Most people don’t need a $3000 rifle. Most people need a $400 rifle with $2600 worth of ammunition.

@Im7heon1yone

3 ай бұрын

They probably used 20k in 5.56

@MulletDestructur

3 ай бұрын

@@Im7heon1yone not hardly. 5.56 is like $0.45-$0.60/round.

@mikerayle6103

3 ай бұрын

​@@MulletDestructur Still spent 3k In ammo on a 400.00 gun doing things it's not expected to do. And they weren't even upset at it. Good job PSA 👏 Test the jackel with an Fn barrel next.

@brockstrong451

3 ай бұрын

People that say this don't train though.

@cykeok3525

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. Or to put it another way, if I needed to have a guy back me up, I'd rather have a guy with a $400 rifle who's put in 10x the ammo in training, than a guy with a $3000 rifle who's done 1/10th the training of the first.

Id just like to point out that for the first time ever on Garand Thumb, he is reviewing an AR15 that I can afford, an AR15 for the poors, an AR15 for the peasants, and Im here for it and will embrace it. This Garand Thumb video is no longer a dream, it's a reality. From myself and the rest of the poors, WE SALUTE YOU

@ryanhamstra49

3 ай бұрын

Except that my freedom kit didn’t come with the happy switch, so it’s a semi freedom kit…..

@dpchief_216

3 ай бұрын

Didn’t he review a radical firearms ar15 a while back? That’s a 400-500 dollar rifle right there

@armorers_wrench

3 ай бұрын

@@ryanhamstra49 My brother in Christ--become a machinist. If you can run a lathe, a Bridgeport style vertical mill, a surface grinder, and a drill press you can make almost anything...especially if you know how to weld too. And if you can run and program CNC you can really make anything...

@snicklefritzd3612

3 ай бұрын

100

@nicholascecil6733

3 ай бұрын

Poor Army Rise!

I purchased a PSA Freedom rifle and put around 1000 rounds through it in about 2 years. No failures to feed, no jams, no worries. Solid product for the average guy.

@Skrittles-iq9ms

14 сағат бұрын

in iraq they would shot around 10k rounds b4 getting a new gun lol. all you gotta do is keep it oiled.that is your best friend is wet oil in ar15's.

As someone who can't afford boujie ar-15s. $400 for an ar-15 that had no malfunctions until after 3k+ rounds. That sounds like the best deal I've ever heard

@burtdanams4426

5 күн бұрын

it'll go even longer if you actually clean it and lube it well

@ritotron5752

3 күн бұрын

@@burtdanams4426 And don't turn a carbine into an entrenched machinegun

5k rounds of 5.56 **full auto suppressed** is more use then 95% of folks in their life AND even if you do its warrantied for life by PSA. Outstanding performance for $300

@Iberny3

3 ай бұрын

5k is fucki nothing lol

@nickbugh1406

3 ай бұрын

@@Iberny3they quite literally in this video said that it is.

@thadisturbedone1606

3 ай бұрын

​@@Iberny3 I've had my ar15 for about a year and have barely shot it lol, I don't think the average gun owner shoots that much

@DL-ij7tf

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I feel entirely justified in having almost exclusively gone with PSA for my AR stuff. They fired more rounds in a couple days through that AR than I've fired my entire life. Going with PSA has allowed me to get a collection of rifles geared for different purposes/ranges and to arm other members of my family if need be. The odds of anyone ever losing a gunfight, should anyone ever get into one, due to the low cost of their AR rifle, are zero.

@ConsensusX

3 ай бұрын

@@Iberny3 I shoot like 100rds/month on my AR. The guys I know shoot about the same or less.

The real hero of this video was the one who took the time to pack all those mags.

@thecursed01

3 ай бұрын

since i saw that machine that autoloads mags, i have a new dream :)

@kn6vbw

3 ай бұрын

@@thecursed01My dream would be just to keep that machine operating. 😁

@seymourwrasse3321

3 ай бұрын

@@thecursed01 my dream is to be able have the money to buy all these toys

@thecursed01

3 ай бұрын

i have neither the rights nor the income to buy guns anyway. that's why it's a dream @@seymourwrasse3321

@joebenson528

3 ай бұрын

@@seymourwrasse3321 As long as it's not Sig or Knights Armament. They both fund g*n control measures in the US.

You guys gained a new subscriber today. No BS review and Asian Mike with precise measurements really breaking down what’s happening to the rifle over longevity. Most gun channels do not go into depth like you guys do. Great video!!!!

@Fraederichs

Ай бұрын

I wish they had made some of the measurements beforehand for comparison.

@Lifechanging99999

Ай бұрын

I live in the area and have never heard of his company.

@willpeifer3976

28 күн бұрын

@brandomh1317 which one was Asian Mike???

For context, i asked a division armorer about what is within spec for our M4's when i brough a humvee full of ones that needed to be repaired and i shit you not he said "we dont replace M4 barrels unless they are reported to have a MOA above 3". so that means we would have to have our commander state these weapons shoot more than a 3 MOA to replace the barrels.

@iiRaptusGaming

13 күн бұрын

Sounds crazy, but then you remember during WW2, rifles were considered acceptable with 4 MOA (granted that was still on the low end of the usable range back then) nowadays if you got a rifle from the factory with 4 MOA you'd be sending it back.

@homeydontplaydat8387

11 күн бұрын

4 moa is the standard for m885 isn’t it?

@BoiiWonder

11 күн бұрын

@@homeydontplaydat8387 In 2017 it was 3. We switched to M855A1 and 3 MOA was still the limit as far as I know. But considering this is big Army it makes sense.

@low-keyobserver8539

11 күн бұрын

Don't M4s run a thicker barrel or is that just for socom?

@BoiiWonder

11 күн бұрын

@@low-keyobserver8539 Garand thumb has a video on the history of it already

$400.00 rifle, 5,000 rounds. After 5k rounds - Replacement 5.56 PSA barrel- $99 bucks. Replacement PSA nitride complete bolt and BCG - $79. 180.00 for 5k more rounds. Value leader, without question.

@chiefkeef74

3 ай бұрын

I just realized for $600 (400+ the 200 because ATF demands its bribe) i could get a full auto PSA AR. I fuckin love this country

@orbyboy123

3 ай бұрын

By the time one would reach the 5k limit, one can easily put the money towards a better barrel and bcg.

@jesseterrell2109

3 ай бұрын

But what if a hoard of taliban come into my town. 😂

@BroJacksonTradez

3 ай бұрын

​@orbyboy123 that's only 20 range trips. That's less than a year

@GunnyO326

3 ай бұрын

@@chiefkeef74 No, you're not. Any machinegun made after May 1986 cannot be possessed by civilians except those that hold dealer and/or manufacturers licenses.

I learned 2 things from this. 1. PSA is killing it right now 2. Get a field Asian to diagnosis any weapon malfunctions

@Dudemieser

3 ай бұрын

😂❤

@theKashConnoisseur

3 ай бұрын

No matter how good you are at something, somewhere there's an Asian teenager that is already way better than you at it.

@zacharyk.7350

3 ай бұрын

Asian phill and white Mike

@robertkidnley93

3 ай бұрын

" and right next to me magazine holder on my duty belt is my battle Asian "

@801Self

3 ай бұрын

Why was i thinking the same fuggin thing pahahahahaha

I thank you for this!! My first build was a PSA Stealth 15. I built it for my son, and we have put about 500 rounds through it. It is accurate and fun. This type of testing and review makes us guys that don't do this for a living feel like they are getting a good deal on their hard earned money. I hope you do more of these in the future. This was one of the most informative reviews I have ever seen.

35:56 "you couldnt put the targets up straight Charlie?" "There circles...?" LMFAO

@pattonbui9994

15 күн бұрын

HAHAH I was dying at this part!

Great video. Keep in mind folks, this "budget" PSA upper blasted out 6,000 rounds without an adjustable gas block, run mostly full auto, suppressed, mostly dry and dirty, and it still performed pretty damn well. When used semi auto with regular cleaning and lubing you can easily triple the amount of rounds run through the upper in the video. Most people buying an AR for "just in case", hunting, home defense or SHTF will never run close to 6,000 rounds through their gun. I think this video shows that for the money, and touted as being the "working man's AR", the PSA upper did prove its worth without a doubt, actually cheap for what you get. I think this reflects very well on PSA and is great advertisement for them.

@indivisible885

3 ай бұрын

All good points! Hopefully more people see that and understand the value of cleaning and lubrication

@Sageofthe16

3 ай бұрын

lol, it didn't look shot out to me, needed a cleaning and replacing gas rings. who runs 6k without cleaning a barrel

@andrewcarlson2178

3 ай бұрын

I'd be curious how many people run 6k rounds in a year, much less 2 days with today's ammo prices. Thats $3k in a weekend.

@harpintn

3 ай бұрын

Very good points. My rifles seldom get more than 100 rounds without a good cleaning.

@henrychacon7262

3 ай бұрын

people only hate on PSA cus its the cool thing to do... never had an issue with any \

Something that most people nowadays dont seem to realize, is that mechanical combat accuracy for military rifles until the last 20 years was between 4 and 8 MOA from the factory. Between 1 and 4 MOA the rifle was set aside for sniper use. This was true for everything from Remington rolling blocks, to Mauser 98s, and to M1 Garands The fact that a sub 400 dollar rifle is anywhere near 1 to 1.5 MOA is nothing short of amazing and a feat of modern manufacturing

@carmisti

3 ай бұрын

Well said

@theblitz6838

3 ай бұрын

Aah, back in the day when "accuracy through volume" was the norm.

@TheTyrial86

3 ай бұрын

​@@theblitz6838 That's still the case in modern times. Crew serves are the battlefield king. Pin the enemy down while you out maneuver them or hit them with kamikaze drones.

@REDACTED_shenanigans

3 ай бұрын

​@@theblitz6838western doctrine is fundamentally build upon fire superiority, which comes down to slinging more lead downrange then your opponent. Also one of the reasons the west went towards intermediate cartridges instead of the oldschool battle rifle calibers

@MagDumpMafia101

3 ай бұрын

I think what Colt was aiming for with the M16/M4 platforms was 3 MOA. I can’t be sure though.

Great video! Thank you Phil for bringing the blueprints and the science! Crazy how much that rifle took before it was done.

The full auto suppressed mag dumps give me The Division flashbacks and how much it took to kill enemies

@41tl

15 күн бұрын

That game sucked lol.

@misterfister7262

10 күн бұрын

Division 2 is gooder

$400 gun survived over $3000 worth of ammo before it started falling off. That's very impressive to me. Most people who buy these will never run that many rounds.

@SNKNostalgia

3 ай бұрын

But for me... it was Tuesday!

@SNKNostalgia

3 ай бұрын

Ammo is cheap. Found some reloads in my dead father's basement.

@Candyman757

3 ай бұрын

Nor will they run them anywhere near this hard and fast.

@tylerwilliams1882

3 ай бұрын

@Candyman757 We had a PSA PA-15 on our gun range, and it survived a few years of abuse and many thousands of rounds from the public. We had it sent back under warranty fixed like new.

@scripteaze

3 ай бұрын

@@SNKNostalgia You had to say dead? You couldn't just say, "My father's basement" RIP

I’m sold. I do like Palmetto’s mission statement, “SELL AS MANY GUNS TO AS MANY LAW-ABIDING AMERICANS AS POSSIBLE.”

@StevenL00

2 ай бұрын

They say that except they won't even bother selling to MA or DC, as behind the enemy lines as these 2 are that's just not cool.

@mithril1584

2 ай бұрын

@@StevenL00MA and DC residents need to fight for their rights first.

@Killiri

2 ай бұрын

Why would you expect them to do something illegal that can have an affect on their ability to even make guns ​@@StevenL00

@daveonezero6258

2 ай бұрын

Assert your rights and maybe they will ship there again. @@StevenL00

@konnerkramer329

2 ай бұрын

​@@StevenL00don't blame PSA for that blame the law makers in those cities and states

Mind you, this $400 rifle withstood full auto and a suppressor, and still managed to chug on past 6000 rounds with no proper cleaning or maintenance. Crazy.

Came looking for answers on my PSA, and you nailed them exactly. Thank you. New subscriber.

Hey man, this comment might get lost but the technical review, borescoping, and gauging really made this video stand out and provide much more value above the "lemme shoot my AR15 til it catches fire" videos. Great content.

@christopherdryden1254

3 ай бұрын

It was the best part of the whole video. Most of the time I watch these and just end up having to explain to my wife my spending of money. This time I felt like I genuinely learned something, and feel a bit better about telling my wife I spent more money.

@maverick00084

3 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@Markyymark662

3 ай бұрын

Your comment will never get lost. Gobbless

@charlieghague

3 ай бұрын

If you like it go check out School of the American Rifle. Chad probably taught the Asian guy everything he did. He gauges everything and will really show you what you don't know.

@zmbombr

3 ай бұрын

Yeah love that geeky Asian Phil dude and the 411...every gunfighter should be a nerd about his tool and know wtf is going on in there...

Budget firearm videos are superior top tier content

@justinroubique1473

3 ай бұрын

so superior i may buy a shitbox because they had fun at our expense.

@chadherrera704

3 ай бұрын

Why? Just curious.

@jonathanhassell818

3 ай бұрын

I'd be curious to see how the M&P stacks up.

@lordfarquaadgaming9316

3 ай бұрын

@@chadherrera704cause most people can easily afford it and everyone knows the 2000$ Daniel defense is going to be good, but what about the far cheaper option? Most people don’t know

@joejones1991

3 ай бұрын

I thought I was the only one

Gotta love Charlie coming in clutch with the "SDI" meanings. This one was an insta-classic.

Just wanted to say you do the best comps and tests, I'm a big brandon Herrera fan, you wear the crap out, and big fan of your range and scenery, keep rolling brother, I've got a ton of pieces that I'd love to throw through your tests....

Putting arms that work in the hands of those with less means is a moral good for a nation.

@ThePatriotsway

3 ай бұрын

Amen!!

@mattyice2099

3 ай бұрын

Yes, those who have moral fiber

For $400-500 for a rifle, 5k rounds before it starts to degrade rapidly is absolutely freaking excellent. Anywhere near 2 MOA after 4000 rounds, for a gun that wasn't being consistently cleaned, had no new real major parts changed out, AND was being shot full auto and suppressed is awesome at this price point. This gun was definitely punching above is weight. I'm not trying to make a case that this is better than more expensive rifles, but if you have this gun this let's me know you can run it with confidence. Thanks a ton for putting this together for everyone!

@The_Draque

3 ай бұрын

It proves that with $1500+ ARs you are mostly paying just for the brand name. There are some small innovations with feed ramps, extractors, and gas blocks that type of thing but for the money not worth it

@thystaff742

3 ай бұрын

The CEO of PSA said the quite part out loud when he revealed that the more expensive brands just charge more for their name. He stated this on a GOA podcast.

@crimsintigerx2837

3 ай бұрын

Apparently they used to or still do get their barrels from FN not sure how true that is today but my Freedom upper I got from them for like 180$ is seriously accurate and it's not free floated

@Coonhound719

3 ай бұрын

@@crimsintigerx2837 so only there premium chromed lined rifle barrels are FN from my knowledge, I own a few of them and they shoot .3 groups with hand load 77g smks!!

@LavitosExodius

3 ай бұрын

@@crimsintigerx2837 that's mostly their higher grade guns. The lower grade guns are their own barrels as psa does have the ability to make most of the stuff in house. That being said 400 bucks for 5k rounds that's not bad. Especially when you factor in you can send it to PSA for warranty. Sure won't work in SHTF situation but if you go through 5k rounds and your still alive in that situation well you've probably picked up several more rifles along the way.

Great video! I like seeing more budget friendly firearms tests. Great job guys;)

Love the weekends, always waiting patiently for my garandthumb notification! Now Micha too! 😅ever b4 him! You fella got me thru to long term relationships burning down. And learned a hell of a lot too. So many of my friends are jealous of your jobs/ and experience. N I ALWAYS learn something. I was army infantry 06'-12'. A few deployments, was fortunate enough to get a slot at armory school, so I'm always super into learning older stuff, and in love w/ the new & exciting stuff coming now & future. Incorporating what I can w/ what I have & what's coming down now! Thanks for what you bring, honest careful consideration. Hehe & you seem to dig shit I do😅 and you share it in awesome ways. Thanks fellas

Running so much suppressed and auto without proper maintenance (clean and lube) is way beyond what 99% of shooters are ever going to put an AR through. As a certified armorer I am impressed. I've been using PSA parts in good, affordable builds for years.

@sbentsen2714

3 ай бұрын

yup for sure

@DB-yj3qc

3 ай бұрын

Yes, lubrication is the killer for many parts as in lack of. I've seen top name brand AR's fail due to lack of lubrication at times within a magazine of ammo. Many times with brand new M16a2 and then later with M-4 carbines. Just from zeroing then jamming up on qualifications. That is 12 rnds to zero then 40 for qualification. Many didn't "want the rifles to get dirty" when I would be running qualifications ranges I would have a few 1 qt spay bottles of CLP then douse the bolt carrer down with a generous spray. Something I learned from shooting M2 50 cal back during "Cold War time" in Germany. Damn I'm old now after having been issued M16a1 though M4a1.. 😳

@zx7-rr486

3 ай бұрын

Just curious .. how are they getting a full auto version?

@ChickenPaulYT

3 ай бұрын

@@zx7-rr486 I'm not 100% sure, but it could be a forced reset trigger. They might have said how they did it, but I just wasn't paying attention

@TheRealDebH

3 ай бұрын

@@zx7-rr486 I believe you can get a stamp for it. Pretty sure if you're military, it's easier.

Asian Phil is definitely a good addition. The tech breakdown was very informative. Bring him on whenever you do a serious detailed analysis of a firearm.

Perfect summation @47:49 -- Not perfect, but not bad. Great testing. If the barrel shows wear after 4K rounds then replace the it after 4K rounds. You can do that >5x before coming close to the price of the rifle this was compared to.

Those close shots with the low music all mic volume😍😍 love to hear the crack in the background

I bought a psa AR-15 a couple years ago. The guys in the store told me they made choice decisions to make sure it would be basically the BEST CHEAP AR-15 and this video has proved to me that they were not full of bs, those words are in fact reality

@davidferreras3101

3 ай бұрын

Wait so question which set up is this one in PSA?

@Im-the-greatest

3 ай бұрын

I got the freedom upper it works pretty well for what it is

very educational video. Thank you. Phil's insight was a great supplement.

This is the best most comprehensive torture test video I’ve ever seen. Would love to see a whole series dedicated to this kind of analysis

$3000 worth of ammo through a $400 upper. Hard to argue with the value there.

@Sovereign_Citizen_LEO

3 ай бұрын

$300 upper. $400 Rifle (according to them).

@brendanberry7403

3 ай бұрын

$500 on sale from what I saw for the rifle.

@Sovereign_Citizen_LEO

3 ай бұрын

@@brendanberry7403 - I have never seen an AR cheaper than that $500 mark (retail). Which means the retailer/ FFL is making 50% of that at least I would guess.

@RIpped_407

3 ай бұрын

DB15 is 450.00 . And I challenge any ANY Gucci gun 2500.00 plus. To the exact same challenge with the exact same shooting conditions. No cleaning,suppressed,full auto etc. Bet it doesn't last either.

@brendanberry7403

3 ай бұрын

Where do you see them for $450? Found an online site for $470 but it’s not counting their $20 handling fee, shipping and then the FFL fee. That can be $20-100 depending on where you go. I see they have a rural king exclusive, so not sure if you mean them if they discount them that much. Closest one to me is about 40 miles away so I typically forget they exist lol. They show $650 right now which is what I paid for my M&P.

“Thank you Asian Phil” “You’re welcome, White Mike “ 😂😂😂

@Bexar_Arms

3 ай бұрын

😂😂🫡🫡

@Dennisthemenace40

3 ай бұрын

Now, that’s funny!!😂

@FLMAN3366

3 ай бұрын

​@Bexar_Arms we need more Phil!

@shadowman8787

3 ай бұрын

I was picking myself up off the floor after that one!!!! LOL

@helmsman3082

2 ай бұрын

Phil was hilarious and really know his stuff.

Wow you guys really dug deep on this one. Great job!

Great video, would love to see y’all test their new Sabre Billet (or forged) would love to see the quality difference from the same company. Cheers and stay safe boys.

Garand Thumb“We are not here to burn this rifle down.” “Alright we are at 3000 rounds let’s continue to burn it down.”

@blueconverse8265

3 ай бұрын

😂

@raulg.6643

3 ай бұрын

No I didn’t put my shoes on no man couch I got more common sense then that…yea I put my feet on his couch. Cocaine is a hell of a drug. - Rick James

@gunztommiegunz

3 ай бұрын

@@raulg.6643😂

@Banefulailment

2 ай бұрын

They were letting it cool all the way down after every 2-3 mags he says that at the end

@scottedwards3403

2 ай бұрын

@@Banefulailmentexcept we’ll see a shit ton of mags get dropped and the daylight/ clothes are the same. I highly doubt they “let the rifle cool all the way back down” the math don’t math with the timeframe

As a machinist of 27 years, i appreciate Phils perspective. Getting actual numbers for the tolerances, really puts the wear into perspective. Thanks dudes, another awesome vid!

@Bexar_Arms

3 ай бұрын

Happy to have been invited out and bring tools out to put some numbers on parts!

@mariodcreatorgaming8236

3 ай бұрын

@@Bexar_ArmsI’ve been wanting one of your BCGs for so long why are they sold out 😭

@richardcranium2581

3 ай бұрын

Trailer park psa m4 won lol

@Bexar_Arms

3 ай бұрын

@@mariodcreatorgaming8236 I got C158 BCG’s in stock right now!

@edwinlongwell

3 ай бұрын

Should check out School of the American Rifle. He does a really good job of gauging rifles.

Damn good video!! Hit on the subject I have been tuned into for years! Definitely helped make decisions on future purchases…

What a great video. It's now confirmed what is expected out of PSA's bottom tier 16" barrel and BCG. I bought one of their 16" rifles with the OD MOE furniture for $450 a few months ago. Its a beautiful back-to-basics rifle not loaded with accessories and camo spray paint. Every law abiding American should own one.

Micah: "You couldn't even put the targets up straight Charlie?" Charlie: *"They're circles"*

@abhishekparmar6702

2 ай бұрын

i laughed for a solid min because of your comment 😂

the great thing about PSA is after 6k rounds you can spend $200 and get a brand new upper and youre ready for 6k more rounds.

@maximilianmustermann5763

Ай бұрын

They should have chemically cleaned the barrel and tested it again. I mean it's not been cleaned for 6K rounds in mostly full-auto with a suppressor. The excessive heat makes the fouling even worse and the copper residue in the barrel was massive.

@Rambonii

Ай бұрын

This rifle is also probly sent from factory to them cherry picking is a thing

@chrisdefonte9441

Ай бұрын

You might not even need to spend $200. I think they have a lifetime warranty...

@Thatguy-uk4ue

Ай бұрын

Nah just send it in for warranty

@TheGonzorelic

Ай бұрын

@@Thatguy-uk4ue shipping costs money. Ffl costs money. Warranty takes time. Just go buy an upper for $200.

Ive watched a ton of torture tests, and most just throw a few thousand rounds down range and say 'yea it works'. This video shows how its supposed to be done. Really liked seeing the components taken apart and measured.

Very awesome to hear all the technical things with BCG

Phil is a phenomenal addition to the channel. He did an incredible job, and the comedic chemistry between Garand Thumb and Phil is amazing. More of Phil on the channel, please!

@Porch412

3 ай бұрын

Nah

@neo4102

3 ай бұрын

@@Porch412 no likey asians? Me love them long time lol

@grrttshw

3 ай бұрын

Bro when Mike goes, "thank you, asian Phil" he hit back instantly with, "You're welcome white Mike" sealed the deal. He was super insightful. Loved the info.

@randysalvaje512

3 ай бұрын

Yea no…. That was way too much

@MattWaller04

3 ай бұрын

@@randysalvaje512you got soft hands brother

>full auto >silenced >near freezing temps >no cleaning in ALL the 6K+ rounds Yeah I'd say that that's the stress test and 95 percent of the users won't do since they would at least clean it and lube it every 1k.

@shalafi71

3 ай бұрын

How is he rocking full auto? Or at least simulating it?

@tiktokshorts7666

3 ай бұрын

he most likely has an ffl and was able to alter it@@shalafi71

@lizardpeter

3 ай бұрын

@@shalafi71Just buy a full auto lower.

@Karmaplays824

3 ай бұрын

How and where?​@@lizardpeter

@lizardpeter

3 ай бұрын

@@Karmaplays824 Many states in the USA. Just search them up online and look for auctions.

Man. What a great video! Thanks!

I learned a lot on this one, especially about the inner workings and wear specs of an AR bolt assembly.

PSA is simply doing gods work. Arming the common man with a rifle that in almost every aspect will never make it to this round count yet it can still handle it.

@mattutubematt

3 ай бұрын

It me. I’m common man

@c2dholla

3 ай бұрын

Very good for what the future holds.

@CouchVet0431

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, and they are running it with very adverse conditions, and it held up for that many rounds. PSA gained a fan boy today.

Love the pairing of a $1,200 optic for the $400 rifle.

@JGstunts22

3 ай бұрын

Well with the mount and red dot your like 2k lol

@rustymacshackleford6276

3 ай бұрын

Optic should always cost more than your rifle.

@elliotc9091

3 ай бұрын

Like it should be

@wishuhadmyname

3 ай бұрын

​@@rustymacshackleford6276Says who?

@gunsandmachinesenthusiast

3 ай бұрын

​@@wishuhadmynamehard of reading? He just did

Amen to this. I’ve had budget rifles in the past and that’s no problem. You work your way up . I upgraded to a BCM and I will never go back, but I never forgot my roots!

Wow I haven’t watched Garand Thumb in a few years and he was crazy jacked now!!!

This rifle NEEDS to be good. Having something like this available for the price is the whole point of the 2A

@nateburns5933

3 ай бұрын

And PSA's CEO said that's his purpose and he is an awesome man for that! My super hero!

@smokingcrab2290

3 ай бұрын

It is good. People who think budget AR's are bad are like people who buy a Toyota camry and drive it into a pole and say "oh no it doesn't work anymore, I guess it's just a bad car". Take care of it same way you'd take care of any gun and it'll run how you need.

@PilotEricG

3 ай бұрын

@@nateburns5933yeah, he claims to make the best for the cheapest price. He knows the price of all the parts at factory price. He just isn’t price gouging everyone

@scronk4486

3 ай бұрын

The 2A does not cater to poors.

@MrRAGE-md5rj

3 ай бұрын

Worth every penny.

So what I'm hearing, "A PSA rifle will kill "something" just as well as someone's $5k Gucci gun."

@JohnDoe-mt8rf

2 ай бұрын

Yea

@american236

2 ай бұрын

Yes. We’ve been getting ripped off on the $1,500-$2,500 guns.

@king_tv2204

2 ай бұрын

That and some Gucci companies *cough H&K cough* have absolutely dog shit customer service

@generalgreevus8773

2 ай бұрын

@@king_tv2204 HK hasn't put a modern firearm on the US market for like 40 years

@king_tv2204

2 ай бұрын

@@generalgreevus8773 hk 23 made in the 90s but yeah seem a few people that had some issue with it on gun pages, said they’re shit people and say it’s something they did is why the gun is broken

Also looks like someone has been bulking! Kind of a surprise as someone who skips around your vids, but I respect the gains my man. love the channel, love the content, please keep it coming!

this was one of the most fascinating videos ever. delving into the machining specs was awesome

@hairydogstail

Ай бұрын

Yup, he is a good imitator of Chad from the School of the American rifle..

Mike's not pregnant but he always delivers

@crispy_338

3 ай бұрын

He’s a shooter of targets and seed

@Grey_Fox_Six

3 ай бұрын

Bro got big. I need to work out

@elvindejesus8584

3 ай бұрын

So he is Gynecologist

@haroldfarquad6886

3 ай бұрын

@@Grey_Fox_Six his dad advice a couple months ago "get ape shit fuck jacked" really stuck with me and it helped me get back in the gym.

Dude. You gotta bring back the "if you've ever" for a video or two

@smnkm4ehfer

3 ай бұрын

I miss that. Also miss "most often forgotten but most certainly not by me"

@maximusprimus827

3 ай бұрын

I miss skinny non-bearded Garand Thumb.

@UnknownUser-fe5zu

3 ай бұрын

I think leviathan made them put an end to that. 🤷🏼‍♂️🙄

@asiberiantiger188

3 ай бұрын

​@@UnknownUser-fe5zu idk who that is but they should no longer be involved

@deeznutz8320

3 ай бұрын

Without the really bad tattoos he has@@maximusprimus827

Fantastic video as usual from the best guntube channel out there!

So what I’m hearing is buy more PSA rifles. You can own 7 for the price of a “real” rifle. With proper maintenance, fired unsuppressed, and semi-auto these rifles will last. A lifetime warranty included, American made rifle for everyone is exactly what we need.

@meshuggahbingus8260

3 ай бұрын

Yeah that works until you get 4 out of those 7 rifles being pieces of trash from the factory. PSA still has major issues with QC, I agree with garand thumb in saying I like where PSA comes from but it's not particularly something that's viable, especially when you can get a SOLGW or BCM stripped lower and build it yourself for the same price range.

@GryphonArmorer

3 ай бұрын

That’s pretty much what I’m hearing. With proper maintenance, like you are required to do in the military, it should last a regular person a lifetime... even in SHTF scenario.

@drunkenmick

3 ай бұрын

@@meshuggahbingus8260 Have you been in the military? These rifles, especially with a regular maintenance schedule, will last and do better than the typical military rifle.

@kamron_thurmond

3 ай бұрын

Or buy 4 Diamondbacks.

@user-ty5di3ku6o

3 ай бұрын

What you heard was it is almost decent...

I took a rather expensive shooting class from a school we see on KZread all the time. The 1st instructor informed me that most people that come here don't bring a 500 dollar rifle with a 300 dollar scope. I told him, "I did." I shot better than 80% of all the other students, and never had an issue with my equipment. Two 5,000 dollar guns broke down, and one 7,000 gun broke down. For the final exam of the run and gun on multiple targets, I was the only one to clear the course with no misses. I'm in my early 70's and my suggestion is, purchase a less expensive gun, and spend the money on ammo and practice time. Practice, practice, practice.

@saltyexxer8253

3 ай бұрын

From what I've experienced, the average guy who isn't competing in target shooting of some kind can't shoot as accurately as their equipment will allow, regardless of what they spent on the rifle.

@uwesca6263

3 ай бұрын

Its funny how often i tell my customers to spend a few hundred bucks less on a gun and doing the same on the scope and reinvest every cent into ammo and train with it, and how nearly noone ever pays attention to it. Instead they buy extremly expensive firearms that rarely see 400 bucks worth of ammo.

@Buletspunge555

3 ай бұрын

I had a very similar experience with a traveling seal instructor a few years ago. Of course he has 20/20 vision. When he looked through my budget LVPO, he just about had a heart attack. I have very bad eyes and wear corrective lenses, so of course it was all blurry for him. He really kind of shit on my optic package right there in front of me. But later in the class, I was able to shoot a cleaner run that almost everyone else with way more name brand gear.

@Buletspunge555

3 ай бұрын

@@saltyexxer8253 yup. In my experience, for some reason, people struggle more with producing accurate rifle fire than they do with pistols. I've seen it in classes and in competitions. It's a strange phenomenon.

@Buletspunge555

3 ай бұрын

@uwesca6263 a close friend was spending emergency prep funds on his shooting setup a little while back. His wife had blessed it, so it was rare. He had a stash of ammo and a kitted out long gun. When asking me what armor he should buy with his 1k, I advised him to go take a rifle class first. He has no real-world experience at all. Did he listen to me? Nope. Bunch of armor gathering dust in his closet. He never wears it and still hasn't learned to run his rifle. People think they can buy skill too often.

great video!! well done gentlemen

I own a DDM4v7, an F-1, etc. One thing I will say is My palmetto and My 2nd gun I ever bought (an M&P 15) both come relatively close to My higher end, Gucci AR's. By relatively close, I mean close enough in grouping and reliability. Of course, the higher end AR's feel better and look better always. As In regard to malfunctions, the only AR I have ever owned that malfunctioned consistently was a DSI 300 blackout upper, with a 16-inch barrel and a carbine length gas system. The second I replaced it with a pistol length gas system, all of the failures to eject and stove piping stopped. If I do get a malfunction these days it's almost always the ammo. That or it's an AR I forgot to clean after a range day being fed 1,000 rounds or more. In 2024, you can spend $500 and have an AR that will serve you well for the rest of your life, if taken care of properly of course.

White Mike & Asian Phil sounds like a dope rap duo stage name.

@Bexar_Arms

3 ай бұрын

Dropping our EP soon ™️

@mastershaw3094

3 ай бұрын

lol sounds dorky, don’t go there

@camilams1080

3 ай бұрын

I'm an Asian Phil, hey!

@213chewy

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@mastershaw3094 no it doesn’t, it sounds awesome

@adamg574

3 ай бұрын

@@mastershaw3094 you’ve obviously never heard of the legendary MC Miker G and DJ Sven.

In a civilian self defense situation if you're laying down auto suppressive fire, Things have severely went left and most definitely "HIT THE FAN"

@lithium1770

3 ай бұрын

that's the whole fucking point

@RealMTBAddict

3 ай бұрын

Thanks Biden

@RealMTBAddict

3 ай бұрын

​@@lithium1770yeah you gotta explain everything nowadays to toddlers.

@sebastiancleveland727

3 ай бұрын

yes thaat would mean the fecal matter has hit the propeller. Thats why the 2nd Amandent was written.

@stoops187

3 ай бұрын

@@lithium1770right?

In SHTF, if you make the best of the situations presented to you by being sneaky, you will have replacement parts / weapons until the knuckleheads are culled.

The shots off the minibike with epic music in the back

Now to make the test complete, do the same thing with a "good" AR-15 upper.

@leonvanderliner

3 ай бұрын

Exactly that's what I feel was missing from this video. Granted, they can't do every rifle, but doing the same thing apples to apples with the PSA then a "mid" upper, then premium upper would have been more illuminating.

@jasonlaird2744

3 ай бұрын

Amen.

@scripteaze

3 ай бұрын

Whats a good upper? I want to build my own and i need a list of parts ill need. Does the lower even matter? Which parts would you choose to build a nice ar 15?

@nSquared75

3 ай бұрын

@@scripteazeDepends on how you define “good” and the type of ammo you’re shooting. For a complete upper, there are tons of premium uppers from the likes of Daniel Defense, Bravo Company, Knights Armament, and the list goes on… Colt would be considered mid-end. Much of it depends on things like barrel twist rate, depending on the grain of the bullets being sent, suppressed vs not…… Too many variables in the equation. That’s why custom builds can be tricky. If you’re just going with your run of the mill mil-spec 55 or 62 grain ammo, then you’re often not getting the benefit of some of the more expensive upper setups. Edit: The lower takes far less abuse so, you can go much cheaper. However, your tolerances with how the upper mates with the lower can come into play that can factor in many ways. Some may fit loose and have wobble and improper fitment with the upper. This can bring forth some issue when having Frankenstein builds. Sometimes it’s best to buy a decent mid grade complete rifle and, upgrade things like the trigger group, bcg, and barrel, buffer tube/spring to the specs that you desire.

@ProbInsane

3 ай бұрын

@@scripteazeBCM is the go to for higher tier builds. Aero Precision is a pretty good mid-tier option IMO. There's a lot of things that go into durability and reliability with ARs but if anything do not cheap out on your upper.

We need more Phil on this channel. He's a warehouse of technical knowledge combined with the personality of a truly nice guy. Kudos to PSA for building a rifle that almost anyone can afford and still run without thorough maintenance for more rounds than most AR's will ever see in a lifetime.

@buckaroobonsi555

3 ай бұрын

I think if maintence was done more often it would have done ever better!

@Grief_Bacon762

3 ай бұрын

yes more Phil, I learned so much in this one

@XPsychowaffleX

3 ай бұрын

​@@buckaroobonsi555and that's the thing, you'd HOPE people do more maintenance than this, so it definitely leans on the extreme side of tests. BUT. there are guns that hold up under worst torture. So it's a good area to explore durability and abuse in a short amount of time

@abolishtheatfandrepealthen6963

3 ай бұрын

All this Phil knowledge is simply school of the american rifle knowledge transfers from shad. You'd think they'd give a shout out

My first AR (and the only one i have now) is a flat top high standard i paid like $700 for about 18 ish yrs ago. It wore a slide stock for a couple 2 or 3 K rnds along with another K or 2 of just shooting regular and it will do 1" 3 shot groups at 100 yds with the reflex sight thats on it. By the time i fixed up the flat top with sights and stuff i prob had $1000 in it. Also the sights been there the whole time and its cheap too. I paid like a buck twenny for it and it still works great too. Id rather have 2 $1000 guns than 1 $2000 gun

Always get “happy” and comical information from your channel “ love y’all, mean it!”

I would argue that the barrel is not shot out because It isn’t shooting keyholes yet. That thing had a ton of carbon fouling in it. I think if all of the hard carbon was removed and the barrel was stripped to bare metal that it would shoot better than 5” or 6” groups. Maybe I’m wrong, but I’d love to give it a go. Edit: After stripping the barrel I’d also change the springs, add new gas rings to the bolt and let ‘er buck! Pros to PSA for making an affordable product for the 2A community. Thanks GT Team for the excellent video!

@ciro79

3 ай бұрын

Car engine wear in normal exopatation and race is not the same.Racing burn engines for one hour.For some taxi driver same engine can last half bilion miles.Same thing is with gun barrel.They does not wear,they burn.If that barrrel last 5000 rounds in these extreme fulll auto test,that barrel would last 100K rounds for some hunter who shoots cold barrel mostly.

@manictiger

3 ай бұрын

​@@smithsmithersen1646 I wouldn't even worry about lifespan on a home D system. I'd worry about reliability and size. Bigger hurts reaction time in all sorts of ways. If you're in Korengal Valley, you take something that engages 600 yards. If you're in your house, you take a PDW, imo.

@madhatter6913

3 ай бұрын

The carbon is a problem but maybe not as much as the copper fouling when it comes to accuracy. There was so much copper in the barrel oxidizing it turned blue. So if they used some very serious copper remover and cleaned the snot out of it there is a good possibility the accuracy would have improved dramatically over the last group. I don’t care how expensive the upper costs if it is full of carbon and copper it isn’t going to group well at all.

@user-zd6me1ye4k

3 ай бұрын

Very true @Madhatter I was very impressed with the extreme conditions this barrel was put through. I have the nice stuff too. But I put the Freedom barrels through hell 😂. A second video with the copper fowling removed would be very interesting to see.

@jeremyjones9935

3 ай бұрын

It was a good video… until The end. Maybe try cleaning the damn thing, then run it again.

Give props to PSA for making a $300 complete upper that could handle 6k+ rounds. What kind of makes me scratch my head is that assumption that a "base" complete upper is a shameful thing to have. If this is yous SHTF gun, be glad you have a good, long lasting upper that can delivery rounds on target. Sure, it's nice to have a $1000 upper, but if you brag about having it and never use it, well now, that $1000 upper is SOMEONE else's. Oh, and a simple fact that you can make that upper last a lot longer with an upgraded BCG made of high quality components and print better groupings with proper cleaning of the barrel as well. Not too many of us viewers have the access to an *ahem* "super-fast smei-auto" lower to report back what we find. Buy what you can afford to defend you and yours and train with it.

@skippyvonbudro2919

3 ай бұрын

Damn straight, 100% agree

@GibbyCustomz

3 ай бұрын

Yep I agree with you 1000%

@jamoy1993

3 ай бұрын

If i were privileged enough to I would legit have my fancy range gun and a couple of these for SHTF. Good to have a spare and for 300 bucks that is mad cheap. I just bought a straight pull (laws suck here) and it cost me close to 2.5k USD for the upper and lower combined.

@stevep7346

3 ай бұрын

I'm just really confused why SOMEONE is so important. Seems like a weird part of the sentence to shout for emphasis.

@jpk9171jpk

3 ай бұрын

You could honestly just spend $25 on a solgw bolt upgrade kit and and be good to go. I’m honestly impressed.

This was an AMAZING review!

Back in 2017 I bought two 16" AR-15 Complete Rifle kits for $250 each and 2 Anderson stripped lowers. Those are two awesome cheap economy blaster's that shoots tight groups. I must admit that I love the cheap builds too.

This did nothing but inspire complete confidence in PSA if you ask me.

@jessesimmons4503

3 ай бұрын

They do a fine job.

@BoredAmerican

3 ай бұрын

Yea like genuinely as a giga chump who wants a rifle for doomsday prepping I will never be let down by my rifles

That rifle was doing 1moa after 4k rounds and much of that was full auto. That’s more than 99.9% of any AR-15 will ever see, and frankly freaking insane.

@Reviews4fun1

3 ай бұрын

Yeah and beat to ish with zero maintenance. I’d bet most guys at least run a few patches through the barrel after a few range trips and drop some lube in there.

@JohnnyReb2000

3 ай бұрын

​@@Reviews4fun1yeah, I was pretty much raised on the mindset of not cleaning your firearm after a range trip being like not wiping your ass when you use the restroom. Only exception I make is when I only shoot one or two rounds during a hunting trip or similar situations. I do agree that the upper used in the video saw way more abuse than the majority of AR's will ever see. That being said, if you were to go the build route instead of buying a complete rifle, you could buy PSA stripper lower and upper receivers and use the money saved from not buying premium brand receivers to invest in better quality barrels, BCG's, etc where having better quality parts would be more worth the extra money spent.

I'm loving the antiques roadshow vibe from Phil.

Probably one of the funniest episode so far but still very educational, good job boys

This is the best rifle evaluation i have seen on the internet, so far. Definitely the only one where ive seen the rifle and bolt actually broken down and evaluated, measured and critiqued by a professional. This, this is excellent content.

@paulelen8804

3 ай бұрын

Would you expect anything different from the Thumb??

@danielmanly4793

3 ай бұрын

Check out "School of the American rifle" if you're in to the details.

@MordecaiSoup7

3 ай бұрын

Look up school of the American rifleman. It’s an actual gunsmith who deep dives into the specs of AR’s and show you what’s good and what’s bad in manufacturing

@marcushale1931

3 ай бұрын

But why run it suppressed?

@RJT80

3 ай бұрын

They contradicted themselves at the end. They didn't shoot the barrel out at all. That rifle would still run. Definitely if you tossed another $50 BCG in. I'm guessing they ran out of ammo and or interest in taking it any further. Didn't Rob Ski put 10k through his PSA freedom rifle years ago?

That PSA will stop a bad guy just as effective as that expensive AR. Dead is dead

@Borderline5440

3 ай бұрын

If it goes bang every time and gives you "minute of bad guy" accuracy at reasonable ranges, that's really all you can ask for. Anything over and above that is just gravy.

@BloopTube

3 ай бұрын

Bullet and barrel length is what matters, so long as the rest is reliable thats all that really matters aside from drip levels

@bigglocktv7481

3 ай бұрын

Theres dead then there’s dead as a doorknob. THERES A DIFFERENCE

@bigglocktv7481

3 ай бұрын

@@BloopTubebarrel length? How long does a barrel need to be affective in real time killing range?

@JohnLocke1776

3 ай бұрын

Dead like Zed

Polished the machine marks out of the bolt carrier's bolt bore and my 450$ (new) PSA .300 blk (rifle length gas system) now it works flawlessly, the only other issue I have found is it does not like weak springs in cheap magazines.

One of the things that budget manufacturers get criticized for is that they usually secure their gas blocks with set screws rather than pinning. PSA being one of those companies that uses screws on AR-15s. We can all agree that pinning is a more secure method and provides a secure mechanical connection to the barrel. But contrary to the “internet experts” this video shows that using set screws can be durable and can hold even under sustained full auto fire. I mean if you listen to the internet, with all the vibration, barrel whipping, lateral forces from the recoil and heat that gas block should have fallen off half way through the test.

@hairydogstail

Ай бұрын

If the gas block is under the hand guard, the barrel is dimpled, the gas block and barrel journal is with in spec and installed correctly, the gas block will stay put very well...

Phil is a gem and should be a GT staple cast member. Well done PSA!

@denniswerner1670

3 ай бұрын

Honestly… for $300-$400 that rifle did damn good.

Man I love Asian Phil, very knowledgeable and a great communicator. These are simple machines, but because they are so dynamic, the details really matter and aren't always obvious! Very interesting breakdown.

I've built quite a few rifles with Anderson stripped lowers and PSA kits. Never had an issue with any of them putting about 500-1,000 rounds in each so far. Best bang for your buck imo.

the dramatic music certainly helps.

I love all the firearms knowledge and testing you do, but I have to admit, the most excitement I get is seeing if Charles is in the video to give SDI a new meaning. 😂

@wildcat8598

3 ай бұрын

Garand Thunb video

A $10,000 Gucci gun is by far worse than a $500 gun and $5,000 ammo with $4,500 in training.

@maybeaspider3456

3 ай бұрын

or half a dozen identical looking rifles on the same platform. as opposed to a few solid picks with good upgrades

@robertswitzer3630

3 ай бұрын

Long time ago asked my buddy if I should get a high dollar AR or mid priced. He said: "lead kills, not gold".

@GreyGrim

3 ай бұрын

so.. $500 rifle- $9000+ in ammo, because you can watch vids on how to shoot all day but nothing will progress untill you go to the country/shooting range and start putting rounds on paper

@myfavoritemartian1

3 ай бұрын

@@GreyGrimFor $4,500 in training would include range time and practical exercises. +$5,000 in ammo is a lot of shooting. Good professional training ain't cheap. Like Gunsite and such.

@maybeaspider3456

3 ай бұрын

@@GreyGrim if you watched this video at all you'd know that $9000 worth of ammo thru a $500 rifle is going to kill the rifle. If you have $10k to spend you'd be better off spending 1/3 of that on a gun that can actually cycle the remaining $7k in ammo without needing to replace half the parts. Try using your brain

Thanks for your video 👍

Thanks

"You couldn't even put the targets up straight Charlie?" Charlie "They're circles" 🤣🤣🤣

@delaseoul87

3 ай бұрын

Underrated comment

@JAM4MORE

3 ай бұрын

Exactly 😂😂😂😂

Seriously worthwhile work for the audience. If every house in my neighborhood had a PSA and 3-4 mags of ammo, and they've only been to the range a couple times and put a couple hundred rounds down range, I'd feel a lot more comfortable than if only one or two houses had Daniel Defense run by former operators. Realistically, none of us are ever going to need 5000+ rounds to defend ourselves. We might need a few dozen rounds in home defense or to escape a riot, or several hundred under WROL. A 5000 round life is probably going to be plenty to get basic proficiency and ability to survive long enough to make one's way to a place with better weapons.

@joshstewart3313

3 ай бұрын

Most veterans that I know... mostly use PSA builds... for the price... they really don't care... It works....

@Vicarium

3 ай бұрын

This. Outfitting 5 men in my family with a basic red dot and 7 mags for a little bit more than money than JUST a Daniel Defense or other Gucci ARs is a win. Reminder, this is PSAs cheapest offering...6000 rounds cost $2500 or more depending on what you buy. Sometimes quantity is better than quality.

@PaddyInf

3 ай бұрын

Like Stalin said, sometimes quantity has a quality all of its own. ​@@Vicarium

@R.Sole88109

3 ай бұрын

What's the rules of a gunfight?. 1, Have a gun. 2, Bring your mates who have guns.😁 Plus two is one and one is none. So $400 PSAs will do the job.👍🏻 And in a real world defensive shooting your gun will be in evidence for a while....

@Ratkill9000

3 ай бұрын

And even with that, if you have replacement parts on hand for everything consumable on it, you're going to he fine for a good while.

I haven't seen it mentioned, bur Phil's 'stash is on point!

43:32 mans brought out the STC file like a tech priest 😂

A $400 complete upper firing over 5000 rounds, suppressed, in full auto, and for the most part, out of the box with minimal maintenance. That is beyond reasonable expectations. My issued M4 was nearly cooked around 4k non-suppressed with regular cleanings.

@SergioGonzalez-gi9kr

2 ай бұрын

I'm no expert. But this seems to be on point. Just based on the many hours of KZread I've watched and the conversations with bros that have been deployed.

@LordDirus007

2 ай бұрын

Old Colts are garbage, you have to think your M4 was probably made like 20 years ago.

@rileyp1419

2 ай бұрын

Those old colts did not hold up well.

@thejoker9201

2 ай бұрын

You were issued M4s?? Shit I was 11bravo Infantry and we were never issued M4s. My last deployment to Iraq was 06. And we still were using our beat up old and worn out M16A4s.

@rileyp1419

2 ай бұрын

@@thejoker9201 I was in Afghanistan 2013. Y’all went hard with those m16s in Iraq though, I definitely respect the guys before me.

90% of people aren't ever going to spend $2.5k plus on ammo to get to the 5k round mark.

@Maddog3060

3 ай бұрын

Well, not all at once like these guys did, but over years of ownership and shooting anyone will eventually get to that point. Unless they just stick the rifle in a closet and forget it. Hell, people pay for cars that cost tens of thousands of dollars by paying a little bit at a time. So it's not out of the question that people will reach that point.

@borkwoof696

3 ай бұрын

It’s also not uncommon, though

@andyleotell

3 ай бұрын

A little at a time and ye shall exceed 5k rounds of 556!

@lucasvaughn629

3 ай бұрын

​@Maddog3060 that's exactly what people do. The vast majority of people will buy an ar shoot in a couple times a year and never rack up more then 1k rounds if that.

@fujimi715

3 ай бұрын

Because most people don't actually train.. they just talk shit and post memes