I have to say, I read Sulloway's book on birth order, and in my local family, I was the youngest of 3 boys, and sure enough, I'm the comedian, rejected religious dogma, learned music, dancing, martial arts, you name it. When I think about it, it was my way of diversifying my portfolio, to deal with my sibship position. A pair of "brass knuckles" in the back pocket. It really blows me away.

Thanks for allowing this episode to be longer than usual Michael! Darwin and evolution require all the time they can get because there is still a lot to unpack there. I also enjoyed a lot the discussion on personality. Especially the importance and impact of small differences.

Sixteen minutes in, and it seems more like Mr. Sulloway is inclined to boast about himself and his family. At first consideration, some of what he says (and in some fairness, he's being guided through this discussion by Shermer) is indeed relevant. But he seems to wander off talking about himself rather than addressing, in a scholarly way, Shermer's queries. Maybe I'm just daft, but compared to many other of Shermer's discussions, this one is not worth the time. Oh well. If all the smart people whose podcasts I follow, I've never yet seen podcasters in every case get a guest who is worth interviewing.. And this is no knock against Sulloway. This is just not a very productive discussion.

@keithbertschin1213

2 жыл бұрын

100% agreement, annoying listening, like the guy we’ve all been at a dinner party with! Academics are by nature usually very modest.

What a wonderful discussion. Thanks.

Absolutely brilliant thanks gents. Michael I agree with your comment near the end that this is the one of the most fascinating conversation you’ve had. That’s saying a lot because so many of your conversations are great. I rate this as your best ever👍👍

A fascinating discussion! Listened to it at one go, a first for me, didn't notice the time fly. And I am neither a biologist, geneticist, or an ornithologist. Thank you.

I personally don't believe in free will, like Sam Harris. About Frank's brother who failed French & is now fluent in several languages, I think it's because of his girlfriends. So it wasn't because of his teacher / education system. I myself was never interested in Turkish at all, never even crossed my mind. Until I had a celebrity crush that motivated me to learn it! 😂 Now I understand Turkish (not fluent, but enough to watch a tv show without subtitles). And guess what, now I'm learning Swedish because of another crush. Without them, I wouldn't have been interested at all 😂

@DavidSmith-oy4of

2 жыл бұрын

People like Michael don't like the no free will thing. They need to redefine it to something else and confuse the issue. Sam Harris cornered Dan Denette on this years ago but didn't push too hard because they were friends. But then again what do you expect from a channel with this name yet embraces systems that generate inequality.

i love your podcasts so much💯

I'm 1hr 25 mins in and still left wondering what is it that Frank Sulloway is really interested in. What are his main research questions, why did he choose them, and why are these important lines of inquiry? Why should we care about this subject? Unsure whether to persevere for another 1hr 20mins... Michael: you could do a much better job of framing and focusing these interviews / conversations. I'm not just saying this because this video is nearly 3hrs long. I think it applies to many episodes.

@Jon-hg5lz

2 жыл бұрын

What would you expect from a discussion with a man with a long career and that is also a personal friend of the interviewer? Life is not a neatly structured narrative.

@mjinba07

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and 30 minutes of Sulloway's insights about his own personality and biography may have been satisfying for Shermer given their friendship, and understanding that Sulloway leans towards excessive conscientiousness, as viewer at that point I'm wondering when are we going to get to the subject matter. And then I found I don't really need every corner of an idea fleshed out, so I only gave the talk another 10 minutes, as interesting as the topic promised to be. Sorry, Mr. Shermer.

@daignat

2 жыл бұрын

Leave it...not worth your time

@buddyrichable1

2 жыл бұрын

It’s quite obvious to me what Sulloway is interested in…..Frank Sulloway. Half an hour in and they haven’t even broached the topic.

That was great! I was hoping for a few comments on Freud Biologist of the Mind.....maybe next interview.

Educational!!!

Nice one :)

Frank and JohnJoe were amazing!

Luck rules all. The capacity for hard work is a matter of luck.

@gregkirk1842

2 жыл бұрын

Nice excuse.

@naturalisted1714

2 жыл бұрын

Truth! 🙌

@naturalisted1714

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregkirk1842 Why do you assume this person isn't successful or a hard worker? Sam Harris says the same thing, and he is successful, etc. We can acknowledge truths. Luck rules everything is a fact.

@gregkirk1842

2 жыл бұрын

@@naturalisted1714 its not everything. You have free will.

@ShapochkinKirill

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregkirk1842 Different amount of free will at best OR no free will at all.

Small *, form is still important later on, but its more of a given that you have an understandable form, so it won’t save you from flunking any courses.

Soooo Go thank you 👍⭐️👍⭐️🇿🇦

Wasn't it Sherlock Holmes (AC Doyle) who said, "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."?

Hmm, but isn’t the questions made to tease out the big five ?:0 wouldn’t this mean to some degree that an individual question would be correlated with genes and the trait? or do you tease it apart carefully enough to see the difference between separate questions that pertains to the “same trait”. just curious, and i used trait as a stand-in for whatever the questions are designed to measure. just so we are on the same page. The result would surly hinge on the questions being differentiated in more ways than just “traits” so to speak. i’m sure its true, i’m just curious about the method:)

Unfortunately I am undoing my KZread subscription. I will be checking to see if your videos are available via Rumble or some other video hosting entity that is not Google. I will no longer give my business to a company like Google, which is working to control and censor ideas and free speech more and more. It has gotten to a point I can no longer ignore. I really enjoy your posts, so I very much hope your videos are available on Rumble or any other video hosting entity that is not Google owned.

What does it take for a person to be "diverse"?

I have to admit, Michael, you kinda stole me away from Lex like Tim Dillon stole me from Andrew Schulz

I don't see any point in this discussion about what is a matter of luck and what is a matter of merit, everything is a matter of luck since even how much you are talented and a hard worker is defined by your genes and by the enverment in which you grew up.

Lamarckian evolution is a bit much for me lol. but its really intreresting that many types of mutation and change to the genome, comes from flaws in our moleculae machinery not necessarily just point mutations, like a duplicate gene and so on, that can then diverge into different genes and so on, or maybe you get a sort of redundancy like elefants have for some genes if i remember correctly. Has nothing to do with lamrack but its more of a similar feel to it, takes some of the randomness out of the process of evolution, so in a sense its closer to lamarck, even if its still mutation and natural selection going on, its more like an animal having a function allows the genes that control that spesific function to be duplicated and or modified, it’s still far from giraffes wanting nice leaves and stretching their necks :p.

@robincollins1647

2 жыл бұрын

does the environment impact our genes? yes it can, but not in the Lamarkian sense.

Lamarck**

Clint Eastwood a bully?

Novelty and significants is not something that is built into the structure of education at all. We learn boiled down method in a mostly sterile way and then the people that get the tools go on to use them for interesting stuff. I personally think we should try to teach creativity and methods to handle good ideas as well as the form of a text or very basic algebra for example. For younger kids is what I’m thinking of. its really not until late in university that form and charm becomes secondary in terms of evaluating work, or even in the teaching of subjects. For the most part ofc, there is a certain amount of creativity you simply have to show up with to write any text regardless of how horrible it is lol. I think this is kind of your fault in school perhaps with the B+ project, you focused more on what you thought was interesting about it instead of all the checkboxes being checked in an easy to observe formal way, which should give you top grades in most non advanced classes. I think its kind if silly, and we should have evaluations that gives more credence to wether the work is actually interesting and relevant as well. For example you could write an exciting text in a bad way, with a bit jumbled sentence structure at times and so on and get shit grades, and write a dead boring and irrelevant text with all the i’s crossed and everything and too grades. in the real world we only care about the first kind of text out of the two, ofc its best to do both, so why not make that more of an ideal in education earlier than we do?

First... (first time ever typing first in comment section), hehe.

@ShapochkinKirill

2 жыл бұрын

That virginity was supposed to be saved for Jesus!

Yo what the hell is a wingman if not a quantum of group selection lol. Slightly kidding, but lets say there is a bunch if genes that makes people be more likely to hang out, then the social lubricant of one man with this gene can aide the procreation of another man, even if the genes between the men are not identical. the point being small shifts in the reproductive ability of any person, has to do with his social circle to some degree, so a group with certain genes might have advantages socially over other groups leading to over all more replication of their genes, even if the individual genes isn’t necessarily identical or converging on being identical. Partly a joke, but i think there are subtle things like the composition of a society in terms of different genes and personalities that act as a lubricant for procreation in a way, or as you mentioned with war. But i think the question is in its most basic form, are there genes in your environment that is not your own but provides you with an advantage for advancing your own genes and the other way around. if so then i think you have ti grant that there is some group selection to some degree. Maybe not just in the sense of groups if humans necessarily, but a more general effect of many different genes contributing to the environment of any gene. earth is basically just one big succession process, the effects of genes being expressed is basically necessarily responsible for everything useful in our environment apart from minerals and so on. so in a sense you could say group selection is just a form of limited succession of an ecosystem to a degree. very subtle issues tho, and the difference between groups and kin is a question of generations counted, its really a kind of sandpile problem where the different words are just very tangled :p

Promoter of the discredited birth order effect on personality. Rather than accept the science that refuted his claims, attempted to sue to prevent publication. Not going to bother with this one.

Except his lefty BS and Sever TDS, good interview

This guy should play Chess - not Tennis !

Sulloway... not worth almost 3 hours!!! What loooooooooong... rambling!

Had to stop listening, Mr Sulloway seems quite immodest. I always think people who need to speak about themselves in such a way are rarely as rounded an individual as they consider themselves to be. Should have had Bill Gates & Paul McCartney in the conversation too 😂

@redcenturion88

2 жыл бұрын

You know what's up