CORRECTION!!! Pigs will breed when you add a food type to Base food. It's the one combination I didn't test, looking back it was obvious to do but for some reason, I went backwards with the feeds😅 Base+Grain mix = Breeding - £1200 price at 24 months (BEST VALUE) Base+Grain+Protein = Breeding - £1200 price at 24 months Full mix = Breeding - £1200 price at 24 months Luckily, a lot of the numbers around food consumption are still correct and the full mix is the best performing (speed to get to 100% health) but it makes things a little easier when having pigs for breeding. Saying that I still think they consume the most when fed base food so you probably will still make more money selling a field of Maize instead of using it solely for pig food and then profit from breeding. It does change how profitable you can make things now though. Thanks to Peter Overgaard comment below for making me aware 👍Sorry everyone for any misinformation

@dralord1307

2 жыл бұрын

The way Giants needs to fix pigs is to make it more realistic. The pigs should be producing litters of 4-8 piglets. If they did that then pigs wouldnt be useless like they were in base game FS19

@colmortimer1066

2 жыл бұрын

I was a little confused when you "loved" my comment, saying you ought to test these, without responding to it. So I checked back and say you had this up. Then I put it to newest first to make sure I was not the idiot to post a comment after you posted this, but mine is 2 comments older than this one. :) But great to see you posted a correction here.

@giannisxalkis1965

2 жыл бұрын

actually u are wrong pigs need 80% health to reproduce pigs start to get health when u feed at least 75% efficiency food either base+grain OR base+protein+root with a pace of 24% health per month. Another point is that u dont need to feed them everymonth to get max price u just need to sell them with full health at 24 months

@S0K0N0MI

2 жыл бұрын

So what this boils down to is pigs are not worth the feed they consume?

@giannisxalkis1965

2 жыл бұрын

@@S0K0N0MI It means that u feed them to reproduce and produce slurry and manure not to "fatten" them

Great video once again, and i really appreciate the showing of how the rotating works like you do it. Thanks! (i was one of the guys whom asked how that works on the beef cow/sheep video so thanks alot!)

I think pigs have really been transformed in fs22 with the production chains, I grow sugar beets for my biogas plant + sugar factory, wheat ( plus straw for manure ) /sorghum for bread and eggs and sunflower/ canola for oil and just chuck in a bit for the pigs when they need it, plus I chuck the slurry and manure in my biogas plant too and spray with digestate 😌

I was talking about that topic with a friend just a couple days ago :D

It can be worth getting them early and not feeding them properly ,they will still age ,and once they've reached puberty then feed them properly for yhe babies

So this not correct. Sadly @scroft should have tried with base+whatever. Pigs need the base food and in a combo with grain they go 100% health but slower(10% gained per day on full and 3% on base+grain) hope for an update as pigs are very good on hard economy. Also young pigs should be sold off prior to 24 months as its the feed consumed vs value gain is best for the first 6 months

@Scroft

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Peter, Thanks for this. I just tested and you are correct. Luckily a lot of the numbers still are true in the video about food consumption but they can breed when you add the minimum of grain to Base food. So B+G will breed, B+G+P breed and full mix breed. Thanks again for this information

@aceplaysgamesnetwork9566

2 жыл бұрын

This is a game changer thanks

at last:) ty for great vid. love u

First ,nicely put together

Thanks for another brilliant video. Using you earlier work on best prices I have made quick calculation on potential income for the crops feed to pigs over 24 months using highest possible price and it is only little over 38000 so it is still 105000 better for pigs. With multifruit buying station mod you only have to grow corn, barley and canola and then just buy sugar beet as only small amount is required. Also you should check if possibly it would be better value to sell pigs after second breeding. You not getting max price but food consumption ration may be better and rotation will be simpler. I think you should consider sharing your excel calculations as well.

@Scroft

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the information 👍

@Lexor888

2 жыл бұрын

I think there is a small fallacy(?) in that calculation (excuse me if that's not the right word for it, english is a second language to me). I think in your example that you are calculating the profit for the 120 piglets... if I understood the chart correctly these piglets and the amount of food for them was never accounted for in the whole spreadsheet - the spreadsheet only tells you about the amount of food for the first 30 pigs and the only price for selling them after 24 months is 36k. In this case you paid 38k for food and sold the pigs for 36k - in my world that would mean a profit of negative 2k, you lose money. even not taking into account that you had to buy these 30 pigs for an additional 6k so in total you lost 8k.. But what about all these nice piglets, they were for free right? Yes but they still generate a loss of 2k per every 30 piglets you raised. Also you need to take into account that keeping and raising the offspring to sell them at a later age leads you into a vicious cycle of needing a lot of accomodation for all the new piglets and withing the 24 months of growth all the 120 piglets will give birth to another 480 new piglets, and they will give birth to another.... see? On a german video someone said sheep would generate a great deal of money if you raise them to become 36 months old. I'm not gonna recalculate this for the pigs but with sheep my information given was I need to raise them to 36 months, first reproduction starts at 10 months and then repeats every 5 months. This will finally lead into a cycle where you reach 2.240 sheep and at that point you get 320 newborns for every 320 that are old enough to be sold. Buying enough stables to accomodate all these sheep leads to a multi-million investment that almost takes a decade to break even on your initial cost. So my final verdict would be only play with pigs for the sake of wanting to play with them, you'll likely never make any money from them untill they decide to change some values in the base game.

@radekm9922

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lexor888 thanks, of course you are right income in the table does not mach amount of food displayed.

Great video I might try pigs on my NML map 😀 now I guess you can only sell pigs to the animal dealer and having a pig type of production plant like making bacon or ham or what ever would be nice

Also if grow sorghum which groes fast the same field can give 2 grass harvests before replanting time!

For the algorithm. Likes, comments, shares, and subscriptions help your content creators more than you realize. Keep it up Scroft!

Excellent work.... :) Your videos are awesome! Thank you for all the time you spend putting this data together.

@Scroft

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

You're view matches my testing, even selling the slurry and manure then on normal economy you will make about 20% more just selling the crops. And buying pig food costs more than you'll make selling the pigs. Disappointing as pigs were a great earner in FS19. If you're playing on hard economy pigs should make you more money so long as you grow the crops.

Great video Scroft. It's a shame pigs aren't comparatively profitable. Your spreadsheets are a nice resource too.

based on my playthough, i get 76% more money running 5 full size pig pens, in a roll, that is 270 pigs every 4 months i sell , the crops would net me 900,000 if sold to sellpoints while i get 1,6 million for the pigs , that is 700k profit , but it requires a ton of work :D i did not know they would breed if you only gave them base and grain ... will change that and save a bit of work :P

Great analysis. Growing all that feed seems like a source of free food, but how much could you have sold all that at? What is the opportunity cost? Is there a prorated cost for any pig barns or special equipment like a slurry wagon?

The detail you go into is very impressive. Thanks for the work!

I would have tested giving them Base, Grain, Protein as that would be almost full. and if I got breeding the next logical to try would be Base and Grain only. Giving them base food is 49% giving them all but Base food is 49% Giving them just Base and Grain would be 73% and all but root would be 93%

When growing up on the farm we never have pigs food like that. They eat what you feed them no science needed. Pig slop all the leftovers from the house also went to them

@Scroft

2 жыл бұрын

Spot on, not sure why giants made it this way. You should be able to feed them everything

I have never played a farming simulator game. I recently found your channel and the livestock portion of the game seems very interesting with crop farming on the side. Is it viable to start with livestock then move into crops?

Are pigs viable if you store buy pig food at first like if you wanted to get into them early? What would the profit cuts look like from that.

@Scroft

2 жыл бұрын

If you buy pig food then it will cost you more overall

@demondog9482

2 жыл бұрын

@@Scroft get the big pen that holds 270 pigs, buy 135 piglets. Dont feed them till 20 months old then feed them pig food for 4 months. They will reproduce 135 piglets and will be worth 1200 each. Do the same with your new piglets. Problem Is pigs eat almost more then they are worth. needs fixed

So when animals reach their max price for market do they stop producing young? For e.g when the pigs hit 24months they won't produce anymore piglets?

@Scroft

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah will keep breeding but stop growing in value

@ys053rious6

2 жыл бұрын

@@Scroft so you wouldn't really need to switch them base breeders out you could just keep them as the initial breeders and just switch out the newborns to fatten up, and just put those 30 down as the initial startup costs

Surely it's 5 piglets per 24 months if you take into account the 1 pig being born in month 25?

Have you ever tested using Slurry/Manure vs Fertilizer. It does not seem to make financial sense to use Slurry/Manure. Wondering if you are better off to sell the Slurry/Manure and buy fertilizer.

There’s a TMR production plant mod, I’m sure they could do the same for the pig food. Honestly it was more of a necessity for pig food than TMR

@skoski5860

2 жыл бұрын

there is tmr and pigfood production combination that i use so i just fill it with 800k of each item and it makes both pig food and tmr at same time :) cost 370k to buy but well worth it :)

@videoholic98xbox360

2 жыл бұрын

@@skoski5860 I’ll have to check the mod hub because I’d like to make some from crops I have. It’d make sense for Giants to have added a mixer for pigs or just allow you to change the type of output on the forage mixers

@richake1834

Жыл бұрын

@@skoski5860 what combo mod did you use and what platform? Thanks

@Scroft I love your videos, they are well done and informative. I have noticed a small error I think. I'm not sure you have factored in your original pigs offspring having their own offspring. In 25 months, starting with 10 pigs, you will have 90 pigs of varying age... so with 30 pigs you would have over 270pigs in 25m

great video, question does the pen only allow you to put a certain number to account not to hit max when they start having babies

Great job thank you 👍

If pigs cost £200 and it takes 4 months to make one, keeping your older pigs makes more sense as it equates to $50 per month of production. Growing out maxes out at ~£41 if you just sell them when they are older.

Taken your calculations into the account I would say buy ready pig food from the shop and you make profit plus if you sale slurry and manure or use it for the field the saving for using organic instead of chemicals would increase the number. I so based on full sale 144,000 for pigs 30.450 Slurry to bga what generate about 900 -1200 per 1000liter but I don’t own one so sale price is 700 Manure is a bit of a difficult one but I recon for 2 stage fertilisation you could save around 10000-15000 easily ---------- I would say based on your calculation you earn around 200k you take 76000 for buying pig food at the shop and you got your self a nice profit. I do recommend I production mod what creates pug feed / a silo what unloads pig food or auto load what helps with the amount of pallets you need. Reason I answer here is because i have pig on the French map and there are a nice stable income for with not much work if you use pig food :-)

So one year later, animals is not profitable on easy econlmy. On hard economy suddenly they are worth the effort because grain is worthless in comparison. Animal prices stay the same no matter what difficulty you play on.

You need a masters degree in feeding just to get some damn bacon in this game :)

You need to take the manure and slurry in to account when you count the profits.

@Lexor888

2 жыл бұрын

To be honest that's not an easy task to calculate for that and I'll tell you why. If you're just planning on selling it you can already neglect the numbers just because 1.000 liters of manure or slurry only sell for 60 bucks in a normal difficulty setting (that's practically nothing). If you're planning on using it yourself on the fields instead of fertilizer you also need to take into account that the equipment to bring manure and slurry to teh fields is very expensive and it will take you many years to break even just by not having to buy the fertilizer. If you're planning on using it in your BGA... well you need a BGA for that and they don't come cheap either so if you were to buy said BGA just for the sake of being able to burn your slurry and manure it's gonna take many decades untill you get your money back from that investment.

@simon7109100

2 жыл бұрын

@@Lexor888 I think it’s a fair cheat to buy the BGA on the map with cheat money. The BGA always worked like that on mod maps, you owned it by default so you can use it

I just did the math on this. If I use your numbers, and use average sell prices (Barley, Canola, Sugar beet and Corn) on the food they need in 24 months. Then 100 pigs eats food worth 155.608 and produce slurry and Manure worth 36.461. So thats expenses of 119.146 to sell them for 120.000. (They also produce 400 piglets, but they also need food). So pigs are only for fun in this game.

@Someguy6571

2 жыл бұрын

grain prices grow raise and lower depending on time, where as pig price is the same regardless. Still Giants seemingly are getting more lazy and not really putting proper effort into things to balance out the economy. Lastly selling grain is just boring. After all these games I am just tired of straight selling grain. I spend more time now in production chains and other thing rather than just straight selling.

I saw a post saying selling at 10 months was best, as the pigs cost more to keep the older they get?.

Just seems weird to me that Giants didn't like the idea of a slaughter house production being a thing for animals. Guess they're scared of possible backlash from the parents of younger children, or game rating. Anyways if you do want that type of thing, as in reality role play, I beleive you can get the mods from Old Mans site, creator of the Ricci maps.

A mod would be nice that converts sugar beets to pig food like in 19. Just place it in your bunker silo, ferment and pig food

@Scroft

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Hopefully soon we will see something like this 👍

It is important to note, that you compared 2x 6 Months of feeding with 12 Months, so as it seems to me the amount consumed stays constant as soon as the pigs are 6 months old

In that second i thought about something very important. If You don't want to grow 4 different plants for your pigs, just drill oats, sell them with best price around 2k$ and BUY PIG FOOD- you will have 2x pig food than oats and it is distributing automatically for the best effect. I didn't tried this, i sold my pigs and buildings and in that second that appeared in my head. Have fun!

@giannisxalkis1965

2 жыл бұрын

there is no point of playing fs22 on easy bro u can literally buy silage from the shop and sell it for profit

@grzegorzpaczewski8529

2 жыл бұрын

@@giannisxalkis1965 but i'm not doing it. This is computer game and i want it to be fun. On normal you can sell oats too and it will be still worth it. I have 100 hours on that save and plans for future equipment and ways to play. On normal or hard i would be bored to that time because of low money. I also often make stupid decisions which cost me money so better when there is plenty of them :D

@giannisxalkis1965

2 жыл бұрын

I mean there is no point farming pigs in easy mode its better just investing in things u can sell

One more test I would like to see is put baby pigs in pen and don't feed them for six months. Then sell breeding pigs and put low health, young, adult pigs in to replace them. Save money not feeding baby pigs(pretend you did of coarse) and have a adults breed while they are being healthed up. ?? Would that work?

this was very helpful. don't do pigs.

Were pigs ever updated?

I feed my pigs Pig food from the shop, To rent a root crop havister cost 25k, add to that the cost of growing and harvisting and the time involved, its not worth feeding them anything other than Pig Food, I think it was about 30k to fill the food to its max

@jimbo32234

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, think I'm on easy, but pig food is £900 per 1000l. As I can get over £1000 per 1000l for my crops,I may as well sell it and use pig food. A large sty (270) consumes around 12 bags of feed per month, so combined with the low income I'm going to sell the pigs and get cows instead.

@ape3774

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimbo32234 Cows are better , Sheep are good to

On normal economy average sale price of the crops you'd need for 24 months of feeding 120 pigs would be $108,189.24. For just grain and base you're looking at $73,455.24.

@blaze9872

2 жыл бұрын

Corn requires 4.15 HA field, barley requires 1.98 HA, sugarbeets requires 0.07 HA and canola requires 2.63 HA.

@blaze9872

2 жыл бұрын

Oh and at 150% price for your crops you're looking at $162,283.5 or $110,182.86.

So the idea is to never sell from the holding pens. Sell from the breeding pen when there are pigs old enough in the holding pens to replace them.

U can make a lot of money on pigs, Just need to know how to do it

@brodeurguy9071

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@Lexor888

2 жыл бұрын

Unless you spread your wisdom with us idiots I'll give your comment as much credit as I'd give to a flat earther or any other conspiracy theorist... At the moment (current game mechanics) raising pigs consumes a higher value of food then the pigs generate in selling price if you feed them all availlable/necessary food sources. Someone in the comments mentioned you'd only need to feed base + grain for them to reach 100% productivity , in that case (if the spreadsheet is correct) every single raised pig would net a profit of roughly 400 bucks after 24 months in a normal difficulty environment. That is not much You could sell them earlier which would lead to a higher volume in sold pigs but at a lower profit since they sell for less money - well as already mentioned unless you fill me in with hard numbers I'm not gonna fire up my calculator... So please give us the hard facts/numbers of what to feed them and when to sell them and how many pigs we are talking about and if we are keeping the offspring to also sell them at a fixed age and then I'll prove to you that almost any other activity in the game will lead to a higher profit margin. Nobody is making "a lot of money" on pigs unless you use some kind of mods of alter some game files yourself...

But this doesn't matter to most players anyway, they will keep the health at max, and keep the pigs healthy.. The most important thing ain't to earn the most, but having the most fun they can have in game 🤷

It'a ironic pigs cost the most to feed given that they are famously unfussy eaters

i Just found out you cant build more then 10 animal pens on ps4 pro, i built four chicken coups, and wanted to expand my sheep to 8, for rotating them, but i was stuck at six pens... Tried another animal but that didnt work either. Man this is kind of dumb! 😪

@Scroft

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, on PC there is a mod that expands the amount you can have to 64. It's a shame you can't have more on console 😕

Whats protein food ?

@pvds6417

2 жыл бұрын

Did you watch the video?

@brodeurguy9071

2 жыл бұрын

I would suggest reviewing the video @The Munter44. If you need further assist, jump onto the discord and we can assist ya. Hope all is well

On normal economy, its just not worth it. I'm making about 10% profit compared to selling crops. If you factor in price of maintenance on vehicles and trailers for feeding, cost of pig pigs, animal trailers, logistics...you break even. Only worth it on hard mode. But still not good like cows and chickens. Alteast they are better than horses which are a joke...it takes a decade to pay for the pen.

It seems.pigs are more trouble than they are worth for the time needed to mess with them

I make way more Profit with pigs in real Life.