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  • @FootballMadeSimple
    @FootballMadeSimple2 жыл бұрын

    What do you see as the next positional evolution?

  • @mixfcb1086

    @mixfcb1086

    2 жыл бұрын

    Probably single pivots.

  • @GM-kj7sy

    @GM-kj7sy

    2 жыл бұрын

    full backs would be nice.We are slowly seeing more and more teams using the full back as the extra man in building from the back

  • @rishavsingh2390

    @rishavsingh2390

    2 жыл бұрын

    Overlapping centrebacks could become a thing, like we saw with Chris Wilder's Sheffield United. But that's probably either too far into the future or not gonna be explored due to bigger changes in the picture

  • @andreadg5429

    @andreadg5429

    2 жыл бұрын

    Arsenal!! From 4th position to relegated position 😂

  • @TheRealPingu

    @TheRealPingu

    2 жыл бұрын

    Goalkeepers behaving as outfield players.

  • @RohitKumar-hi4qf
    @RohitKumar-hi4qf2 жыл бұрын

    15 years later.... "How goalkeepers are outscoring outfield players?"

  • @ishteerashid5458

    @ishteerashid5458

    2 жыл бұрын

    The future starts with Allison Becker.

  • @fishyfish6510

    @fishyfish6510

    2 жыл бұрын

    Allison, Neuer, Ederson are 3 great examples

  • @lobo981

    @lobo981

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Rewas Gautam 😂😂🙆🏻‍♂️ Becker

  • @ofentsemako8042

    @ofentsemako8042

    2 жыл бұрын

    😂😂😂😂😂

  • @kamui4708

    @kamui4708

    2 жыл бұрын

    When there corner kick they can use their hand in the box of opponent penalty

  • @CochinKerala
    @CochinKerala2 жыл бұрын

    Video 2 years later after Haaland scores a ton of goals - "How Strikers are making a comeback".

  • @camelio10

    @camelio10

    2 жыл бұрын

    Let's see him do it in a proper league. Werner scored 40 goals in a season in this league

  • @pavanmanchineni4153

    @pavanmanchineni4153

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@camelio10 Scoring 20+ goals in league under nagelsmann's counter attacking style was perfect suited for Werner. He was an average player before and should've stayed at Leipzig for his own good

  • @h.z1793

    @h.z1793

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@pavanmanchineni4153 he might not scored tons of goals but he got his first UCL in his first season in Chelsea. Isn't it a "good" personal achievement one could get? I bet he'll never regret his decision on this move

  • @pavanmanchineni4153

    @pavanmanchineni4153

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@h.z1793 Achievements are highly subjective innit? I mean everyone loves to win, but buffon hasn't won CL till now while odriozola kind of players have won.

  • @KennyFCB

    @KennyFCB

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@camelio10 It all depends upon the club and style of football they play. Look at Griezmann, he was in the same league in Atletico and Barca but the thing is Defensive Counter Attacking team players don't suit to other styles easily but other can suit to counter attacking quick like Louis Suarez.

  • @greninjafw
    @greninjafw2 жыл бұрын

    While there are still out and out center forwards, they've also been forced to evolve and adapt their game. The likes of Lewandowski, Lukaku, Haaland and Kane can not only score goals like a striker would, but they also have the ability to drop deep (Esp Kane last season) or move out wide (I know Lukaku does that quite a bit, his footwork isn't as bad as people make it out to be.)

  • @TheJacobtan

    @TheJacobtan

    2 жыл бұрын

    Center forwards are now acting more like a pivot up front, mostly a traditional target man + linkup play to lay off other forwards, Giroud is another type of player here. Still this leaves space for positional forwards like Vardy, Aguero, Lautaro Martinez to strive because of their positioning and sharpness in front of goal.

  • @patrickhodgen9933

    @patrickhodgen9933

    2 жыл бұрын

    I would argue Haaland is more of a throwback in that sense, but he’s still young and has a lot of time to adapt his game into a deeper role.

  • @greninjafw

    @greninjafw

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@patrickhodgen9933 throwback yea, but he's very much capable of dropping deep and linking up play too And you're right, he still has many years ahead

  • @greninjafw

    @greninjafw

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheJacobtan I think in general, more is being expected of a centre forward and hence they've been becoming more versatile

  • @MVPBallingD.Rose96

    @MVPBallingD.Rose96

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lukaku footwork is not bad at all, people seem to forget technical skills can get better with age. Unlike physical traits which tend to be more set in stone

  • @lwandomadikizela2213
    @lwandomadikizela22132 жыл бұрын

    The 433 or the 4231 is the best examples of the rise of inside forwards like Robben, Rashford, Salah and Mbappe and the inverted wingers like Ribery, Hazard, Di Maria and Marhez. It's the current football meta and why Guardiola, Klopp and Zidane have a false 9.

  • @rickynetogoat5769

    @rickynetogoat5769

    2 жыл бұрын

    Eh the meta for me anyways is changing to a 3 in the back. The 433 has always been the meta especially with the Likes of Barca, Spain, Ajax, and Netherlands. Feel like the 433 will always be a go to. While now a days were seeing 3 in the backs even in a 433 system where a wing back or DM slots in as a 3rd CB to provide build up and protect counters.

  • @lwandomadikizela2213

    @lwandomadikizela2213

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rickynetogoat5769 Very good insight. The CDM drop deep to protect the back 4 sometimes playing as the 3rd centre back to prevent counter attacks.

  • @athulanilkumar403

    @athulanilkumar403

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rickynetogoat5769 There are no longer any fixed formations. It's a different formation for each phase of play, like defence, transition and attack. Also players are having different roles in each phase, instead of a fixed place throughout the match.

  • @davidtuttle7556

    @davidtuttle7556

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lwandomadikizela2213 like Fabinho?

  • @lwandomadikizela2213

    @lwandomadikizela2213

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@davidtuttle7556 Yes and Casemiro at Real Madrid.

  • @GM-kj7sy
    @GM-kj7sy2 жыл бұрын

    Without great hardworking fullbacks,playing inside forwards or inverted wingers can basically be shooting yourself on the foot.The best example of this is Barca playing Messi on the right wing and Roberto as a right back.

  • @RohitKumar-hi4qf

    @RohitKumar-hi4qf

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tf ur talking about sergi roberto has an average working rate??... The cbs are to be blamed for their blunders

  • @richard35791

    @richard35791

    2 жыл бұрын

    bruh, how about your clubs faced huge financial burden, gonna be a banter soon

  • @reecejoshua6613

    @reecejoshua6613

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think GM meant that when Roberto is RB then it's bad because Roberto is a midfielder naturally

  • @tittopaulson5200

    @tittopaulson5200

    2 жыл бұрын

    roberto is a workhorse but he dont have the pace or skill for an offensive fullback. he has the attributes of an average midfielder

  • @CLSZN

    @CLSZN

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep or Guardiola's City which don't have fullbacks overlapping/underlapping hence his team always looks a lot better when playing with traditional wingers compared to inverted wingers.

  • @thakshilajayasundara1131
    @thakshilajayasundara11312 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for doing a really interesting vid that mentions Robbery, a great duo that gave us Bayern fans amazing memories ❤

  • @KennyFCB

    @KennyFCB

    2 жыл бұрын

    Robben,Ribery, Robert Lewandowski and Thomas Muller was a brilliant attack back 4 years ago.

  • @ajmalaj4381
    @ajmalaj43812 жыл бұрын

    Arsene Wenger introduced this goal scoring inverted wide man much before with Robert Pires

  • @harukrentz435

    @harukrentz435

    2 жыл бұрын

    Good point. I forgot Pires once scored 20 goals playing from the flanks.

  • @w.8424

    @w.8424

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wenger? No

  • @footballbrainer279

    @footballbrainer279

    2 жыл бұрын

    He turned Thierry Henry, Robin Van Persie from wingers into strikers, he was doing that with Sanchez for a while

  • @aznvermilion8177
    @aznvermilion81772 жыл бұрын

    This is what the doubter of ronaldo's 'goal-per-match' need to know ; ronaldo career is from 2002 - until now. But he ONLY started playing inside forward or centre forward since mid 2007. from 2002 until pre-mid 2007, he was still playing as a traditional winger (also called right/left mid) in a 442 formation, they just run to the byline and whip in cross all the time, thats all they do for most of the 90 minute (like what fullback do nowadays. fullback essentially replaced the traditional winger's crossing job). So just imagine that, how many game he went without focusing on goalscoring and attacking towards the box. THAT'S what create the huge gap between games played and goal scored. Now i dont want to see "but messi was a midfield too" no he wasnt, he just DROP DEEP, and then proceed to go up the field. He's a unique forward that help the build-up play, but he is still a forward, he literally goes up the field towards goal. Cavani and tevez always drop deep, yet I dont see anyone calling them a midfielder?.. Yes, messi has played CAM but thats just some rare occassion back in the days and in recent years with Barca, usually to fill spot left by absent players or tactical change for a specific game. He never fully dedicate as a CAM throughout a whole single season. Ronaldo on the other hand, dedicate 5 whole season as a fully traditional winger. Hence the goal-per match gap. This is not a hate towards messi at all (I love him, he's a much more complete player than CR).But an explanation to ronaldo's goalscoring doubter/hater

  • @Praveen.mukunda.3

    @Praveen.mukunda.3

    2 жыл бұрын

    Bro . I don't wanna start a mostly used football debate . Let's just say Messi didn't simply dropped midfield. His vision and passing is second to none. That's why he has playmaker of year awards. Also the way he carried team in 2017-2018 is impeccable playmaking sense. One More thing to say Messi's goals are coming as a bonus from his playmaking role. He too played RW role is 2 years I guess. Edited: What Messi does is not like Cavani or Tevez does by coming inside .

  • @i_like_chomp6382

    @i_like_chomp6382

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Praveen.mukunda.3 Everything you said didn't make any sense... and what did didn't say anything at all. He just said Ronaldo's sketchy goals per game ratio is in part due to his role as a player when he first started playing.

  • @aznvermilion8177

    @aznvermilion8177

    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@@Praveen.mukunda.3 Im not talking about his vision or playmaking bro, I know its incredible and i have no problem with that. But do you know why i bring up about 'messi playing midfield'? Heres an example of what people always say for messi : Person A : "ronaldo didnt score much because he was a traditional winger earlier in his career " Person B : " But messi was not a forward too, he was a midfielder back then. But he still have a better goal-per-game ratio." So person B is saying, messi is placed in midfield, but he still score so much, which is incredible. But person B is wrong. Messi is NOT placed in midfield. He is placed at forward, so although he drop deep and does midfield duty like playmaking, he will eventually go forward into the box to join the attack and score. That means he's still a forward. he doesnt stay around the middle of the field like Kroos, Xavi, Pirlo, Jorginho, Rakitic. So all my explanation is to tell why people who think like person B is incorrect. I'm not talking about messi's vision or playmaking, i know all that but that has nothing to do with this. Yes i know cavani/tevez does not do the same thing like messi. But regardless of the different thing that they do when deep (playmaking /build-up passes / tackling/ marking), whatever each of them does, one thing for sure, they are STILL forwards/strikers. Because they eventually go up to the penalty box to score goals. They dont stay around the middle like those midfield names that i said previously. And about that RW that you said, messi is playing as inside forward RW bro, so still a 'forward', like this video. Not traditional RW (a.k.a RM), like ronaldo from 2002-2007.

  • @lxfj2128

    @lxfj2128

    2 жыл бұрын

    Neither did Messi he played winger no excuses

  • @i_like_chomp6382

    @i_like_chomp6382

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lxfj2128 Actually Messi was a Centre-Forward or a false 9 so your argument makes no sense

  • @Getroy
    @Getroy2 жыл бұрын

    For this system to really work, you need the best attacking fullbacks possible with center backs who can defend a 2v3 or a 2v4. With this system teams either play like Liverpool or Arsenal

  • @prdigy2655

    @prdigy2655

    2 жыл бұрын

    Love the contrast between the examples

  • @rickynetogoat5769

    @rickynetogoat5769

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not really if you can still get numbers back from your midfield. A lot of center mids now a days are told to defend the wide areas and become more of a carillero. To help full backs like Marcos Llorente does for Atleti or Koke. It really just depends on who's in your midfield. Attacking full backs also aren't really that important as defensive ones. Atleti love their inside wingers and one could argue that they have some of the best defensive wing backs in terms of straight defending. I feel like a more suited attribute would be crossing like Trippier or TAA because of how wife wing backs are supposed to be in attack due to the inward runs of wingers

  • @messigoh6061

    @messigoh6061

    2 жыл бұрын

    No you dont... Klopp has fabinho deep to help stop counters (through tactical fouls). and pep adopts a sort of w-m formation to stop counters with the fullbacks inverting into midfield.

  • @Getroy

    @Getroy

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@messigoh6061 cos man city dont have inside forwards.

  • @messigoh6061

    @messigoh6061

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Getroy Actually they do. While Mahrez and Sterling tend to hug the touchline to stretch the pitch, they are always cutting in with the ball when they receive it in space... Do you watch Mahrez play hes always cutting into his left foot. And Sterling also inverts in the final third to get into the box.

  • @csvsbharadwaj4423
    @csvsbharadwaj44232 жыл бұрын

    memphis depay and ansu fati can be one hell of a combination of inside forwards if used correctly by ronald koeman

  • @user-ip2ys5si3q

    @user-ip2ys5si3q

    2 жыл бұрын

    We know koeman won't use them correctly

  • @csvsbharadwaj4423

    @csvsbharadwaj4423

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@user-ip2ys5si3q yeah, sadly

  • @mixfcb1086

    @mixfcb1086

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hmm, maybe we could see Fati on the right wing?

  • @5ucls

    @5ucls

    2 жыл бұрын

    We have lazy fullbacks

  • @mixfcb1086

    @mixfcb1086

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@5ucls Defensively they are lazy, I think it’s time we go back to a back three.

  • @finding_aether
    @finding_aether2 жыл бұрын

    Ljungberg and Pires were an underrated wing duo. So many goals from them..

  • @w.8424

    @w.8424

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ljungberg played more centrally than wide

  • @finding_aether

    @finding_aether

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@w.8424 yes. The title of this video is called "inside forwards"😌

  • @thealchemist6355

    @thealchemist6355

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@w.8424 Central?? Arsenal played a 442

  • @Agger-pr2hz

    @Agger-pr2hz

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thealchemist6355 4-5-1 sometimes

  • @thealchemist6355

    @thealchemist6355

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Agger-pr2hz 451 became the main tactic post 2005 and after Henry's departure

  • @krishnaarora6099
    @krishnaarora60992 жыл бұрын

    Check out the *Front3 Podcast* where they talk about Greenwood being one of the best upcoming type of this player 🔥

  • @stnbch3025

    @stnbch3025

    2 жыл бұрын

    And at this point none of the current young forwards at United has actually became a top player.

  • @goldenemmanuelyt35

    @goldenemmanuelyt35

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@stnbch3025 ???

  • @viandramonisyaf8623

    @viandramonisyaf8623

    2 жыл бұрын

    He's basically gonna master both the up front and inside forward role for real

  • @jimmyfawwaz6374

    @jimmyfawwaz6374

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@stnbch3025 because? Or you talk nonsense because you are a hater?

  • @arctyic1932

    @arctyic1932

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hadnot been that three goals by him, you wouldn't even think of sniffing these type of comments. Let that kid atleast play a season good, then tell "one of the best" nonsense. Don't just rate him yet.

  • @harrisonokoro7002
    @harrisonokoro70022 жыл бұрын

    When C. Ibe Ronaldo won the golden boot and best forward in 08, he said he had changed football a little bit. This is the result of that change actually.

  • @harukrentz435

    @harukrentz435

    2 жыл бұрын

    CR7 and Pep changed football drastically. Pep changed defensive aspect of football, defenders are rated not only with his defensive attributes but also his ability to play the ball.

  • @haroonpacking
    @haroonpacking2 жыл бұрын

    class video, would love to see a video on line breaking midfielders soon

  • @rlfernandes9538
    @rlfernandes95382 жыл бұрын

    Great video. On the graph showed at the beginning, it's impressive how Messi+Ronaldo's output in '08 and '12 even bent the statistics against the dominating trend ofthe time, lol

  • @rlfernandes9538

    @rlfernandes9538

    2 жыл бұрын

    While I enjoy seeing both players' achievements and evolution, I found Messi in 2012 (calendar year) to be inhuman. Don't think we'll see something like it anytime soon. The following year, he had some injuries that slowed him down statistically (I suspect it was somehow related with him becoming a father for the first time). Afterwards he morphed a bit, to add the Xavi role to his repertoire.

  • @rod6722

    @rod6722

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rlfernandes9538 2012 was obviously Messi's best year in terms of goalscoring, but personally I think his best season overall was 2014/2015. It's when he added that new deep-lying playmaker dimension to his game, while still scoring a massive amount of goals.

  • @rlfernandes9538

    @rlfernandes9538

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rod6722 agree, that was the "Xavi role" I mentioned. He became much more complete and influential in games. That first MSN season was magical, happy I was able to watch those games. So much flow with a 2-3-5 in attack (Alba, Neymar, Suarez, Messi and Alves moving around the front). That will hardly be repeated.

  • @juanito.1053
    @juanito.10532 жыл бұрын

    Finally some brought up this topic as guy who started watching football in the early days for 2010’s I saw this football Transition involving wide players basically becoming strikers in game . Cr7 is my favorite player so I obviously I would break down his game and I would see this. Players such as bales , sterling and even spurs heuing-Ming son . Even in fifa I would use winger as strikers because they had all the tools to scores goals such as in real life . For example putting son on the wings is a waste the guy is agile fast and shoot the ball with either foot. Even tho I’m spurs he often starts on the LW/LM position he almost played like a second left handed striker next to Harry Kane. This players are favorites players who play on the wing but Contribute in the score Line weather being assist or goals . So many of things players are my favorite players. Such as Ronaldo , (prime) hazard neymar , salah , bale , Ribery , son , and Messi

  • @rickynetogoat5769

    @rickynetogoat5769

    2 жыл бұрын

    I mean I get what you're saying but you could say that Son provides a different dynamic when he's out in the left that I don't think he could get playing down the middle. Moving between channels is so much better when moving from the wings and it's a different set of abilities. Using Son as a secondary striker to a big man like Kane is good but when you use Son as a solo Striker I feel like that would be a lot more difficult for him to accomplish then what he does from the wing. In Fifa I always like to use my wingers to make the runs while the striker sits deep and becomes my target man. Feel like that's much better for using Son than playing him as an out and out striker

  • @chiragmotwani2421
    @chiragmotwani24212 жыл бұрын

    If you have followed this channel closely , you know he has made this video very early , but i guess it was on patreon , now he has uoloaded it , BTW great video mate!

  • @chap5674
    @chap56742 жыл бұрын

    Haven’t watched the video yet but i feel like the first time i really saw inside forwards were ajax back in 80s and 90s im sure they were used before though and also thought bayern with ribery and robben used it to perfection

  • @RichardFlores2K
    @RichardFlores2K2 жыл бұрын

    Basically Guardiola and Klopp used wingers/inside forwards as strikers along with deep lying strikers or advanced strikers.

  • @tesla5297

    @tesla5297

    2 жыл бұрын

    Guardiola always prefers wide classical wingers

  • @russow1074

    @russow1074

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tesla5297 Guardiola's barca was 2 goalscoring inside forwards ( pedro and david villa). He doesn't use classical wingers that much

  • @richard35791

    @richard35791

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tesla5297 pep dont expect sterling to become inside forward lol

  • @messigoh6061

    @messigoh6061

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tesla5297 Actually the wide players pep uses arent exactly classical wingers. They tend to hug the touchline to underload the opposite side of the pitch. This allows guardiolas team to overload one side and switch play, giving the opposite wide player a one on one vs the opposition full back. In this instance they either can cut in or they can pass it to an onrushing midfielder in the half space. Riyad Mahrez and Sterling are far from classical wingers

  • @fredrikkarlsson1620
    @fredrikkarlsson16202 жыл бұрын

    I love ur vids! Great work 👍👍👍

  • @gregoryvincke
    @gregoryvincke2 жыл бұрын

    "How Wingers Became The Most Important Players". Became? Look at the Dutch football school, which is based on wing play, or at Ajax 90's... Wingers and inside forwards were, in specific systems, already key... And that 30 years ago!

  • @JayzsMr

    @JayzsMr

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not really , classical dutch 433 has wide wingers on the touch lines

  • @gregoryvincke

    @gregoryvincke

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JayzsMr Not true. Overmars often came inside!

  • @JayzsMr

    @JayzsMr

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@gregoryvincke one player means the classical way was different?

  • @gregoryvincke

    @gregoryvincke

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JayzsMr Of course, it means that the player, in question, was encouraged by the trainer to come inside. In this case by Van Gaal.

  • @rickynetogoat5769

    @rickynetogoat5769

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JayzsMr yeah man you're wrong in this one. Wingers we're often times played inside like in the modern game just they would be creators like Sarabia, and early Beckham rather than inside forwards like we see today.

  • @chandlerthebing3472
    @chandlerthebing34722 жыл бұрын

    The main difference between inverted wingers and inside forwars is inverted wingers provide width

  • @footballbrainer279

    @footballbrainer279

    2 жыл бұрын

    Inverted wingers are inside forwards... Wide wingers maintain width and stretch the pitch ie Man City but LFC use inverted wingers Salah and Mane

  • @tibododo
    @tibododo2 жыл бұрын

    Nice video! We should also add that teams press more than before and are now more compact than before, which means creativity higher of the field is harder since there are less solutions to give the ball, and less time to think about what to do. So n°10 and creators can't be at the heart of the game, they have to be in a much lower or wider position, as a regista or creative winger (or even as wing back, like Alexander-Arnold)

  • @hunterjourney2609
    @hunterjourney26092 жыл бұрын

    Been waiting for this video 📸 for a while

  • @fhjunior6183
    @fhjunior61832 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the vid

  • @MarquisdeSuave
    @MarquisdeSuave2 жыл бұрын

    Would love it if you could do a video about Wide Playmakers such as how teams like Leipzig (Sabitzer, Forsberg and now Szoboszlai) utilize to great success.

  • @adithyaadiga488
    @adithyaadiga4882 жыл бұрын

    ⚽️⚽️⚽️ Please do a video on rose tactics about dortmund Also please do a video on leipzeig match analysis With emphasis on pressing

  • @alexnascimento3877
    @alexnascimento38772 жыл бұрын

    I like a lot this Kind of video. Great vídeo \o/

  • @jimmyfawwaz6374
    @jimmyfawwaz63742 жыл бұрын

    That's why Ronaldo and Messi are very special because both of them can provide any roles as a forward

  • @dequanmsealey1356
    @dequanmsealey13562 жыл бұрын

    100% Honest i checked your youtube for a video about salah's playstyle 2 days ago.

  • @phabianodhiambo713
    @phabianodhiambo7132 жыл бұрын

    Kindly do the Flick's Germany Teams tactics in the games played so far. Please

  • @imambruonyibnhowmasalstryn2659
    @imambruonyibnhowmasalstryn26592 жыл бұрын

    Thank u very much U made my day

  • @devshrutbastola3175
    @devshrutbastola31752 жыл бұрын

    Yo this is awesome 😎

  • @javiecija96
    @javiecija962 жыл бұрын

    Will you do a tactical impact video about Ronaldo in ManU?

  • @fmac6441
    @fmac6441 Жыл бұрын

    I think the historical description of this video is very connected to England. Brazil in almost its entire history had examples of inside forwards and inverted wingers

  • @pvn106
    @pvn1062 жыл бұрын

    nice video.

  • @arefjr
    @arefjr2 жыл бұрын

    I guess u should include Football manager game info in the role explaining thing. Its so accurate and viable and people who play it have more understanding of the game.

  • @of218
    @of2182 жыл бұрын

    Make a vid on graham potter

  • @joeschmoe2030
    @joeschmoe20302 жыл бұрын

    A dozen years ago Mourinho - Britain's most hated man for playing defensive like it was part of the game - was doing all this at Inter with Milito as center striker, Eto'o/Pandev as winger cutting inside and Maicon burning up the right outside. He won a treble doing it beating Barcelona, Chelsea and Bayern Munich along the way. I think at this point it's safe to say that if it is being done in EPL now, than it has been a part of the regular tactical game in Italy and Spain for a quite a while.

  • @ankaramesi3824
    @ankaramesi38242 жыл бұрын

    A proper manager at United would have implemented the Liverpool system at United with a front 3 of Rashford-Bruno-Greenwood and would have won things.

  • @BenAnderson48

    @BenAnderson48

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think for that to work a proper DM is required, and McFred isn't a proper DM.

  • @messigoh6061

    @messigoh6061

    2 жыл бұрын

    hmm i would love to see bruno as a false 9 but i think he would be more effective in the hole behind a striker.

  • @harukrentz435

    @harukrentz435

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not with McFred he wont.

  • @supriyobiswas6313
    @supriyobiswas6313 Жыл бұрын

    please make a video on evolution on wing back

  • @SinanShanavas4
    @SinanShanavas42 жыл бұрын

    Nice Tactics

  • @aclock2
    @aclock22 жыл бұрын

    I must disagree, the inside forward actually makes the striker role even more important, as they now must contribute more into teamplay instead of just camping in the final third all game waiting for oppoturnity. Many of the greatest super stars in the last decade playing in this role: Messi, Benzema, Lewan, Kane, Rooney, Drogba, Ibra, Tevez, Henry..... On the contracy, there were not as many super star inside forward: CR7, Neymar, Salah, Son, Robben.... With the exception of CR7, the inside forwards group could not really match the striker group in term of legendary status.

  • @linuxjodi4311
    @linuxjodi43112 жыл бұрын

    Milan's 3-4-3 was probably the only exception, their front three that consisted of Sheva/Inzaghi, Kaka, Seedorf was narrower, yet, both Sheva & Inzaghi didn't drop as deep as other false 9s, well cuz they weren't.. Well, a front three doesn't always need inverted wingers or inside forwards IMO..

  • @rudrajabasu4995
    @rudrajabasu49952 жыл бұрын

    Hey can you please make a video on Argentina tactics....they are doing well actually..

  • @harukrentz435
    @harukrentz4352 жыл бұрын

    Wenger kinda invented this system with Pires and Ljungberg in early 2000's especially Pires he was such prolific goalscorer playing from wide area, however CR7 popularized this trend in 2007, another winger followed suit even Robben wasnt a prolific goalscorer before he moved to Bayern in 2009. What made CR7 special is that he always outshined world class strikers in his team, like Wayne Rooney, Carlos Tevez, & Karim Benzema. Hes always been the focal point of his team ahead of those generational strikers.

  • @tamunotamuno3564
    @tamunotamuno35642 жыл бұрын

    thanks 4 solving my football manager dilemma 🤣

  • @BeerLicious
    @BeerLicious2 жыл бұрын

    Isn't that Putting pressure on wingers too ? If you score it's good but if you can't ? You're considered as a useless winger now. Sterling for example is an excellent winger & prolly best but gets slandered for missing sitters.

  • @mikelchristopher8135
    @mikelchristopher81352 жыл бұрын

    Salah physicality is underrated

  • @fishyfish6510

    @fishyfish6510

    2 жыл бұрын

    Maybe if he tried to fight to stay on his feet rather than dive at first contact people will see his physicality more

  • @mikelchristopher8135

    @mikelchristopher8135

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@fishyfish6510 that is so true

  • @razer0072073

    @razer0072073

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@fishyfish6510 Ironic coming from a Chelsea fan

  • @dranthony1882
    @dranthony18822 жыл бұрын

    Where did this zone 14 suddenly come from. It's in every video now

  • @justindesouza977
    @justindesouza9772 жыл бұрын

    6:55 I think it is a must to include the man who bossed the False 9 role, the one and only Leo Messi.

  • @nickonyt1558
    @nickonyt15582 жыл бұрын

    Ribery, Robben, Messi, Ronaldo..... STERLING 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

  • @lxfj2128
    @lxfj21282 жыл бұрын

    Msn Messi neymar we’re inverted wingers . In fact Messi has always been an inverted winger from 2003-2009 he played on the rw and he’s left foot . From 2015-2019 he played on the rw ofc he would drift anywhere to

  • @josephmbugua5862
    @josephmbugua58622 жыл бұрын

    Kindly make a video on Saul niguez

  • @raynerben3843
    @raynerben38432 жыл бұрын

    The Inside forward had made teams to play a back 3 to make a 3v3 situation

  • @TheChees1996
    @TheChees19962 жыл бұрын

    i have been using inside foward for year in football manager.

  • @coffeebuddymphuthi
    @coffeebuddymphuthi2 жыл бұрын

    Plz do JOSÉ'S Roma next

  • @phomo561
    @phomo5612 жыл бұрын

    Here early.. Next up - a Paetreon Subscription 💯

  • @muhammedtaha2183
    @muhammedtaha21832 жыл бұрын

    Can you add English captions bro because I am Egyptian and I can't understand the listening

  • @m.aununu.musaffa7466

    @m.aununu.musaffa7466

    2 жыл бұрын

    Auto generate already enough...

  • @shoukotuzzamanchudhury7083
    @shoukotuzzamanchudhury70832 жыл бұрын

    We all know that the sudden rise of goals by wingers in 08 season is due to which man

  • @daconvertiblebaby69

    @daconvertiblebaby69

    2 жыл бұрын

    Who?

  • @shoukotuzzamanchudhury7083

    @shoukotuzzamanchudhury7083

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@daconvertiblebaby69 Ronaldo

  • @abdallahsmith1985
    @abdallahsmith19852 жыл бұрын

    other than formation and tactics, there is also the culture of football - people watching messi and ronaldo, you then have the talented kids growing up wanting to play like them

  • @Boy_O_Boy
    @Boy_O_Boy2 жыл бұрын

    How would you categorise Mason Greenwood?

  • @muhammedgamal5871
    @muhammedgamal587110 ай бұрын

    Now it's saka jesus martenelli

  • @Subha95
    @Subha952 жыл бұрын

    Strikers are still there kicking, its the Im small pacy player so I'll play as stiker so ill dribble pass is dead cause that rearly works, so most team takes Tall and strong strikers while sends the pacy players in wing cause that works better. Plus taller player can score with head thats not easy for shorter players

  • @barnabasmuhanda6569
    @barnabasmuhanda65692 жыл бұрын

    I think this man has exposed Tuchel Tactics

  • @fishyfish6510

    @fishyfish6510

    2 жыл бұрын

    No.

  • @okeyatimilehin7906
    @okeyatimilehin79062 жыл бұрын

    All this started cos a boy from Madeira scored 31 goals from the wing in 07/08

  • @supriyobiswas6313
    @supriyobiswas6313 Жыл бұрын

    what was the role of Messi and Ronaldinho on Barcelona in 2005-6? both where wingers?

  • @ParetoEmperor-jp6ke

    @ParetoEmperor-jp6ke

    9 ай бұрын

    ronaldinho inside forward left, messi inside forward right, both always start attacking from deep wide, etoo more like targetman pivotal for both can drift into penalty

  • @nehemiahjacobs1987
    @nehemiahjacobs19872 жыл бұрын

    How love to see a team go old school on pep 😂

  • @williamhuang7624
    @williamhuang76242 жыл бұрын

    Score More Goals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @yaboimatteo7706
    @yaboimatteo77062 жыл бұрын

    Shout out to my fellow wingers out here. We lit🔥🔥😌

  • @bahdboy4858
    @bahdboy48582 жыл бұрын

    07:04 Mane is 10 and Salah 11, not the other way round

  • @juang8360
    @juang83602 жыл бұрын

    Robben

  • @fernandocastrovargas6843
    @fernandocastrovargas68432 жыл бұрын

    Well explained. I could add that this change probably started in 2006 world cup with 3 players focused on it: Ribbery, Robben and specially LAHM. Not before that cuz ive even seen Messi videos playing on the left at BarcaB. Its not a secret that this change is one of the effects of a more offensive football since 2008.

  • @rod6722

    @rod6722

    2 жыл бұрын

    It started a few years before. Before the 2006 World Cup, Ronaldinho was already the best player in the world playing as an inverted winger for Barcelona. Another example would be Zidane, who played as an inverted winger for Real Madrid. Inverted wingers weren't the rule in the early 2000s but there already were some prominent examples.

  • @lexkanyima2195

    @lexkanyima2195

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@rod6722 Zidane was not a winger at all

  • @rod6722

    @rod6722

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lexkanyima2195 Of course he wasn't, but for Real Madrid he started from the left-wing, with Roberto Carlos occupying the wing when Zidane would come inside. Kinda like players such as Ozil and Iniesta played on the wing in some games despite not being wingers.

  • @harukrentz435

    @harukrentz435

    2 жыл бұрын

    What with this revisionism here? Robben wasnt known as a prolific goalscorer before his transfer to Bayern Munich in 2009. If you want to know the inventors of this system, you can look at Arsene Wenger in 2002-2004 with Robert Pires and Sir Alex Ferguson 2006-2009 with Cristiano Ronaldo. Go take a look at numbers of goal scored by these 2 players playing on the wide positions.

  • @victormugishar.5812
    @victormugishar.58122 жыл бұрын

    I don’t know if this can be also included but to have winger who are really moving and versatile in their positions in order to make the opposition defensive confused. A front three that has both inverted wings but who can switch positions in between them and the center-forward. Barcelona’s MSN used to play like that but a quick example is the front three of last year’s Chelsea! When Mount was playing as a winger, they tend to switch wings and you would never know who track Pulisch or Werner or Mount in counter-attack! I’ve just thought of it 😂😂

  • @jubayerwasidraiyan5874
    @jubayerwasidraiyan58742 жыл бұрын

    "messi, ronaldo, ribery, robben" okay looking good, all of them are legends, "... and Sterling" ????

  • @akashdahane9136

    @akashdahane9136

    2 жыл бұрын

    Sterling isn't bad either except having tendency to dive in the box!

  • @jubayerwasidraiyan5874

    @jubayerwasidraiyan5874

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@akashdahane9136 im not saying he's bad but he's nowhere near those legends

  • @messigoh6061

    @messigoh6061

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jubayerwasidraiyan5874 just an example of inside forwards or inverted wingers.

  • @jubayerwasidraiyan5874

    @jubayerwasidraiyan5874

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@messigoh6061 yeah but he got a good player among legends, could've added someone else like hazard but i think this guy has lost faith in him lmao

  • @andreandeo6177
    @andreandeo6177 Жыл бұрын

    Number 9 are still alive.. Classic Number 10 already Extinct

  • @obelemwokoma2
    @obelemwokoma22 жыл бұрын

    You need to consider becoming a coach one day

  • @mustafaabdulsahib9317
    @mustafaabdulsahib93172 жыл бұрын

    hary kane is the most complete striker, he acts as goal scoring machine or drops and becomes almost a 10 creating chances

  • @Abdi-libaax
    @Abdi-libaax2 жыл бұрын

    Football has become more defensive and less risk taking. I'm I right??

  • @Ranamon9132

    @Ranamon9132

    2 жыл бұрын

    Not necessarily. Theres been many phases over the years where defense was more important. Look at the milan team of old. They barely scored any goals, one of the lowest of all time for a league winning side. But they just didnt allow people to score. Its just like fashion, there will be phases. It will constantly change back and forth

  • @felixt2920
    @felixt29202 жыл бұрын

    3:44 „Inverted“ not „ inveted“

  • @manzoj5898
    @manzoj58982 жыл бұрын

    Wait wasn’t Ronaldo an inverted winger in Real Madrid he played in the left wing and his strong foot was his right

  • @tientrandinh15

    @tientrandinh15

    Жыл бұрын

    He is an inside forward not inverted winger. Focus much on scoring goals

  • @MVPBallingD.Rose96
    @MVPBallingD.Rose962 жыл бұрын

    As a Chelsea fan that title is bs Lmaoo

  • @habeebibrahim4993
    @habeebibrahim49932 жыл бұрын

    Finally

  • @xTripleD2156x
    @xTripleD2156x2 жыл бұрын

    I turned the vid off when he mentioned Sterling w/ Ribery, Robben, Messi, and CR7. Excuse me What?

  • @nabby9829
    @nabby98292 жыл бұрын

    Pep sometimes plays a 3-4-3 diamond with a false 9 So he basically has 5 central midfielders Its a tactic that is rarely used but so efficient

  • @ryanfinnerty6239

    @ryanfinnerty6239

    2 жыл бұрын

    There’s a video of cruyff talking about it on KZread

  • @rogerramah1754
    @rogerramah17542 жыл бұрын

    This is one of the reasons you can't write off man city on winning the league again because" they have no striker"

  • @rationalkvng8560
    @rationalkvng85602 жыл бұрын

    In short: 2008 CR7

  • @AlienX477
    @AlienX4772 жыл бұрын

    The best centre forwards actually adapted several aspects of inside forward play in their game to take them above other strikers in goalscoring. Haaland plays similarly to an inside forward in the sense that he likes to make his trademark diagonal runs into the inside left channel before wrapping his favourite left foot around the ball to send to the far corner. As such he often lines up in the right half space upfront to allow his diagonal runs to happen. Lewandowski is known for dropping deep but he often drops deep to the flanks to help in overloads. While he rarely cuts inside to shoot like ronaldo after coming up from the flanks, he much prefers to pass the ball away to allow him to get into central scoring areas in the box. The future will see the rise of goalscoring wingbacks as the three centre back tactic with wingbacks become more popular like at the recent Euros. The rise of achraf hakimi and denzel dumfries cannot be ignored in the eventual evolution of the goalscoring wingback.

  • @Mauricioel5
    @Mauricioel52 жыл бұрын

    You mean wing?

  • @zurainisadikin2015
    @zurainisadikin20152 жыл бұрын

    Can Modern Winger score more goal without false 9..Messi not take part of this my question ..Messi Uniquely

  • @qas3133
    @qas31332 жыл бұрын

    Next germany vs Armenia

  • @mixfcb1086
    @mixfcb10862 жыл бұрын

    Eh, I don’t really think Iniside forwards are killing off the striker.

  • @5ucls

    @5ucls

    2 жыл бұрын

    They're expected to be the teams best goalscorers

  • @lexkanyima2195

    @lexkanyima2195

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@5ucls Messi and Ronaldo are the examples

  • @alexfzg9936
    @alexfzg99362 жыл бұрын

    As someone who only started watching football in 2012, I wish that someday the 4-4-2 formation would be the go to formation for all the top teams in Europe again

  • @JayzsMr
    @JayzsMr2 жыл бұрын

    I feel like this video is 10 years too late . Current evolution shifts back importance on the classical forward with 3 at the back formations becoming poplar which allows the classical forward to stay centrally supported by two creative players . Like Chelsea are playing for example. Furthermore especially in Germany teams play with a very strong emphasis on high pressing and quick transitions through the center which let to the rise of forwards like Haland who mainly thrive in these situations . Then obviously Guardiola who is always ahead of the curve who uses his fullbacks as midfielders while the wingers stay wide and play more like classical wingers to make space for creative 10 like players to attack the half spaces behind and create goals via cutbacks.

  • @jonathantkyong8157
    @jonathantkyong81572 жыл бұрын

    It's simple really. Wingers tend to only face against 1 opponent on the side, which the current top wingers always dribble or cut into middle and shoot before reaching the opponent's central defenders. Meanwhile center forwards used to be 2 against 2 found themselves 2v1 in the current trend, making their jop much harder than before.

  • @21DMN
    @21DMN2 жыл бұрын

    Football should thank Pep for this. For him the wingers do not have to go to the corner because it means locking himself in with only the ball. The winger must go to goal associating on the way with his teammates

  • @abulelenxumalo6664

    @abulelenxumalo6664

    2 жыл бұрын

    Many other managers did this before pep was even known

  • @harukrentz435

    @harukrentz435

    2 жыл бұрын

    Pep? Lol Sir Alex Ferguson and Cristiano Ronaldo had done it since 2007.

  • @messigoh6061

    @messigoh6061

    2 жыл бұрын

    What Pep didnt invent this he just used it to gr8 effect

  • @containedhurricane

    @containedhurricane

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wenger introduced it first to EPL with Pires and Ljungberg as goalscoring inverted wingers, when Guardiola is still playing. Wenger revealed he was once visited by Guardiola, who wanted to join Arsenal and learn from Wenger

  • @EnohtaN
    @EnohtaN2 жыл бұрын

    Haaland?

  • @hackershackers5249
    @hackershackers52492 жыл бұрын

    I am first 😁😁😁

  • @forrealmuyong
    @forrealmuyong2 жыл бұрын

    Sterling the goal scorer😂

  • @markant9534

    @markant9534

    2 жыл бұрын

    He was consistent in the Euros.

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