#nhl #hockey #torontomapleleafs In this video, we take a deep dive into one of the more 'controversial' topics in NHL hockey. Does size truly matter?
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@bryanr889726 күн бұрын
As a coach, I don't care how big you are, I care how big you play. But it's easier to play big if you are big.
@v4v819
25 күн бұрын
I found historically the toughest players are often among the smallest in the league... Tie Domi is a prime example- not a bad hockey player also!
@v4v819
24 күн бұрын
@AdamOBrien-e4p I dig your theory! I think if smaller kids was encouraged to see it as a challenge not a handicap then there would be more great players given what your theory reveals about what makes a great player great compared to great talent without a need to better himself...
@itaintobeezy
21 күн бұрын
Coping is nice, but size does matter and smaller guys have to make up for it
@v4v819
21 күн бұрын
@@itaintobeezy NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
@MrBallzy
20 күн бұрын
@@bryanr8897 Referring to NHL players.
@warriors121826 күн бұрын
Marty st. Louis got me into this sport
@jonathanallard2128
25 күн бұрын
SO glad he's the Habs, my favorite team's coach. Loved him as a player. Hope he stays a while.
@JesusFriedChrist
25 күн бұрын
One of the best players Calgary let get away, in our extensive list of greats we let slip through our fingers.
@dr.loomis4221
25 күн бұрын
How so? Like a father figure? Showed you the ropes and what not?
@warriors1218
25 күн бұрын
@@dr.loomis4221 appearing to me in a dream
@ethanparker7900
23 күн бұрын
yes was fortunate to have watched him throughout elementary and middle school
@dariusk768626 күн бұрын
For their wifes it does
@RaydenGriffith
26 күн бұрын
Prolly not when you bringing home millions 😂
@eliyahumachlis7516
26 күн бұрын
Wth is wrong with you
@connnmnn
26 күн бұрын
Only the size of the bank
@dariusk7686
26 күн бұрын
@@eliyahumachlis7516 I identify as funny My pronouns are hehe
@one7decimal2eight
26 күн бұрын
@dariusk7686 lmao. Take this up vote, you badass.
@thebestdefenseman26 күн бұрын
as a kings fan, i always looked at the difference between Blake Lizotte and PLD. Lizotte is listed at 5’9 although he looks way smaller (i’d say like 5’7). Lizzo is an absolute hound, constantly forchecking, back checking, stick checking, body checking. whereas PLD just looks lazy out there and doesn’t have a care in the world. i always thought that if PLD had Lizzo’s mentality, he would be an absolute superstar. but there’s a reason Lizotte is built like this, because he had to be.
@Marden04
26 күн бұрын
Somewhat related to how Lindros never had to learn to skate with his head up prior to getting to the NHL. He never had to.
@RIPJimmyA7X
25 күн бұрын
As an Avs and Habs fan,Lehkonen is the exact same way. He's an absolute pit bull on the forecheck even though he's 5'10 175
@Tombauer97
25 күн бұрын
The same Lizotte that kept getting pushed around by the Oilers? Lol he stinks
@prospero11
24 күн бұрын
@@Tombauer97 losers, haha, choked again. All summer long and forever. s0ilers choked when it counted.
@billymays7210
21 күн бұрын
If LA wanted to practice their penalty kill, put PLD out there for a shift. If they needed a power play, put Blake out there…
@gabrielidusogie918926 күн бұрын
Brad Marchand, Martin St Louis, Theoren Fleury, Nathan Gerbe, Alex DeBrincat, Patrick Kane, Cole Caufield, Artemi Panarin, Kirill Kaprizov, etc... I'm sure Im forgetting some players but there are tons of high scoring NHLers who have proven that you can get by in the Show being under 6'
@christopheryellman533
26 күн бұрын
Daniel Briere.
@oatis053
26 күн бұрын
Some of the greatist hockey players all time were not big guys!
@jaredmartin8790
25 күн бұрын
Mike Peca
@twillison8824
25 күн бұрын
It's easier to get lost in the mix, so to say as a smaller player too.
@thestarlightalchemist7333
25 күн бұрын
Yamamoto?
@HockeyPlaymaker2526 күн бұрын
Im really sad no one mentions Nathan grebe he was so underrated for a little guy dude he had hands and grit at freaking 5,4!
@TrevorD19
25 күн бұрын
Or andrew shaw
@joeq.public281
23 күн бұрын
Best dwarf in NHL history
@v4v819
11 күн бұрын
He had a big pee pee though...
@TrevorD1926 күн бұрын
Can you do a tallest and smallest teams video?
@McKnightBlade
26 күн бұрын
Second this
@wrs900
26 күн бұрын
3rd this
@carissa1201
26 күн бұрын
4th this
@TrevorD19
26 күн бұрын
Anyone got any initial thoughts on the top 5 tallest teams. He mentioned the bruins and Panthers, but the entire Blackhawks defense is 6'2+. Heck Alex Vlasic is 6'7"
@bl00df4rt
25 күн бұрын
I think it would be cool to talk about how the size has changed over the years too. Are teams getting smaller?
@bobdobalini26 күн бұрын
Size makes it way easier for a player, a smaller person is gonna have to work much harder, but can still succeed in this league.
@MrBallzy
26 күн бұрын
Regular season but not in the playoffs.
@mithex8414
26 күн бұрын
@@MrBallzyplayoffs is when you really notice how much height can affect a player. especially defenseman
@MrBallzy
25 күн бұрын
@@mithex8414 absolutely 👍
@thejfk_experience490
25 күн бұрын
@@MrBallzyapparently not marchessault lmao
@v4v819
25 күн бұрын
If you're under 6 feet then you can't help your team get deep in the playoffs but you can become an all star in the regular season on your frazzle dazzle but you're be injured or rag dolled in the playoffs and the wear and tear at the size will break you before the second round begins...
@riff5fki26 күн бұрын
Once I did a calculation of how many players in the top 100 scorers of all time (and playoff scorers) were at or below current NHL average (6'0, 200lbs). 46% of all time point scorers were below that (including critically, Gretzky) and 43% of all time playoff scorers. So sure, having some size benefits players, but clearly its infinitely more about HOW you play vs how tall you are.
@tylerriggs95
25 күн бұрын
But how many of them are 5’10-5’11. Most people who have played know those 2 inches don’t mean much once you’re on the rink.
@chady7009
25 күн бұрын
The average height of an North American man is 5'9, considering in the last draft 3 players below 5'10 were drafted, I'm going to assume that being big in hockey is the answer.
@floxy20
19 күн бұрын
In the old days men in general were much smaller so you must refine your data to take this into consideration.
@sophiewang1025
19 күн бұрын
It's incredibly rare to have the kind of talent the top 100 scorers all time have though. Size doesn't matter for them because they have extremely high-level skill that separates them from everyone else. To see if size matters you have to look at third/fourth-liners or second/third-pair defensemen, because their skill level is closer to the "average" of the league and thus isn't something that can separate them from the rest of the players.
@chady7009
19 күн бұрын
@@sophiewang1025 Totally agree. Size matters, but I think it doesn't matter as much as some people believe. There probably is a little bit of selection bias where coaches prefer bigger players and penalize smaller players leading to less opportunities and game time. With that said being bigger for sure is optimally selected for otherwise more statistically short players (sub 5'9) would be in the league.
@electrohouselover0719 күн бұрын
I am lacking words to tell you how good that video is. Now days 90% of videos and article are lacking relevant information and correlation between statements. What you just did is captivating, informative and is applicable to the past and future of hockey. Thank you very much for that! PS: there is one thing I will say about the part where you talk about McDavid's speed and how other players can match his speed. I truly don't believe anyone can match his speed with the puck. Without it you are correct, but no player skates like him with the puck.
@Ferd_Turgeson26 күн бұрын
In that clip of Saros you can actually see him set his left skate in anticipation of pushing off to his right…. man, I really appreciate your vids thanks!🎉
@andrewmulligan401821 күн бұрын
Truly the best hockey videos on YT. Well done. Every time
@chrisfricano1826 күн бұрын
love this style of video so much. hope to see more of it even during the season
@DW-wf1ti24 күн бұрын
Your videos are awesome man, never played but enjoy following the sport and you’re teaching me so much
@Marden0426 күн бұрын
Had to pause the video just to admire John MacLean in that red and green Devils sweater with the red bucket. Art.
@gTuya1126 күн бұрын
There are small players that play big and big players that play small. Comparatively small 6’0” Demitri Kulikov plowed 6’8” Matt Rempe like s pile of snow, while Ryan Lomberg, who no matter what metrics say cannot be taller than 5’8” because im taller than him, never gets pushed around.
@BodyofWater_26 күн бұрын
Love how you showed Makars poke check against McDavid in the playoffs. Him and Towes put on a masterclass against McDavid and Drai in the playoffs. It’s a thing of beauty
@Markymark-gg6qf
26 күн бұрын
And yet both of them still scored on him😂. Forsling and ekblad did a better job specially forsling
@RIPJimmyA7X
25 күн бұрын
That wcf was the only time I've seen McDavid suprised and thrown off by someone else's speed. That Avs speed completely neutralized his greatest strength.
@Markymark-gg6qf
25 күн бұрын
@@RIPJimmyA7X yet we still got 7 points.. he js had no defense or depth and goaltending
@BodyofWater_
24 күн бұрын
@@Markymark-gg6qf They did nothing special. McDavid doesn’t look like McDavid against the Avs, sorry bud. Ive seen no pair do better against Drai and McDavid in the playoffs than Towes and Makar, not sure what to tell ya. The times I’ve seen them play against one another in the playoffs Drai and McDavid were also on the same line. Not sure why you’re so triggered lol
@BodyofWater_
24 күн бұрын
@@Markymark-gg6qf Also don’t be a loser bro, stop saying “we” did anything. You didn’t do sht, they don’t know who you are lol
@bted26 күн бұрын
This is one of the more fascinating aspects of the game to me. It seems like a mix of size vs speed is always best. As a Devils fan, we used to be known as a VERY physical team back in the day. The new focus on speed and skill got us Jack and Luke, Bratt, Hischier, but that was a clear problem last year when teams made a point of physically steamrolling us. Fitzgerald went and got McDermid ... because he had to, and then there was a clear focus on getting bigger and more physical players this offseason. I hope the balance is right now.
@jeremymacdonald964825 күн бұрын
Nice analysis with the tendys in this video -- I am a goalie myself and would love to see more of your commentary on the intricacies of the position.
@wafflefortress25 күн бұрын
Amazing deep dive, as always.
@jonathanchin339625 күн бұрын
I love your videos, if you could get to it, I'd very much appreciate it as a Devils fan a deep-dive into why they failed this past season after a record-setting campaign and after making some offseason additions whether or not they can actually become legit contenders.
@oilraider564026 күн бұрын
Wicked video! Thanks
@zadler2426 күн бұрын
excellent video thanks!
@austingullickson852925 күн бұрын
Bro said Hedman was 6’7” then 3 minutes later 6’6”😂😂
@TheMagn1fico24 күн бұрын
Great video!
@nicolasderuiter169926 күн бұрын
Fantastic video
@awwwshucks44326 күн бұрын
Size plus skill plus speed plus brains: Barkov.
@GoodMenstruationAttitude24 күн бұрын
Glad to see you have a balanced take on this. There's no better time to be a smaller player in the NHL, but it's still a game played on ice. If weight (not to mention reach) didn't matter on ice, curlers wouldn't obsess over stone weight. Yes a player is mobile and can change direction very quickly these days, but when there is contact, suddenly weight matters a lot on the ice. Posture and speed can help a tough small player overcome some of this effect, but there are also guys out there who have speed, skill, *and* size.
@morrisderrick541226 күн бұрын
I would like to see a similar video on Theo Flurey and Cliff Roning and their success and others in that era
@user-kl1vd4cj6j
25 күн бұрын
Yeah Cliff Ronning was incredible
@seen4824 күн бұрын
I wonder how Bedard would do with wood sticks? As an Oilers fan totally agree with your views on Skinner, down way too soon. I think goalies would be more successful if they learned how to poke check. Rare to see now. Great video.
@riff5fki26 күн бұрын
I also always think of Clayton Keller, who is one of my favorite players. He's small and light, but if you watch him play, it's not like he plays scared. He just knows how to position himself, and as messy as the Coyotes were, they usually did a good job of complimenting Keller's skills with linemates who had more of that size to work with. And tbh too much size can be a detriment, it's hard to learn to skate when you get past 6'5, it can be difficult to move effectively. It's why Silayev was such an enticing prospect for a lot of teams this draft (even if imo he doesnt have the skill), it's why Matt Rempe got pushed to be an enforcer.
@ryanTDG26 күн бұрын
After the 05 lockout, guys who could skate and make plays were put on a pedestal as the game became more about the ability to possess the puck and generate opportunities. Smaller guys all of a sudden had an advantage. Now the bigger guys have adjusted their games to be much better skaters than big guys were 15 years ago so the edge smaller guys had is now becoming extinct, IMO. I think the lanky ectomorph build will be taking over the game soon. Like you said, tall and lanky enough to protect pucks, slender enough to skate w speed and agility but yet a project able frame for strength.
@coreysghostglowmask865026 күн бұрын
Size make a huge difference in playoffs... a lot of those undersized players get wrecked during the playoffs
@clubkid1326 күн бұрын
Hellebuyck just won the Vezina…he is 6’4 and 207 lbs so size for sure helps in net
@Faygo_ZeR0
26 күн бұрын
He shouldn’t have won it
@TheWastedLight
26 күн бұрын
@@Faygo_ZeR0naw Hellebuyck was by far the best goalie this year, only person close was demko but he was hurt for to long to give him a real chance
@opinionaytedonhockey
25 күн бұрын
That's a little different but I will say there are great goalies just under 6 ft
@Andyanddiana467
25 күн бұрын
He didn’t get out of the first round, though.
@Faygo_ZeR0
25 күн бұрын
@@TheWastedLight bro had like a 860 and a 5.66 in the playoffs 💀💀💀💀
@voightkampffchamp19 күн бұрын
Would love to see the correlation between size and injury rates and types
@hootszilla25 күн бұрын
This is what i like about hockey and its so different compared to other sports, where you might just need to be tall or big and bulky or lean. there is balance of skill and toughness in hockey and i feel like it gives players options on what style they play, And there is nothing better than someone lining up a big and getting dangled or vise versa
@ExploringNS24 күн бұрын
Thats like me asking that question. So weird when people try to answer questions they arent trained to answer😊
@prototek10025 күн бұрын
You say Bedard Should take lessons from Gretzky when it comes to avoiding being hit. I agree, but he should also look at the guy who Gretzky looked at and learned from when he was 15 years old; Bobby Clarke. Clarke found ways to avoid but also deal with it when he had to. Look at him, it's amazing that he was part of the 1970's Flyers team and not only survived but thrived. That alone puts him up there as one of the greats in my book.
@malcolmapplet4313
25 күн бұрын
Patrick Kane used to and probably still does reach out to these guys for tips on not getting hit. Connor Bedard CAN'T get hit. Period. And dealing it out is all timing. But at the end of the day you have to maul other teams, you can't have 5 Connor Bedards (IMHO).
@TrevorD19
25 күн бұрын
@@malcolmapplet4313 (see team canada)
@bmac425 күн бұрын
Its fun to see Marty St Louis next to Zdeno Chara lol
@CaptainFSU26 күн бұрын
Zedno's height mattered little except for one thing: his stick, he had massive reach.
@TrevorD19
25 күн бұрын
and his slapshot
@v4v819
25 күн бұрын
I actually think that Chara is one of those exceptional big players that would have actually been better at his sport had he been a few inches shorter...
@CanoeToNewOrleans
12 күн бұрын
and the confidence it gave his teammates.
@v4v819
11 күн бұрын
@@CanoeToNewOrleans You're telling me Yzerman, Sakic, Crosby, Toews gave their teammates less confidence because they weren't a head taller than their opponents... Napoleon is an extreme threat for your state of mind, my overly simplistic friend...
@CanoeToNewOrleans
11 күн бұрын
@@v4v819 Without question. The Bruins played with more swagger and physicality when they had Chara. When the biggest guy in the league is on your team, you feel like you can get away with more because he'll back you up. All Stevie Y, Crosby, Sakic and Toews can do is score points. They can't kick ass.
@goodolgabbers995824 күн бұрын
Can't wait to see Hutson in the future
@martinriley10623 күн бұрын
What about Theo Fleury at 5’6” and Nathan Gerbe at 5’5” both brilliant players. It’s not all about being big, but you’re right that small players always get discarded as not good enough, but I’ve met enough smaller players over the years that could’ve matched many in the NHL in their day
@TheHowMan6821 күн бұрын
this channel is excellent for us hockey nuts
@nickrault648925 күн бұрын
best hockey page
@matthewfeigelstock367126 күн бұрын
It always matters unless you have the speed and the skill
@zjsz495425 күн бұрын
It’s rarely the most important thing but if you’re picking between 2 roughly equal players, one is 5’11 and the other is 6’3 you’re taking the bigger guy
@arvinrana389225 күн бұрын
I always remember hearing that a taller goalie was slow, he couldn’t move across the crease as fast. I never believed it
@sammy879626 күн бұрын
A good example to see both sides of the story is the avs defensemen. They’re a small group but defend extremely well, and because they’re so mobile they can transition and go offensive so well. The bad side is they lack the physicality. It’s not like they don’t play physically and don’t hit, but sometimes it’s tough to seperate the puck from the body, win a board battle, and clear out the front of the net. Luckily they’re all so good positionally, and are such a good possession and transition team, that it doesn’t really matter.
@stoneysopranoyukon939821 күн бұрын
Anyone remember Dennis Savard ? I used to love his patented spin-a-ramas back in the day ❤
@antoniocosta522325 күн бұрын
“Tall and strong defenseman” shows lil ol’ mcavoy
@Rorschachqp25 күн бұрын
Size in today's NHL, or lack thereof, won't prevent you from scoring goals or points. But lack of size is a big detriment in playoff-style hockey.
@josephtaylor385725 күн бұрын
"Size matters not...look at me... judge me by my size do you?" -Master Yoda
@Ewerboweski25 күн бұрын
like most things, if you have abnormal talent, size can be overcome. but like anything, you slap a 6'8 guy against a 5'6 and the small guy loses almost everything if they have the exact same skill and brains. I am 6'2 and a dutch beanpole no matter what i do,. I wanted to be a TE in football but was always a WR because of speed jumping and height, but most of all, I just could not physically withstand another guy play after play who was an extra 45 to 60 pounds slamming into me the same way linemen can, or a guy who is 6'2 210 vs me at 6'2 165 on a heavy day, even with competitive bench numbers ext. we are all different, but hey, that is a fun part of being human
@epicon624 күн бұрын
I’m a 6’2” goalie 🎉 I grew up late, growing from 5’8” to 6’2” in close to a year, and really noticed the benefits when i reached my full size.
@robrick936124 күн бұрын
Without small players the game would get stale really fast. Little guys disadvantage forces them to find new ways to play and keep the game interesting.
@incumbentvinyl929118 күн бұрын
I like how Hedman shrunk during the video.
@emileeida72025 күн бұрын
I think being a standard size is best, not too big where you stand out, but not too small where you’re knocked all over. Most of the greats, including Wayne Gretzky, Connor McDavid, Sidney Crosby are all pretty normal in size (5’10-5’11). It allows for good body control, swiftness and ability to still defend yourself.
@Raumance26 күн бұрын
The game has changed very recently to protect players from needless hits and harassment with hooking not being allowed anymore. It's more of a skill game where you are actually meant to play hockey instead of just brutalize the opponents best player. When skill can be expressed then it favors the smaller players with less mass being more accurate and faster. NBA is the best demonstration of how mass decreases accuracy. But in hockey being smaller really means being 5'11". Don't get much benefit from being smaller than that. Weight matters when there's elevation but as hockey is played on a completely flat surface both length and power are more important for speed. Bedard is pretty much as small as you can be without starting to suffer from it. At 5'5" I would guess that makes you slower. Would be fine for a climber in cycling or some sport where you directly benefit from less weight. But in hockey you have less reach, shorter stride and you really suffer in a large part of the game when battling for puck. It's not that you can replace size with skill but the other way around. Size can account for a lack of skill. You have very few small players who are average but you have a lot of big players who are. For goalies it's a much more obvious situation where simply being bigger makes it easier to block shots. But once you go basketball big you become too cumbersome to move fast and get into those awkward positions.. Like for 7 footers joints are a problem.
@user-jt4pr3fn7d26 күн бұрын
Breaking news: The rangers didnt make it to the cup finals because Shesterkin was too short
@tomcooks2562
26 күн бұрын
What kind of logic is this
@rantanen1
26 күн бұрын
@@tomcooks2562 it's called a joke
@grandcrowdadforde6127
26 күн бұрын
>>> awww!.....no!
@todddavis5433
26 күн бұрын
It was because their pp went cold
@VarjoPira
25 күн бұрын
Shortskin, _feelsbadman._
@connorbrechbill651626 күн бұрын
Size definitely comes in handy during the postseason. When you’re in a very physical and grueling series, having a big, fast and nasty team will pay off dividends as the series progresses and wearing down your opponent. That adage is correct though. Scouts always love big players. Especially if said big players have the skating ability and hands to complement their size. Whereas smaller players have to be that much better than every other player their size to draw interest.
@AlaskaPalms25 күн бұрын
Just feels good having a great defenseman on our Canucks man.
@jasonmelendez521625 күн бұрын
Depends on your role and style of play. Body mechanics is more important. Some people just move and look as if they are not "comfortable" performing in their body.
@playboiwill_539721 күн бұрын
Can you do a video of the best goalie
@RIPJimmyA7X25 күн бұрын
For an individual player it doesnt really matter, however to build a cup winning team you have to have good size all over the roster. Tampa, Colorado, Vegas and Florida all had big rosters
@intuitionexpress775325 күн бұрын
Would it be safe to take off 1-2” off all these heights? Being that they’re most likely all inflated a bit
@matthewfeigelstock367126 күн бұрын
Conner mcdavid is a spitting image of what happens when you do everything right, the way he can process a play happening in mer seconds is the result of of his ability too read off everyone this has nothing too do with his height and everything too do with the way he plays sees the game it’s one thing too witness it on tv but irl it’s something too beautiful truly
@tomblade
25 күн бұрын
*to
@jeremymercer5655
25 күн бұрын
I agree that most of what makes him good has nothing to do with his height. But if he were shorter I suspect he would be slightly slower on top speed. You could maybe argue he would have better agility, but Mcdavid is already insanely good at changing directions.
@seancosgrove125 күн бұрын
"Probably a small hockey player" Perfect
@coreysghostglowmask865025 күн бұрын
Lol... Hughes was pretty quiet during the playoff... its not like playing a tuesday night of november
@matthewsecord764125 күн бұрын
When Montreal had Larry Robison and Craig Ludwig that was huge. Pronger and his I'll say kids using angles was a thing. Hatcher was a guy that would hurt you really bad, and was an elite at his time. Boy this is a tough idea to think about. Would I want a Prime Makar or Prime Chara....
@matthewsecord7641
25 күн бұрын
The game has changed so much, this is difficult. Now if you had a Lindros or a Mario next year, it would ripple and change the game.
@mattsmith458925 күн бұрын
3:03 Ironic you mention Skinner I food not trust him for the Oilers. I feel like they should of been in on that Ullmark trade
@Rakshiir25 күн бұрын
Without watching the whole video, I'd say smaller size doesn't stop you from playing if you have the talent, but being taller it certainly helps with the physical part of the game (as long as you stay quick and agile)
@BahamutBreaker26 күн бұрын
Size is one thing that matters. Skating ability, or maneuverability, is another thing that matters. Cognitive talent, and especially cognitive processing speed and visual-spatial awareness, also matters. Straight up (physical) speed matters. And attitude, work ethic, and receptiveness to coaching & feedback matter. So, yes, size matters, but it’s only one of several important criteria.
@mattheww285522 күн бұрын
Don’t forget Patty Kane. Should have been mentioned as a MVP player in his prime. Also I would be interested to see career length for the smaller guys.
@MrBallzy26 күн бұрын
What you say is true during regular season, but playoffs go on a different standard. Size does matter. Quinn Heghes was rocked in the playoffs this year and near the end he was dumping the puck fast to avoid being hit by the bigger forwards. Which is why I feel Canucks are going big on all the other D'men. Small players can get you to the playoffs, but won't win you the cup.
@alexbuffaloboy
20 күн бұрын
Ya know, except that 5’ 9” guy who won the Conn Smythe last season
@MrBallzy
14 күн бұрын
@@alexbuffaloboy and Vegas let him walk when his contract was up.
@BodyofWater_26 күн бұрын
Watching Kariya and St. Louis play in the day of murderous open ice hits, magical to watch. Although Kariya getting demolished by Steven’s was hard to watch
@carparthero26 күн бұрын
i'm a tampa guy but am rooting for stankoven (DAL) at 5ft8 to win RoY in 2025. heart of a lion, and is willing to step to the big moment when called upon. 🔥
@seancosgrove125 күн бұрын
Growing up in the 90s, A 6'2" goalie was seen as pretty big, with lots of very good goalies who were 5'8"-5'10". Now I see a 6 foot Dustin Wolf and he looks tiny in the net.
@v4v819
25 күн бұрын
It's the composite stick... A real game changer that makes everyone's shot as fast and deceptive as the top 2 snipers of the league back in the day... Also allows for more shot selection because you can let off a lightning fast snap shot with the speed near the slapshot but the accuracy of a wrister... And players are so good at shooting off their off-leg and disguising their shot as well as dangling plus moving the shot placement point on the fly that there's almost no time for anticipation for the goaltender and a wrister can get near 100 miles an hour- faster than what the human eye can detect... You need a super sound technical game with your angles nailed now to have a chance and a big body essential because even small cracks bring the wall down with most top goal scorers these days... Having said all that... I still think Brett had the best one-timer of all time with that wooden stick and his fluid motion and perfect Technique... No one could track the goaltender's shifting weight from one foot to another like Brett! Most his goals were low- like most goals in history in the league- and he would always react to the goaltender and shoot it contrary to his position and reaction and direction of movement...
@TheFamousUnderground26 күн бұрын
For some reason Cale Makar seems much taller to me than Quinn Hughes. Crazy there is only 1 inch height difference between them.
@Markymark-gg6qf
26 күн бұрын
Obviously quinn isn’t 5’10😂😂 probably like 5’8
@stephenphillips6245
21 күн бұрын
@@Markymark-gg6qf5'10 is a joke ...I thought...at first.
@josephweimers402122 күн бұрын
As a goalie measured.at 179cm. Im often mentioned to be too small to be a great goalie but my hockey iq and skating ability made me an outlier that my beer league goalie rival struggled to keep up with me. Ended up playing moslty lob sided games cause i would occasionally be unbeatable when i read and move like a champ.
@mattatr0n67724 күн бұрын
I think PLD proves another reason why size is so desirable. When it comes to trading, losses can be recouped easier if the player, while horrible, has size. Last point: during the golden age of the NJ Devils, they had Scott Stevens 6'0 Scott Niedermayer 6'0 Ken Daneyko 6'0 Brian Rafalski 5'10
@mike8099m25 күн бұрын
It’s ok to have a couple small forward’s.
@Semaj232625 күн бұрын
As a Devils fan the average height for d men makes me feel a lot better about the size of Hughes and Nemec. I’ve heard chatter about Nemec being small but I never really bought into it.
@dkg898523 күн бұрын
I legit had no idea Marchessault was 5'9, he doesn't play like it.
@TheRealAT22 күн бұрын
A huge factor as to why Nashville lost in the first round was saros’ inability to cover the top of the net and see over screens.
@todddavis543326 күн бұрын
My question is..how tall is Bettman?? 😂😂
@Redmenace9625 күн бұрын
Marchessault listed at 183 lbs, by the Stanley Cup Final he may have been as light as 175 lbs. Don't think he was shorter than 5'9", though.
@Andyanddiana46725 күн бұрын
You need a good mix. Small speedsters with great hockey IQ are important, but you gotta have some muscle for the corner battles and create space for the little guys.
@dana10208324 күн бұрын
I went to the antique store in edmonton on calgary trail a few years back..found that gem of gretzky picture posing shirtless lol it was worth over 100 bux ha ha always make me laugh :) The game has chan ged but love to see teams manipulate what they have on the spectrum of toughness rather than size, albeit size usually means more toughness..but I always root for guys like domi or marchand for working it lol
@axxura52867 күн бұрын
Right now i think it's a bit complex mostly cause if everyone has relatively the same skill level then being bigger will give you more of an advantage ( but that's just the on paper which is why it's complicated). As for goaltenders they are kind of doomed to have to be big cause no1 has been able to play in the NHL the same way Hasek did and with how dominant of a figure Roy was with a way way simpler goaltending method then Hasek's this has kind of become the basics of goaltending now a big body for a great butterfly with the height and weight to keep your self in a position to see and predict the play. Yes Hasek was around 6'1 but he was also only about 160lbs making him really small for a guy who is 6'1
@bluecalx922925 күн бұрын
Not me picking to be a goalie as a kid and never growing taller than 5’6.😒
@maxanderson887225 күн бұрын
Seeing dudes like St Louis, Sullivan, and now Bedard makes me sure the bias against small players has always been dumb. I'm a bit biased since I have a relative who played well in the league just below the CHL and despite lighting it up in the season he could have been drafted to the CHL, he was told to his face that he was too small. Apparently leading scoring and having solid two way play isn't enough
@Shanyis26 күн бұрын
W vid👍
@v4v81925 күн бұрын
When looking at big players you have to ask are they good because they are big or are they good and also they are big... There's a lot of big players that i wonder would they be in the league if they were several inches shorter. There's also some big players who may have been even better if they were a few inches shorter... I think if you're between 6'2 and 6'5 that's seems to be the sweet spot. But great players are always exceptional and more than the sum of their parts, and they mostly happen to be on the shorter side- with exceptions like Mario and Lindros coming to mind... And The Greatest of all time, was great in no one way- and 160 soaking wet. But, thought moves ahead and saw the game the way no one else on the ice could... There's more to the game than physicality and the cerebral side makes the player!
@joelmacdonald699419 күн бұрын
You can’t think an 18 year old at 5’10” is going to be his final size. Men have a final growth spurt after 18yo. I put on almost 1.5” between 19-21yo. I was always tall, I got even taller from Hight School to 21, and the biggest jump was around 20. I remember getting even more clumsy than usual at one point, and didn’t realize the cause until a checkup at the Dr. I thought I was done, but boom, another inch, and over the next year another 3/8”. I wouldn’t be surprised if Beds ends up close to 6’.
@StinkyMcdrinky-y9e14 күн бұрын
Size does matter but it's just one factor. Bedard wasn't just small, he had other weaknesses and is injury prone. Crosby was also earlier in his career, but no one thinks 5'11 200lb is too small to play in the NHL.
@mpaulm26 күн бұрын
It used to, but not anymore….unless you’re a goalie.
@edited1325
26 күн бұрын
It still matters in the playoffs
@durkcruzmuth25 күн бұрын
How does height correlate with save percentage?
@user-np4xe3sv3f26 күн бұрын
Serious question: is “his compete” the same as “his competitiveness”? Is that a Canadian way of saying that? Never heard ‘compete’ used that way.
@nicolasderuiter1699
26 күн бұрын
Yes, it’s a part of the hockey lexicon. The language of hockey has been one of my favourite things about following it
@user-np4xe3sv3f
26 күн бұрын
@@nicolasderuiter1699 interesting. Appreciate your response.
@joelniemann9547
24 күн бұрын
Thank you! I thought I was the only person that found it annoying. It's not just used in hockey, and it's born from typical "lazy-speak". Too lazy to say "competitiveness". It's stupid and needs to go away.
@user-np4xe3sv3f
24 күн бұрын
@@joelniemann9547 Funny. I tend towards being a Grammar National Socialist and hearing that usage of ‘compete’ had me feeling ill at ease. Was hoping it was restricted to hockey.
@chrisberry241425 күн бұрын
Bedard will see more contact if they ever reach the playoffs. Guessing injuries could be his biggest weakness.
@Insignia615 күн бұрын
It only matters if the guy with the size also has the skill. Aka Mario Lemieux, Eric Lindros.
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As a coach, I don't care how big you are, I care how big you play. But it's easier to play big if you are big.
@v4v819
25 күн бұрын
I found historically the toughest players are often among the smallest in the league... Tie Domi is a prime example- not a bad hockey player also!
@v4v819
24 күн бұрын
@AdamOBrien-e4p I dig your theory! I think if smaller kids was encouraged to see it as a challenge not a handicap then there would be more great players given what your theory reveals about what makes a great player great compared to great talent without a need to better himself...
@itaintobeezy
21 күн бұрын
Coping is nice, but size does matter and smaller guys have to make up for it
@v4v819
21 күн бұрын
@@itaintobeezy NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
@MrBallzy
20 күн бұрын
@@bryanr8897 Referring to NHL players.
Marty st. Louis got me into this sport
@jonathanallard2128
25 күн бұрын
SO glad he's the Habs, my favorite team's coach. Loved him as a player. Hope he stays a while.
@JesusFriedChrist
25 күн бұрын
One of the best players Calgary let get away, in our extensive list of greats we let slip through our fingers.
@dr.loomis4221
25 күн бұрын
How so? Like a father figure? Showed you the ropes and what not?
@warriors1218
25 күн бұрын
@@dr.loomis4221 appearing to me in a dream
@ethanparker7900
23 күн бұрын
yes was fortunate to have watched him throughout elementary and middle school
For their wifes it does
@RaydenGriffith
26 күн бұрын
Prolly not when you bringing home millions 😂
@eliyahumachlis7516
26 күн бұрын
Wth is wrong with you
@connnmnn
26 күн бұрын
Only the size of the bank
@dariusk7686
26 күн бұрын
@@eliyahumachlis7516 I identify as funny My pronouns are hehe
@one7decimal2eight
26 күн бұрын
@dariusk7686 lmao. Take this up vote, you badass.
as a kings fan, i always looked at the difference between Blake Lizotte and PLD. Lizotte is listed at 5’9 although he looks way smaller (i’d say like 5’7). Lizzo is an absolute hound, constantly forchecking, back checking, stick checking, body checking. whereas PLD just looks lazy out there and doesn’t have a care in the world. i always thought that if PLD had Lizzo’s mentality, he would be an absolute superstar. but there’s a reason Lizotte is built like this, because he had to be.
@Marden04
26 күн бұрын
Somewhat related to how Lindros never had to learn to skate with his head up prior to getting to the NHL. He never had to.
@RIPJimmyA7X
25 күн бұрын
As an Avs and Habs fan,Lehkonen is the exact same way. He's an absolute pit bull on the forecheck even though he's 5'10 175
@Tombauer97
25 күн бұрын
The same Lizotte that kept getting pushed around by the Oilers? Lol he stinks
@prospero11
24 күн бұрын
@@Tombauer97 losers, haha, choked again. All summer long and forever. s0ilers choked when it counted.
@billymays7210
21 күн бұрын
If LA wanted to practice their penalty kill, put PLD out there for a shift. If they needed a power play, put Blake out there…
Brad Marchand, Martin St Louis, Theoren Fleury, Nathan Gerbe, Alex DeBrincat, Patrick Kane, Cole Caufield, Artemi Panarin, Kirill Kaprizov, etc... I'm sure Im forgetting some players but there are tons of high scoring NHLers who have proven that you can get by in the Show being under 6'
@christopheryellman533
26 күн бұрын
Daniel Briere.
@oatis053
26 күн бұрын
Some of the greatist hockey players all time were not big guys!
@jaredmartin8790
25 күн бұрын
Mike Peca
@twillison8824
25 күн бұрын
It's easier to get lost in the mix, so to say as a smaller player too.
@thestarlightalchemist7333
25 күн бұрын
Yamamoto?
Im really sad no one mentions Nathan grebe he was so underrated for a little guy dude he had hands and grit at freaking 5,4!
@TrevorD19
25 күн бұрын
Or andrew shaw
@joeq.public281
23 күн бұрын
Best dwarf in NHL history
@v4v819
11 күн бұрын
He had a big pee pee though...
Can you do a tallest and smallest teams video?
@McKnightBlade
26 күн бұрын
Second this
@wrs900
26 күн бұрын
3rd this
@carissa1201
26 күн бұрын
4th this
@TrevorD19
26 күн бұрын
Anyone got any initial thoughts on the top 5 tallest teams. He mentioned the bruins and Panthers, but the entire Blackhawks defense is 6'2+. Heck Alex Vlasic is 6'7"
@bl00df4rt
25 күн бұрын
I think it would be cool to talk about how the size has changed over the years too. Are teams getting smaller?
Size makes it way easier for a player, a smaller person is gonna have to work much harder, but can still succeed in this league.
@MrBallzy
26 күн бұрын
Regular season but not in the playoffs.
@mithex8414
26 күн бұрын
@@MrBallzyplayoffs is when you really notice how much height can affect a player. especially defenseman
@MrBallzy
25 күн бұрын
@@mithex8414 absolutely 👍
@thejfk_experience490
25 күн бұрын
@@MrBallzyapparently not marchessault lmao
@v4v819
25 күн бұрын
If you're under 6 feet then you can't help your team get deep in the playoffs but you can become an all star in the regular season on your frazzle dazzle but you're be injured or rag dolled in the playoffs and the wear and tear at the size will break you before the second round begins...
Once I did a calculation of how many players in the top 100 scorers of all time (and playoff scorers) were at or below current NHL average (6'0, 200lbs). 46% of all time point scorers were below that (including critically, Gretzky) and 43% of all time playoff scorers. So sure, having some size benefits players, but clearly its infinitely more about HOW you play vs how tall you are.
@tylerriggs95
25 күн бұрын
But how many of them are 5’10-5’11. Most people who have played know those 2 inches don’t mean much once you’re on the rink.
@chady7009
25 күн бұрын
The average height of an North American man is 5'9, considering in the last draft 3 players below 5'10 were drafted, I'm going to assume that being big in hockey is the answer.
@floxy20
19 күн бұрын
In the old days men in general were much smaller so you must refine your data to take this into consideration.
@sophiewang1025
19 күн бұрын
It's incredibly rare to have the kind of talent the top 100 scorers all time have though. Size doesn't matter for them because they have extremely high-level skill that separates them from everyone else. To see if size matters you have to look at third/fourth-liners or second/third-pair defensemen, because their skill level is closer to the "average" of the league and thus isn't something that can separate them from the rest of the players.
@chady7009
19 күн бұрын
@@sophiewang1025 Totally agree. Size matters, but I think it doesn't matter as much as some people believe. There probably is a little bit of selection bias where coaches prefer bigger players and penalize smaller players leading to less opportunities and game time. With that said being bigger for sure is optimally selected for otherwise more statistically short players (sub 5'9) would be in the league.
I am lacking words to tell you how good that video is. Now days 90% of videos and article are lacking relevant information and correlation between statements. What you just did is captivating, informative and is applicable to the past and future of hockey. Thank you very much for that! PS: there is one thing I will say about the part where you talk about McDavid's speed and how other players can match his speed. I truly don't believe anyone can match his speed with the puck. Without it you are correct, but no player skates like him with the puck.
In that clip of Saros you can actually see him set his left skate in anticipation of pushing off to his right…. man, I really appreciate your vids thanks!🎉
Truly the best hockey videos on YT. Well done. Every time
love this style of video so much. hope to see more of it even during the season
Your videos are awesome man, never played but enjoy following the sport and you’re teaching me so much
Had to pause the video just to admire John MacLean in that red and green Devils sweater with the red bucket. Art.
There are small players that play big and big players that play small. Comparatively small 6’0” Demitri Kulikov plowed 6’8” Matt Rempe like s pile of snow, while Ryan Lomberg, who no matter what metrics say cannot be taller than 5’8” because im taller than him, never gets pushed around.
Love how you showed Makars poke check against McDavid in the playoffs. Him and Towes put on a masterclass against McDavid and Drai in the playoffs. It’s a thing of beauty
@Markymark-gg6qf
26 күн бұрын
And yet both of them still scored on him😂. Forsling and ekblad did a better job specially forsling
@RIPJimmyA7X
25 күн бұрын
That wcf was the only time I've seen McDavid suprised and thrown off by someone else's speed. That Avs speed completely neutralized his greatest strength.
@Markymark-gg6qf
25 күн бұрын
@@RIPJimmyA7X yet we still got 7 points.. he js had no defense or depth and goaltending
@BodyofWater_
24 күн бұрын
@@Markymark-gg6qf They did nothing special. McDavid doesn’t look like McDavid against the Avs, sorry bud. Ive seen no pair do better against Drai and McDavid in the playoffs than Towes and Makar, not sure what to tell ya. The times I’ve seen them play against one another in the playoffs Drai and McDavid were also on the same line. Not sure why you’re so triggered lol
@BodyofWater_
24 күн бұрын
@@Markymark-gg6qf Also don’t be a loser bro, stop saying “we” did anything. You didn’t do sht, they don’t know who you are lol
This is one of the more fascinating aspects of the game to me. It seems like a mix of size vs speed is always best. As a Devils fan, we used to be known as a VERY physical team back in the day. The new focus on speed and skill got us Jack and Luke, Bratt, Hischier, but that was a clear problem last year when teams made a point of physically steamrolling us. Fitzgerald went and got McDermid ... because he had to, and then there was a clear focus on getting bigger and more physical players this offseason. I hope the balance is right now.
Nice analysis with the tendys in this video -- I am a goalie myself and would love to see more of your commentary on the intricacies of the position.
Amazing deep dive, as always.
I love your videos, if you could get to it, I'd very much appreciate it as a Devils fan a deep-dive into why they failed this past season after a record-setting campaign and after making some offseason additions whether or not they can actually become legit contenders.
Wicked video! Thanks
excellent video thanks!
Bro said Hedman was 6’7” then 3 minutes later 6’6”😂😂
Great video!
Fantastic video
Size plus skill plus speed plus brains: Barkov.
Glad to see you have a balanced take on this. There's no better time to be a smaller player in the NHL, but it's still a game played on ice. If weight (not to mention reach) didn't matter on ice, curlers wouldn't obsess over stone weight. Yes a player is mobile and can change direction very quickly these days, but when there is contact, suddenly weight matters a lot on the ice. Posture and speed can help a tough small player overcome some of this effect, but there are also guys out there who have speed, skill, *and* size.
I would like to see a similar video on Theo Flurey and Cliff Roning and their success and others in that era
@user-kl1vd4cj6j
25 күн бұрын
Yeah Cliff Ronning was incredible
I wonder how Bedard would do with wood sticks? As an Oilers fan totally agree with your views on Skinner, down way too soon. I think goalies would be more successful if they learned how to poke check. Rare to see now. Great video.
I also always think of Clayton Keller, who is one of my favorite players. He's small and light, but if you watch him play, it's not like he plays scared. He just knows how to position himself, and as messy as the Coyotes were, they usually did a good job of complimenting Keller's skills with linemates who had more of that size to work with. And tbh too much size can be a detriment, it's hard to learn to skate when you get past 6'5, it can be difficult to move effectively. It's why Silayev was such an enticing prospect for a lot of teams this draft (even if imo he doesnt have the skill), it's why Matt Rempe got pushed to be an enforcer.
After the 05 lockout, guys who could skate and make plays were put on a pedestal as the game became more about the ability to possess the puck and generate opportunities. Smaller guys all of a sudden had an advantage. Now the bigger guys have adjusted their games to be much better skaters than big guys were 15 years ago so the edge smaller guys had is now becoming extinct, IMO. I think the lanky ectomorph build will be taking over the game soon. Like you said, tall and lanky enough to protect pucks, slender enough to skate w speed and agility but yet a project able frame for strength.
Size make a huge difference in playoffs... a lot of those undersized players get wrecked during the playoffs
Hellebuyck just won the Vezina…he is 6’4 and 207 lbs so size for sure helps in net
@Faygo_ZeR0
26 күн бұрын
He shouldn’t have won it
@TheWastedLight
26 күн бұрын
@@Faygo_ZeR0naw Hellebuyck was by far the best goalie this year, only person close was demko but he was hurt for to long to give him a real chance
@opinionaytedonhockey
25 күн бұрын
That's a little different but I will say there are great goalies just under 6 ft
@Andyanddiana467
25 күн бұрын
He didn’t get out of the first round, though.
@Faygo_ZeR0
25 күн бұрын
@@TheWastedLight bro had like a 860 and a 5.66 in the playoffs 💀💀💀💀
Would love to see the correlation between size and injury rates and types
This is what i like about hockey and its so different compared to other sports, where you might just need to be tall or big and bulky or lean. there is balance of skill and toughness in hockey and i feel like it gives players options on what style they play, And there is nothing better than someone lining up a big and getting dangled or vise versa
Thats like me asking that question. So weird when people try to answer questions they arent trained to answer😊
You say Bedard Should take lessons from Gretzky when it comes to avoiding being hit. I agree, but he should also look at the guy who Gretzky looked at and learned from when he was 15 years old; Bobby Clarke. Clarke found ways to avoid but also deal with it when he had to. Look at him, it's amazing that he was part of the 1970's Flyers team and not only survived but thrived. That alone puts him up there as one of the greats in my book.
@malcolmapplet4313
25 күн бұрын
Patrick Kane used to and probably still does reach out to these guys for tips on not getting hit. Connor Bedard CAN'T get hit. Period. And dealing it out is all timing. But at the end of the day you have to maul other teams, you can't have 5 Connor Bedards (IMHO).
@TrevorD19
25 күн бұрын
@@malcolmapplet4313 (see team canada)
Its fun to see Marty St Louis next to Zdeno Chara lol
Zedno's height mattered little except for one thing: his stick, he had massive reach.
@TrevorD19
25 күн бұрын
and his slapshot
@v4v819
25 күн бұрын
I actually think that Chara is one of those exceptional big players that would have actually been better at his sport had he been a few inches shorter...
@CanoeToNewOrleans
12 күн бұрын
and the confidence it gave his teammates.
@v4v819
11 күн бұрын
@@CanoeToNewOrleans You're telling me Yzerman, Sakic, Crosby, Toews gave their teammates less confidence because they weren't a head taller than their opponents... Napoleon is an extreme threat for your state of mind, my overly simplistic friend...
@CanoeToNewOrleans
11 күн бұрын
@@v4v819 Without question. The Bruins played with more swagger and physicality when they had Chara. When the biggest guy in the league is on your team, you feel like you can get away with more because he'll back you up. All Stevie Y, Crosby, Sakic and Toews can do is score points. They can't kick ass.
Can't wait to see Hutson in the future
What about Theo Fleury at 5’6” and Nathan Gerbe at 5’5” both brilliant players. It’s not all about being big, but you’re right that small players always get discarded as not good enough, but I’ve met enough smaller players over the years that could’ve matched many in the NHL in their day
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It always matters unless you have the speed and the skill
It’s rarely the most important thing but if you’re picking between 2 roughly equal players, one is 5’11 and the other is 6’3 you’re taking the bigger guy
I always remember hearing that a taller goalie was slow, he couldn’t move across the crease as fast. I never believed it
A good example to see both sides of the story is the avs defensemen. They’re a small group but defend extremely well, and because they’re so mobile they can transition and go offensive so well. The bad side is they lack the physicality. It’s not like they don’t play physically and don’t hit, but sometimes it’s tough to seperate the puck from the body, win a board battle, and clear out the front of the net. Luckily they’re all so good positionally, and are such a good possession and transition team, that it doesn’t really matter.
Anyone remember Dennis Savard ? I used to love his patented spin-a-ramas back in the day ❤
“Tall and strong defenseman” shows lil ol’ mcavoy
Size in today's NHL, or lack thereof, won't prevent you from scoring goals or points. But lack of size is a big detriment in playoff-style hockey.
"Size matters not...look at me... judge me by my size do you?" -Master Yoda
like most things, if you have abnormal talent, size can be overcome. but like anything, you slap a 6'8 guy against a 5'6 and the small guy loses almost everything if they have the exact same skill and brains. I am 6'2 and a dutch beanpole no matter what i do,. I wanted to be a TE in football but was always a WR because of speed jumping and height, but most of all, I just could not physically withstand another guy play after play who was an extra 45 to 60 pounds slamming into me the same way linemen can, or a guy who is 6'2 210 vs me at 6'2 165 on a heavy day, even with competitive bench numbers ext. we are all different, but hey, that is a fun part of being human
I’m a 6’2” goalie 🎉 I grew up late, growing from 5’8” to 6’2” in close to a year, and really noticed the benefits when i reached my full size.
Without small players the game would get stale really fast. Little guys disadvantage forces them to find new ways to play and keep the game interesting.
I like how Hedman shrunk during the video.
I think being a standard size is best, not too big where you stand out, but not too small where you’re knocked all over. Most of the greats, including Wayne Gretzky, Connor McDavid, Sidney Crosby are all pretty normal in size (5’10-5’11). It allows for good body control, swiftness and ability to still defend yourself.
The game has changed very recently to protect players from needless hits and harassment with hooking not being allowed anymore. It's more of a skill game where you are actually meant to play hockey instead of just brutalize the opponents best player. When skill can be expressed then it favors the smaller players with less mass being more accurate and faster. NBA is the best demonstration of how mass decreases accuracy. But in hockey being smaller really means being 5'11". Don't get much benefit from being smaller than that. Weight matters when there's elevation but as hockey is played on a completely flat surface both length and power are more important for speed. Bedard is pretty much as small as you can be without starting to suffer from it. At 5'5" I would guess that makes you slower. Would be fine for a climber in cycling or some sport where you directly benefit from less weight. But in hockey you have less reach, shorter stride and you really suffer in a large part of the game when battling for puck. It's not that you can replace size with skill but the other way around. Size can account for a lack of skill. You have very few small players who are average but you have a lot of big players who are. For goalies it's a much more obvious situation where simply being bigger makes it easier to block shots. But once you go basketball big you become too cumbersome to move fast and get into those awkward positions.. Like for 7 footers joints are a problem.
Breaking news: The rangers didnt make it to the cup finals because Shesterkin was too short
@tomcooks2562
26 күн бұрын
What kind of logic is this
@rantanen1
26 күн бұрын
@@tomcooks2562 it's called a joke
@grandcrowdadforde6127
26 күн бұрын
>>> awww!.....no!
@todddavis5433
26 күн бұрын
It was because their pp went cold
@VarjoPira
25 күн бұрын
Shortskin, _feelsbadman._
Size definitely comes in handy during the postseason. When you’re in a very physical and grueling series, having a big, fast and nasty team will pay off dividends as the series progresses and wearing down your opponent. That adage is correct though. Scouts always love big players. Especially if said big players have the skating ability and hands to complement their size. Whereas smaller players have to be that much better than every other player their size to draw interest.
Just feels good having a great defenseman on our Canucks man.
Depends on your role and style of play. Body mechanics is more important. Some people just move and look as if they are not "comfortable" performing in their body.
Can you do a video of the best goalie
For an individual player it doesnt really matter, however to build a cup winning team you have to have good size all over the roster. Tampa, Colorado, Vegas and Florida all had big rosters
Would it be safe to take off 1-2” off all these heights? Being that they’re most likely all inflated a bit
Conner mcdavid is a spitting image of what happens when you do everything right, the way he can process a play happening in mer seconds is the result of of his ability too read off everyone this has nothing too do with his height and everything too do with the way he plays sees the game it’s one thing too witness it on tv but irl it’s something too beautiful truly
@tomblade
25 күн бұрын
*to
@jeremymercer5655
25 күн бұрын
I agree that most of what makes him good has nothing to do with his height. But if he were shorter I suspect he would be slightly slower on top speed. You could maybe argue he would have better agility, but Mcdavid is already insanely good at changing directions.
"Probably a small hockey player" Perfect
Lol... Hughes was pretty quiet during the playoff... its not like playing a tuesday night of november
When Montreal had Larry Robison and Craig Ludwig that was huge. Pronger and his I'll say kids using angles was a thing. Hatcher was a guy that would hurt you really bad, and was an elite at his time. Boy this is a tough idea to think about. Would I want a Prime Makar or Prime Chara....
@matthewsecord7641
25 күн бұрын
The game has changed so much, this is difficult. Now if you had a Lindros or a Mario next year, it would ripple and change the game.
3:03 Ironic you mention Skinner I food not trust him for the Oilers. I feel like they should of been in on that Ullmark trade
Without watching the whole video, I'd say smaller size doesn't stop you from playing if you have the talent, but being taller it certainly helps with the physical part of the game (as long as you stay quick and agile)
Size is one thing that matters. Skating ability, or maneuverability, is another thing that matters. Cognitive talent, and especially cognitive processing speed and visual-spatial awareness, also matters. Straight up (physical) speed matters. And attitude, work ethic, and receptiveness to coaching & feedback matter. So, yes, size matters, but it’s only one of several important criteria.
Don’t forget Patty Kane. Should have been mentioned as a MVP player in his prime. Also I would be interested to see career length for the smaller guys.
What you say is true during regular season, but playoffs go on a different standard. Size does matter. Quinn Heghes was rocked in the playoffs this year and near the end he was dumping the puck fast to avoid being hit by the bigger forwards. Which is why I feel Canucks are going big on all the other D'men. Small players can get you to the playoffs, but won't win you the cup.
@alexbuffaloboy
20 күн бұрын
Ya know, except that 5’ 9” guy who won the Conn Smythe last season
@MrBallzy
14 күн бұрын
@@alexbuffaloboy and Vegas let him walk when his contract was up.
Watching Kariya and St. Louis play in the day of murderous open ice hits, magical to watch. Although Kariya getting demolished by Steven’s was hard to watch
i'm a tampa guy but am rooting for stankoven (DAL) at 5ft8 to win RoY in 2025. heart of a lion, and is willing to step to the big moment when called upon. 🔥
Growing up in the 90s, A 6'2" goalie was seen as pretty big, with lots of very good goalies who were 5'8"-5'10". Now I see a 6 foot Dustin Wolf and he looks tiny in the net.
@v4v819
25 күн бұрын
It's the composite stick... A real game changer that makes everyone's shot as fast and deceptive as the top 2 snipers of the league back in the day... Also allows for more shot selection because you can let off a lightning fast snap shot with the speed near the slapshot but the accuracy of a wrister... And players are so good at shooting off their off-leg and disguising their shot as well as dangling plus moving the shot placement point on the fly that there's almost no time for anticipation for the goaltender and a wrister can get near 100 miles an hour- faster than what the human eye can detect... You need a super sound technical game with your angles nailed now to have a chance and a big body essential because even small cracks bring the wall down with most top goal scorers these days... Having said all that... I still think Brett had the best one-timer of all time with that wooden stick and his fluid motion and perfect Technique... No one could track the goaltender's shifting weight from one foot to another like Brett! Most his goals were low- like most goals in history in the league- and he would always react to the goaltender and shoot it contrary to his position and reaction and direction of movement...
For some reason Cale Makar seems much taller to me than Quinn Hughes. Crazy there is only 1 inch height difference between them.
@Markymark-gg6qf
26 күн бұрын
Obviously quinn isn’t 5’10😂😂 probably like 5’8
@stephenphillips6245
21 күн бұрын
@@Markymark-gg6qf5'10 is a joke ...I thought...at first.
As a goalie measured.at 179cm. Im often mentioned to be too small to be a great goalie but my hockey iq and skating ability made me an outlier that my beer league goalie rival struggled to keep up with me. Ended up playing moslty lob sided games cause i would occasionally be unbeatable when i read and move like a champ.
I think PLD proves another reason why size is so desirable. When it comes to trading, losses can be recouped easier if the player, while horrible, has size. Last point: during the golden age of the NJ Devils, they had Scott Stevens 6'0 Scott Niedermayer 6'0 Ken Daneyko 6'0 Brian Rafalski 5'10
It’s ok to have a couple small forward’s.
As a Devils fan the average height for d men makes me feel a lot better about the size of Hughes and Nemec. I’ve heard chatter about Nemec being small but I never really bought into it.
I legit had no idea Marchessault was 5'9, he doesn't play like it.
A huge factor as to why Nashville lost in the first round was saros’ inability to cover the top of the net and see over screens.
My question is..how tall is Bettman?? 😂😂
Marchessault listed at 183 lbs, by the Stanley Cup Final he may have been as light as 175 lbs. Don't think he was shorter than 5'9", though.
You need a good mix. Small speedsters with great hockey IQ are important, but you gotta have some muscle for the corner battles and create space for the little guys.
I went to the antique store in edmonton on calgary trail a few years back..found that gem of gretzky picture posing shirtless lol it was worth over 100 bux ha ha always make me laugh :) The game has chan ged but love to see teams manipulate what they have on the spectrum of toughness rather than size, albeit size usually means more toughness..but I always root for guys like domi or marchand for working it lol
Right now i think it's a bit complex mostly cause if everyone has relatively the same skill level then being bigger will give you more of an advantage ( but that's just the on paper which is why it's complicated). As for goaltenders they are kind of doomed to have to be big cause no1 has been able to play in the NHL the same way Hasek did and with how dominant of a figure Roy was with a way way simpler goaltending method then Hasek's this has kind of become the basics of goaltending now a big body for a great butterfly with the height and weight to keep your self in a position to see and predict the play. Yes Hasek was around 6'1 but he was also only about 160lbs making him really small for a guy who is 6'1
Not me picking to be a goalie as a kid and never growing taller than 5’6.😒
Seeing dudes like St Louis, Sullivan, and now Bedard makes me sure the bias against small players has always been dumb. I'm a bit biased since I have a relative who played well in the league just below the CHL and despite lighting it up in the season he could have been drafted to the CHL, he was told to his face that he was too small. Apparently leading scoring and having solid two way play isn't enough
W vid👍
When looking at big players you have to ask are they good because they are big or are they good and also they are big... There's a lot of big players that i wonder would they be in the league if they were several inches shorter. There's also some big players who may have been even better if they were a few inches shorter... I think if you're between 6'2 and 6'5 that's seems to be the sweet spot. But great players are always exceptional and more than the sum of their parts, and they mostly happen to be on the shorter side- with exceptions like Mario and Lindros coming to mind... And The Greatest of all time, was great in no one way- and 160 soaking wet. But, thought moves ahead and saw the game the way no one else on the ice could... There's more to the game than physicality and the cerebral side makes the player!
You can’t think an 18 year old at 5’10” is going to be his final size. Men have a final growth spurt after 18yo. I put on almost 1.5” between 19-21yo. I was always tall, I got even taller from Hight School to 21, and the biggest jump was around 20. I remember getting even more clumsy than usual at one point, and didn’t realize the cause until a checkup at the Dr. I thought I was done, but boom, another inch, and over the next year another 3/8”. I wouldn’t be surprised if Beds ends up close to 6’.
Size does matter but it's just one factor. Bedard wasn't just small, he had other weaknesses and is injury prone. Crosby was also earlier in his career, but no one thinks 5'11 200lb is too small to play in the NHL.
It used to, but not anymore….unless you’re a goalie.
@edited1325
26 күн бұрын
It still matters in the playoffs
How does height correlate with save percentage?
Serious question: is “his compete” the same as “his competitiveness”? Is that a Canadian way of saying that? Never heard ‘compete’ used that way.
@nicolasderuiter1699
26 күн бұрын
Yes, it’s a part of the hockey lexicon. The language of hockey has been one of my favourite things about following it
@user-np4xe3sv3f
26 күн бұрын
@@nicolasderuiter1699 interesting. Appreciate your response.
@joelniemann9547
24 күн бұрын
Thank you! I thought I was the only person that found it annoying. It's not just used in hockey, and it's born from typical "lazy-speak". Too lazy to say "competitiveness". It's stupid and needs to go away.
@user-np4xe3sv3f
24 күн бұрын
@@joelniemann9547 Funny. I tend towards being a Grammar National Socialist and hearing that usage of ‘compete’ had me feeling ill at ease. Was hoping it was restricted to hockey.
Bedard will see more contact if they ever reach the playoffs. Guessing injuries could be his biggest weakness.
It only matters if the guy with the size also has the skill. Aka Mario Lemieux, Eric Lindros.