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For the Hydrow and the Concept 2 you were in a confined space with a wall to your left. In those cases your measurements include sound that reverberated off the wall. You used the WaterRower in an open area so the reverberation is minimal. I wonder how much of a difference that makes.

@andyg9991

3 жыл бұрын

It will make a huge difference, although the C2 on carpet will reduce the effect somewhat. While I appreciate the effort, this vid is a very general guide at best as each rower was tested in different conditions. For it to be valid test, each rower would need to be tested under identical conditions

@burritoplex8402

2 жыл бұрын

In theory placing the rower against a wall would add 6db because you're going from half space (2pi) to quarter space (1pi) radiation. That assumes the noise source is precisely in the corner, which it is not. Because of the proximity of the walls and ceiling I would guess the error is at least 6db. That said, this is still a nice video and a good channel.

@Nice-music585

Жыл бұрын

Major difference!

Thanks. Hearing the differences in *how* they sound, not just how loud, was useful!

Awwwww you nerded out on my suggestion! 🤩🤓 You da best, Austin! 👨‍🏫🚣🏻‍♂️⚗️🔊📈

I just got the concept2 rowerg last week and I love the workouts I am getting and your videos have helped so much! as for how loud it is I find the sound of the rower to be very soothing and meditative! even when pushing hard it helps me get in a rhythmic pace. loving everything about the works outs and the machine so far!

Great video. At first I kind of regretted not getting a hydrow, but after hearing it; man regardless of the volume, that's a pretty obnoxious sound. I wish there was more resistance with my WaterRower but I'll gladly take the pleasing water sound over that.

I picked up a "Stamina InMotion Rower" that was offered for free on the sidewalk a few weeks ago - literally biked off with it in one arm (27 lbs). It as quiet as a cat purr when rowing, but functionally is way out-classed by the machines you tested. I'll probably be on the market for a real rower someday, so thanks for the review!

I'm looking into getting the Concept 2 but obviously wouldn't work for a small space apartment with very thin walls. This video is underrated...Thank you!

Very useful video. Great job.

I just got the new Concept 2 RowERG W w/tall legs, and I breath louder than it. Super quiet.

Great idea! I recently bought a pro form 750r which I'm really starting to like. I think it's quieter than the concept 2.

Interesting to me was not just the decibel level for each, but the frequency levels. The hydrow and concept 2 had a more penetrating pitch that the water row. The display on your phone actually showed the water row had noticeably flatter pitch than the other two models. I think that would make the water row more family friendly if using it in adjoining rooms of home.

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree!

@Woot-Zee

2 жыл бұрын

What do you mean by "penetrating sound"? The lower frequencies are more penetrating than higher frequency. From what I see, C2 has the highest frequency. Which is not going to penetrate brick or concrete as easily as lower frequency. TBH, I think that if you decouple it from the ground and have a little bit of fabrics in the room the sound is reduced quite a bit. www.technature.ca/acoustics-101/sound-absorption-coefficients/

@hellobooom

Жыл бұрын

Negative.

Great review! I love seeing the stats. I personally hate the sound of the hydro, and love the sound of the sloshing water. Concept II is what it is....

I did wonder what app you used? Unless you calibrated it, I imagine the comparison is of relative changes in decibel level as opposed to an absolute value - that said, it is still really interesting to see the comparison. I do constantly wonder if my downstairs neighbour can hear me rowing but don't want to ask them as that might just make them try to focus on hearing it and causing an issue where there really isn't one!

Thanks for this Video!!!!!!

Thanks for the information! What would you guess a magnetic rowing machine result would be around? For me this type of issue is my nr1 concern and prio.

I use the concept 2 in an apartment. I can't see the air sound going through the walls unless your walls are super thin(more low end bass and vibration make it through walls) and it doesn't make much vibration, but I do have the contact points with the floor on 1" foam + yoga mat similar to your setup. I've had no complaints and I only use it for about 45 minutes between 6-9pm anyways so even if neighbors do hear it it's for a short time and waking no one up as it's in my living room. Even if neighbors could make out the sound I'd say it's not annoying or offensive and kind of like a white noise machine so I think they'd tolerate it. Having said all that I wouldn't hesitate buying one for an apartment if you have the room for it.

@jaredcampbell

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this comment, I am looking at the concept 2 for my apartment and was concerned about the noise bothering my neighbours. I think I've been worried about nothing. Thanks again.

@shaahin6818

Жыл бұрын

@@jaredcampbell did you get it?

@jaredcampbell

Жыл бұрын

@@shaahin6818 Yes I did and I have had no complaints from my neighbours.

@shaahin6818

Жыл бұрын

@@jaredcampbell thank you. The last concept2 is gone here at Amazon, so either I have to buy from another retailer or go with Nordic. I am still searching

@katierhody4197

Жыл бұрын

@@jaredcampbell do you think it would be audible from the apartment below in a building with wood floors?

It's funny, cranking up the 90s Techno during my sessions, makes my C2 pretty silent ;-)

@steelsteez6118

2 жыл бұрын

And how exactly does that make it any more silent for the the people around you? Oh that's right, I forgot, people are so self centered they only think about how things affect them. My bad.

@hellobooom

Жыл бұрын

@@steelsteez6118 have you calmed down a year later?

Does the noise level related to the damper setting? The higher damper setting, and the noise is louder? Just wondering, if we set damper to 5, how much decibel it could be? Is that much better?

I know I'm a year late viewing this video, but I wanted to leave a comment that might help someone deciding which machine to buy. I'm a professional sound engineer, and a new Concept 2 owner. And I love your channel and 'concepts' and training tips for rowing. The test is very good except for one thing that strongly influences the percieved sound level and that is proximity to walls and closed spaces. It appears two of your machines are in the same space and would seems to exhibit a fair comparison. The water rower being out in a large gym type space would have less proximity loudness even though the DB meter is the same distance. But the real thing that surprised me the most is the actual sound of the C2 in your environment. Mine doesn't sound anything like that and is almost whisper quiet. But I do have it in a larger room with curtains, which will dampen sound as well. Even at Max Effort it's not close to that kind of washy almost watery sound. It's a clean wind sound that is not very loud. I'm not it's better or worse, just pointing out that it is highly reliant on proximity to walls and what they are made of. I am going to do a DB test on my C2 because my curiosity has been peaked. Keep up the great channel!!

@Mattjonesll

Жыл бұрын

So is the concept 2 not as loud as this video makes out.. I literally ordered mine a few days ago still waiting & really hope it’s not too loud 😂

@eheheh3263

Жыл бұрын

Would the C2 be a good idea for someone who lives in a apartment? I really want the C2 but not sure about the noise, I don’t want my neighbors to hate me

@ddkim619

Жыл бұрын

Would love to know this guys response as well but seems like he doesn't check his phone too often. I have a hydrow but was considering whether or not to switch to C2

@azophi

Жыл бұрын

@@Mattjonesll it’s pretty loud Now if you’ve ever used an RP3 THAT makes a concept2 sound like a pin drop

@LarsTore

9 ай бұрын

And how would the vibration noise affect people in the room below etc?

So useful! Both the "scientific" test and the "neighbor" test as well :)

Great content! I’d love a water rower but am on the second floor of an apartment building. Because of how the apartment is setup, I don’t have neighbors touching on the sides (yay!). I’m more worried about the noise generated for my downstairs neighbors. Would the rolling sound like a bowling alley is above them?

Are there differences in noise levels of the water rowers? I've seen a video of the Sunny Obsedian Surge and it seems quieter than the Water Rower so more apartment friendly.

Great video

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ryan!

Hey Austin, Quick question for you. I just bought a brand new Concept 2 Model D rower and I absolutely love it! Upon using it I noticed there are nylon shavings coming from the seat rollers. Is this normal?

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

SO glad you like it! Not sure about the shavings though! That doesn't sound normal!

I have tinnitus.... water rower it is!!! Thank you for the comparison.

Cool video thanks. Some notes around those sound profiles - taking the average dB is not what counts since that's not what our ears are going to do. We are especially sensitive to spikey noise - our brains can filter out noise with a consistent pitch and volume but intermittent spikes (like rowing) is hard to filter out.

Decibel is one thing, but the quality or frequencies also makes a difference. The hydrow generates lower frequencies while the water rower generates more higher frequencies.

@rolandrohde

Жыл бұрын

True, but the sound of both the Hydrow and the Concept 2 seemed far more annoying to my ears than the water rower. I have a water rower (dofferent brand) at home and use it in a small room, and it is pretty quiet. A Concept 2 would be unbearable in those conditions.

Would you be able to show the sounds for a nordic track 900 please?

Thank you Austin for another great video with practical information. I wonder if it would be worthwhile to normalize the decibels per wattage. Can you divulge what was your wattage (as reported by each machine) for each one of these efforts?

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

The issue, unfortunately is that watts are not tracked accurately across the machines. For example, 1000 watts on Concept 2 is usually reported around 850 watts on WaterRower. More frustrations... haha

@Rationalegoist

3 жыл бұрын

@@trainingtall That is what I am expecting. I ask to gauge how much longer it would take me to row 2km or 5km in the Hydrow than in the C2 or the WR.

Is there a quiet magnetic machine that you recommend? Which water machine do you recommend? Thank you

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

I still have had no issues with noise from the Hydrow, personally - but most magnetic rowers create a similar sound id say

Water Rower for the win, which is why I have one. I live in an apartment building and work out in the early am. Loud machines are not appreciated when most people are still sleeping. Also, the sound of the water is just soothing.

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate you sharing your insight! Glad you love your WR!

@moniquerich4340

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome,what model did you go with,have you ever used a Concept D to compare? Any major difference noticed?

C2 is love, C2 is life

Is there really no way to muffle the sound of the C2? Like maybe a box around it or something? I really want to buy it but the sound could be a problem.

@amywestbrook5693

2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering g the same. Like using noise dampening tiles or a box with tiles?

Does the Hydrow actually make that high-pitched squeal like in the video or is it some type of audio recording effect? Isn’t magnetic supposed to be quieter than water, as also claimed by Hydrow itself? Your test suggests that Hydrow is actually slightly worse than water.

What app did you use ? I have a magnetic rower and I have the impression that mine is a LOT quieter than the hydrow. I’d like to measure (I am not a huge fan of the magnetic but I thought my neighbors would not love a concept). Actually when I row I can listen to podcasts on my desk loudspeakers, no need to blast the volume or to wear headphones.

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

Most magnetic rowers are a lot quieter than Hydrow - but that's because Hydrow's electromagnetic system is best one out there for creating steady resistance AND having a wide range of drag factors!

@cedricbrouste3112

3 жыл бұрын

@@trainingtall on mine the force is absolutely not dependent on how you execute the move, the length of the pull... frustrating but sufficient for a good sweat after another day of working from home. I just checked. Without background music and the phone about a meter (team metric !) next to the rotor and rowing an easy effort, it did not go above 60db. Really quiet.

Concept 2 is like a jet engine. If you live in an apartment, it's a no-go. I bought a magnetic rower and I'm very satisfied. 🥳

@moniquerich4340

3 жыл бұрын

Which model did u go with? Have you used a Concept D to compare? Thank u.

@blaise3711

3 жыл бұрын

@@moniquerich4340 Kettler Regatta 300 (kettlersport.com/de-ch/rudergeraete/regatta-300/). I ordered it from Poland, some shop had the best price, 800 Euros. It was developed by professional rowers. Build quality is fantastic. And it's almost inaudible! 😀

@dorkusamericanus

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on how much you hate your downstairs neighbor. Mine has a bird deterrent that has given me migraines. So I want the loudest rowing machine possible

@hellobooom

Жыл бұрын

People overestimate how loud the Concept2 is. Not all frequencies are equal, you could play a 15khz tone at 100db and your neighbors wouldn't hear anything.

It is important to remember that an increase of 10 decibel is perceived as a doubling of sound level. So a Concept 2 is essentially over twice as loud as a WaterRower.

I hate my downstairs neighbor and want to get the loudest rowing machine possible. This will motivate me to get into awesome shape. This one seems loud, but I need recommendations for the loudest one on the market. Thanks!

@eheheh3263

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

The c2 makes a high pitch sound... maybe some sound deadening room treatments would help?

I actually chose the Concept 2 because of the loudness. It just feels so motivating to generate that much sound with each stroke. It means you're really rowing with power.

@duderRechthat

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed! I hear a lot of people saying that one of the positives of the waterrower is that it creates a relaxing sound... As if cardio and power training is done to relax

@williambergmann641

2 жыл бұрын

@@duderRechthat It creates the vibe of... being on the water? IDK, I do a lot of runs/rows where it's more about getting in a zone and staying there, and it is hugely relaxing.

I appreciate that you did this video. I was actually curious now how noisy indoor rowers can be in an apartment. I have an extra bedroom that I want to convert into a workout room and I have room for a rower. I used the concept 2 in my gym, and my biggest concern is the difference between air resistance and magnetic. I have the impression that magnetic resistance does not feel natural, or whatever that means. What is your opinion between air resistance and magnetic resistance?

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

Magnetic resistance on MOST machines is TRASH. But on the Hydrow, it feels AMAZING. My favorite feeling stroke so far

Frequency is important. The Hydrow creates most of its noise in the 1-3khz range where the ear is more sensitive. The water rower is very low frequency and lowest dB, making a very unobtrusive "noise" combination. But the ergonomics of the Water rower don't look right with the seat in the same plane as the foot pedals.

@MrOlfie69

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, agree. The howling from the Hydro is more intrusive then the windmill sound from the C2. Think if you stand in the neighbors room, you will hear the Hydro and not the C2. The lower frequency travels further. Living in a country where people like to pimp their cars with big exhausts. It is not the problem when they have high revs, but when they run stationary, the low frequency can travel much more further and is much more intrusive to the ear. C2 wins. If i do my workout upstairs (C2) , nobody downstairs is hearing me. Really, this noise topic on the C2 is a non issue. To much hyped on this moment.

@DPAFLESHER

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrOlfie69 from my experience, definitely can't hear the Hydrow in the next room. For me, if I have headphones in, I have to have them much louder using a concept 2 to hear the music vs my Hydrow

@MrOlfie69

3 жыл бұрын

@@DPAFLESHER That is a good comparison haha. I dont have the Hydro, so i believe you, Hydrow wins. Saw your comment above, yes youtube sound is maybe distorted.

@dragoniv

3 жыл бұрын

Look again at each machine regarding the foot pedals. Specifically, match the toe strap to the seat cushion top. They're the same on all three.

@nyballer31

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting but it contradicts alot of the other reviews that say the Hydrow is by far quietest option.

I've used the Concept 2 in the gym where the ambient noise level was such that it was hard to get a handle on how 'loud' it was. I live in a flat (what Americans call an apartment) and its pretty clear that my neighbour below me will not be happy should I buy one for home use, not least since my preferred workout time is first thing 6 am. Bit of a bummer but on the upside my bank account will thank me for not doing so!

You forgot Matrix Rower? Do you think the waterrower is better than Matrix? I wanted to get a Matrix but there are WR clones available for around 500€. I don't like it loud but the C2 has the best sound and a really nice feeling. This is the only rower I know at the moment. They had it at my studio.

Waterrower + Kinomap = total zen :)

Great vid. Thank you sir! I just can’t get over the sound of the hydrow. It’s just unnatural to me and kind of annoying. I’ll keep my spot on the C2 waiting list.

@DPAFLESHER

3 жыл бұрын

It definitely sounds annoying over KZread, but I think the recording and playback distorts it a bit. Like it gets the general sense of it but for me it isn't as annoying in person.

Great test. dB is one way to measure sound power. Also something should be considered is the type of sound. A mosquito flying around you and a electric car driving pass you may have the same dB, but the quality of sound are different.

@plmn93

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I thought the Concept 2 sounded a lot louder than the decibels indicated, even given the scale, which probably is due to the pitch and more constant nature of the noise.

Hydro: fire engine Concept2: hornets nest Water: water

any opinion on the BodyCraft VR500 Rower?

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

Haven't tried it!

That C2 sounded like a get enjine. I tried it in store and its not that loud. Probably because of the small room.

Hey Austin, have you ever used a Concept2 Model B machines? I know they're older but I wonder how they compare to the modern ones. There's one available on craigslist near me asking for $300 and I'm considering making an offer. I feel like it would still be a better machine than that Sunny rower for instance, which is about the same price

@matthewbohn3996

3 жыл бұрын

Concept 2 still supports their older models. I would think that is still a wise investment

@TheJunky228

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewbohn3996 I've been looking to see how it compared to their more modern machines, and I've found it tough to find much info to that aspect of them

@bigedslobotomy

Жыл бұрын

I’ve used a model B, and I think functionally, they’re pretty much the same (except the monitor). I think the Model C and D’s are supposed to be much quieter, but if I could find a model B, I’d jump on it! Sorry. I just realized, I’m 2 YEARS late to this discussion!

Useful video. To me the Concept 2 sounds the most like brown noise frequency-wise and has the most even sound amplitude and is therefore the least offensive qualitatively, but quantitatively... it's friggin' loud isn't it.

Do you cover actually rowing a boat......on the water??😁

Interesting! The water rower sounds nice and smooth. Unfortunately I've never like the rowing feel of these . The C2 is loud, no surprise here. But the in between Hydrow sounds like a UFO. It is very annoying to my ears. Thanks for the experience. In the end, the music in my earbuds while training will always be louder than any of the sound these rowers could produce 🎵😉💪!

Austin you looking so amazing and caaaancept 2 ohhhh myyy lord 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭

what about magnetic rowers?

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

Hydrow is magnetic

I would like to add... the water sound is allot more pleasant... then that turbine concept 2.

I cant see this comparable for the water, as the wall changes the level your gonna pick up with that mic...

Aside from sound level, the quality of noise matters. Water rower sounds to me like someone is having a hard time flushing. Hydrow is a surprising whirling noise like a baby air raid siren. The concept 2 just sounds like every gym in the world. Whooshhhhh!

Quiet, Serene, peaceful rowing is where it's at for me. Bought a FIRST DEGREE FITNESS AUTHENTIC WATER ROWER MONACO CHALLENGE AR about 5 years ago. Smooth. Quiet. Stable. Been on many rowers in many gyms, hotels, etc. This is the best one for me.

Hate to say it, but you have to eliminate the water rower because it was tested with significantly different acoustics given you tested it in a considerably more open space without those three close walls to bounce and reflect more sound into the phone. The walls are so close in your room that acoustically it could be compared to a symphony hall resonating sound all the sound towards the audience. Think of it kind of like holding your phone closer and closer to your ear.

Separating out the specific parts and tools for each of the seven step assembly process steps was brilliant on the part of the manufacturer. For the price, I am impressed at how sturdy this kzread.infoUgkxvObaTzoHoHQLL4lHbJQmExHqsrZQm-f7 unit is and it does go together easily. Well, I was puzzled at first at Step 5 and maybe the instructions should mention that rail #62 needs to be tilted upwards a little to get the rail to fit into the main part #44. I like it that the rower can be stored vertically in a really small amount of space, but be forewarned that this rower is top heavy and for safety you'll need at least two bungee cords to keep the unit upright, attaching them to something; in my case to a third garage door. I have had this unit only a short time, and I will post an update once I've had it for a year. As for working your legs, I have to admit that I'm mainly rowing for upper body strength and I use other forms of exercise for leg strength (like walking fast, biking, or using a trampoline. But if you pull as far forward as possible, then you can give preference to your legs for the first 4 feet or so of travel. I also admit to not taking the two electronic connectors apart at Step 7. I simply inserted the two batteries while the other parts remained connected. By the way, there is plenty of resistance here, even in the lowest resistance settings. Kudos to Sunny Health & Fitness !

3:07

Good video, but I still feel the Concept2 feels a hell of a lot louder than the waterrower, not just twice as loud. Maybe it's the type of place I used it the waterrower is used in a larger room. Now I can can hear the TV 😄

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

It’s just damn loud that’s for sure!

@Moleek7CZE

3 жыл бұрын

Probably because Concept2 had higher amount of high frequencies. It was almost white noise. Water rower was more in lows and mids which isn't that unconfortable for human ears.

I keep my concept 2 noise down by rowing slow.

@C.Church

3 жыл бұрын

I keep my noise down by just rowing casually out on the pond then enjoy some sandwiches, then maybe maybe a nap? Finally, , much later, lazily row back.

Is the Concept2 RowErg so loud that you can't comfortably listen to earbuds or a headset? Thanks to all, especially if you do use them.

@Holmdharme

5 ай бұрын

I have a c2 and can easily listen to music or even watch videos with talking without any problem. The noise isn't that bad imo.

To me it's more about tone. The Hydro would would be a definite no. The Ergatta would make me have to go to the bathroom.

Water rower 💯 winner.

I would love to see this made with a proper sound meter. :) Not an app. :)

@sgnirts1010

19 күн бұрын

decibel meter apps are all over the place, not to be trusted, for entertainment purposes only. Any $99 actual DB meter is way better. Phones have frequencies chopped out from their mic for better speech, and likely why the hydro was "quieter" at higher intensity, it was likely an attenuated frequency on the phone.

A lot of slack in the hydro at the start of the stroke. Don't like the sound of either of the first two. Never ever bothered me at the gym (which I quit because the "muscle heads" wouldn't wear masks, or wash their hands after using the bathroom). Will keep my Nov spot on the list thank you very much.

Come on Austin. When are you going to slip into some speedos for us?

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

dogmannz go check out my OnlyFans!

Thank you for not talking during the demonstration ❤

7:10 WW = Water Wrower? heh

Boy, there's the numerical comparison, and then there's the qualitative comparison of the sound. The Hydrow may be quieter than a C2 but is to my ears just super unpleasant as a sound.

For someone who likes to watch netflix/youtube contents during sessions, I chose the hydrow.

ace ventura rrowerman

Looks like a younger Jim Carrey and I was so tickled!

I am 176 cm and 72 kilograms...and i can go with 22 strokes and 1:38....

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

NICE!

I REALLY want to get a Concept 2, but I guess that isn't going to happen. 😟

@lararabkin9146

3 жыл бұрын

Just bought mine on eBay for about $750!

I'd take the louder C2 sound over the whining Hydrow any day... but still the WR over the C2. Whatever the C2's strengths vs the WR the noise is a dealbreaker.

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

Many would agree!

...plot twist...Dyson Rower 2023..... 🤫

80dB are 10x 70dB not 2x.

Too bad they can't put a muffler on these things.

Concept 2 is a clear winner, followed by the water rower. The Hydrow just sounds terrible. Reminds me of a vacuum cleaner.

@Bigheadedwon

3 жыл бұрын

It won for loudest, that’s not exactly something where winning would be a good thing

We're not gonna talk about how his underwear matches his headband? Really?

So I'll need sound dampenning in either way. And no water rowers. Yeesh. My neighbors will drown me in a nearest puddle.

concept 2 loud

hii first

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

Hey! Thanks for watching!

Hydrow sounds like dying robot, what an awful sound, I mean it looks like a damn Tesla but sounds rough

All very noisy...

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

WaterRower is definitely the quietest!

@PEROTTIX

3 жыл бұрын

Training Tall thanks for your videos. They really help people understand the reality. I am a biginner and I was looking at Concept 2 as in many aspects represents the “gold standard”. The noise part killed my desire somehow 😀I might look for a cheaper and silent alternative and look back at one of these 3 in case rowing becomes a passion 😃

Your method of testing is wrong!

Very poorly executed comparison. Recording a sound source beside a wall in a confined space vs recording a sound source in a very open space. Test is null and void.

Too much talk.

@trainingtall

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry but knowledge is power my friend

@kellydavis4330

3 жыл бұрын

Karen came for the soothing sound of the waterrower but you just kept talking like someone getting an emergency call at the movie theater to find out all of their loved ones were onboard a downed commercial airliner that was hijacked by Karenationalist while en route from Karenstien. Thanks Karen.

@Shelsight

3 жыл бұрын

Go find yourself a silent rowing channel that tells you nothing and imparts no information. Grow up.