gets into the american social media. Now the new "fans" are toxic to drivers and other fans mostly just because of the manufactured drama netflix put out, when really F1 has never been known to have beefs between competitors(except for max and esteban that one time), its not like in other sports where thats the norm and its what the core fanbase is used to. About the celebrities, i dont really think its much of an issue, since no one actually cares about the pre race lol. Also IMO whenever the FIA implements something, it backfires immediately.

MOTO GP BEST RAISING

im thankful that i switched to the WEC instead of manufactured steaming pile of shi.

Have a little patience. I suspect that the vast majority of people who only started paying attention to F1 because of Drive to Survive will likely move on to the "next new thing" as soon as there is one.

You must be pretty young because F1 is nowhere near as popular as it was in 2006 at its peak where it was about twice as popular as it is now.

the thing is, the majority of fans today aren't racing fans... they are mostly just casuals that want to kill some of their time and fangirls that desperately need something to be passionate about or they're people who like watching a tv show and f1 has become exactly that, a show... the sporting aspect is further away than it's been ever before, with gimmicky bullshit implemented into races to make it "exciting", but they get it completely wrong... the drivers are all boring as fuck, because they're just marketing tools now and most of them lived their whole live in this formula bubble without proper character developement in their childhood, because they're trained to be as uncontroversial as possible... most tracks f1 visits suck ass, most teams lost their identity their long time fans loved them for in the past, the rules are a joke, the new cars look fucking awful, new talent isn't brought into the "sport", new teams are not allowed into the "sport"... i could go on for ever about what's negative about modern f1, but truth be told, nobody cares... because f1 doesn't want to appeal to rcaing fans anymore and they never will be trying to appeal to them again as things go... i myself found peace in watching stuff like the mazda mx-5 cup, imsa and indycar (even though imsa is very difficult to watch as a non-british european) , because there you can still find actual racing, great cars and geniune characters... i'm done with f1, i used to be proud for being a formula 1 fan, but now i know nothing more cringe than being a f1 fan...

@maxb4085

3 ай бұрын

I say there are 2 types of fans, motorsport fans and F1 fans. Motorsport fans watch multiple series or atleast respect the other series while F1 fans watch 1 series and hate on other series without giving it a chance (normally come in with a fully formed opinion on what the series is like and only takes in the parts that fit their preconceived opinion- mainly Nascar, FE and IndyCar). I would also lump some Nascar fans in with the F1 fan grouping but they are becoming more motorsport fan especially after stuff like the Garage 56 and SVG. Also F1 and F2 are just the feeder series to Sportscar/IndyCar racing because of how F1 is nowadays,with 4 of the last 5 F2 champions having to wait atleast a year to get an F1 seat if ever.

@nickklavdianos5136

3 ай бұрын

Your rant raises a lot of questions. What 'gimmicks' are you talking about? The only one I can think of is DRS and that's been used for a long time. Why do you care so much about 'personality'? The only reasons I can think of for which you should support a driver are: A) Driving ability B) Shared nationality C) They drive for your team Charachter doesn't have much to do with it. The new cars looking awful isn't really a valid criticism of the sport, because it's a personal opinion. Some people like them, some don't. The teams lost their identity: Ferrari's still red and italian, Mercedes is still Mercedes, RedBull is still RedBull, McLaren is still McLaren, Alpine is still French as hell And the back of the grid teams are just advertising boards for the highest bidder. The only team that changed its identity recently was Aston Martin and that's normal because they changed ownership. The rules are a joke: Which ones? What's so funny about them? Should they go the NASCAR route and have no rules at all? Most tracks suck ass: Most of the tracks F1 visits are literally the highest quality race tracks in the world. At least 16 of them definitely deserve to be in F1. Again, you don't say anything about which tracks suck and why. I agree about not letting new teams in, that's outrageous. As for the new talent, they get in at a solid rate, every year apart from 2024 has at least one rookie enter. Given how limited the seats are, that's a solid rate.

Idk, all the crap around the race has never bothered me. People complaining about the celebs at Miami sound like petulant children to me. I highly doubt that DTS has made the actual racing worse too. If you don't like it, don't watch it. I haven't seen a single episode and I'm doing alright lmao IMO: Get off of social media and just enjoy the racing or stop pretending to be a purist.

@gabegunn3

3 ай бұрын

No one disagrees with you, it’s just that the racing is very clearly not the focus anymore. IMSA and WEC are seeing a boom due to new hypercar regs that brought in big manufacturers and have put on great racing. Strip away the fans and popularity and f1 is not the pinnacle of Motorsport anymore

@Mull4geV2

3 ай бұрын

@@gabegunn3 Can I ask how racing isn't the focus of F1 anymore? F1 holds status with it's long history. But also I'm confident they're the most advanced and technological racing series and overall fastest cars around the track, that sounds like the pinnacle of motorsports. If F1 isn't, what is?

@gabegunn3

3 ай бұрын

@@Mull4geV2 To your first point, from the media perspective it’s obvious liberty media is focused on the product of F1 rather than making the best racing possible. The racing itself is not the selling point of F1 anymore, just look at DTS to see that. As for it not being the pinnacle of Motorsport, the cars are undeniable masterpieces of engineering and unbelievably quick. But the crown jewel should let manufacturers show off radically different ideas and put them all head to head in close and intense racing. At the moment I would argue sports cars prototypes are doing better in both areas.

@Mull4geV2

3 ай бұрын

@@gabegunn3 It's the FIA that sets the regulations of the cars to be competitive, and the FIA can help push that along with what they desire. So far since Liberty Media coming in, they've produced a grid that is race-y and the grid is closer top to bottom than ever before. DTS is a production of Netflix, not F1. Sport's is entertainment, drama and story lines written in real time in real life. Without the stories that sports creates, it loses what makes it special. So I don't find it foreign that in addition to the racing, other aspects of the story are being pushed too, because its the stories that make sports. If F1 cars are the fastest cars around a race circuit, surely that makes the series the pinnacle of motorsports? Manufacturer freedom doesn't come into the definition of something being the pinnacle of motorsports, being the best and fastest does. Also F1 left the ideas of manufacturers being able to create radically different ideas back in the 80s? 90s? As I mentioned, FIA and F1 HAS put cars closer and allowed head to head real racing. Remember in the previous regulation's when there was more freedom with aerodynamics? Cars produced massive backwash that made it LESS possible to race. Rules in this new set of regulations RESTRICTED these aerodynamic developments so that they could FORCE the cars to be more drivable next to each other and competitive. Asking for manufacturer freedom is the OPPOSITE of asking for head to head close and intense racing, you get one or the other. But as I mentioned, freedom to make whatever you want doesn't really make you the pinnacle of motorsports, I'm sure there's plenty of super slow categories that allow that but no one thinks for a second that they're the pinnacle. The fastest motorsport is F1, the most successful motorsport is F1, both fall under the definition of being the pinnacle of motorsport. Hypercars are definitely more free in their aero designs which is exciting to see the different pathways to create a fast car. However it's also important to note that the FIA will place balance of power, nerfing everything to become balanced.

It took Masi for you to be unenthused with the sport? The 2017 season did it for me, when it became apparent that Hamilton and Mercedes will just win everything. Hell, even before that, when they neutered the sound in 2014. Mercedes' domination just validated it.

@maxb4085

3 ай бұрын

2017 Vettel lead the championship for the first 12 races. If anything 2017 and 2018 were the least dominant years for Mercedes.

@rongiefaustino8867

3 ай бұрын

@@maxb4085 true. Turned me off nonetheless because they've already won 3 in a row at that point, and would go on to win the next 4

@8tonystark8

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, I stopped watching at the end of 2014 and started again at the end of 2021

F1 is not "sport." It is "entertainment." While I wonder why the teams even bother to spend all of their millions on this BS parade, it has got to be obvious: The people involved are making LOTS of money. At this point, I'll watch what I can on KZread -- including content from the folks on these two channels -- but I sure won't spend one penny on anything that goes into the pockets of F1.

When Alonso and Hamilton retire, F1's popularity will drop off a cliff unfortunately

@Andre_The_Millennial

3 ай бұрын

For Hamilton sure. Remember Alonso was gone for 2 years and he wasn't missed *that* much.