A kitchen makover company informed a sole trader mate of mine he had been selected to do a job for the show. He was dead chuffed. So he drew up the design, all top quality, obviously, and they were happy with it. It was about £30K They wanted him to 'donate' this as "good advertising". He declined. Given that he had a six month waiting list for his services, he hardly needed advertising, satisfied customers, and word of mouth kept him busy.

In 1994, I helped a friend block my Triumph TR6. Not including the hardtop, the two of us were rubbing by hand for 3 days! I learned the true meaning of working my fingers to the bone and acquired a valuable insight into just how hard earned your money is!

I'm a self employed mechanic, I fix older farm machinery and also do a bit of classic car work. People expect me to work for peanuts saying that I do not have the same overheads as a main dealer and I do work cheaper, however, the overheads are there but kind of invisible eg. I do not have continuity like eight paid hours a day, I move from place to place, I spend time finding parts etc and I run a van, it all adds up and it is hard to make a good living unless you work vast hours. At the same time, I don't know how anyone can afford main dealer prices.

As a business owner, with a body shop I’ll concur with every word you’ve said…. Fair play for highlighting this.👍🏻👌🏼🙏🏼

Well done for pointing out the truth and showing up cowboys standard of workmanship and shortcuts.

I think if you're a car enthusiast you know that wheeler dealer was a joke but I still watched it ! ❤

Thanks my man. Im the owner of simmilar workshop in Ireland, my lads and me have to be fckn magicians in mechanic, welding, paintin, fitting, stripping..all that require ton of skill and patience. People simple do not understand that. Flat polishing for example.. small mistake and do it again. Or wrong angle or preasure on english wheel.. all fucked, do it again. Or broken crome stripe. Or windshield. Thanks on this, you gave me currage and support. Classic car restorer Ireland

Everything you say makes sense. Don't worry about the stupid comments, that's life. You sound very grounded and I wish you well.

Wonderful episode, great reality check.

I totally agree. I’m 1200 hours into my resto and that is all body work and I’m still blocking. There is no way I could afford to pay someone to do this for me. Yup, wheeler dealers would have it knocked over in 53 hours and $3000 in paint. Sure…. Ya gotta love TV land.

Also people think that charging £65 per hour labour is a very good wage, but it isn't a 'wage' in reality. I think it is a lot to do with how we produce invoices. Consider the two examples below, and then folks may realize what really goes on in the real world.......... Parts £8000 Materials £1500 Labour £3250 (50 hours @ £65 p/h) SubTotal £12750 VAT £2550 Total £15,300 Parts £8000 Materials £1500 Wages £750 (50 hours @ £15 p/h) TAX & NI £250 Insurances £168 (£7000 per year divide by 2080 hours of a 40 hour week) Rent £1080 (45000) Rates £480 (20000) Electricity £204 (8500) Accountancy £36 (1500) Machinery &repairs £282 (11731) Sub Total £12750 VAT £2550 Total £15,300 Just an example, but much more realistic.

You are spot on with these evaluations of TV shows! Anyone that has the slightest knowledge of the "trades" depicted on TV must have a really good laugh at the cost quoted, you can look at all of them from renovating a house in France, to re building a classic vehicle, there is just no possibility of getting a decent job done for the prices quoted, I really do not understand why they do it, we see 2 spivs plopping up a rust bucket with filler, spraying over the result, and giving some fictitious price , well. you get nothing for nothing. I watched a TV programme on having a swimming pool installed in France, the quoted price was 4,000 Euros! You could not even buy a rubber surface pool for that, so they must have left off a zero as 50,000 would be a more realistic cost, it does the professional trade no good giving out these ridiculous prices, the only thing I can say is that presenters look like a person who would sell a car in the rain under a street light. Stay true! Chris B.

I got Keith to do my Datsun because I wanted it done to a very high standard. Harrys car was a big factor in me choosing Keith to do mine. Car bodywork is minefield these days, cowboys everywhere. You can get it done cheaper, but if you want top work that you don’t have to go back to in 2-3yrs then be prepared to part with more cash than you originally planned for. Also don’t be afraid to travel to find the right place to do the work. It was a 150 mile round trip down to Eastbourne every time to visit the car but the finished product made it worth it. There is a lot to be said for peace of mind.

If you want to have your classic repaired to a professional standard, then that is what it costs. A good repairer name will travel by word or mouth. I personally would put my trust in you.

Excellent video, we can never get away from the old addage 'you get what you pay for'. The antique shows are the same, nothing but entertainment and everyone now thinks they can walk in a shop and buy something for half the price!

Excellent video and good to see the honesty and reality of the time & skill that goes in to bodywork and paint. One point you didn't mention is a lot of paint & body shops are not interested in classic car work as they just want a quick turn around & insurance jobs. I couldn't get any local body shops to paint my Jaguar XK OTS which was literally just a shell. Their just not interested in long term quality work they prefer quick turnover of panels off the car🤔 Cheers Dave

If you want to save some money on your restoration project, ask the shop if you can do some of the “prep”. Things like removing the interior, brightwork, etc. Then when the work is done, you put those items back on, again saving the shop time. These are things that can save you some cash.

Excellent video. It's hard to believe you've only been doing this a few months. Interesting, engaging and very enlightening. I was quite surprised you only charge £65 per hour! I have quite a lot of mechanicing experience though I'm not a 'mechanic'. There's not much I haven't done to a car over the years including body repairs. I fully appreciate the skills of a proper restorer/bodyshop are next level if done correctly. Keep up the good work and all the best of luck with the channel and the business

Hi , thanks for posting up this video.As a fellow seasoned car restorer with 40 years experience running a classic restoration workshop I am so glad you have put this video out telling it for real.Keep up the good work ,looking forward to some more real life Resto Stuff from your place

Excellent accurate report I had an insurance repair on my Audi. It came to £14.000. This is real life.

Great video. I have "real" world experience with taking a solid stock 1960 Ford Falcon and through several specialists transforming it into a prize winning custom car. I used a friend's recommendation for bodywork and paint after all the mods were done. I admit this was 20 years ago, but when the guy gave me an estimate to do base coat clear coat paint it was $5000. I'm in the midwest US. I checked around and the best estimate I was able to get from well known body/paint guys was $12,000. I made the deal with the first guy and the results were fantastic....however, the final job ended up being $7500 because of items I added to the job. No one believed I got the quality of work for just that amount of money. $15,000 would have been more like it, but the two guys doing it worked for a friend of mine who ran the shop and I suspect I got the "friendly" price. I've watched lot of the car shows like wheeler dealer who give numbers, but I know better when they say how long and how much. My car was painted in 5 months, but I waited a year before they could start. The higher than expected prices for parts and materials today (Or any day) and a long wait time is typical and I suspect a reason why some cars disappear into sheds or the earth never to be seen again.

Once again another very informative video, and on the subject of cost which as we all know is both subjective and controversial. I have known Keith for many years now and can say confidently that it is his honesty and integrity along with the fact that he is very aware of the cost implications that enabled him to remain competitive and still maintain a very high level of quality and finish.

Excellent presentation, hope all of our customers see this!!

What you have said makes perfect sense. You are probably brave making some comments. Good on you. I've worked in the motor body industry for many years and I absolutely see where you're coming from. Garry. NZ

Very valid and informative as a garage and bodyshop owner we see these issues and compromises on a daily basis, keep the videos comming

Excellent honest video. Thank You

Excellent explanation of how it is in the REAL world of restoring & painting costs. I have had people's jaws drop when I tell them the price of a litre of solvent based base coats, and that's before the thinners, lacquer & hardeners etc. The prices of materials is just astronomic. Also, I have spent a whole week in the past just block wet flatting & polishing Bentley re paints. Even the cost of flatting papers & compounds etc is eye watering. Joe public really have no idea. Thanks again.

First of all, spot on with the so called reality shows and Mr. Brewer. Ed China has my respect as a craftsman, but is in a “reality” show, which diminishes his work, in my opinion. Another great show to watch for realistic content is RetroPower. I can certainly see how these “reality” shows are becoming the reference for many people and the reason you have to justify your pricing on a regular basis. A long but justified insight into your “world”. Glad I watched.

A singularly candid and detailed description of the concerns in your field, which represents true artistic and technical skills. It's always thoroughly informative to hear an expert explain things. Please continue with the videos.

great video and honesty

Ten years ago a mate had a 77 Pontiac Firebird restored and painted, needed new rear 1/4's got new door shells and some other repairs and all repainted, bill was 14K which seemed insane at the time, that'd be pretty reasonable now, saying that the car still looks amazing. I just got a classic Mini to restore, a rear Subframe used to be £150, they are now £350, my last Mini in 2008 had twin SU carbs i bought brand new for £550, the same carbs are now £1500, prices are just insane now.

great video. Shaping body panels for classic cars and bike is what I do for a living. My hr rate is nowhere near 100,- but it feels like a battle every time you have to justify the number of hrs it takes to build something nice. People just don`t have a clue... how would they since they don`t have the skills themselfs. The only reference for most is tv shows. I love swinging hammers but those stupid financial / hours discussions take the joy out of my work.

A very nice explanation, further info on inspection, unexpected (variables), and upgrades

Lovely video, Thank you. I have been in the mechanical side of automotive work for 45 years. My brother across the pond in the States has been in the accident repair business for about the same amount of time. I thoroughly agree and have seen the discrepancy in pricing between the fields, and can definitely attest to the price vs. quality aspect of the body work / paint trade. In my brother's business (being mostly paid by insurance companies), the trade has developed it's own "hours" system, where the cost per hour is half what it is in the mechanical trade, while the number of hours necessary for the repair is about double what it takes in real-time. I guess the systems just evolved that way. Love your show. For me it seems more like a Real reality show. Keep up the good work and the videos.

Very interesting and insightful video. Makes a lot of sense. Good wishes for your channel ... 🇬🇧

Excellent video. Really great info. Thank you

Keith never let me down always exelent work keep the good work up Keith and all your lads

Nicely thought out and communicated piece. In my experience, people will see an hourly rate and start comparing it to their full time salaries behind a keyboard in an office and then think they are being ripped off without taking into account any overhead cost or the fact you actually want to make a profit from what you are doing. You're not alone in your observations...

I totally concur! These TV programs are pure fiction and basically entertainment. They make a lot of money for Motor Trend and Discovery channels. I think this is one of the main reasons why Edd left Mike years ago. These TV programs do not help the classic car owner and the classic car restoration workshops.

Loved the honesty, new subscriber!

You are absolutely correct!! when restoring and painting a classic car just the finishing process alone can be hundreds of hours without the bodywork before hand. It's all of the seemingly impossible deadlines that makes me laugh with theses programs. And why o why would any sane owner of a really expensive classic spend what it's worth turning it into an EV, the minute you take the engine out you destroy the value. Nis job on old Harry's jag by the way. ❤The Channel "Thanks"

Sorry, I came here for the Jag, not a rant. Good luck, you seem to be a very nice chap!

bangers and cash restoring classics shows you the reality

Excellent video.

I paint my own cars. Average costs me around $800. Not including panels, rust repairs: that's not painting. So if you do it yourself, out of pocket is around $800 per car, good paint, superb results if you put in the hours of course.

I couldn't agree with you more!!!

The three pillars of Project Management: Time, Cost, Quality. You can have 2 of them but you can never have all 3! Great video. Check out Metalworks in the USA. Love watching people paint cars. Thanks

Very interesting. I hope that as you become (even) better known you attract more work than you can accomodate and have the luxury of being able to turn down working for people with unrealistically low expectations as regards the cost of getting a high quality job done. Noone wants to work their socks off to find that, at the end of it, they haven't made any money. Good luck with the channel.

Enjoyed this Keith Stopped watching wheeler dealers when Ed China left the series

Totally agree with what he is saying, and especially programmes like "Wheeler dealers" I'm no expert, but even i could see that what was going on in the programme was not reflecting the true value!! I know a guy who is one of the best around here for bodywork and spraying. around 12 years ago we knew then that if someone wanted a proper job done, ie, a full respray, it would cost around the 10k mark! The same as what has been said in this video where people would expect a full respray for £800!!! I had the privilege of not only watching him work, but on the odd occasion even helping him when he broke his wrist! The man is an artist.

I charge 100/hour in the states plus materials, it is going to cost you 30,000 to have a car painted minimum, that is with zero panel replacement. The last one I did the customer had 20,000 in labor in welding in panels alone... he had near 50k in the paint and panel replacement. I typically tell people if the car is not worth 100k you can't afford to have me paint it.

Really good video, you are bang on with everything you say. I know for a fact that a lot of the TV car restoration show is fake. They are just light entertainment. Like you say, Tim Shaw and Mike Brewer going round blagging free parts off everybody, I really wish that was real life, but it isn't. Some BMW and Mercedes Benz dealerships are over £180 an hour now, which is just ludicrous. I ran my own electronics service business for 40 years, nobody wanted to pay me for my skills, people don't realise how hard it is. You cannot charge for every hour you work unfortunately.

Wheeler dealers, saying they have earned 1800 quid on a car is great. But if you work out the Labour hours that’s gone into it, divide the profits some of them they have worked for 5 pound and hour. I’m in the trade, and people moan when I quote 200-250 a panel for just paint. I have told a customer a few years ago to get in touch with Mike brewer and ask him who he used as he quoted how much they got theirs done for. I have used the tesco one on numerous occasions, it’s the only way you can through to them.

What people do not realise that when you do a paint job you are looking through the paint at the substrate and if you do not get your preparation right it does not matter how good a sprayer is used it will show all the imperfections and come off. I had my Triumph 2500S Accident Repaired and Restored at the same time where we found rust, it was painted in cellulose and I personally flatted all that down myself and my did it look good in White - as good if not better than it came out of the factory but it did not last and although that was in 1987 and it is now 2024 and I took it off the road in1990 it now needs a complete strip and cooked to remove all the paint because there are now holes on flat surfaces where there was no rust before. Ironically we did not paint the flitch panels and they were left as supplied by Triumph in 1976 and that is the only area that has Not Deteriorated. I want to redo it in cellulose because I do not like the poured plastic effect of 2K. I do not know what Triumph were using in the 1970's but it was not either 2k or Cellulose but I understand Acrylic. Cellulose at that time was used for refinishing. So whatever was on my car was treated to a 2K primer and then Cellulose and it has reacted and is coming off in large chunks and underneath there is rust! That was the recommendation by this restorer bodyshop who did classic work around the big local ford dealership's requirements What do you think about using Cellulose paint today please and any comments about the above would be very welcome

I was suprised when you said £65 an hour, that seems cheap. I have two classic Porsche restorers near me which I must admit are top of their game one who's hourly rates is over £100 an hour and one who restored my car was £80 and recently gone up £85 an hour.

With the prices of panels and materials spiralling, and the value of the cars declining, I cannot see many people bothering to restore things like MK2 Jags in the future.

Any classic car fan/ collector after he has financed/ restored a couple of classics soon learns of the value of a garage queen and a car that has not seen daily British salt. I avoid rust at all costs and cars that need a paint job so im not on a 15 k loss. When I want a change and sell the car.

Race to the bottom is what the world has turned into unfortunately. Classic car maintenance and restorations have become a pastime for the very wealthy. Mega quality work going on there for £65 ph. I hope you guys can keep the business going for years to come.

'Watching this from within the motor trade' is a telling phrase here! He then goes on to talk about 'Wheeler Dealers' but look, it's not just mainstream TV that over-hypes & slightly dis-informs! Remember, you don't have to use these 'professionals'; you can restore a car yourself, learning as you go, at home, for a fraction of the costs this man's talking about. £6,000 for two wings plus VAT, my arse!!!

I worked in a very expensive resto shop where the cars were "restored" in cost no object manner . I agree when you say some cars can sit for years in the shop, mostly because the owner has run out of money or wants to defer the job for some reason or other and that floor space costs money. I had a lady call in one day to see how her car was progressing...a BMW 3.0CSi. She said life had gotten in the way and she had forgotten about it .Forgotten for 23 years! It had morphed into a shelf over the years. LOL!. Electric costs are my second biggest expense and I see it happening in places all over the western world,and to me the reason appears to be,to force consumption down,thus creating less CO2 and saving the planet. there doesn't appear to be any other reason .

A buddy of mine owns and runs a paintshop/bodyshop. I had bought two used doors for my car that needed painting. I made a deal with him that I would do all the prep work and he'd do the spraying at cost. I spent two weeks of vacation time spackling and hand sanding those two doors, call it 70-80 hours, after which he spent maybe half an hour spraying it. It's all in the prep work but on tv you only see the guy in a space suit waving a spray gun and that looks like 15 minutes of work, so why the big bill? Well, showing the 200 hours of prepping the car to be ready for the 15 minutes of spraying probably isn't good tv, so let's skip that..

Great video 👍 The best thing to do is do you want the tv price or the price 😅😅😅.The what we tell people get some estimates from other panel shops.

A c lassic car , maybe an investment, certainly not if driven on the road and insured for that . A very rich mans hobby and have the correct car as well , thank you ...good informative real video of fact ...

I have to agree totally with you, I worked in the body shop game over 40 years ago and it was the same then joe public excepted the job done for nothing, how much for a respray , it’s probably 40 hours this could easily double depending on what the customer wants to do a good repaint all the bits off and this doesn’t include welding just basic bodywork. Today parts are just unbelievable expensive and depending what paint your using huge costs, I watch Restopower Uk and there paint jobs must be 100 k sometimes given the work that goes into it. And Wheeler dealers does give a false idea of the costs never including the real labour time.

The difference in rate reflects the 'downtime' between jobs, which happens less in the bodyshop. If you average out all of both of your time, mechanics v bodyshop, you'll probably find that you average out higher per hour of actual work done. Appreciate your pov though. With mechanics you have lots of point sales, with high admin and downtime... with bodyshop, you're selling bulk lots of hours with fewer overall transactions.

I find Car SOS very enjoyable, but you can clearly see cars that have featured in other episodes in the background, so much of what is shown is clearly from TV Land, not reality.

280 hours at £80 an hour ( plus vat) is around 27k so with parts, panels and paint you would be looking at around 52k…

Best one at the moment is Richard Hammond, Smallest cog, let's people know what hours are involved, the cost of the business and what hourly rate should be to Keep the doors open, feel for you with rising costs. When I left the body trade we were charging £27.00 per hour for insurance and they were arguing over that😆

Increase your hourly rate to £85 plus vat per hour. Mad not to.

In the 1970s there was a firm in London that did same day drive in drive out resprays for 25 quid.

Classic car ownership is a pretty middle class thing, many owners are so-called professionals - lawyers, accountants, bankers and so on. Quite why they feel justified in charging hundreds of pounds per hour while they expect people, who are skilled and doing real hard work, to tend to their needs for a fraction of that has always been a mystery to me.

@michaelhart895

6 күн бұрын

I am an Engineer,self employed sole trader machinist and in my 40 year of trading at 62 years old . I did a traditional indentured Engineering apprenticeship and a total of seven years at technical college 1978-1985 finally achieving my HNC in mechanical engineering. 99% of my work is industrial,manufacturing anything that comes into my workshop from industrial locomotive components , Brick works ,food industry,wind turbines , ceramics industry, car industry , I will make anything my machinery enables me to , all by hand , from a wide variety of materials. The number of times Joe public has rocked up with an obsolete,broken part and asked me if I can make it for them ,expecting a £20 job or the same cost of buying a mass produced part . Most people have absolutely no idea how long a 1 off or a few hand made parts can take ,let alone the knowledge,skill . The capital expense in Engineering is horrendous ,you are constantly needing tooling and of course wearing out your machinery . Most of the public regardless of their personal wealth expect a Saville row suit for a George at Asda price .

2:05 - 2:40 "Everythings gone up......". Another Brexit benefit!! 🤣As for re-sprays, some years back when fiddling around with cars I had an old Moggie 1000 which was ok mechanically but the paint was tired and needed attention. I couldn't afford a re-spray so decided to try a brush paint called Re-Paint made by Parsons (this was 50 years ago so I expect its another brand now). I prepped the car using grades of wet 'n dry, all by hand which was damned hard work! After the final coat had dried the result was really amazing and was always chuffed when folk asked where I'd had it re-sprayed!!

Spot on with the estimates. Wheeler dealers, Homes Under hammer with property. All nonsense and misleading. I've seen a Victorian house restored, new bathrooms, kitchen, rewired, windows. £10k. Just nonsense.

With vintage aircraft we come up with an estimate of time & cost. Then we double one & triple the other. The last 10% of the work takes 90% of the time. :)

I love the work you do, and it is expensive. Quality is expensive. Just ignore the idiots, and keep doing it. What happened to the Series 1 Daimler estate? That really was a basket case!

Your so true in everything you said as a small bodyshop for 47 yrs i,ve come across so many idiots that don't understand costing . I restored an old Lambretta for a pal but made him come in every weekend and do the donkey work , it took over 12months and he realised what goes into this type off work and costs also using Novol products. The end result was lovely and still looks great 3 years down the line. Great video .

Horses for Courses I guess. Many years ago when I worked in the second hand car trade I had a guy who only worked for the trade. The guy worked at night and slept in the day. He worked in his double garage and was very cheap and used the absolute minimum of paint. The cars always came back looking great but I wouldn't have wanted to see them a couple of years down the line. These were cheap cars though - but they always sold!

My local powder coater drives a Porsche Macan with a private plate. Even ignoring materials, people are expensive. Mortgages, kids, holidays, nice cars, etc.

I think your right Wheeler Dealers do loads of work for £150.profit Car SOS is better as there is no end sale but people want a deal maybe for cash then ask for invoice. At the end of the day you need to make a profit.

Even watching only about half of your video, I can ABSOLUTELY state that it IS EXACTLY then same in building. People ROUTINELY compare ONLY the price instead of a "apples to apples" detailed scope of the work and THE MATERIALS !! So one electrician is quoting a "romex" electrical system while the next guy is quoting a "hard conduit" system. You will get the same voltage coming out of your receptacles but those two systems are definitely NOT THE SAME !!! For one major thing, try and modify the wiring "WITHOUT OPENING UP THE WALLS" with the romex system as compared to the conduit system. Between the materials and labor, likely double the cost with the conduit system. Yet people don't even realize they are NOT comparing the same job !!! In your case, might be like comparing glued, flanged, panel repair seams VS welded, butt joined, panel seams.

Mike Brewer after selling a car they had worked on that they made a small profit, but no mention of the hours Ed China spent on it no mention of cost of running the workshop rents, rates, etc. It's more likely that the were thousands of pounds in the red. On the other hand if Ed China could do all the work he did for what they say it cost, they would be swamped with work.

Hi - I get a lot of subscribers asking me if I know of a good paint shop. Can you get in touch if you ever find your self in or near Bristol, I would love to help promote your channel to our subscribers by doing a walk around some of our rusty cars. Our micro blistered yellow Fiat 500....micro blistered Pagoda....rusty wheel arches SL55, typical rusty R107 + the project R107 we are currently working on - a good example of what 'shoddy cut price work' look like. It would be really interesting for subscribers to get an insight into what is involved to do these jobs properly...Mike

Spot ob comments. Tim Shaw and Mike Brewer - two people who ruin their respective programmes. All fake deadlines etc. I watched a recent episode of Wheeler Dealers filmed in the last couple of years purporting to buy a Porsche 997 (PE56 YBA) from a used car dealer and fix it up. Car hadn't been MOT'd since 2015 and according to the DVLA is scrapped.

Everyone knows Edd China works for 7p an hour! I do bodywork and the amount of hours behind every job is huge, people thinks it's just wheeling it in the spray booth and hey presto. Could not agree more. Most vehicles it's more than the cars worth to re-paint

Where i work its £40 per hr for bodywork the mechanical side of things has changed with the tech in a modern car the skills needed are more than ever

@richardstarkess7595

5 күн бұрын

Don't know if it's the skills needed or the expensive dedicated equipment, youth of today soon get to grips with the diagnostic equipment but then just change the bit the computer points to, if that dosen't fix the problem move on to the next component in the cobweb of electrical demons. Customer pays 😒 When the problem could easily be a bad earth connection sending white noise crackle around the vehicle.

@richardstarkess7595

5 күн бұрын

Great video, I fully understand where your coming from. I'm a born fiddler. I just love tinkering and paint finishing has always fascinated me, I'll spend hours getting the right finish to the craziest of things not just car panels. It takes ages, but then most of the time I'm not sure what I'm doing! so probably reinventing the wheel 😂 Great to have things like KZread to point me in the right direction. PS I'm old and retired so keeps me active, I often think" I'll just do so an so" three hours later I've hardly scratched the surface of the task 😊 Keep the videos coming it's great to see true craftsman's work rather than tradesmans fixings 👍

@adrianpeters2413

5 күн бұрын

£40.00 per hour !!!!!! So workers there have no chance to pay the rent and food and etc...keep it up islanders work hard and you too will get on .... on what?????? Good comments on video transcript ...good script ...honest reflections on reality .....

Race to the bottom sounds familiar, I run a precision engineering company and cheap & cheerful is not sustainable

We used to get people coming in and having cars resprayed yrs qgo it dont happen now its too expensive we did a vw van and the bill was 6k for a respray with various repairs to the body

unsure what you were trying to prove, many messages, some confusing. I agree on doing a good job and I want a good job done. But can we hobbyists afford good work to be done. I prefer a priced job at the end of the day as we cannot see the future and realise a finished price if it is twice what is expected, especially if it is above the value of the classic car.

The Wheeler Dealer idea that you can buy a budget project car, complete a restoration, then sell on for a profit is absurd. Don't let the these shows devalue your great work. Classic cars are expensive.

Got to be talking 50K for body parts welding paint materials and labour not reassembly.

WD (but as you say the programme is not alone) is synonymous with bodging.

To be fair this is in any walk of life.... This bloke is trying to keep costs high so that he can make a lot of money and maintain a standard of life... Most rip us off......

Theirs a whole team of them doing it and ant big head amstead don’t even get his hands dirty car sos it takes them 3 weeks to do them look in the background they have all the other cars in the program in bits in the garage at the same time

Great video but didn't really answer the question.

@noelwallace5257

6 күн бұрын

The Mk2 Jag would have been £35,000 give or take 😉

Anyone that believes 'Wheeler Dealers' was anywhere factual needs medicating. Sometimes the figures where so out of whack they mentioned, nobody would be eating.

But 200 hours of labour and materials outweighs the value of about 95% of classic cars.

it is hard to see restoring normal classics being viable going forward

I'll start by saying it's a great vid and I'm completely on board with the unrealistic rubbish you see on Car SOS. Wheeler Dealers etc... But I have to say, be thankful you can command £65/hr. How about having to spent £50K to get a degree in a hardcore subject like Maths or Physics to earn £15/hr as a secondary school teacher with all the stress that job entails. Is it any wonder nobody wants to do it ?

@Hilux-jt6bo

6 күн бұрын

I know where you are coming from and agree that £15 is too low for certain jobs, including teaching I would imagine, but comparing self employment to employed always gives the impression that the self employed are much better off, which is very often simply not true. A bit like six of one, and half a dozen of the other. Folks mistakenly think that for example a 40 hour week at £65 per hour means that you are on £2600 a week, which is simply way off, or everybody would be self employed.

@davyboy888

6 күн бұрын

@@Hilux-jt6bo I'm actually doing 70 hours a week - almost half of which I don't get paid for. It takes my hourly rate down to about £8 - below minimum wage. The only reason I'm not quitting is because there's nobody to replace me and the kids will suffer a non descript supply. And by the way I didn't strike the last time all the teachers walked out and got castigated for that too. So it would take me 8 hours work to make £65 which even by self employed measures is very very low.

@ralphmillais5237

6 күн бұрын

They don't pay themselves £65 per hour. That is not their wage. That has to keep the premises going. Business rates alone are many thousands a year. You have to consider the overheads.

@carlmitchell9958

6 күн бұрын

Don’t forget we’ve all been to school, there’s not many teachers I respect.

@Hilux-jt6bo

5 күн бұрын

@@davyboy888 I think that you are missing my point. Like I said, teachers do deserve more, but my point is that £65 is 'labour', not 'wages', it's totally different.

Do you get payd for every uuhhhmmm?

I’d think nowadays a high end job would be $50,000 USD and up - and that’s pre pandemic inflation. You’ll never recover the investment on most cars and it can’t be done right for less