How Many AMRAAMS Are Enough? | F-15 EX Eagle Vs J-11 Flanker-B | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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@Anarchy_420
Жыл бұрын
F-22 Raptor VS Nine North Korean MIG-29's BVR
@Asspiss100
Жыл бұрын
Yes more brv tactics with tacview after👍👍
@kekelaward
Жыл бұрын
How about a Ronin mission with a Black Shark and a Warthog working together to devastate a target. Constant firepower on target. When the Shark comes off target, the Hog is rolling in. Maybe even try it with a FAC (I remember back in my youth, silly talk of the Viper doing FAC work). Maybe grab the other stooge and light up a treeline!
@brilliantradience
Жыл бұрын
bruh keep doing the FYI 101 briefs
@intel-hood8636
Жыл бұрын
“Missile truck” was also considered for the B1, probably would have been effective given their top speed and capacity, but idea dropped as they are slated for retirement.
That explanation of the datalink symbology was gold. I had no idea that the symbol sizes meant anything. Please include more of that wisdom in future videos too.
@GrowlingSidewinder
Жыл бұрын
Wilco brother. Will try to do things like that more often.
@mattfleming86
Жыл бұрын
Oh come on dude! You didn't read the 872 page manual??
@mayer492
Жыл бұрын
@@mattfleming86 LMAO
@sogerc1
Жыл бұрын
@@GrowlingSidewinder Could you please explain the NATO style display too in an upcoming video?
@staticxmachina
Жыл бұрын
Seconded. I've been watching GSw for a while and rarely comment but immediately came to say just this.
1:21 Please explain like this from time to time for us who don't play DCS. Absolutely love your content. I think I've never missed any video since I've subbed to your channel.
@GrowlingSidewinder
Жыл бұрын
Thank you man I appreciate you, much love.
@anomaly_echelon7994
Жыл бұрын
@@GrowlingSidewinder Been playing DCS for 6 years now and I still had no idea on how to interpret Datalink on Russian aircrafts since I'm only used to Nato Airframes, so that really helped.
@chubbybear7777
Жыл бұрын
Totally Agree! You do an awesome job explaining a few things even in combat!. This was awesome because ii look at the radar and screens trying to follow sometimes no clue what i;m looking at most of the time. little explanation like this when you havn't played the aircraft recently or a lot would be nice
The answer is yes.
@lord_kerman
Жыл бұрын
At the least lol!
@FroggyGaming1
Жыл бұрын
Best comment
Weapons officer: How many missiles should we load on the plane, sir? F15 Pilot: Yes.
@allen480
Жыл бұрын
That’s determined and ordered by mission planning, not,the pilot.
@Noisy_Cricket
Жыл бұрын
@@allen480 I know. It's just a joke lol
@cosmoray9750
Жыл бұрын
Look up " Washington Slobbers All Over Zelensky, Gives Him Another $2 Billion " on yT. insightful and funny......
@MrKnoxguy101
Жыл бұрын
Lol yeah.. “oh.. all I can get.”
@711WasAPartTimeJob
Жыл бұрын
*That's what V2 is for*
The F-15 still living up to the name, "Flying SAM site". Great stuff. 👍
At one time there was a B1BR concept that would have been an AIM120 truck. It would have been able to super cruise and would receive its target information from a forward F22s via data link.
@williamthornton5856
Жыл бұрын
Yep, also heard about this. This would have been a definite volume launcher with fighter speeds, but not as manueverable as an F 15 EX.
@bubblesofthecoast6393
Жыл бұрын
I think I remember seeing it when Dogfights did one for future combat. In the future segment, we had a pair of B-1’s fire a volley of AMRAAM’s while the Raptors scouted out a gaggle of Gen 4 fighters for the “bombers” to smoke.
@varmint87
Жыл бұрын
It’s called the B-ONE-R
@LightningSaix
Жыл бұрын
Supposedly the new tactical dorito can carry a carousel full of missiles for that very purpose.
@ronaldeaker6402
Жыл бұрын
A B-1 with a bay full of AIM-54s would be a long range sky sweeper.
I feel like the F-15EX is going to really come into its own when equipped with the AIM-260.
@uummmnocoolnames
Жыл бұрын
I mean, it's already scary enough with 90-100 mile range AIM-120Ds and data-link guided missiles that mean an F-35 or F-22 can spot for it. A single flight of EXs with 96 AMRAAMs could - theoretically - severely cripple, or straight up wipe out, almost any given country's standing air force without ever entering radar lock range themselves.
@Error-33
Жыл бұрын
@@uummmnocoolnames most countries have more aircraft than 500 but yeah i do agree the f-15ex platform is quite powerful when used with the other aircraft on a nicely planned mission i really wonder how the f-15e with the new motors will perform on dcs, that's gonna be awesome ngl
@uummmnocoolnames
Жыл бұрын
@@Error-33 Many countries have 500+ aircraft total - including transports, helicopters, trainers, etc, - but only a handful have more than 200+ fighters, and many have around a hundred or less. So, yes, 4 F-15EXs couldn't technically wipe out an ENTIRE airforce in a single sortie, but they could - again, theoretically -down 50 - 99% of most nations' air to air threat capability, which, for all intents and purposes, means crippling or eliminating an entire airforce. I don't mean to give a literal scenario of what could happen, I just mean to put the EX's mind boggling capabilities into context.
@281cu6
Жыл бұрын
@@uummmnocoolnames They would start fleeing their country like Sadam's air force did after the Wall of Eagles proved to be utterly unstoppable.
@timbaskett6299
Жыл бұрын
Future concept idea: AWACS aircraft replaced with an "ATDACA" (Aiborne Target Designator And Control Aircraft). A low observability airframe with an ASEA radar guiding missiles from a platform, whether atmospheric or orbital. An aerial theater denial weapon.
Day 3 of asking for a YF-23 vs F-22 fight :) Man that missile hit was brutal. The way your plane spun towards the ground was so sad to watch, its like watching a horror movie. No chute, not even a punch out. Must be terrifying to be in the pilots seat, just hearing loud wind and a tumbling aircraft. Great video.
@lord_kerman
Жыл бұрын
YF-23 VS F-22 would be interesting
@PhillipJohnsonphiljo
Жыл бұрын
I think the aircraft flip g-loc'd the pilot so he couldn't eject! Not sure though
@spitfire_flyer5659
Жыл бұрын
@@PhillipJohnsonphiljo that’s exactly what happened
@jzeppy1
Жыл бұрын
@@PhillipJohnsonphiljo And those were negative g's. Watching the replay of the hit was brutal.
Glad you explain as good as you do. I don't play but I love watching your videos. Always interesting.
@jwfromsg9100
Жыл бұрын
Same here. Thanks for your explaination according to the Radar signal. Tha t was new to me.
There was a B1 concept that carried like 80 amraams called the b1r
@christiancoleman3023
Жыл бұрын
@lxRaptorxl B-1-r = B- one-r = Boner
@thunderboltcougar5626
Жыл бұрын
@@christiancoleman3023 🤭🤣🤭🤣
@dr.rockzotrrc3472
Жыл бұрын
@Grimace427 Boner comes hard and fast, dropping its explosive payload deep within enemy territory.
@uummmnocoolnames
Жыл бұрын
@@yujinhikita5611 As far as I know, it was proposed to have 24 or 26 AMRAAMs carried externally on converted hardpoints, as well as bombs carried both internally and externally on remaining unconverted hardpoints. So 24 was a conservative proposal. I imagine though, if you wanted to get crazy, it wouldn't have been too difficult to engineer an internal missile drop/launch system, especially since the B1s still have the mounting points for the rotary launch mechanism for the nukes they were meant to carry initially. At that point, you're only limited by volume on how many AIM-120s you can carry, since the missile only weighs ~350 lbs and the B1 can carry 75,000 lbs internally.
@uummmnocoolnames
Жыл бұрын
@stanger427 More importantly than super-cruise, when it comes to launching AMRAAMs at least, it had a proposed top speed of Mach 2.2, so faster than an F-16.
There was once talk about turning the bone into a missile truck.. the B1-R IIRC. :)
@DSOImager
Жыл бұрын
@@johnwurfel2862 🤣
@birddt3
Жыл бұрын
Years ago there was a history channel animation that show cased that very thing. I'm sure it's on yt somewhere.
@DSOImager
Жыл бұрын
@@birddt3 Yep.. I think that's where I first saw it. The idea seemed to pop up every few years.
Datalink tip was 💯. I’d love if you could incorporate more of these bits of info in future videos. As always thanks GS
A lot of us here appreciated the RWR symbology. Definitely explain this from time to time when you're flying different aircraft! You do an amazing job explaining things.
@wurfyy
Жыл бұрын
That wasn't RWR, that was datalink.
"How many AMRAAMs do you need?" "Yes."
Every single Amraam (except for the second to last one he fired) was so utterly lost, it's almost like they interpreted "lock on to that J-11" to mean " target mainland China"!
McDonnell Douglas : "We made the Eagle-II as you requested, so how many missiles-" USAF : "Y E S"
Thanks for going over the different acronyms and screens and indicators. I’ve only been subbed for a couple months and have been wondering what some of those things mean but frequently forget to google them! It’s been fun to see the channel continuing to grow and I know us newer folks appreciate it!
Appreciated the datalink quick explainer! When you take the time to say these things they always feel appropriately timed and intermittent.
The ex is just gonna make the f15 kill ratio even more ridiculous
The additional information about the datalink display and the HUD were very informative. Please keep doing that.
3:03 I believe you're thinking of the 'Rapid Dragon' program, which is an effort to palletize and airdrop cruise missiles (ex JASSM) from cargo heavies (C-130 family, C-17, C-5). Not sure if there's any air-to-air missiles planned for that capability, but it's still a pretty cool project.
@danielberger1378
Жыл бұрын
There was a project for the B-1 to be carrying air-to-air weapons... Got canceled though
There's also the B-1R. Basically a B-1 Lancer modified for a missile truck role. And yes I first know of it from History Channel's Dogfights
@dti1312
Жыл бұрын
No way whoever called it that didn't want pilots calling it the Boner.
@danielberger1378
Жыл бұрын
@@dti1312 "Which aircraft do you fly?" "I fly the Boner" "You do WHAT...?" 🤣
I'm surprised the eagle wasn't dumping more amraams at you. He had PLENTY to spare.
Regarding 3:10, the B-1R variant of the Lancer was supposed to have an AESA radar and the capability to field air-to-air missiles, along with more powerful turbojets for Mach 2 flight. I think the estimate was around 50ish AMRAAMs, if you can believe that
Speaking of missile trucks, I think a modified B1 could do the trick: it's got room for the payload and also the speeds, since it is supersonic
You should try to test the F-22 with 28 aim-120s like the USAF did for a training exercise recently.
I really appreciate the explanation of the datalink, as a persons who doesn’t have DCS and doesn’t know much about it, its really fun to learn parts of the cockpit as well.
I don't know of any fighter pilot that wouldn't have second thoughts trying to contest the skies with bomb truck Eagles and F22s slinking about.....lol
I dont know a lot of things about DCS since I dont play. I just enjoy watching you. Thanks for explaining things!
He nailed you the moment you recommitted and he turned at the last minute which enabled him to defeat your PL-10. You may've had a chance of winning if you sent one of your PL-15s at his AWACS. His SA would've been degraded into the ground. Oh well, great video.
thanks for the datalink clearcut explanation! your videos are always fantastic and still somehow always improving. well done!
I don’t play DCS, why it was odd your video came up. Never looked for fighter jets or anything of the sorts. But was interesting video and been a subscriber ever since. Enjoy these videos & keep up until good work
@ballparkjebusite
Жыл бұрын
Same. Aside from playing early F-16 Falcon and F-15 sims in the late 90s, I’ll probably never have the time again for it. Still, I watch every video GS releases.
Explaining how things work really helps me understand what exactly is going on since I don't play DCS much, but I do enjoy these videos and their breakdowns.
First time anyone has explained how to read the symbols in the radar Datalink and I've been watching DCS content for +3years. Thank you much appreciated.
F15 is an amazing jet, probably was the best example of air supremacy for nearly years and is still a top 5 fighter in the world today. What's scary is the f22 mopped the floor w several F 15s few years back
@the_blue_truck
Жыл бұрын
I’ve seen the F15 and F22 fly demos back-to-back. You see the -15 and you go man that’s cool-- then you watch the -22 do the same things the -15 does, and also just the most impossible things you’ve ever seen-and it’s just observably on a different magnitude.
@TwistLosi
Жыл бұрын
@@the_blue_truck As good as the F-22 is to watch at a live demo I still prefer high energy displays from jets.
@the_blue_truck
Жыл бұрын
@@TwistLosi the B-1B is fun to watch 😉
Glad you explained the data link display took only a few seconds but was straight forward 💯
You can never have enough amraams
No, thank you for that initial screen orientation! It does help those of us who enjoy watching your videos. Keep 'em coming!
I think it'd be cool if you did more dogfights against unknown enemies
Thanks for explaining how to read the instruments lol it really makes a huge difference!
Actually they had plans to turn the B-1 into a missile truck. Look up the B-1R program
@vonpredator
Жыл бұрын
Ah yes the BOneR. 😂
I was so distracted with the flight path, data link and HUD activity that I jumped when that AMRAAM made contact. That was ridiculous.. made me laugh.
I've watched A LOT of your videos, maybe I missed it, but this is the first time I've heard an explanation of the data link symbols. I think people would prefer to hear things repeated for sake of making sure everyone else is up to par on knowledge so don't ever feel like you're repeating information, it's much appreciated!
"C-130s just dropping AMRAAMs outta the back" - hilarious image!
Thank you so much for showing how to read the datalink I just downloaded dcs I've been watching your vids for so long and can't wait to get into the f16!
Thank you so much for the explanation on the Data Link. Never knew what the symbology was beyond friend/foe.
1:31..I heard this was a safe space, so ill admit I too didn't know how to read a datalink. Thank you for that explanation.
Thank you for the tutorials I am one of the new guys you speak of! I now know how to read the data link :D my journey on DCS has been a long one so far
Hey I didn't know how to read a data link so thanks for that. I'm a fan of yours because you entertain and teach.
Thx for amazing info. new here trying to get this game to work.
3:30 There was the C-130 Idea, then there was the B-1R, which took the missile truck concept to the extreme.
Thank you for explaining the radar v for the newbs. Appreciated
I *live* for these kind of videos. Thank you, GS.
I hope this channel and these videos never stop.
13:36 I have to say that caught me as a surprise and scared me a little bit :D
Omg I’ve never been able to read data link. More random tidbits in your episodes would be amazing like readying the display or HUD
Thank you for explaining the Data Link, I don't play but watch the channel all the time.
This gives the Hornets SPAMRAAM loadout a run for its money
@datutturugang666
Жыл бұрын
same technique
I didn't know how to read the data link info, so Thank You! 👍🏽Given
I do appreciate the information about the altitude and speed on datalink because I am a curious lurker and don't even know these things. I hear sounds and always wonder what am I hearing as well. Would love to know.
From theF-15's victory roll at the end, looked like 6 missiles still left on the rails, so 10 launched for 1 hit . Looks like the normal outfit of 8 AMRAAMS would not be enough for 1 kill against an experienced & capable pilot.
@edwardmiller4562
Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily, considering this is a sim.
How did you get so smart GS? The commentary is excellent and the reason why I only what your channel(s). Thanks. This fighter nerd is most appreciative.
Thanks for the tip about data link!
I wondered why the screen went black when you got hit - a butt-load of G's when your plane augured in. I like these chess match styled vids.
Ah yes SpAMRAM configuration... love to see it
The EX is primarily a replacement for the 15C ANG units. It’s not slated for use in offensive operations, unless it’s one where air superiority has already been attained. Compared to the F-35A, it’s cheaper per flight hour and requires significantly less maintenance. The 35A is wasted as a defensive platform. The high AMRAAM requirement serves the defensive role well, as any large scale aggressive action will see many enemy aircraft attacking at once. Once the new long range AA missile program is complete, the Eagle II will serve an even greater role in defensive operations. Carrying more missiles further degrades its stealth effectiveness, and it’s not designed to have much in that regard. The primary issue with the ANG units is that they are past due for retirement, with many at the end or even past their suitable EOL.
The mighty F-15 still has teeth. More than ever.
Theyve been working on equipping big boys with *defensive weapons, missiles, since way back. My dad was ordinance tech in the AF in Vietnam, they were working hard on missile mountings and function on buffs.
Would love to see a modernized f111 as a dedicated missile truck. Pair it up with modernized f5s for the airforce on a budget. Love to see how it plays out.
@JRGProjects
11 ай бұрын
Picture this: A Modern F-4J Phantom Missile Truck. The Phantom lacked a gun so it would be fitting as a missile truck. The WSO deploys the missiles. Also the F-4J is still one the fastest platforms out there. It could be on station in a heart beat leaving the dogfighting to the F-15s or F-22s. The Navy could also use the F-4J Missle Truck on their platforms for the F/A-18, F-35C, Growler or Marine Corps F/A-18C or Harriers.
2:00 how long have I been maining this goddamn jet NOT knowing this!? THANK YOU
There is a History Channel program called "Dogfights of the Future that speculated that The USAF could employ B1B's as missile trucks firing at a distance being assisted by F22 Raptors acting as Forward Observers
Thank you for explaining the data link. Yes I'm new!
According to Wikipedia, Cost of Aim-120 = 1 Million Cost of J-11 = 19 million I think he fired like 10 missiles?
@hecunt3633
Жыл бұрын
Why I don't have muh universal 'ealthcare
Thanks for all the explanations - newby!
Excellent play GS, Hard luck I would say especially on that last PL-8 near miss.
Thank you for the explanations
Super helpful explanation of the data link!
I’ve been watching for at least a year and just learned how to read data link 😂😂
Thank you for explaining datalink. ✌🏾
Great video by you again and I think if it was 3 more J11 when you get to the MAR they would be dead also thanks again for making this video and thanks to F15x
Thanks for the datalink explanation.
GS as usual)) Evrth is ok, just flying... Boom!!!
Wow the way that missile changed course at 10:00 looked like it almost got returned to sender! Has that ever happened?
Thanks again for another great video, in the final footage, how many missiles did the 15 have left?
Awesome! Do some carrier ops too! Or maybe some anti-ship
I don’t even play DCS but I love the channel great work huge fan!
One interesting thing I heard of a quite a while ago was a B-1B bomber renamed as B-1R and it would be a missile truck not sure what ever happened to that idea
Not new to the channel but thank you very much for explaining the symbology of the Russian radar scope...! Useful information is always useful.....
Thanks for the data link tut. ✌️
"Being generous with the AMRAAMs" Eagle Driver: "Air Force ain't paying me to bring em back!"
"Somebody has to die here today" Me: "I'm glad it's not me" RWR sounds in my head OH NO
im new to dcs and i love how you explain
About using planes other than fighters as missile trucks for AMRAAMs... it wasn't C-130s. It was the B-1B that was being looked at. Think about it: a supersonic capable heavy bomber carrying a couple hundred of those missiles being guided in via datalink/F-22s plus the weapons the Raptors are carrying themselves.
I do appreciate you explaining the data link. I've watched many of you videos and never understand what your gauges or radar are saying. "Got him on radar" and I'm like, where? Not sure what I'm looking at because to my untrained eye, nothing from the view of the cockpit changed.
That's one vicious missile truck.
13:35 "UNEXPECTED LIKE A MIXTAPE!"- Hmm by Hot Headzz
Yooo thanks for explaining the data link, didnt know
Thanks for explaining how to read datalink!!
I always love your videos!!