I agree that this topic did indeed make me uncomfortable. However not talking about it doesn't make it any more comfort; so I am grateful to openly talk about it. This topic has bothered me for years...here is the part that makes me scratch my head a little...I see what you are saying about the proof that slavery was okay. I see it too; but the idea of ownership over a human being feels conflicting with Gods character based on the 99 names description. He is the soul owner.. i know what my eyes see and what my brain translates..but my soul gets restless every time I read about slavery in Islam... I am not denying that it isn't Haram...it just confuses my soul and I am trying not to judge the information but understand it..i hope you can make more videos on this topic. I definitely have been wanting to ask and brain storm with someone without offending anymore 🙏 i sincerely appreciate your channel. My mind hasn't been this stimulated, challenged or exited for years. ❤ Eid Mubarak my brother's and sisters 🎉🌸🌸🌸 may Allah SWT accept our worship 🎉🙌 Love from San Francisco 🌉✌️

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the gesture. We are actually going to delve into this topic even further with different guests in the coming weeks. It's a topic that is seldom approached from an open and unapologetic angle. The answers we all seek can only satisfy us when the narrative is candid and not apologetic. There is indeed much to take into consideration and account before truly being able to reconcile the practice of slavery (which triggers a visceral reaction from modern people in general) and the universalist principles of Islam. Eid Mubarak and thank you once more

@ahmadyounas7372

17 күн бұрын

I also was continuously thinking about the possible reasons

I don't see the point made by the speaker.. he says the concubines were more desirable because they didn't wear hijab? Huh doesn't make much sense. So they prefer concubines bc they don't need to cover? I think they had more gheerah than that.

@AllAboutIslam_True

2 ай бұрын

Even good Men have lust, they desire and that can lead to sin.

@blackiss87

2 ай бұрын

You are right

@oogahpanda9275

2 ай бұрын

he mentioned why, it was talking about the Abbasid period where the concubines were singers (he mentioned its haram but it was a reality that can't be denied) and that scholars promoted going after concubines even if they slept with a lot of men and discouraged marrying divorced women

I disagree about slave women not allowed to cover her self in the legal way & that her breasts were visible. Very questionable information.

@Faviomec

Ай бұрын

"I dislike it therefore I disagree" mentality

@Amrknegypt

Ай бұрын

The problem is you don't want to learn

@nini5756

Ай бұрын

Yes. As far as I know. Not covering breast is wrong . That's not true.

@Faviomec

Ай бұрын

@@nini5756 keep in mind the context, he mentioned it being SLAVE GIRLS walking around with their breasts out. They are meant to wear different clothing from free women Moreover, even if there was a hudud for a women not covering up properly, how are you gonna apply it to non-muslim women when a khilafah is supposed to allow the people of the book to apply their own laws within their communities?

@dnjdjdjnkoe4462

Ай бұрын

Read Ibn Hazm and Ibn Taymiyah, muppet

This is why we stick to the quran and authentic hadith

@victory-design

Ай бұрын

How do you interpret Qur'an and Hadith? It's not plain and simple

Ibn Tiymiah report is honestly authentic and he nailed it. A free woman and a slave must both cover together, he compared the beauty from woman to woman is different and he said regardless all must cover

@bosbanon3452

2 ай бұрын

Honest and Authentic ? I doubt it

Alright. Let me make the first important assumption that the Muslim society at that time was actually like what have been described during the discussion, and all the source materials are truly authentic. Then I would make two arguments: 1. Just like many rulers from Islamic history, the rulers of the time may not have established OR enforced the Sharia Law as we understand today. But, if our modern understanding of Sharia Law concerning the clothes of women is incomplete, then 2. Covering up would signify critical social status. Meaning the best or highest class of the society that set the social standards are Muslims who cover themselves up. Since we know people from lower economic classes always try to imitate those from higher classes, then this could lead the majority towards covering themselves up. And that in turn would mean, that forcing women to cover themselves up doesnt work well or efficiently. But if that becomes a social status symbol, then women themselves would want to cover themselves. For me, it is simple to answer the question of why some of our women want to uncover themselves in public. That's because they want to imitate the western women, who in our still colonized minds represent the "higher social class". Sorry for the typo's. I was in a hurry

Mature audiences only

@aasif778

2 ай бұрын

Trying to be

@karaeyed5057

2 ай бұрын

Töbe töbe

@Qoral-8003

2 ай бұрын

Interesting video. I'm sorry that this topic seems to attract the wrong (usually unemployed and delusional) crowd. It's truly a shame that we still aren't mature enough to talk about this topic, when there are estimates of up to 50 million slaves in the modern day (according to the International Labor Organization) who are unnecessarily suffering because of our foolishness. After all, the black market does not have the much-needed limitations that the Shariah has. Allahu musta'an.

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

@@Qoral-8003 we water the garden for the few roses, not the abundance of weed.

@Versatilad

2 ай бұрын

Can I watch it during fasting?

What you are doing isn't an easy thing. But it's commendable and honest discussions are a good step towards true self determination and liberation. I've been following you since you began. Allahumma barik may Allah grant you success.

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

Barakallahu Feekum and thank you for the ongoing support

😳😲 need to listen it again and again can' get my head around

This channel is a goldmine of information. Helps to clarify many many questions which arises in a normal muslims mind. Thanks admin

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

You are most welcome

Very interesting video. It is very important to give the historical context when taking about these subjects. It would be interesting to hear a female scholars take on this subject since women’s bodies and agency is primarily discussed.

@user-zc3tn2we1g

2 ай бұрын

Agree with the video suggestion

Can you make a video about the early khawarijj from their OWN point of view, how they saw themselves and the religion

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

That would be interesting

I appreciate you having an honest discussion about this uncomfortable topic. Whatever the historical and religious context of past laws related to slavery, I personally feel Muslims should never try to revive this institution the way ISIS did and use religious justification for it. I would argue that the Prophet (saw) would follow universal laws (like not harming messengers and diplomats) and the same should apply with slavery which has now been universally (at least in theory) abolished.

Concubines maybe prefered because they don't have same rights as a free woman.

Can you make a video about the Ibadis

11:02 - but didn't Islam free a person from slavery? How was there Muslim slaves? Why did Umar RA tell the muslimah slave to uncover? I thought hijab was for protecting the Muslim woman. Then what is the purpose pf hijab? May Allah protect us from doubt in our hearts. Ya muqallibal qulub, thabit qalbi alaa deenik...

From Ibn Kathir's Tasfir of Al-Ahzab 33:59 : "Here Allah tells His Messenger to command the believing women -- especially his wives and daughters, because of their position of honor -- to draw their Jilbabs over their bodies, so that they will be distinct in their appearance from the women of the Jahiliyyah and from slave women." I understand this to buttress Br. Habeeb's point of it not being mandated for such classes of women.

At the 31 sec mark, the guest describes the works if a certain Muslim scholar. Who is he referring to?

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

Abdul Malik Ibn Habib

Outstanding job!

Good talk

theres no authentic narrations of bare chested slave however theres other narrations of them not having hijab i dont know what specific text they are reffering to but some context would be interesting to read

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

You will find it when you inquire about the Awrah of the Jaariya. And it's not a hadith but a Khabar

@jerryrodriguez3554

2 ай бұрын

​@HISTORYUN i have heard of some scholars who say if theres a fear of fitna then even go as far as mandating hijab, but in terms of classical fiqh and not historical accounts what scholars actually permitted being bare chested

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

​@@jerryrodriguez3554there are Fatawah from the 90s permitting this (theoretically). Whether the governor decides to enforce a covering policy or not is a matter of discretion, but the general rule is that they are not obliged to cover anything above the navel or below the knees.

@abuahmad67

2 ай бұрын

People walked around in this area before Prophet Muhammad came and reestablish Islam. After the Prophet Muhammad cleaned the masjid and land . No one walked around unclothed.

I appreciate this talk because I appreciate nuance and difficult or different views

Oh My God.....veeeeeerry interesting

I need to go to Madinah UIniversity as soon as possible, I can't handle this.

@user-xp9ub1wy8b

Ай бұрын

What they are talking about is not about what the Quran or Hadith say. But what a historian wrote thing's that cannot be verified meaning it can be true or lies. But with Islamic ruling with regard to lowest cover of the body for a person Man/Woman that cannot afford has been told. But with regard to Historians, they are no different from you have written not everyone will agree to what you saw.

SubhanAllah, this really pushed me and made me feel strange and even a little uncomfortable wallahi. Like you mentioned, this picture we have of the past in our minds and the historical reality once understood is truly something bizarre. Im stuck in a bit of a conundrum because we are all aware of the prophet(saw) saying that the best generations are his and ones that came after and instantly the mind thinks of an Islamic utopia which seems to not really be the case and if the idea is to bring about those mindsets into our generation then I feel it will not fair very well. Perhaps in some regards the "evolution" of Islam has brought about some refinement (positively) in certain areas. I dont think in a 21st century sharia ran society would any ruler think womens spandex leggings would be ok for Non Muslim women to wear, or something revealing cleavage and there would be fatawa about these matters without any doubt but Im stuck intellectually because a non Muslim should be able to live by the standards they have or see fit within an Islamic society... however there didnt seem to be too much of a push back from the rulers and jurists regarding Non muslim females mixed within their societies in the 9th centruy which is unfortunate because I can see how a married mans Iman could become troubled by staring at the backside or clevage of Non Muslim women all day in Islamic societies which brings me to the point that perhaps our modern take and outlook on modesty is perhaps better than it was in the 9th century. Especially with the immoral brainwashery of social media and the smut videos widely accessible. Prefacing this with the theme that this is a 2024 Sharia ran Islamic society. This really challenged how I shaped Islam in my mind.

@ahmadfrhan5265

2 ай бұрын

It certainly is better, read Ibn Tiymiah position on this regard, am not scholar but I do believe this is Abbasid fabrications because they did fabricated a lot of Hadiths to justify many things including Qurshi rule and the “ Mahdi” . Islam is not a Savior religion, they made it one by including a Fatimid figure the “ Mahdi” and everything they did made them fall, the last Abbasid Caliph was watching bully dancers while his city was burning 🔥 in fire by the mongols

@justasoul114

2 ай бұрын

Lower your gaze... There is not compulsory in religion Hijab is for a woman to be recognised as a Muslim so she can be safe from non Muslins harm. These were taken literally by the first societies of Islam. You are applying your current mindset to how Islamic society was run during the first 1000 years actually or even longer. Back then Islamic society was more tolerant than today and it was based on Qur'an and the way the Prophet pbuh and his companions ruled and so on. This thing of forcing Islam on others is an ill of the last 100 years due to the dictators that were put in place in Muslim lands by Zionists and foreign Imperialists. Muslim today don't know their own history and it is very unfortunate but it was premeditated by foreign forces. Now as a Muslimah I do feel I am a free woman rather than before I took shahada years ago. Islam taught me what dignity, patience and endurance is, also what is to be merciful and responsible for my actions and to be accountable for my own trespassings and to be strong against injustices specially when it comes from other Muslims. But something that shocked me is how judgemental Muslim communities are nowadays at least here in the West and it is sad to be honest. insha'Allah things do change for the better.

@POINTS-OF-LIGHT

2 ай бұрын

@haaristoor1 nor blindly follow scholars or anyone else. Keep in mind, they never said it was only this sultan or that one that held those views.

@Qoral-8003

2 ай бұрын

I'm going to push back here. I don't think that positive refinement has to do with the religion "evolving" or anything. Rather, we have made advancements (in terms of administration and science) that have made it easier for rulers to rule their territory and impose their own desired ideals on the nation's populace. That simply wasn't true 1400 years ago. We have centralized governments; technology to better manage logistics, taxation and security; large, standing professional armies; a concept of the nation over your tribe; and information mediums that make it easy to teach and learn. If we bring this to the attention of Muslims learning that the past wasn't all perfect, they'll begin to understand why we should only take the Prophet (ﷺ) as our role model who we blindly follow... and not famous sultans or even ulema.

Great job! A question; Since the aurah discussed pertains to slave women, how were the non-Muslim women dealt with?

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

The same. The command only applies to Muslim + Free women, no one else. Which is why it's odd to see Muslims demanding covering for every woman regardless of her status and convictions

Good video. There are many accounts from the 19th century of slave markets where the female slaves are uncovered. It would be interesting to know if this was still the practice in slave markets in the 20th century.

Eid Mubarak.

5:10-5:30 Are those reports of Umar ibn Khataab (RAA) authentic?

Also generally, can you make videos er posts about how to deal with these newly found discoveries about Islam and it's history? How to deal with potential doubts regarding these topics in this day and age especially as women. Also, as someone else mentioned, can you dicuss the thoughts of female scholars regarding these things.Thank you,

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

Certainly. Such a video is necessary

No but it did exist clearly in Al Andalus where the Scholar hailed from.. he was shocked by what he saw in Madina wasn't he? Furthermore in the age where slavery is illegal how are those examples relevant. There are already laws in place everywhere in the world banning public nudity to varying degrees so in the modern Era which of those standards should be allowed is it gonna revert to topless for the Non Muslims while most non Muslims societies currently have restrictions against this? Where are you trying to take your audience with this? The Jariyah may have been told to remove Niqaab so that she could be identified as a slave did it mention to what extent he told her to uncover? This is misleading. Afghanistan is a Muslim Majority country thats one thing and the other thing is that non muslim women are told to wear a gown and Khimaar not Niqaab whats extreme about that?

@AllAboutIslam_True

2 ай бұрын

Afghanistan no longer requires muslim women to wear niqab either. In hanafi fiqh it’s only obligationry during times of great fitna.

@The_Bearded_King

2 ай бұрын

@@AllAboutIslam_True that is the view of modern hanafis. Please don’t ascribe it to the whole of the school, especially from the salaf because that wasn’t the case.

@AllAboutIslam_True

2 ай бұрын

@@The_Bearded_King bro this is the view of imam Malik and the Malakis as well. Many hadith and history of women of the sahaba and salaf showing their faces

@Historic_Tales

2 ай бұрын

@@AllAboutIslam_True so we are not living in the times of great fitna

@AllAboutIslam_True

2 ай бұрын

@@Historic_Tales depends on where in the world you live. If you live in the west then yes.

Please give the full name of al jaahidh so I can learn more from him

Assalamun alaykum. With only a few more hours to Maghrib, Eid Mubarak! May Allah accept our Ramadan and help unite this Ummah. Ameen.

@Qoral-8003

2 ай бұрын

Ameen. Eid Mubarak, akhi.

Modern slavery is active it is called employee. Slavery will always exist

@AllAboutIslam_True

2 ай бұрын

Bruh it’s called work

@ahmadfrhan5265

2 ай бұрын

@@AllAboutIslam_True for someone who owns you and pay you , guess what is that? Yes “ work” ( slavery)

@AllAboutIslam_True

2 ай бұрын

@@ahmadfrhan5265I can leave the job whenever I want! I still have free will!

@ahmadfrhan5265

2 ай бұрын

@@AllAboutIslam_True to another one who will own you and pay you, you have no idea how the system works even those who own you and pay you, are owned by the bankers and institutions. You are not realist

@TheInkyFootnote

2 ай бұрын

Is your boss allowed to request sex from you at your job?

I hear your views, but what you are talking about is the early stage in Islam. But after the rules were passed by our Prophet, those things were changed. You are making it song as if as Muslims you could have walk around without your head coverings and your Brest exposed if you are a slave. Please talk the truth, and why are you talking about pre Islamic time, when Islam were just coming into being .

I'm not sure I get why blurring woman is a bad thing. Yes you are right I also believed most if not all women back then wore niqab or jilbab and it seems not to be the case, but the ruling of lowering one's gaze remains. We would think we would be safe from that on an Islamic channel isall. Even this video had to look away multiple times due to the provocative images and paintings especially at the beginning. May Allah protect us and forgive every believer that was the source of one.

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

It's not a bad thing but the idea that you can go around censoring the world around you is impractical. It's the mentality rather than the act.

@sholay706

2 ай бұрын

But we don't have slaves anymore so muslim can demand hijab

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

Not for non-Muslims, which is what was specified. We cannot force Hijab on others outside our Faith. Umar Ibn Al-Khattab discouraged it in his reign

@GildedButterfly

2 ай бұрын

@@HISTORYUNbut I’m assuming you are a Muslim so you shouldn’t promote such images. It’s maddening.

@GildedButterfly

2 ай бұрын

@@HISTORYUNcommenting again.. you are a Muslim and as such should NOT be promoting provocative images!! Sure it’s the reality in everyday life for many in the west, but it can be hard for a man to lower his gaze.. yet here you are, a fellow Muslim pushing it in their face? What are your intentions exactly? You could have made this video without the provocative images yet you chose to include them for what? Views? To implant a fantasy?

Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁😀

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

Thank you Uzair

Your videos are good but kindly add subtitles, sometimes some word aren’t clear so it’s better if you add subtitles

Islam was a religion known for its militant aspects during the 6th and 7th centuries AD. However, it is important to contextualize this within the historical world order of that time. The era was characterized by ruthlessness, where nations often attained power and glory through military might. Once a nation established dominance in its region, it needed to maintain it to safeguard against potential threats to its prosperity, security, and survival. Even in today's world, with the idea of a global community of nations, we recognize that hegemony and political maneuvers remain prevalent.

good

Can you do a video on shrines/tombs or large graves? I believe these were common yet the Salafis/Wahhabis seem to have a bit problem like it is a modern innovation when I believe historically it was the norm sometime after the prophet ﷺ time obviously, Like if you go to any grave of a well known and recognised personality, imam, Wali, saint, prophet (the graves of supposed prophets), caliph, sultan they are always made as tombs or structures much higher than ground level. Starting from that if the prophet ﷺ himself I'm very surprised the Wahhabis/Salafis haven't started from their own prophet's grave to level or dismantle the green dome/shrine yet have the audacity to say it's bid'ah or criticise others for it.

Yh I don't t know about this one akh

Music is very disturbing to focus. It is supposed to be a background music, rather than becoming a foreground!

First Time I heard 👂this in my Life 2:41 !

The concubine hadith is a big part of why I doubt the authenticity of many hadith. Seems oddly suspicious of all the inauthentic hadith somehow men allowed a hadith that grants men a convenient escape from adultery which directly contradicts the Quran.

I don't get the purpose of this program.

Over populated Pompeii compare to Sadum? In success of the aesthetic.

Did the early khawarijj agree with this or were they more pious?

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

No. In fact they insisted the Caliph Ali take Aishah as a Concubine after the battle of the Camel. Taking Concubines has nothing to do with Piety, it's permitted in Islam.

@AllAboutIslam_True

2 ай бұрын

@@HISTORYUN but the ibadis (last of the khawarijj) say that if a slave converts to Islam you must free them and they owe you a debt now

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

​@@AllAboutIslam_True That's another discussion altogether

@jayj.4564

2 ай бұрын

​@@HISTORYUNHmmm... This would be a very interesting discussion, or a topic to be covered as part of a discussion.

At the expense of the wife, and justice to the the wife/wives🤔

Covering oneself is part of human nature. It is absolutely utterly not possible what this guest of yours is saying. If we apply the same rule other things too. Then by the same rule, Non Muslims can gamble, deal in riba, spread vulgarity, roam in streets compete naked, do lgbt and any other thing you can think of. O man ! think what are you saying !!!!!! Absolutely NOT POSSIBLE.

@farahnuradeen2741

Ай бұрын

Stop living with your head in the clouds. History is history and it cannot be changed because you can't deal with the truth

I disagree with this person about women being bare chested

no mention about the fact that europeans use to trade and sell these woman= for rich's

Were Prophet's (sav) wives required to wear face cover along with the head cover?

What they are talking about is not about what the Quran or Hadith say. But what a historian wrote thing's that cannot be verified meaning it can be true or lies. But with Islamic ruling with regard to lowest cover of the body for a person Man/Woman that cannot afford has been told. But with regard to Historians, they are no different from you have written not everyone will agree to what you saw.

@victory-design

Ай бұрын

What are you on about? He clearly mentioned there were cases in Madinah the city of prophet ﷺ where slave women (Muslim or non-muslim) were bare chested, you could see their breasts or at least equate it to today's Western women wearing bikini 👙. Why is this difficult to understand? Does it affect your imaan? The status of a slave was different to that of the believers. Also Umar ibn Khattab he mentioned rebuked a slave women for covering as that was only for Muslim women. These are historical facts he has given. So now are you saying Sahaba did not understand Qur'an and hadith and you know better?

@user-xp9ub1wy8b

Ай бұрын

@@victory-design I am sorry to say I totally disagree with you. There's little aliment of truth in history but not totally Fact. You have to remember there are even 100 thousands fabricated Hadith's some even contradict the Quran but Yet they are in Sahiih Muslim such as the world being made in 7 days. Some are in Sahiih Bukhari where monkeys are punishing another monkey for committing fornication. But our Muslim scholars don't take these hadith's seriously as they know it's ridicules. And you are talking about History being fact. With regard to Omar may Allah be pleased with him, He made new Law's while he was governing that contradicts the prophet's teaching such rules pertaining to divorce, so even if Omar would have done anything it/s not surprising,

What do you mean love interest? A concubine is a slave. They don't have any choice in the matter.

What a terrible analogy 9:03. Those women that we demand to be covered are obviously not slaves.

Can a women willingly be a concubine? Does she have to be from the ppl of the book?

@InfiniteCuriosity1210

2 ай бұрын

A free Muslim and a free non-Muslim was illegal to be taken as a slave. Slaves could only be taken as spoils of war along with weapons, prisoners, horses etc among the prisoners there were always woman and kids who were picked up away from the front line, the army was always accompanied by woman treating the wounded, setting up tents, preparing the sheep, goats for food, making fires. Don't forget these armies were had thousands of fighters sometimes. Battle of Yarmouk for example was estimated at 100,00 to 200,000 Byzantines fighters. They were probably accompanied by an entire village just to feed them. When they lost the war, everyone that was assisting the loosing side is spoils of war according to the Shariah. This is the only way new slaves were allowed to be made.

@maadael6883

2 ай бұрын

I believe you can acquire a concubine without them being prisoners of war

@elski5067

2 ай бұрын

@@InfiniteCuriosity1210 You are lying Arab slave trade is happening in LIBYA as we speak. The Arabs who helped invade GHADAFI are selling black muslims in libya. Arabs are buying little boys being kidnapped in darfur sudan so they cann force them to race on cammells in saudi in 2024. This channel is a arab apologist, black muslim converts have helped perpetuate slavery in africa for over 2000 years.

@InfiniteCuriosity1210

2 ай бұрын

@@maadael6883 Yes you can buy an existing slave. Or you can be born to two slave parents. Tell me how else someone could be legally accuire a slave under Shariah?

@randomlygeneratedname7171

2 ай бұрын

@@InfiniteCuriosity1210 It is not just the battlefield also the entire enemy territory is up for grabs like when cities and villages get taken over. Then when order is established like jizyah tax gets payed and no resistance then armies back off.

My interest is piqued.

@ahmadfrhan5265

2 ай бұрын

Soon brother soon 🫳🏼🏴 we will have the world and the hereafter inshallah

You are really confused and mixed up brother.

Based on prophetic guidance, shouldn't Muslims be the ones who have abolished and eradicated slavery, at least within their jurisdiction?

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

Yes, and it was done among the Arabs very early on in the Hijaz, during the reign of Caliph Umar Ibn Al-Khattab but didn't spread beyond that. Perhaps the allure and lucrative interests of keeping slaves was a hurdle for subsequent empires.

@Qoral-8003

2 ай бұрын

The Shariah helped to eliminate the cruelty of slavery. But not eliminate the institution. Slavery isn't inherently evil or sinful. If it was, then it would have been banned outright like alcohol or adultery. But clearly, the Sahaba didn't try to end it outright.

@TheInkyFootnote

2 ай бұрын

@@Qoral-8003drinking alcohol and adultery are acts an individual performs were as slavery was a function of society at that time. The prophet pbuh gave early Muslims many religious incentives to free slaves as it is recognized that limiting a persons free will is not a good thing. You’re not gonna get very far with people saying slavery wasn’t evil, there’s a reason it’s not practiced today in just societies.

@Qoral-8003

2 ай бұрын

@@TheInkyFootnote You should look into why it was abolished in the first place. Sure, there were always those who insisted it was morally wrong. But for some reason, abolition only really started getting political support once the Industrial Revolution made slaves obsolete. Must be a coincidence, eh? 🤔 ...But anyways, slavery still exists at a rate (50mil) that surpasses the combined victims of the Trans-Atlantic (13mil) and "Muslim" (17mil) trade routes. Clearly abolition didn't (or can't) work.

@TheInkyFootnote

2 ай бұрын

@@Qoral-8003 greed and abuse will always exist. The prophet pbuh came as a mercy to mankind and the many passages in the Quran encouraging manumission clearly suggests that ending of slavery is worth striving for. The Prophet banning slavery at that time would be like banning poverty, it wouldn’t be possible. Muslims are encouraged to give charity and in the past encouraged to free slaves as these acts improve society as a whole.

Okay what is the name of the book that says this from Abū Marwān‘Abd al-Malik b. Habīb al-Sulamī

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

Adab al-Nisaa

This is quite misleading and doesn’t take all the facts into account. Islam abolished what was done in jahalia down but it took time and in steps. Like Aisha (ra) said “ if the first order brought in the Meccan period was to stop alcohol the people would’ve never stopped , but instead the Meccan period surahs were about heaven,hell, and about your Lord until the hearts were attached to Islam. And then the laws came down”. So in that time period the Muslims were in constant jihad, so when they win obviously women and children weren’t killed or left to die off. Instead men took them as slaves and basically kept them as basically wives and children. It was a old solution in an old world where even a piece bread to eag wasn’t promised. And the ruling on the hijab didnt come down until much later. Either way a slave didnt lose their religion or prior practices so if one disnt want the hijab they weren’t forced but if one was to become a muslim than it meant instant freedom.

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

Kindly cite your sources and references for these bold claims, because that is not what the bills of law and jurisprudence contain. Slavery, unlike Alcohol and Fornication is not listed as a sin, there are no punishments or penalties legislated for the one who practices slavery and quite frankly - it is not Haram. There are subsequent episodes wherein we delve into this theme with different guests and more depth, however - do not allow wishful thinking to cloud objective facts and information. Barakallahu Feekum

@JackChit-pv3dj

2 ай бұрын

@@HISTORYUN gladly akhi, for which claim are you wanting a source?

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

@@JackChit-pv3dj Whichever part you felt was missing and incomplete. 1. Muslims took slaves as wives and children (which was not the case because the Sahabah even tried to avoid impregnating their captives by practicing coitus interruptus so as to he able to sell those slaves and not be stuck with an Umm Walad who could no longer be sold and had to be maintained for the long term, this is not in the spirit of taking them as Wives and Children but quite to the contrary. There are a great deal of accounts where marriage slave was heavily discouraged by the early scholars, preferring even to advise men to remain abstinent and fast as a favourable alternative) 2. The taking of slaves was due to constant Jihad in the early history of Islam (the stock of slaves was far greater when the Muslims built empires and grew wealthier during the Abbasid epochs and later. If it were merely a matter of necessity then slavery would have been discontinued as soon as the Muslims became affluent and prosperous enough to abolish the entire institution, but that's not what happened - the practiced only became more lucrative and engrained) 3. Slaves had a choice to wear Hijab (This was never the case and there is no shortage of textual proof that some were even chastised for trying to cover up, as a form of imitation of free women).

The problem with Salfis/Wahhabis is they believe Islam started with Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab. What about before Muhammad Abdul Wahhab who came in the 19th century. What about the 4 Imams? Malik, Shafi, Ahmed, Abu Hanifah that came waay before.

The soeaker does not look trustworthy, which is supported by his controversial statements.

@HISTORYUN

Ай бұрын

This is a very low standard to live by, elevate the levels a little higher

Now women are out with cats and 🐕.

@AllAboutIslam_True

2 ай бұрын

So you’d prefer half naked women in Medina?

Islam is realist 🏴 not idealist 🇪🇺🇺🇸🏳️‍🌈

Concubines making a big comeback lol

There is no compulsion in religion...was taken literally in the beginning of Islamic society and even during Ottoman times. It is the history of Islamic social construct. I understood that hijab was just that a social construct where free Muslim women had to wear in order to be recognised as a that...a free Muslim woman in order to be recognised for her safety. It had nothing to do with her Iman.

@Qoral-8003

2 ай бұрын

The Hijab is mentioned in the Qur'an (Surah Nur, Verse 31 + 60; Surah al-Ahzab, Verse 53 + 59) and Sunnah (Abu Dawud 4102, Bukhari 4481, Muslim 2170, Bukhari 146, Al-Bukhari 5149, Muslim 1428, Bukhari 365, Muslim 645, etc.) The Hijab is mandatory. All the believers must attest to this. If you are on your "journey", so be it. But do not trivialize this.

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

​@@Qoral-8003It doesn't apply to captives, Muslim or otherwise. That's the point

@Qoral-8003

2 ай бұрын

@@HISTORYUN I'm not talking about captives. I'm talking about Hijab being mandatory. It's not a trivial "social construct".

@HISTORYUN

2 ай бұрын

@@Qoral-8003 Yes. That has been clarified and emphasised in the video.

@Qoral-8003

2 ай бұрын

@@HISTORYUN Yeah, Alhamdulillah, I'm not blaming you. But the above commenter clearly didn't get the message.

The past was a fantasy world in our times, beautiful slaves , wars , money Gold and silver no inflation, wealth is achievable, power is achievable, education is wild spread and anyone who can read and write can work in governmental or educational institutions….. etc

@AllAboutIslam_True

2 ай бұрын

And most likely you would be a poor person or a slave

@Qoral-8003

2 ай бұрын

This is a very romanticized view of history. The average person would be a farmer or living in a city slum.

@ahmadfrhan5265

2 ай бұрын

@@Qoral-8003 farming is great profession back then and cities have always been a problem when many people go to it

@Qoral-8003

2 ай бұрын

@@ahmadfrhan5265 My point is: that fantasy world you're imagining was only really open to emirs, not commoners.

@ahmadfrhan5265

2 ай бұрын

@@Qoral-8003 No fantasy others can climb all the way to the top in they are competent, you are saying commoners like if everyone was poor, they worked traded and travelled and own property and lands all over. They were not poor at all. Those who do not work or trade were poor only

I prefer concubine because you actually teacher her and will not disobey you. While a wife will comes from a house and sometimes spoiled and can argue you a lot. A concubine can be a wife and obedient. We need a Caliphate as soon as possible🏴🫡 Marriage is expensive these days and spoiled girls by their rich fathers who didn’t teach them they have a rule in society. Islam is realist there will always be Masters and Slaves , the modern world call it Jobs , clients , employees, … etc it is slavery whatever they say, it is objectively slavery

@sarahnovella4971

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂 omgggg 🤦🤦 today we have a huge part of the ummah being killed day n night, being tortured non stop all over the world, hence people can't wait for the coming of Imam Mehdi to establish the Caliphate so that this is injustice can be stopped.. but then we have you 🤡 who wish for the Caliphate so that they can have concubines 😂😂😂 🤦🤦🤦🤦 the way some people's minds work is truly bizarre lol ngl and no. work is not slavery. you can quit work at any time and you're not being 'owned' by your bosses. if working= slavery then that means men that have work/working for someone and getting paid (under the Caliphate) are also slaves then?🤔

@abdullahahmad9300

2 ай бұрын

Agree with you Ahmad

@GildedButterfly

2 ай бұрын

If this is what this video is promoting then I feel so terrible for all the Muslim women 😢. A Muslim woman should be obedient to her husband, it’s a command from Allah swt, a concubine doesn’t have this pact… sure train her like a dog but then she’s worshiping you and not her Creator, is that true love??

@Qoral-8003

2 ай бұрын

@@GildedButterfly You should ignore him. He must be young and unmarried, to say these brash things. Everyone knows that a Muslim wife is a coveted treasure. The only truthful thing that he said was that we need a caliphate soon. The rest of his ramblings about modern women all being spoiled or ungrateful is a false generalization and his personal opinion.

@ahmadfrhan5265

2 ай бұрын

@@Qoral-8003 I see you are taking things personally, history shows otherwise and stands with me not you, you ask the questions and you know the answers but reject to admit it, it is 💯 personal not intellectual, Muslim women are treasured but not in modern world, they are spoiled and westernized and you have no idea about me, am not young and am talking from Islamic and historical perspective which favoured concubine over Wives. This is historical and rational claim I made, everyone would love to have concubine over a wife. I say it and stand by it, you fear what others say, I do not. You will not refute what I mentioned, rather take personal attacks which fine , your account is 16 hours old so I wouldn’t bother what electronic 🦟 things. If you have refutation plz enlighten me