I'm 19 working as a body mechanic. Most I'll probably ever make is 45k a year in 20 years if I'm lucky, with no benefits. I've been flying on Sims since I was a kid. 60k on the lower end sounds damn good to me. Where do I sign up?

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Brandon, awesome! If you apply on this page it only takes about 10 minutes. bit.ly/applytosuu It says there's an application fee, but if you use that link there's not! Let us know if you need any help!

@11Bguitarist

3 жыл бұрын

@@SUUAviation Is there a waitlist still? I got my PPL when ULA was running the program there and am potentially looking at returning for my other ratings using the Post 9/11.

@user-pl3gw6ok4s

3 жыл бұрын

Get a job at ups , start part time then become a driver and make up to and over 100k

@Danielle-uw5os

2 жыл бұрын

IM a retired CW3 UH-60M Pilot. I work at firehawk, as an SIC, because long line sling loads are apparently more difficult than 45 foot, and the civilian industry thinks black hawk pilots aren’t proficient in VREF. True if you don’t do it while your in the military then you don’t have the experience, but there those of us who practice VREF. There isn’t anything that says we can’t. Anyway, my mechanics make $70k-80K annually. I Make $65K! My uncle is a mechanic at united, he makes $150K annually. Make up you’re own mind but, A&P’s make a grip. So watch out for that snake oil.

@alanbstard4

2 жыл бұрын

@@Danielle-uw5os lot of snake oil here in this video

Best advice guys....get your A&P license at a community college, maybe tack on an associates if they offer it “not that it’s required” super cheap education, no homework and 2 year program or less depending on where u go, I made almost 90 k last year working for the airlines as a mechanic and funded my fixed wing private license just fine out of pocket, then boom your not just a pilot your also a aircraft mechanic

@frankjoel5699

3 жыл бұрын

thank you sir

@joshnocera9064

2 жыл бұрын

That would be great to have both skills sets.

@cryptobungus5778

2 жыл бұрын

How long did it take after college to start making 90k?

@hansenfuentes3541

2 жыл бұрын

@@cryptobungus5778 my first year I made 67k and by year 3 I was just shy of 90k….now I clear 100 pretty easy, I work for A major cargo airline Once I reach top pay scale it’s about 138k a year without working overtime

@rupeos

Жыл бұрын

@@hansenfuentes3541 I got my A.S in computer science and trying to get my license. May I ask what's the company you first started to work on ?

Key comment in this “qualified rotary helicopter pilot” No one with 200 hrs is qualified to do much

@atadbitnefarious1387

4 жыл бұрын

Depends on the kind of flying they do and quality of instruction. In the Army, it's not uncommon for talented pilots to become instructor pilots with around 300 hours. In the civilian world, they typically have very high hour requirements. But many of these requirements can be waived or lowered for military trained guys. Conversely, I've also met high time pilots who were absolute garbage at flying.

@joecambodia1326

3 жыл бұрын

$25 an hour as a right seater fire pilot. I’ve met high time Army and the Air Force’s finest that couldn’t fly visual reference if their life depended on it.

@atadbitnefarious1387

3 жыл бұрын

​@@joecambodia1326 Very true. I have known 800+ hour pilots (usually staff officers) who never made PIC(We just say PC). Test pilots who were very knowledgeable but couldn't hold a high hover to save a life(which is incredibly necessary when doing rescue hoist or long line work). Even instructors who just got way too complacent in their old age, and forgot how to fly safely. You can say it's a failure of their command or unit's pilot training program. But at the same time, some people just aren't cut out for flying. At least they still have their staff officer career. Graduating flight school is basically just saying you learned how to fly. Not that you are any good. But foundationally, I'd say there are a ton of really good pilots out there that got their start in the military or were at least taught by old military guys. Generally speaking, they simply have the the hours and more importantly, quality of hours flying that most civilian pilots don't get in their first years of flying.

@Desert515

3 жыл бұрын

@@atadbitnefarious1387 I believe the civilian VFR world has high requirements because a 500hr pilot even if 500pic time is still learning the aircraft. In my opinion no one should be teaching anyone to fly under a couple thousand hours, and the military pilots I have met even captains continuously got in the way of lower hour VFR guys. I think this is in line falls with the military you do as your told to follow everything to the letter a true VFR pilot is taught to think for themselves on the fly forgive the pun. Critical decision making quickly comes with experience something a 300 hr pilot isn’t capable of yet.

@atadbitnefarious1387

3 жыл бұрын

@@Desert515 You mention "military captains" and I wonder if you mean in the Commercial Aviation sense of a Plane Captain, or as in the military rank. As I mentioned before, Staff Officers (Lieutenants, Captains, Majors, Colonels) usually aren't the best measure of military helicopter pilots. They fly because in order to lead an aviation unit, you must also be a pilot. The majority of Army Aviators are made up of Warrant Officer pilots who's job is only to fly. And although the "do as you're told" thing is an inherent nature of the military, Aviation culture very much contradicts that (as much as it contradicts everything else in the big Military but that's a discussion for another time. (TL:DR, we actually get treated like professional adults). It's very much a, get home safe, and think for- not for your yourself but for your crew- because we fly together, die together, and every voice is important. We typically fly fully qualified crew. Not fully qualified single pilot + right seater/checklist reader. I would also like to add my explanation for my inherent bias towards Army pilots. See, the Airforce, that uses a system of only Staff Officer pilots, sends their worst performing pilots to go and fly helicopters. Which is ass backwards if you ask me. The Navy is the same as the Airforce, but they mostly fly over open water and land on ships or tarmac. So they are craptastic at terrain flying. Coast Guard is like the Navy but we don't consider them military so they don't count. And marine pilots are just like regular marines. But they get to eat high class Crayola crayons instead of Roseart ones. The Army has the largest helicopter fleet, flys the most hours, has been operating them the longest, and was the og when it came to proving helicopter concepts and uses. Not saying they're all great. But the Army on average puts out some of the best helicopter pilots around. My 2 cents. I'm done bootlicking now.

Thanks for this video, I'm just 15 but I'm hoping to become a helicopter pilot when I get out of high school.

@SUUAviation

4 ай бұрын

Hey Sawyer! Are you still planning to be a Helicopter pilot? 🚁

The ffa now allows insulin dependent diabetics to obtain a pilots license. I was super happy to hear about this and look forward to hopefully obtaining my helicopter pilots license with the goal of joining a life flight crew. 2020 reports wages ranged from 73-98k a year for pilots

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Congrats! Let us know if we can help you get there.

22, heading for my medical exam and applying afterwards here in Canada! Can’t wait to fly!

@SUUAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Exciting! We wish you the best of luck

I’m really interested in going to school for this but am having trouble finding schools, especially schools near me here in Texas. Could you list off some other schools that also have a helicopter flight program?

I’m 20 and I’m starting school this week this makes me even more excited to get moving with it 🤩

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome, good luck!

@SkaMing

2 жыл бұрын

How’s everything going? Done with school? Got a job anywhere?

i'm currently 17 and this looks awesome, i'm gunna look into it as soon as i get outta highschool

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

It’s an amazing career to pursue, if you’d like some more information on the program, feel free to reach out to us through our website or over social media.

@haydencarrier8307

2 жыл бұрын

Same here homie

Nice and interesting video!! God job! I have a question, I’m AESA CPL-H ATP(frozen)+IR+PBN+MCC low hours pilot TR EC135 & R44, How can I convert my license to FAA to be able to work in US ?. At the time I’m in Spain looking for an opportunity. Able to move anywhere. Thanks

Ryan Crandall inquired about my progress, sent him a reply but didn't go thru to his address, so I'll try this way😁 slow but sure, studying thru Kenny Keller, helicopter online ground school, awesome teacher! Now I just gotta get up in the air and I'll be well on my way!!! Thanks for checking on me!! Cheers to you!!!

At the time of this posting, a senior airline pilot is making 350k a year. So even starting out (without military training) schooling will set you back a minimum of 60k, the schooling, the benefits are going to have to come down and the pay is going to have to come up. Truck drivers can start at 70 to 90k a year. Cheap simulators are going to have to become more readily available for it to be affordable.

Really confused when he said you could work in HR with your degree. Why would I become a pilot just to work in HR?

Great video. Thank You. Im a flight paramedic for the USAF reserves, but prior to that I was a fixed wing mechanic and want to fly as pilot for a EMS system. Does anyone know what certs that would need?

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Jose, that's an awesome goal. So at minimum you'll need your private, instrument and commercial certifications. It helps to build your hours if you get your CFI and CFII certifications. You'll want to work up to 1,000-2,000 total flight hours.

@Apriliars

4 жыл бұрын

Jose Gomez I was looking for an EMS pilot position. You need minimum 8 years experience and thousands of hours REQUIRED, no exceptions. Now this is for my local hospital. I’m sure others are different. Hours and experience seems to be the set back.

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

@@Apriliars It definitely depends on the job. There are job postings with a lot less experience required. Your limitation is probably your location!

Those numbers are exactly why as a former Army Aviator I decided to fly for the airlines !

4:26 anyone notice the guy in the window?

I got out of the coast guard around feb 2018 and I’m about to finish up my associates degree next semester. I’m really interested in this school. If I attend would I be able to get my private license at the school and then commercial while I am there all at the cost of the VA/Post 911 or will I need to obtain my private license first at my own dime?

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

We get this question a lot. You do NOT need to have your private license already, and you CAN use the GI Bill to pay for it if you qualify. Not all schools have that ability but since we're a University program, and you get a degree along with your flight training, you can use the GI Bill for the private license.

@Apriliars

4 жыл бұрын

SUU Aviation awesome to hear! I’ll certainly be digging up some more information then about you guys and I look forward to this adventure. Apologies for the prior ignorant question. There is a lot of misinformation out there apparently even from the VA reps.

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

@@Apriliars No, we totally get it. You're fine, and you're right there is a lot of misinformation out there! Let us know if you have any other questions!

If you could fly anything or fix anything and could do the school no problem, which is the best career path for 100+/yr around the 5yr mark(2 school and 3 work)?

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Hey James, fixed wing aviation would be the best for what you described. There are some great opportunities in the commercial airline and air cargo industry. Though, we recommend picking a career based off of which aircraft you enjoy flying the most and which day-to-day work fits your lifestyle.

I'm considering choosing this school after the military. My end goal is fly aircraft in Alaska (bush or helo) but I can't decide which. Pay is a big factor but I was wondering what would be the most reliable and what would be needed more.

@SUUAviation

Жыл бұрын

Hey! That's an awesome career goal! In the next 20 years Boeing states there will be an estimated shortage of 59,000 helicopter pilots and 763,000 fixed wing pilots. No matter which path you take, there will definitely be a job waiting for you.

July 2022 update. Due to shortages, all EMS companies are increasing both salaries and stipends. Gmr just had a significant increase.

Do you guys offer online schooling for the ground/classwork portions of the Bachelors degree? I would be interested in doing that before I get out of the military. Then doing flight lessons after.

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

We do! Lots of the general education and ground-based aviation courses can be completed online before starting flight training.

@halllwd94

3 жыл бұрын

@@SUUAviation awesome thank you.

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

You bet!

Hello! I understand that there is financial aide, but does it actually cover the flying lessons and not just the regular classes? I have 60 percent gi bill so I’m trying to figure out how to fund flight school.

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Hello Samuel, the GI Bill can potentially cover up to the entire program, including flight labs and classes. To know more we recommend contacting us at 435-586-7862 or aviation@suu.edu and we’d love to answer more of your questions!

I’m strongly considering a career as a helicopter pilot. I decided not to go into aviation as a major, due to the fact that I know you are gone from your family a lot. As a helicopter pilot, are there jobs where you are home on a day to day basis? And if there are, can you make a substantial amount of money?

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, absolutely. You're definitely right that there are jobs that keep you away from family (such as a week on, week off schedule). But there are definitely jobs that don't do that, such as some helicopter tour companies and flight schools. Many tour jobs are for new pilots, but at companies like Papillion, Maverick and Sundance Helicopters you could easily see pilots making more than the average salary.

@spades13th

Жыл бұрын

Your local coast guard base if you have one ik where I live the coast guard base is really close to us

im 26 and looking into becoming a pilot, have some college education but nothing of significance and was hoping to not have to go back for any reason, what can i expect going into this field without any college degrees, will i be stuck bottom tier? currently working in construction making 60k and will top out around 90k but would rather do something im more passionate about

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

You definitely won’t be stuck at the bottom. Our program is a degree-seeking one, so students will get one while in the program.

great video! how much of a difference does bachelors vs masters degree make in jobs/pay?

@SUUAviation

10 ай бұрын

Thanks @3thin! While a bachelors or masters degree is typically not a requirement for most helicopter pilot jobs, higher education can give a leg up during the job application process. Feel free to reach out to us at aviation@suu.edu for more info!

Thank you 🙏

@SUUAviation

Жыл бұрын

Of course!

Currently an airline pilot thinking about moving into helicopter. Anyone else ever made that switch? Will my past certificates allow me bypass certain requirements? Like do I have to get a ppl and instrument rating if I already have it with fixed wing? Can I jump right into commercial?

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome that you want to make the switch. Due to safety reasons, at our facilities you would need to start from the beginning as flying helicopters is very different from flying planes. But it would make the classes easier for you in some ways since you have some aviation background. Feel free to reach out to 435-586-7862 or aviation@suu.edu and we’d love to chat with you.

What type of helos will they be training in for the workforce or as a private pilot?

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

We train on Robinson R44's, Bell 206's and soon to be a new Bell 505.

Would be a dream but I live in puerto rico and don't have the money, honestly this is the only job I wouldn't consider a "job"

I wish the training was available from public higher education institutions (there are none in Texas that I'm aware of); the salary returns on investment make sense if you're younger but if you're mid-career and want a change, it's just not feasible. I understand why the private training programs are expensive, just wish there were more options available.

@SUUAviation

6 ай бұрын

The university route has many benefits but may not be the best fit for everyone's stage of life, so there are other options for obtaining ratings outside of universities.

there are only 2500 helicopter pilot in china.but we all struggle to having a job .me and my many friends have to quit the pilot job.

Can you guys make a video on how you can be pilot and be your own boss ?

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Check out this other video that we made on how to become a pilot, it should give you a great starting point: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qmmL1KqJpNPgm5s.html

I realize that this video was put out in 2019, but I really hope someone can answer this question: I see on the SUU website that the M.I.S degree doesn't include the flight labs and I'm assuming that the flight labs are the flying portion of earning your Pilots Certificate. Can I do the flight labs separately from the M.I.S degree?

@SUUAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Brandon! Our Outreach team should be able to help you with this question. www.suu.edu/aviation/contact.html

@brandonclarke7079

2 жыл бұрын

@@SUUAviation Hey! Thanks for the speedy response. I reached out to the Admin team as well and they gave me the same answer. I'm going to reach out to the aviation department today and see what I can learn.

I already have Heli and ASEL/AMEL heli/airpl. IFR commercial ratings. Haven't flown in 3 years. Can you give me a cost estimate for CFI and CFII. I also have an A&P with Robinson experience.

@SUUAviation

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Jadler! Our Outreach team should be able to help you with that question. Feel free to reach out to them here: www.suu.edu/aviation/contact.html

Hey SUU, great video and excited me a lot. I am considering either doing a commercial pilots program or going rotary for helicopters. I have always wanted to fly but money and life circumstances have kept me from doing so. I joined the U.S. Air Force and am looking to be out at age 29 and have been a non-aviator (engineering focus) and finally have the opportunity. Saw your Air Force patch Robbie, AIM HIGH brother :). Flying helicopter seems like more of an exciting career path than just flying passengers for the rest of my life, and would love to either be Air Ambulance or Fire Fighting. I'll be digging through your other videos for some other information, but I do have a few questions. How much total time would it take for a 0 hour student to obtain license and "get a job"? What would that first job be and what would the pay be? How much does flight school for rotary cost? What are some of the biggest challenges to school or a flight program in general? TIA

@SUUAviation

5 жыл бұрын

Elliot, awesome comment, and just so you know, a lot of our guys come out of the Air Force. You should give us a call to talk about a bunch of these questions. 435-586-7862. And feel free to ask for Robbie. There are a lot of specifics as far as career path and funding to chat about. But to answer some of your questions, the program takes 5 semesters which is under two years. Funding is a big challenge so we recommend applying for a bunch of scholarships. You can apply for scholarships here: www.suu.edu/finaid/aviation-scholarships.html However, since you'll be a veteran when you attend you can most likely use the Post 9/11 GI Bill to pay for your flight training. Plus you can use BAH to cover your housing costs. It's a really good deal if you're a qualified veteran!

@elliotbennett3917

5 жыл бұрын

@@SUUAviation I know you aren't benefit advisers, but according to the benefits guideline I can't use BAH for Flight Training (www.benefits.va.gov/gibill/flight_training.asp). Is there a way around this?

@SUUAviation

5 жыл бұрын

@@elliotbennett3917 Actually, since we offer university degrees you CAN get BAH while in our program. All of our students also earn a degree while flight training. Feel free to give us a call if you have more questions on that!

Is this something you could start as a potential career at 51?

can a someone from the philippines as a tourist enroll in your flight airbus helicopter simulation and actual training flying a airbus helicopter who already finish/completed ppl and cpl? if this possible in your aviation school how much will it cost and how many hours for flying an airbus helicopter?

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately at this time we are unable to accept foreign students, but we’re working on being able to in the future.

So for a year and a half I've been pro and conning the helicopter pilot idea. The 19th I decided I want it! Downloaded the FAA . Gov. Manual started studying it. But am I kidding myself being 55?!

@SUUAviation

5 жыл бұрын

Jim, first off, good decision. It's at least something worth exploring. Training takes two years and you'll want another 2-3 to build up your flight hours for the really high paying jobs. But you could actually start flying as a paid pilot within two years of starting. And there's no mandatory retirement. So yes, it's later than most people start. But if you really want to, it's worth it. Go for it!

@Jokester713

5 жыл бұрын

Yeeeeehaaaaaa!!!! Just solidified the reality of my dream!!! Now I have a real 2 to 5 year plan that's way better than counting down my days in a warehouse. Going to # 2 airport here in SLC. Saturday and schedule a 1st flight!!!! Thanks SUU!!!!!

@SUUAviation

5 жыл бұрын

@@Jokester713 Nice! Congrats and good luck on your training!

@Jokester713

5 жыл бұрын

SUU Aviation wish you were closer!!! I'd go to your school!!!!

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jokester713 Feel free to visit any time still.

Do you recommend a degree to be successfull in this career or can u be a competitive candidate and make a good wage with just licensing and training+ flight hours

@SUUAviation

Жыл бұрын

At SUU you’ll get an associates degree with your training, and the option to finish your bachelors. Students have found success with both, we recommend reaching out to admissions at aviationadmissions@suu.edu or 435-865-8148 with any specific questions you may have.

I am 36yrs old. I am a unioned carpenter and project manager for one of the largest labor companies in the tradeshow industry. My career has come to a dead hault. Furloughed due to covid. I have always wanted to be a rotor pilot. Literally my entire life. My youth was dedicated to it and i joined the army to become one. That didnt work out and family issues arose that ultimately changed the course of my life. Now more than ever, it has become apparent that my career is not a stable one. It has paid me very well, earning 6 figures on average years but, hurt me once... You know the rest. I want to fly. My real and honest question is this: am i too old? Meaning by the time ive accrued the hours and training for commercial flight, will i be too under-qualified for my age? If not then will the need for additional training to play catch up, cost more than 40k? I have about 100k in savings and i own my home and cars outright. I would be weary of depleting my savings and risk my home and belongings, in an attempt to change my career path, mid flight so to speak. Thank you.

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Christopher, as long as you can hold a flight medical you are able to fly! We understand your concerns and would love to help talk you through it. Feel free to contact us at (435)586-7862 or aviation@suu.edu. We hope to hear from you soon!

Im a retired military aviator from a different country. Planning to immigrate to UK and fly there. What do you think about the flying in UK

@SUUAviation

9 ай бұрын

We recommend reaching out to someone that would be familiar with the laws and regulations within the UK.

Hello, how long would it take me to finish up a flight degree program in your SUU school?? And how much would it cost me ? On a contrary if I purchase my own chopper would I make more money and which industry can I work in with my own chopper??? Thank you

@SUUAviation

Жыл бұрын

Out training at SUU takes 5 semesters and prices vary, however we can send you some information.

Is there financial aid to help people become helicopter pilots?

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, in a few different forms. For veterans there is the GI Bill. If you're not a vet then there are scholarships, limited federal aid and private loans. Currently our director is working in Washington DC to help more financial aid become available to people who want to become pilots.

@donpepe3464

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately no. If you want to become a pilot you have to pay cash out of your pocket. There is no financing available to become a pilot.

I don't care about salary, I just want to learn to fly to the best of my ability and to test my limits and push though any adversities that face me.

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

That’s a great mindset to have. Are you interested in joining the program?

@benedict1698

3 жыл бұрын

@@SUUAviation yes

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome! If you message us over social media, at aviation@suu.edu, or at 435-586-7862, we’d be happy to help answer any of your questions and help you through the application process.

@choppergirl

10 ай бұрын

Fly quadcopters then. I just saved you $50,000 and years with your nose in a book.

im looking to start my helicopter pilot career. Im going to find a flight school and go from there. I have always wanted to be a helicopter pilot ever since i could remember. cant wait to start my career.

@SUUAviation

Жыл бұрын

That's a great goal! Is there anyway we can help you achieve it?

@brandonpropterhoc

Жыл бұрын

@@SUUAviation potentially. I first need to take a medical test to see if i can actually get my license. Being Colorblind doesn't help. So we will see.

@brandonpropterhoc

Жыл бұрын

@@SUUAviation where would you guys recommend getting scholarships from? The flight school thats near me costs 74k. Im looking to find one or many scholarships to help pay for that.

@SUUAviation

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonpropterhoc There are lots of great places to find scholarships! But not all flight school's accept scholarships. We'd recommend reaching out to your flight school for any recommendations.

Also, if anyone here does choose this career, state and government agencies pay the best. Not as good as the airlines but almost. They are also the most professional. However, they are hard to get. Most of the time you got to be in the good ole boy club, someone has to die, or someone has to retire.

Read the comments. This is simply not true. The HAI survey they did was statistically inaccurate on many levels. I've been doing this for 8 years. My assessment? (Don't listen to a flight instruction company) I'd rate Median (out of a pool of all full-time USA pilots) at $50k. NOT 100K! The industry is largely lopsided, with a whoooole lot of CFI's at the bottom end making 20k no benefits. I'd say 20% of the industry of full-time pilots are CFI's (most won't continue their flying careers). And benefits? OK 401k's and OK medical/dental once you're flying turbine. Bare-bones stuff required by full-time employers, really. If you sliced off the flight instruction portion of the industry, median would jump to about 80k, but that is avoidant of the fact that 90% of our industry cuts its teeth for YEARS as flight instructors. It's our little criminal 'internship'. Here's my assessment of the industry growth: Shrinking civilian industry sectors: News, Agriculture, Survey, Photography, Contracting, Oil & Gas, Tours (slightly), Flight Instruction. Stable civilian industry sectors: Utility, Firefighting, Charter Growing civilian industry sector: EMS And I would never spend a dollar on flight instruction. You'll never see a return on that $80,000 investment for 10 years. Get the military to pay for it. Do the bare minimum (Instrument and CFI/II) and avoid NVG, Long-line, "mountain course" (whatever that is). That's all BS and no employer will look for that crap unless it's logged experience because 5-10 hours swinging a bucket or wearing NVG's is useless. Instrument is the most important 'extra' qualification you can get. Let the employers pay for ATP, NVG, Long-line, mountain EXPERIENCE, and etc. Paying for that is like paying for high-quality resume ink. Useless wank.

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

You're right. We're not proposing anyone listen to our statistics. We're proposing everyone listen to the reports done by renowned companies like Boeing, AirBus, HAI and Salary.com. We're sharing that info because they've spent significant time and money gathering true data. That info is valid because it's properly and statistically measured. It's the hard work of big companies and universities spanning the entire industry. If you're considering becoming a pilot, listen to what the employers and industry is saying: -> www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/helicopter-pilot-salary -> www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/global-market-forecast.html -> www.boeing.com/commercial/market/pilot-technician-outlook/ -> www.verticalmag.com/features/does-the-helicopter-industry-have-a-people-problem/

@nordicpride9708

4 жыл бұрын

Rather B Flyin So as someone who is above military enlistment age and looking into helicopters for a second career, are you saying avoid it at all costs? I have a very solid career but plan to retire at 45. Looked into helos and it seems that it’s a military or Rich mans game. To get the proper certs is close to $70-80k where I am. Then the only way to build the minimum 1000 hours to get hired is become a CFI and fly for 1/4 of your life. I was told to just forget about helicopters and only consider commercial fixed wing if I want to make it a career. Thoughts?

@heliflyr67

3 жыл бұрын

I started my Aviation career 20 years ago and from what I've seen I have to agree with Rather B Flyin. My thoughts are that if you are planing on starting a career as a Helicopter pilot, do it for the love of flying and not for the dream of making a lot of money. If you go the military route, I suggest you plan on staying in for the long haul. That military retirement will go a long way when you get out into the civilian world. If you plan on going the civilian route, I suggest you start at an early age before you start a family. Being single in good health allows you to be mobile and will help during the hard times when you are struggling in low paying job with low flight time and little experience. In my 20 year career, I been a CFI, a tour pilot, I have flown summer contracts with the Forest Service and US Parks Service in Alaska to where I am today supporting Oil and Gas in the Gulf of Mexico. 20 years ago, most helicopter pilots found work in the Gulf of Mexico supporting the O&G industry with many helicopter bases along the Texas and Louisiana coast line. Today, most of those bases have closed and a lot of helicopters jobs have been eliminated all due to the off shore oil fields drying up. I'm not saying that helicopter support for O&G is finished. But it will never be as big as it once was. The one sector that has steadily grown is the EMS sector that has a modest pay around $50k-$65k With regards to flying tours, utility, fire fighting and even charter jobs, most of those jobs are at best seasonal work. But some seasonal pilots do make a decent living working only half the year. The pilots that I know that make +$150k work in and outside the US supporting O&G or fighting fires flying highly complicated air frames like the S92 or the Erickson Skycrane S64. The one thing to remember is your health. If you lose your medical you lose your ability to fly and your career could come to an end real fast. I knew a guy who's flying career lasted only 5 years and then ended because he could not renew his medical.

How has COVID impacted pilot demand ? .. both now and in the foreseeable future ?

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Great question, Justice. Boeing just came out with their analysis on the current situation and their adjusted outlook for the aviation industry over the next 20 years. Even with these current setbacks, pilots will definitely be needed as the industry recovers. You can check it out here: www.boeing.com/resources/boeingdotcom/market/assets/downloads/2020_PTO_PDF_Download.pdf

95k to 280k is what I’ve seen with an ATP, NVGs and able to obtain a secret clearance

So my gi bill would pay for a degree and the flight training? And what’s the highest degree I can get with the gi bill?

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

Yep! Almost sounds too good but it isn't. As far as which degree, It really depends on how much GI Bill you have access to. With us you can get up to a master's degree!

@Mashhushup

4 жыл бұрын

SUU Aviation wow no kidding you guys are the hook up, can’t wait till my contracts over, you’ve got me bought

@NoFear4821

4 жыл бұрын

The GI bill will cover 100% of tuition and fees (including flight training) as long as the flight training is a degree requirement, and the degree is from an accredited degree granting institution. In other words, if the ratings you need are separate, or in addition to the degree you're seeking, they will not cover it. If you just go to a regular flight school not associated with a degree granting institution, they will only pay up to a cap of around $12k annually, and will often require you to have your PPL first. So, the best way to use your GI bill is to ensure the school makes the ratings you need a degree requirement and has them as part of the course curriculum. I would still check with the VA/GI bill rep at the school to make sure, as well as call your regional VA representative. Lastly, like was previously mentioned, it depends on how much of your GI bill youre entitled to, which type (post 9/11 vs Montgomery), and which degree plan youre pursuing. I'm currently separating from active duty after 10 years and using my post 9.11 GI bill to get a degree and the ratings I need. Either way, good luck and be sure to contact the school and the VA to see what you specifically qualify for! You can also message me and I can try to answer some questions you have, or point you in the right direction. Cheers!

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

@@NoFear4821 That's a good thorough explanation. That is how our program is able to accept the GI Bill.

@helivids356

4 жыл бұрын

Lake Superior College

If I am not from USA how can I apply?

@edca8114

3 жыл бұрын

Contact the schools you are interested and ask them about it 😎👍🏼🇺🇸🍺

But you still have to maintain the vision requirements for commercial. That's one of the reasons why I gave up flying.

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

True John. Was your vision no longer correctable?

@johns.1287

4 жыл бұрын

@@SUUAviation Thanks for the reply. I could'nt get 20/20 with corrective lenses. Surgery is out of the question because of its very low success rate. I knew I would never meet the commercial requirements so I never completed my fixed wing in hopes of getting my rotary add on. Oh well. Keep up the good work.

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

@@johns.1287 we feel for you. That's tough. Maybe one day there will be advances in the medical industry that allow you to fly.

@210SAi

4 жыл бұрын

John S. You’d have to have an extremely high RX or an ocular issue to not be correctable to 20/20.

@joshsalmi7449

3 жыл бұрын

maybe just don’t have bad eyes john.

Mid range salary for helicopter pilot is 50 to 70k not 90k as mid range salaryFalse info. That's why there are few pilots lol

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

We didn't report the mid range salary, we reported the average salary using factual data from this source on salary.com www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/helicopter-pilot-salary Salary obviously depends on your experience level, type of job and location. But that number is the average salary according data collected by salary.com from helicopter pilots.

made about 110-120k a year with big airline but then i started helicopter mechanic and made over 185k a year. with no overtime. in addition tho i have a mechanical engineering degree. thats probably why.

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Wow! Aviation maintenance can be very rewarding.

@nico7226

2 жыл бұрын

What did you do to become a helictoper mechanic and was it hard paying off the mechanical engineering debt if there was any?

would also like to know whats the best way to get a taste of both helicopter and plane and which one would be right for me

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Intro flights are great ways to get a taste of what each aircraft is like. Have you taken an intro flight in either?

@J9hunna

3 жыл бұрын

@@SUUAviation no i havent, ill have to look into my local field and see, im thinking of starting classes in the fall

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

That’s an awesome idea. Let us know if you have any questions about either aircraft or program.

@J9hunna

3 жыл бұрын

@@SUUAviation you dont have a program out in LA haha i wish you did it seems like you guys program is awesome

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, we do not. Our only location is here, in Utah. Would you ever consider relocating for training?

Who wants to become a helicopter pilot and then move into management and HR? Huh?

Go fixed wing instead of rotorcraft. More jobs available. Training costs slightly less and the base salary after 1500hrs is $100k.

@SUUAviation

Жыл бұрын

In the next 20 years Boeing states there will be an estimated shortage of 59,000 helicopter pilots and 763,000 fixed wing pilots. No matter which path you take, there will definitely be a job waiting for you.

@riod43

Жыл бұрын

Although moving is common in aviation, you're also less likely to move away from home to chase a job with fixed wing.

Do u need college for it? If so whag t degree? Please

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

While it’s not required for helicopter pilots to get a college degree, it certainly does help. Here, at SUU, it is required to pursue either an associates or bachelors degree along with flight training.

I’d love to become a pilot just can’t afford the schooling for it any suggestions

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

We do have a list of a lot of scholarships you could apply for.

@Justkeepitabuck

4 жыл бұрын

Go to the military

@lovesskiingpow

4 жыл бұрын

Go work on a diamond drill up north. Can’t spend money when you’re working remotely 28 days in a row. Plus lots of heli rides.

@shaneblackburn8067

4 жыл бұрын

lovesskiingpow what’s the details on that kinda work

@lovesskiingpow

4 жыл бұрын

Shane Blackburn Shane Blackburn fly in fly out, 28 days on 14 days off, 12 hours shifts. Drilling is a physically demanding job, you got to be willing to work hard, push yourself and work under stress. Another option would be soil sampling, same shifts, less physically demanding, and you’ll make less money per day then the drilling crews. You basically just get dropped off by heli at a new location everyday and go around from site to site collecting soil samples using a soil probe. If you’re serious look into Groundtruth Exploration, I’ve worked with them for a few summers doing both and its always an unreal experience. You’re basically paid 7000$ a month to explore the Yukon. KZread Soil Sampling Yukon, most those videos sum up the experience.

I just turned 43....am I to old to have this dream to be a helicopter pilot? Or should I just not even bother at my age?

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

It's really not too late Randy. But you are looking at a little under two years of training, and about two more years to build up your flight hours so you can make a decent salary. Just like any career you need to build up to it, but if you want a fulfilling career and are willing to put in a few years, you'll be set.

@randyrobertson6116

4 жыл бұрын

@@SUUAviation thank you for your response. That's actually faster than I expected. I was thinking 10 years. I guess I was a bit off. LOL thank you

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

@@randyrobertson6116 Exactly. It doesn't take long to become a working pilot. Now, it will probably take than long to get into upper management positions, but that's no different than any career.

@Babyahuhohey

3 жыл бұрын

Long as you can do the work. Whatever what work it is as a helicopter pilot

@marimac182

Жыл бұрын

Me too we have to be under 70 lol let’s go for it and weight under 250 lbs

has the covid in 2020 hurt the helicopter job prospects in the US

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Great question, even with the Covid-19 outbreak, Boeing is still predicting the need for tens of thousands of helicopter pilots within the next 20 years.

I watched a county sheriff pilot talking about how to get a helicopter flying job. He did not have any flying experience. But he did have enough seniority as a patrolman to be selected into the aviation unit. From zero time to minimum time. These police pilots get the minimum hours due to budget constraints. They should not be giving this discussion. I have over 2000 hours in Black Hawks. I have applied to various rotary wing companies. They would not give me the time of day.

@nunnybun3256

2 жыл бұрын

Any luck nowadays?

What are some great schools around the nation to go to? Not everyone will be able to attend this specific one. If you can't comment I understand.

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

Great question Zachary. We're happy to share because we want to see the industry grow as a whole. UND and Embry-Riddle have great programs as well.

@joshuarogne5852

4 жыл бұрын

I'm a Student at UND and I'm almost finished with my instrument. we only fly R44's. the nvg, external load, and mountain training looks awesome, but UND doesn't provide that. i got my funding through the university and i've had no issues

@141641a

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuarogne5852do you mind sharing how much you make now that you’ve finished the program?

Is it possible for me(I am from Croatia) to go to your pilot school

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

So at this time we're only able to accept US Citizens into our aviation program. We wish we could accept international students and we are working to get that approved, but it's not likely to happen for a while.

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

@karim 33 We wish it could work but unfortunately we're not approved to accept non-citizens. There are probably quite a few other programs out there you could look into that would accept you.

@hamidhamid332

3 жыл бұрын

When in Rome.....

I will fly that helicopter 🚁

Oooooh sorry. You had me until 4:20... Not just a pilot but secondary duties? Can you elaborate? This sounds like Army pilot verbiage. To sell me on this career vs airlines all you had to do was say helicopter pilot = beards 👍 and airline pilots = no beards. Nice educational video for those looking at getting into flying helicopters though

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

You've got the beards part right. As far as secondary duties, it's only a backup plan or a surplus to your income. Plenty of our pilots exclusively fly!

Do you think the military is good route to become helicopter piliot

@fadedflage

Жыл бұрын

Yes

Getting in debt for a job, isn't what ill do.

@philliphampton5183

3 жыл бұрын

Better not go to college then...

@ttemoj

3 жыл бұрын

It is called sacrifice, how bad do you want it? If you start it and don’t finish it then you will have bad time. But if you complete it and work hard for a few years it will be very rewarding.

Lol The good old pilot shortage story...classic!! THERE'S NO SHORTAGE! Its very competitive to get a "good" job! I've been flying helicopters for 10 years and yes I make between 95k-107k a year and I dont work hard at all haha but 90% of helicopter pilot jobs are in remote locations hours away from cities and have an unusual work schedule! You'll be away from home for weeks at a time living in a trailer or duty house. 12 days on 2 off is the schedule for fire or 7 on 7 off for EMS. Flying the news will get you back into town but it pays less and is a lot of work. It takes YEARS of seniority to get the location you want but its possible. If you get lucky and have enough experience you can work for the county. LA County Fire pilots make 300k 😉 Good luck

@andreysergeevich2945

3 жыл бұрын

Finally something that is true all these schools trying to sell the product without giving any of the young pilots realistic expectations I’m 20 and I’m working on my fixed wing commercial license my instructor has been a CFI for 15 years and he’s finally getting offers that are worth switching over super competitive and everyone is trying to hire pilots for as cheap as possible

@roguepilot523

2 жыл бұрын

Somebody's a negative Nancy!

Is it a good idea to start a pilot career at 40 ?

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly it depends on your goals. Flight training will take roughly two years. You'll be able to get a job upon graduation but not a very high-paying job. After graduating you'll need to build up to 1000 flight hours and that can vary but takes about 2-3 years depending on your job. Some of our students have gained 600 hours in one summer but they were working a lot of hours. After you get at least 1000 hours you'll start to make decent money and then you can work your way up to even better jobs. So the short answer is yes, if you're okay spending a couple of years building up to a good career. This is a video we put out that met help answer some more questions. What Future Pilots Need to Know About Working As A Helicopter Pilot: kzread.info/dash/bejne/goqepqyRcrvFYso.html

@Desert515

4 жыл бұрын

No

Double above knee amputee here. Can someone like me be a pilot?

@SUUAviation

Жыл бұрын

As long as you can hold a medical certificate, you’re all set! Would you like some info on how to get a medical certificate?

How much would a helicopter mechanic make?

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Depends where you want to work. At SUU we're hiring mechanics at 45000-65000 a year and that's starting. You could definitely work your way higher with some experience.

What? When someone gets their Rotary wing license with 60 hours, they can get employed. Now that is fantasy. I have over 2000 hours from the Army and helicopter companies won't give me the time of day.

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

There seems to be a misunderstanding. Our students graduate with their private, commercial, instrument, CFI and CFII licenses and certifications, and over 200 flight hours, including night vision, longline, high altitude, mountain training and an accredited college degree. That's not 60 hours. You're not going to get employed with only 60 hours. Our job placement rate is around 95%. So basically every one of our students are getting jobs upon graduation. It can be definitely challenging for pilots coming out of the military to get their first civilian job. Making connections in the industry is super important. What companies have you reached out to so far?

How well are ex-military pilots viewed?

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

We'd love to have you. Lots of our student pilots are veterans. Both Robbie and Mike are Air Force veterans.

@210SAi

4 жыл бұрын

SUU Aviation I took his question to mean do former military pilots get paid better than those trained in the public domain

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

@@210SAi Gotcha. It's the same for both.

@donlaight5943

3 жыл бұрын

Matro Brit navy pilots (rotary) top of their game all day long.

@markrobertson5398

3 жыл бұрын

@@donlaight5943 nah 160th SOAR

I live in south jersey, and I'm 30 years old. Can anyone tell me what the real world industry is like in this region before I try to look into this further?

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Brian, while each region is different every year, the industry as a whole is still continuing to grow. This is Boeing’s forecast for the pilot demand in the next couple decades. Hopefully it can help give you a better understanding of where the industry is currently at: www.boeing.com/commercial/market/pilot-technician-outlook/

Will there be an airplane one?

@SUUAviation

5 жыл бұрын

At this point no, because there are a lot of videos out there with that info. But we will be coming out with more videos on our airplane program for sure. Stay tuned for that. Are you a student or considering becoming a student?

I so badly wish I could afford this. It's my dream to fly.

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

Let us know if there's anything we could do to help. We do have a list of scholarships you could apply for.

@forcozying8549

4 жыл бұрын

Could I get that list?

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

@@forcozying8549 Absolutely. www.suu.edu/finaid/aviation-scholarships.html

As a 37 y/o single dad, this seems far beyond my grasp

@SUUAviation

Жыл бұрын

It's defiantly not! let us know if you'd like us to send you some information.

I'm 8n Canada in Ontario to my knowledge theres nothing here.

Why would having degrees make me earn more money as a helicopter pilot? I thought pilots don't need to worry about college degrees

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Great question. You don't NEED a degree to be a pilot just to be clear. But if you want to get raises, promotions etc. it tends to go to people with more skills and education. You can look at the actual data on salary.com for helicopter pilots and the average salary at different education levels. The goal for a lot of helicopter pilots is to become the chief pilot and to get there you'll want to stack all the qualifications in your favor that you can. Does that help answer your question?

@AllanEvansOfficial

3 жыл бұрын

In other words, unless you’re rich you shouldn’t get a degree because the vast majority of pilots who make the high paying gigs eventually got there by busting their chops and getting the necessary flight hours. Why blow tons more money to get a position that many others without a degree will eventually work their way up to? It’s a load of crock shit. They just want more money from you

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Allan, education is an investment in oneself. In fact, 70% of students take out loans in order to continue going to school so it isn’t uncommon. As for working your way up to a job, there definitely is that possibility. Typically people with more experience and education are more likely to get the job or promotion. Everyone has different paths that work for them, and a degree is just one of the various options.

Didnt even have to watch the video. Helicopter pilots dont make enough.

@SUUAviation

Жыл бұрын

Like any job, you'll find bad hours and pay. It depends on where a person lives, their qualifications, what part of the industry they work in, where they work, etc.

not sure the salary portion is accurate

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

Well the data comes from salary.com and is based off of salaries reported by actual pilots.

@SamLamsTop10Thankyoueveryone

4 жыл бұрын

SUU Aviation perhaps... thou I don’t see that as reliable data. One also has to consider the cost of training to get to the level where you earn those salaries. As a fellow aviator, I do believe pilots should be paid more.

@carlosramirezfabian1256

4 жыл бұрын

Sam Lams Top 10 What is the cost?

35 to start is too old?

Id rather make 300k in fixed wing

@Vicariously...I

4 жыл бұрын

Good, more helo jobs for the rest of us. Have fun driving that bus. ;-)

@sdg954

4 жыл бұрын

Which pilots are making that much?

@GregoryEsman

4 жыл бұрын

Oup!

@BrandonBaunach

4 жыл бұрын

sdg954 all the older airline guys I know at a major

@BrandonBaunach

4 жыл бұрын

GracefulWalrusPK hahaha. Well cargo guys r still making a killing! Give it a few years

Wait.... Helicopter pilots get paid?

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

They sure do! It takes patience, hard work, and dedication to get there, but once you do the reward of flying makes it all worth it.

You must know or have someone in the business to train the right way right equipment. Is who you know frends. Sadley.

I'm 27, too late....

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

27 is definitely not too late! We have plenty of students who took the military route and started training in their mid-to-late 20s.

What's the typical work schedule like for helicopter pilots? And in what job do new pilots usually start in?

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

There's quite a range of options in the helicopter world. Working 7 days on, 7 days off is a common schedule, but there are still "9-5" type jobs as well.

@SUUAviation

4 жыл бұрын

Usually you start by instructing or giving tours.

I fly a damn R22. For 35 bx half hour. After 200 h experience try to get a job ??? Haa. They won’t even. Consider that machine. It’s toy. Not a real helicopter.. that’s reality. Some smoks with money outhere will promise you dream job. Bs.

@lookingforwookiecopilot

4 жыл бұрын

If you don't like it, I would be more than happy to fly an R22 for "35 bx half hour" as you put it.

94 k a year you spend a lot more in flight training. I make 250k a year driving a semi truck. Lol

@SUUAviation

5 жыл бұрын

Nice! That's way above average. The average truck driver is making under $60k a year. But they don't get to fly helicopters 😉

@Dynamoduck-nf4ws

4 жыл бұрын

How the hell are you earning that much?

@Anthony-iq1ut

4 жыл бұрын

Bs unless you own and operate 2 of them

@emanuelserrano5257

4 жыл бұрын

truckers forum owner operator how the hell do u make that as a semi driver ? Are u owner operator ?

@emanuelserrano5257

4 жыл бұрын

AtomicRobot true that man a lot of owner ops gross a lot but only make under 100k I’m a truck driver myself but I’m home every day looking into maybe becoming a pilot thanks for the insight

Soon indias made in india supplier of commercial helicopter transporter fighter drone and hypersonic plane pilots soon.

85k or so is really low. It might be good for a young person. You will spend 15 to 20k just to get a license. I live in NY and I make 100k plus and it is not easy. The industry needs to up their gain

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Sparky, like any job, salary will depend significantly on where a person lives, their qualifications, what part of the industry they work in, where they work, etc.

@runitupn227

3 жыл бұрын

i’m 18 and i’m trying to become one and i’m in ny any recommendations on where and how to start

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

That’s great! We definitely recommend calling into our office at 435-586-7862 or emailing at aviation@suu.edu. From there we can help you start your journey to becoming a pilot.

Let’s be real! Civilians will have to pay $80k-$90K for their ratings. Then they’ll have to instruct and do shit jobs, making $45k-$60K a year. They’ll get hours but little experience, but because they have hours progress. MilItary pilots Get great experience, often lower time coming into civilian industry depending on track, and cant get jobs, or get entry level jobs making $65k-$70K which is a severe pay cut after making $100k plus. The only thing that keeps me afloat, and out of bankruptcy is no debt and my military retirement. It’s frustrating. The airlines thankfully are sniping us military folk. A helicopter pilot has no clear career path or progression. That is a civilian helicopter pilot. The Civilian Helicopter industry, in my experience is highly unprofessional, and disorganized, its the equivalent of the wild Wild West. There are a lot of cowboys out there. I guess if you want to be a bachelor the rest of your life, and only make enough money to have a nice single mans life become a helicopter pilot, but go in the military. You will enjoy it more and wont get board playing second fiddle all the time. Civilian route, ain’t worth, the risk versus reward don’t pan out. Don’t be a slave to the mass of debt, for the next 10+ years only to make $100K max your whole career. Go fixed wing. It’s cheaper, safer, and you make a lot more money.

anybody else lookin at his feet?

There’s money? …..you Don’t get paid shittt

complete BS re pilot demand

90k ewwwww pass

@SUUAviation

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Victor, we have plenty of resources to help students with the cost of training. Here’s a video that we made that’ll give an overview of those resources: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aoyks9t_iZTUfpM.html

@GoWokeGoBroke2023

3 жыл бұрын

@@SUUAviation I meant the salary of 90k is what I was making out of college

@rdspeedfab

3 жыл бұрын

@@GoWokeGoBroke2023 what type of work do you do?

@GoWokeGoBroke2023

3 жыл бұрын

@@rdspeedfab cyber security

@rdspeedfab

3 жыл бұрын

@@GoWokeGoBroke2023 gotcha.

Prob don't make much. But if you had your own heli, def should be getting laid on the regular.

Pretty disappointing.

Balony. My frends. You must spent tons of money get a damn license. How many of you can afford. To rain on ranger at least. 1500 hours ?? Just nonsense the big boys with millions trying to get there money of the investment by teaching ?? Gd luck