I didn't even vote and i could see the terror coming from a mile away

@Conman65

9 ай бұрын

I felt it in my bones as soon as I saw the video

@donpollo3154

9 ай бұрын

This world was screwed as soon as they remade massive poland

@Maxzes_

9 ай бұрын

I was late 😢 And the last time he let his (discord) viewers vote, it was a mess

@Wyliecoy0te

9 ай бұрын

Me too

@SS_Atlantic_Greyhound1119

9 ай бұрын

Same here

Someone unironically thought that not giving Russia land after the war would have been a good idea.

@Warcrimy

9 ай бұрын

They did not only not given Russia any land, but actually took what Russia already had in Poland. Knowing who got the biggest army at the end of the war not a very smart move indeed

@whitnip7868

9 ай бұрын

dont let the modern russia hater affect alt hist too much~

@kxmapper

9 ай бұрын

Ppl just hate Russia, that's all

@mrsillytacos

9 ай бұрын

​@@whitnip7868he probably doesn't even know the difference between the Russian Empire and modern russia

@donpollo3154

9 ай бұрын

@@mrsillytacos they have the same flag therefore they are exactly the same

As a German, I think the scenario worked out quite well.

@monsieurlefrog8706

9 ай бұрын

as a brit, same

@chinesetaxevader

9 ай бұрын

​​@@monsieurlefrog8706sadly I think if the timeline would keep going our 2 nations will somehow manage to be at each others throat again and eventually go to war

@mohamedrafik2237

9 ай бұрын

I hope Germany gets all of western north Africa I really hate knowing how to speak french

@chinesetaxevader

9 ай бұрын

@@mohamedrafik2237 praying for Mittelafrika🙏 maybe they get morroco too I think they had Trading interest there

@mohamedrafik2237

9 ай бұрын

@@chinesetaxevader I want them to get Algeria too

We need to make this an annual thing with each year having some additional weirder choices (like big expansion of the Netherlands into germany)

@Imulti

9 ай бұрын

You're genius

@quempire2656

9 ай бұрын

nahhh

@RichD1

9 ай бұрын

Sealand taking all costal territory in the world

@chimera9818

9 ай бұрын

Greater Dutch empire for the win

@quempire2656

9 ай бұрын

@@RichD1 sealand hyperborea

Y'know, you present Europe as being in tatters but the earlier 1870's WWI is probably far less deadly than the one in our timeline

@mastersafari5349

9 ай бұрын

Agree. The reason why WWI was so deadly was because all major European powers were blue-balled for 100 years😅

@AyaanGaming2211

9 ай бұрын

The german british vs france spain russia war IS the ww1 of this timeline

@matthiuskoenig3378

9 ай бұрын

he predicts 1850s/1860s. meaning it predates any american civil war (assuming no major butterflies to usa) and just as importantly there has been no crimean war infact this great war is ALSO this time line's crimean war, same time period and likely same starting causes. except france has been swapped to Russia's side (alongside spain, and possibly a unified italy) being replaced by a unified germany. what we saw in the crimean war was still mass deaths in trench warfare, but with worse medical knowledge and techniques [more wounded and sick = dead] and inexperiance facing new rifles and artillery caused mass casaulties. the Death rate for the crimean war was almost 40% compared to ww1's 14% dead (or us civil war's 20%). its basically the us civil war but more brutal (less counters to new techniques, less cultural ties and more animosity between combatants) and more than 6 times the size (almost 7 times infact) due to the larger populations involved.

@MrToymaster1

9 ай бұрын

@@matthiuskoenig3378so basically take the American civil war but in Europe. Congratulations everyone; we’ve caused WW1 60 years ahead of schedule and put Europe on a path to an early WW2

@buddermonger2000

9 ай бұрын

​@matthiuskoenig3378 Well, the death rate for the Crimean War was due to disease, and overall due to poor local conditions and conduct of the war. However, breech loaders are still only marginally in use, and the machine gun roughly 50 years off as only the gatling gun really exists yet. Modern artillery still not really a large factor either. This means that you probably have a less deadly war because what made the war so deadly was industrial technology and scale, which in this timeline, isn't actually yet achievable. Not to mention the industrial population growth hasn't yet occurred meaning there just aren't enough men to create the conditions for The Great War of our timeline.

Crazy how every single alt history scenario ends with a better ending for germany than the canon one

@inquisitorphoenix5353

9 ай бұрын

Yeah because we had one of the worst. We had an kaiser witch was full of hatred so that we even had a song „we want our old kaiser Wilhelm back, but the one either beard“ (Wilhelm the first) and after that we hat another psychopath with health problems how wants to erase hole nations. Sooooooo yeah…hard to get something worse than that two characters….😒

@juliandamen9804

9 ай бұрын

Yeah the Germans kinda lost everything in the 20th century, despite their great potential as set up in the 19th century. It's difficult to think of realistic ways that Germany gets fucked over more

@gengarzilla1685

9 ай бұрын

If only Kaiser Frederick III and his pro-liberal outlook hadn't died in 99 days.

@genovayork2468

9 ай бұрын

Or... you know... I'll say it... PH is a Germaboo.

@Rexbob444

9 ай бұрын

@@genovayork2468 I think it’s less that and more when you give Prussia a lot more land in the peace conference meaning they have a far stronger economy, and you put Austria in a position where it is going to collapse and lead to it likely being consumed into Germany and leaving the smaller German states no other choice but to be joined into Germany. This leads to a super Germany which when you combine them with Britain, the strongest world power at the time and put them up against a weakened France, Spain, and Russia they most likely win

I love how Spain and Russia get punished even tho they were arguably the most important factors in Napoleons lost. I do agree with the viewers view on Italy tho. Allowing them to unify early would have probably been a good thing.

@chimera9818

9 ай бұрын

Realistically what caused their problems was having their leadership being totalitarian for decades and damaged southern Italian growth and also join the axis in ww2

As an italian I see this scenario as an absolute win!

@GigaRoman

9 ай бұрын

S ame

@ottervonbismarck6331

9 ай бұрын

Same here 🇩🇪

@achaeanmapping4408

9 ай бұрын

Judging from the pfp, a specific type of Italian...

@bartdr5146

9 ай бұрын

same here 🇵🇱 (and this scenario actually avoids much of Polish-German animosity as Germany is probably seen as liberator of Poland after 1850s/1860s war)

@GigaRoman

9 ай бұрын

@@achaeanmapping4408 yep 😐

Alexander could have negotiated that one of his brothers would be crowned King of Poland & another be King of Finland. Internally, these would have been just a partitioning of Emperor Paul's territory among his sons. One of the 3 brothers would be kept in Russia to secure the succession.

@Gabowsk

9 ай бұрын

This still doesn't guarantee the balance of power, because Russia still lost territories.

@jgr7487

9 ай бұрын

@@Gabowsk Russia would have lost land to Russia.

@jgr7487

9 ай бұрын

@@Gabowsk nice Swadloon pic.

@Gabowsk

9 ай бұрын

@@jgr7487 Actually, that's right. They would've been part of the same realm, essentially. I don't think that would've kept the balance of power though. Russia would've felt betrayed regardless.

@jgr7487

9 ай бұрын

@@Gabowsk you're right. if war doesn't break as soon as the Congress of Vienna ends, the death of Alexander I of Russia would start the War of Russian Succession.

I love these more creative, interactive and interesting scenarios. A nice change from the monotonous content of other alt hist content creators!

@MartNM

9 ай бұрын

fr more history youtubers should start soing more polls with their fans and such

@genovayork2468

9 ай бұрын

@@MartNM What this one does is hardly history.

This is why you can't let "My little dark age" edits creators become diplomats

@quempire2656

9 ай бұрын

Nah this was redditors fr

@groherzogtummapping867

8 ай бұрын

​@@quempire2656The venn diagram of those two groups is basically a circle though.

Honestly this is probably one of the best alternate history videos I've watched because instead of just a one sentence "what if" scenarios. It takes a somewhat unrealistic scenario with varied inputs but follows a realistic path to what we saw irl

As a German i must say this is a pretty decent timeline.

You should also let your viewers decide on the post-WW1 borders, because this interactive concept is hilarious and I love the viewer integration. Plus I also want to see exactly how many nations get salty over the handiwork of the world's worst diplomats.

@MrToymaster1

9 ай бұрын

Yes

@gengarzilla1685

9 ай бұрын

Post-WW2 borders might be an even better idea now that I thought more about this, as the original idea for this thing did come from another person doing it for WW1.

This timeline is both hilarious and horrifying. I want to see it continued. Maybe a smaller video in what the United States is doing along this dumpster fire of a period in alternate history.

@boaoftheboaians

9 ай бұрын

They probably wouldn't have much weight, and I don't think the American Civil War changes all that much so prob not much difference except the US being way less relevant in this alternate WW1 than in our timeline

@CMitchell808

9 ай бұрын

This carnage in Europe probably means a constant flow of immigrants from Europe to America. This is good in the long term, but nativism was really strong at this time in the States, so you’d probably get more backlash from the WASPs.

@zlboyle90

9 ай бұрын

Maybe the British bring the US in to hurt France and Spain in the new world once a war kicks off. Or Russia sells Alaska to the US earlier. If other European nations are financially crippled, the US might purchase their territories in the new world.

@firemangan

9 ай бұрын

@@CMitchell808Not to mention, the US went as far as implementing the exclusion act on the Chinese as they flooded in droves at the west, we would most likely see the same result in this timeline resulted from the massive influx of those immigrants flooding in.

@cyancat8633

9 ай бұрын

Imagine living in this timeline

Congress of Vienna but everyone who signed it was drunk:

It actually makes me angry that all the redditors came out in force absolutely ruined the map lol

@izawa9211

9 ай бұрын

If that was the case all of europe would have been gray

@quempire2656

9 ай бұрын

Yeah “ poland litherinooo is so wholesome chungus 100 reddit gold!”

@cyganskadywizjapiechoty

9 ай бұрын

Catalunia!!!!@@quempire2656

@marysartr

9 ай бұрын

​@@quempire2656"hurr durr pootin bad he clearly was alive in the 19th century!"

@notlucas6859

9 ай бұрын

@@quempire2656 i love poland lithuania as well, but even i knew making russia lose land was the worst idea ever. i did not advocate for PL to be restored either cause it would kill europe. when i saw that super massive PL get restored my jaw dropped

Someone should really make a Victoria 2 mod based off this would be awsome

@opiterturpilinus2248

9 ай бұрын

Also if someone does do this mod could you add an option to create Mittelafrika that would be cool if done

@fish5671

9 ай бұрын

that's never going to happen

@opiterturpilinus2248

9 ай бұрын

@@fish5671 maybe not but it would be cool

The voters of this thing truly acted like Total War/Paradox AI Or maybe they are geniuses who went all in for Italian and German unification

Guys! Do we really deserve a second chance after the horrors we've created?

@shadowbladesabre1945

9 ай бұрын

Yes! Let's see how badly we can mess up the world next time! It'll be great!

@Astralpaladin7955

8 ай бұрын

No no we don't we would just cause a mass extinction because of that

The Berlin conference video is both exciting and terrifying

@thatupsidedowncountryball

9 ай бұрын

i bet it will all go to portugal

@the11382

9 ай бұрын

@@thatupsidedowncountryball Nah, Germany will get a lot of colonies instead. Oh and Belgium/Leopold II will get nothing.

@mappingshaman5280

9 ай бұрын

I reckon >mittelafrika >pink map >France gets nothing except Algiers >boer South Africa

@chimera9818

9 ай бұрын

Realistically it will probably be what would be the what seem to be most important actions

@yets0

9 ай бұрын

​@@mappingshaman5280also british/german morocco

As a German, I love this scenario ❤

@mehdimehdi3631

9 ай бұрын

this is the perfect timeline

@apineapple3177

9 ай бұрын

Fr Fr

@chimera9818

9 ай бұрын

Realistically it puts Germany in best position with more possibilities to carve ottomans and Russia and France

I am curious how this scenario will turn out 🙂 Edit: the way you made this alternative scenario was genius and so in depth it was really great

@stevezo9125

9 ай бұрын

Probably horribly

@stevezo9125

9 ай бұрын

Jeez it turned out worse than i could've imagined

@genovayork2468

9 ай бұрын

You must joke with the edit lmao.

@jeroenboth167

9 ай бұрын

@@genovayork2468 why would it be an joke?

@genovayork2468

9 ай бұрын

@@jeroenboth167 You're telling me you're not joking?

In the scramble for Africa video there should be a poll to give all of Africa to Portugal, everyone votes yes and the video is 20 seconds long

Holy Tree, that deplomacy was absolute fire 🔥🔥🔥 You can't lie, it's impressive how we managed to destroy Europe in like 30 years! Like frfr we did it

@zerefsunlimitedshipworks

9 ай бұрын

Absolute dumpster fire.

@achaeanmapping4408

9 ай бұрын

We did it reddit! We caused a world war...

@buddermonger2000

9 ай бұрын

Yeah actually you managed to start another major war 20 years early

As an Italian I see this as an absolute win

Speaking about humiliating Spain, we forgot to give Galicia to Portugal since that tends to happen everytime in alternate history.

I love this series it gives the viewers the opportunity to change things and creates a messy alternative history scenario

Man, this is big-time slayage in Europe, as the viewers want more border-gore in Germany that I guess mappers would have a hard time drawing its borders.

@1mol831

9 ай бұрын

Can we border gore the Americas? They are too peaceful for their own good

Germany and Brittain now thats one hell of a tag team

With the brilliant maneuvers of the YT voters, WW1 broke out 60 years early

@genovayork2468

9 ай бұрын

The maneuvers were not that bad, just that the youtuber is incompetent and makes fun of the audience.

@yets0

9 ай бұрын

​@@genovayork2468the things that we voted on were terrible

@genovayork2468

9 ай бұрын

@@yets0 Apart from Russia, Sardinia and maybe Catalonia, no.

@silentnight6810

5 ай бұрын

@@genovayork2468 the audience deserves it. That map is atrocious and could only exist if all the treaty makers were taking copious amounts of drugs.

@genovayork2468

5 ай бұрын

@@silentnight6810 Why?

As a german I see this as an absolute win

@ibraheemshuaib8954

8 ай бұрын

Thinking about it, without the German Empire becoming fascist, there is nothing inherently bad about German domination in Europe

This map is insane but I wonder how it plays out 🙂

dude just insults us throughout the video AND I LOVE IT

Europe: *burns down* Possible History: Discord! How could this happen?! You said you were watching it! Discord: I was. It was beautiful!

I was waiting for this video! Spicing your videos up with some chaos always puts a smile on my face, thank you!

If the map which i wanted happened, WW1 would immediately break out.

@Writer_Productions_Map

9 ай бұрын

Which was?

As a french i almost had hope to see a competant Napoleon III but we've been cruched even with big bro russia's help ;-;

@mappingshaman5280

9 ай бұрын

I mean napoleon iii was quite competent, he just wasn't his uncle

@lenecrogaming1883

9 ай бұрын

@@mappingshaman5280 i know but he underestimated his ennemies and his generals were bad on the front

@gengarzilla1685

9 ай бұрын

In the end, they _were_ facing the veritable twin navy/army juggernauts of Europe. Britain and Germany would complement each other stunningly well if circumstances gave them shared foes.

@baul997

9 ай бұрын

@@gengarzilla1685 not to forget that one of the best generals at the time after napoleon were von Moltke

having your viewers redraw various regions borders in the most atrocious way possible and then just guessing what would happen afterwards is an extremely funny video format

This was a great video concept ❤ . Would live to See this series return.

This series is awesome man! Keep it coming🙌🏻🙌🏻

Honestly great content, really fascinating to see how good the real treaty of vienna has been

This timeline would actually be pretty okay. Aside from Russia being humiliated twice, probably leading to a fascist uprising, the balance of power would mostly lead to the independence of formerly subjugated states being on the to-do lists of the great powers indefinitely.

@ibraheemshuaib8954

8 ай бұрын

and honestly, provided that Germany never becomes fascist, them dominating Europe isn't all that bad.

@historyman9436

8 ай бұрын

fascism wasnt a thing back then tho In fact, the commonly accepted forms of government were either Democracy or Monarchism. Everything else was looked down upon in a sense. And with "everything else", the people of the time meant essentially anarchism

@ibraheemshuaib8954

8 ай бұрын

@@historyman9436 don't forget theocracy

Best intro for a video you ever made, absolutily love it xD

I voted in pretty much every instance in the interest of preserving balance of power and basically letting France keep what they kept in our timeline, and mostly sticking to our timeline in everything, except trying to push for a small but more independent Poland and a less Austrian controlled Italy with a much stronger Sardinian buffer state

@Wendeta-hq2cp

9 ай бұрын

Congratulations! You contributed to the creation of an early Italy!

@mappingshaman5280

9 ай бұрын

I voted to punish France and their allies but not too harshly, reward anti napoleon powers but not too much and try and create great powers to balance one another out e.g big Venice and big sardinia

We need a third part of this, good video.

I unironically love this concept, I wanna see more!

You should definitely do this with the WW2 peace treaties, loving this series already :)

@lljkgktudjlrsmygilug

9 ай бұрын

Morgenthau will look like a Nazi apologist.

I love this type of alternate history, do you think that you could maybe make a full alternate history series, from say, 1814, all the way to the modern day? That would be amazing!

16:03 Awesome man! Gonna be right there and lets hope for a better outcome🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

Your videos are so cool thank you

Rah the berlin conference, I can just tell people are gonna give britain like no colonies and half of Africa to germany

Yeah due to the unreasonable punishments of not only the loosing countries But also the winning countries, I could see a new alliance between the most punished countries, France, Russia, and Denmark.

@genovayork2468

9 ай бұрын

France was barely punished. Anyway such an alliance would be excrement.

As a hungarian I see this as an absolute win

@Perrirodan1

9 ай бұрын

His map of Hungary makes no sense

@Inzersdorf93

4 ай бұрын

​@@Perrirodan1yeah, the scenario is quite unlikely. If a Hungarian revolution is successful, then it would still be at war with the Habsburg-loyal Croatians. And if the Hungarians were successful then Vienna was successful as well and has deposed the Habsburgs.

Huge fan of yours fr LATAM! Colombian here! Please consider doing a perfect episode for us! 🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴🇨🇴🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

I liked a lot the background music, nice choices!

Love your videos😊

@EnochAlalade

9 ай бұрын

You were first

@coldestvr_

9 ай бұрын

@@EnochAlaladeNOBODY GIVES A FUU

@apineapple3177

9 ай бұрын

@@coldestvr_Fr

another good video keep going

*Russia doesn't get a specific acre of land in what is today Belarus, Ukraine, and Poland.* *A few decades later, this causes Germany to conquer Europe.* It may be one of many possibilities, but what an interesting domino effect of events that was.

@matthiuskoenig3378

9 ай бұрын

its not just they don't get land, its also that they loose land unfairly (and a fair amount of it too)

@abdelrahmantarek5439

9 ай бұрын

@@matthiuskoenig3378 was that pun intended?

Amazing vid🎉

Hey man! I totally love your videos and i have a video idea: what if the bakker schut plan was true. I would love to see a video about that. Groetjes van Zuid-Holland

I'm really interested in seeing a video on "What if Napoleon Lived to See 1850s". Third time the charm, baby!

A part 2/3 to continue this timeline would be nice

Love this alternative look back made by the viewers, Seeing our consequences on video.

I feel like we need to do this again XD although the Africa Conference coming up sounds nice as well

Loved the mr bismark reference 'damned thing in the balkans' lol

I like the new edits and editing style

I have been waiting for this video for approximately 7 days. Now I can rest and be happy.

I love how you quoted Bismarck

Soo happy to hear about more polls

Finally Italy and Germany arent the only two collapsed

I Dunno, even though Britain was more industrialized than the other nations it was still not a lot in real terms. I think Germany would be stalemated if not overrun eventually by France/Spain/Russia. Through attrition, there are no massive railroads yet. Also, with the addition of southern Germany to Austria, they might actually be stronger and not weaker in this timeline.

@user-yc6px3wj7l

5 ай бұрын

Lombardy was the most valueble province in Austria. Just southern Germany is not enough. Mabye if we took the map today it would be stronger

@celdur4635

5 ай бұрын

@@user-yc6px3wj7l Southern Germany had a lot of population Austria needed, "core" German pop to mobilize.

9:25 I'm absolutely mesmerized by this transition thingy

The only thing that I'd find unplausible is Spain helping Fr and Ru in a massive European war, because they almost have nothing to gain by angering the two most indutrious and powerful empires. I could also see Germany annexing Courland and breaking Livonia off Russia to cut off Riga and hamper their Baltic Fleet's power projection, but leaving Lithuania as its own separate subservient duchy or under Polish rule is more probable than being annexed by Ge, since there is little to nothing to gain by annexing foreign unruly agricultural land tht gives you a huge border with the power you just declared victory over.

@Wendeta-hq2cp

9 ай бұрын

The Baltic Duchies actually held some German nobility if I'm not mistaken. I don't see Germany annexing Lithuania either though since they actually aren't German, but there is still the possibility that Britain told Germany no on the Baltics so they pushed for Lithuania instead. We have to remember that the Germany of this timeline has an influx of Austrians who are used to accounting for unruly peoples, not to mention that Germany in general is *much* stronger since this is Greater Germany, not Lesser Germany.

Viewer scenario: what if at any point in history since chiles creation, the rest of the world just kinda decided to give all their coast to Chile (with the exception of small island like Jamaica, larger ones like the ones in Indonesia still give their coast to Chile) if you want an advanced edition, you could also give continents away to their respective noodle country, like Vietnam gets asia, either Croatia or Norway gets europe, maybe Somalia gets africa and Chile could either get all of the americas or Panama gets the north and Chile just the south.

This channel is underrated

Nice video as always! I think I disagree, however, that Russia would ever accept 2nd partition borders in the scenario you outlined. Nicholas's throne is unstable as his brother *just* got assasinated for not promoting somewhat hawkish policies and taking over Poland. Between getting overthrown by a coup and securing Russian gains in Poland at a military cost, the Russians would go into Poland; and the coalition of great powers to assemble would be smaller, as I don't think France would *ever* side with the Coalition on a dispute after their mutilated peace treaty. So it'd essentially be Austria, Prussia, and Germany, alongside the UK (and possibly the ottomans or sweden, but sweden's more unlikely) fighting Russia; a fight they could possibly win, if it ever broke out. Or maybe the Congress diplomats just back down, which would be a *massive* failure in the eyes of the public (especially in Britain, where this matters), as the Congress of Vienna fails to keep the peace, prosperity & cooperation it has offered to promote through it's signing, but instead has created major enemies within France and Russia that feel their own pride and national honor is wounded. In my personal opinion, the major world war we have at the end would either be a rapid Franco-Russian victory, or a sluggish war that ends with their defeat. They can EASILY knock out Germany with their numbers alone, especially as the Prussian army isn't *fully* modernized yet, and the differences in artillery technology/tactical strategy wouldn't be as decisive early on. Plus, some of the major commanders on the French side, including Napoleon, aren't old as fuck, so they should be better players in this war than they were in the 1871 one. But I don't think it's a forgone conclusion Germany overpowers the Franco-Russian alliance. The German states are still disorganized after *just* having a revolution, and their military command would need to become one, which can lead to squabbling on it's leader's behalf; whilst Russia already MASSIVELY outnumbers the German forces, and France has more experience and knowledge on logistics & warfare in general. If the battles are victories, I think nothing would stand in the way for a German defeat.

@matthiuskoenig3378

9 ай бұрын

the germans might also be hampered by anti-liberal forces willing to work with especially the russians to undo liberal reforms.

Honestly, this is a great timeline

As a German I see this as an absolute Win

‘Britian already has two rouge great powers to deal with and nobody to help them’ Only two??

This just shows how good the real Congress of Vienna was in maintaining balance in Europe

Mistake? No no, this was the plan.

This is great. I love the "my viewers are fools (true)" theme. Also, I'm going to be stereotypically American and ask: "What about America in this timeline?" In particular, the US experienced a lot of immigration between 1820 and 1860, especially from distressed areas of Russia, Germany, Italy and the eastern Hapsburg Empire. This scenario could change that human outflow quite a lot and effect the character of the industrializing US in this period.

@board-qu9iu

9 ай бұрын

Yeah more eastern Slavs would arrive and I can see also more French or Dutch arriving. Would make the old migration period different

@mastersafari5349

9 ай бұрын

It's unlikely that mass immigration from Eastern Europe would be possible in the middle of the 19th century. The main obstacle would be the cost of trans-atlantic journey at that time especially for Eastern europeans that were poorer than your average brit german or frenchman. In our timeline mass imigration to US from Southern & Eastern Europe only kicked in early 20th century as trans-atlantic journey became cheaper and Eastern Europeans became wealthier. Nonetheless some migrations would still eventually occure but probably in different destinations.

@matthiuskoenig3378

9 ай бұрын

well there are more wars in this timeline so more immigration: -you have a world war in the 1850/60s -russian invasion of poland before this -Austrian civil war and partision before this (on much bigger scale than irl hungarian revolt, since it isn't crushed easily by russian intervention and combines with the brothers war) -French and spainish invasions -an earlier pre-1850s Italian wars of unification - a larger dutch revolt you basically have all the conflicts of IRL europe (and more) in half the length of time, This probably means more people trying to get in the us in the 1815-1860 period, however this is only going to drive up the cost of the movement in a period it was already expensive. meaning its still probably only wealtheir europeans that move across (which means its probably still mostly northwest Europeans), but the larger potential market is likely to drive more investment in improveing trans-atlantic crossings mostly to reduce costs.

@chimera9818

9 ай бұрын

Realistically it don’t change much, beyond maybe dismantling most of the pale of settlements or not letting it be formed that might caused smaller Jewish populations

@board-qu9iu

9 ай бұрын

@@chimera9818 idk if the Jewish Populations will be smaller, it probably will jus not be limited to the pale

As an Italian I honestly really like this alternate future

This Scenario is SUPERIOR!! in every way and i'm telling that as a POLE

Can you do a non serious video on "What if the Hussite Reformation managed to conquer the world" (it would be funny) ?

Wake up guys! Possible history updated!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

As someone from Spain, it didn't feel good to lose Catalonia twice in a row, but that isn't much worse than the hellscape that were Spanish politics in this entire time period.

literally yall went "lets punish the victors" and then are surprised that they get angry about it commenters: "let's punish the people who defeated napoleon and lost loads of people for it" major powers: *don't agree* commenters: *surprised Pikachu face*

You need to make more videos about the future of europe whose borders are being made by the geostrategists of HOI4

I love your videos, and this is a wierd request but can you please decrease the saturation of some countries' colours, especially france 😅

You should get us to vote on the restore Vienna peace deal, or another peace deal in this same timeline.

I see this as an absolute win.

No, no, no. Why, why would you think the Berlin conference would go even remotely better than Vienna went? This is probably gonna go 5 times as bad

This series is the best argument against unfettered democracy

You should again make one for the restore of Vienna (the war at the end)

I intentionally vote chaotic things in these votes so that we can have these cool scenarios.

An indipendent venice would have never wanted to join italy under the monarchy of the savoy

To be honest this Great War might be triggered by the American civil war since Britain and France nearly intervened in our own timeline

@board-qu9iu

9 ай бұрын

France also invaded Mexico at that time so it could be the last straw

@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8

9 ай бұрын

@@board-qu9iu so yeah… this time it’s probably not a dam thing in the balkans

@matthiuskoenig3378

9 ай бұрын

on the flip side the crimean war happened around this time irl long before the ACW, and would likely cause a great war in this timeline.

@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8

9 ай бұрын

@@matthiuskoenig3378 if it even happens cause truth be told… Pretty sure the Ottomans would likely just concede to the Russians in this timeline with Austria out of commission and Britain really the only one who would likely help… Ironically negotiating is a possibility

@matthiuskoenig3378

9 ай бұрын

@@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8 honestly didn't consider the Ottomans just concedeing, largely because that would likely cause them to loose face with their empire, most importantly egypt. then again would egypt even be part of the ottomans in this timeline, as the ottomans only won the 1st ottoman-egypitian war in the 1830s and the 2nd in the 1840s due to russian intervention, would the russians of this timeline support the ottomans or aide the egyptians in exchange for land from the ottomans and an alliance? its possible the Ottomans are little more than a rump state in the 1850s in this timeline.

As much as it probably didn't turn out as we wanted it is still much more fun and interesting ; )