According to a couple of guys presenting at the British Tunnelling Society a couple of weeks ago. They're going to use a new TBM for one bore and re-use the Long Itchington TBM for the other one. kzread.info/dash/bejne/l6Wbysawj9fQpZs.html

@martinalooksatthings

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting, thank you

@ricktownend9144

Жыл бұрын

Re-use TBMs eh? - what a pity they didn't think of that before, and re-use the Crossrail ones to bore tunnels for HS2 from Old Oak Common parallel to Crossrail, and avoid all the hassle at Euston!

The waste depot you mentioned was an incinerator for household waste.The ramp was to enable the refuse trucks to drive up into the building and deposit their waste into bunkers to be incinerated.Great vid 👍

@longbar2344

Жыл бұрын

don't know how he couldn't have guessed that. i mean i'm thick as mince but knew it as it's obvious

@edwardtreadwell3859

Жыл бұрын

The Waste Depot ( Castle Bromwich) still exists, and no plans to close it either. It is a very busy site for Birmingham waste disposal.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardtreadwell3859 The building shown that every one is talking about at 1:16 is now closed and has been for 30 years or more and has stood idle, the Castle Bromwich public waste site is out of the picture and is just an area of giant waste containers people put that rubbish in, I use this site regularly as a Birmingham Council Tax payer

@AndyR072

Жыл бұрын

Many years ago members of the public could drive up the ramp and dump their rubbish into the pit for the incinerator

Thanks for this - whilst there are small bits of HS2 work visible from the M6, I never realised the massive hole they were digging!

Great vid, I look forward to the next! Would be great to see the sites of Birmingham Interchange and Birmingham Curzon Street stations

The route into Birmingham itself is twisting my head!

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

Why living near this line it is basically strait forward, the HS2 line branches off at Birmingham Interchange station follows the M6 / Solihull feeder road, just outside of Water Orton it tunnel's the River Tame, M6 Viaduct , Chester Road, the Bromford Bridge Council Housing Estate and emerges just after Bromford Lane and then passes the old Metro Cammel Weyman works where Buses and Trains were made and as the video states follows the Birmingham to Derby line into Birmingham City Center where it arrives into Birmingham Curzon Street on a viaduct, nothing to twist your head about pretty straight forward actually.

@ianhudson2193

Жыл бұрын

It's actually very simple

@MannyAntipov

Жыл бұрын

Well, the way it was described overwhelmed me quite a bit

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

@@MannyAntipov Don't know why as it is all planned out

The ramp at the old waste depot was where the bin lorries drove up to deposit waste into a huge hopper inside. An overhead claw would then drop it onto a furnace. The chimney has now been demolished. I remember visiting here to dump household waste with my father, probably late 70s, early 80s. You were allowed to drive right up, reverse to the edge of the hopper and dump it right in.

Most informative: thank you. This was a really useful documentary on the Coleshill to Curzon spur. Might I please offer a suggestion - as an improvement on the next graphic - showing in more detail where the tunnel portals are? Also, with the intermittent changes of direction in your drone shots, maybe have a compass in the graphic, so we know when we are suddenly looking back eastwards during the steady flight westwards to Curzon Street. Either way, big thanks for this video journey.

@martinalooksatthings

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, I am working on having better maps and graphics than a screen recording of me mousing over HS2's website!

Great video, I work on hs2 and had no idea how it was actually getting into town!

some great views of sunny birmingham there! it hadn't occurred to me they would need to a dig tunnel to get into the centre

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

There is only one tunnel from Water Orton to Washwood Heath to go under the River Tame, a large Birmingham municipal Housing Estate, Bromford Bridge and the M6 viaduct and a feeder road

I'm very familiar with all those locations from the ground. But it's fascinating to see them from the air. Thanks a million!

Excellent video. Thank you. Looking forward to the next one.

Nice video, so many places I remember as a child, now in my 70s, looking so different now. Tremendous construction achievement shoehorning HS2 alongside existing infrastructure.

I know there is a lot of people still waiting ✋️ for this massive project to complete ❤️. Thank you for sharing this impressive information with us 🙏. We hope that your keeping well and having a good 👍. Best wishes Simon and Beth👋❤️👋❤️

The detail in your videos is superb… please make more!

Great in depth description again keep these videos coming please!!

Great drone footage! Great content!

Really enjoyed that! Have yourself a new subscriber! Some fun facts. The Bromford estate was built on the site of a former horse racecourse ground. And there was a disused railway station at Bromford Bridge. I can vividly remember watching London Underground brand new stock being towed away from the MetroCam factory along the Washwood Heath Road.

Thank you so much, it was very enlightening. Also a tiny bit frightening as well!

Great video. Super informative. Thank you!

the quality of videos is great. here before the channel blows up :D

Wonderful video, keep them coming!

The big ramp up to the weird waste depot is where, back in the day my dad used to drive up with a car full of junk (including me), reverse up to a huge hole and we used to chuck our junk down the hole. Public safety? Pah! I can still remember the terror of that enormous drop with no barrier of any sort. Happy days!?

@JP_TaVeryMuch

Жыл бұрын

Now picture yourself as the grunt in a 7½ tonne tipper lorry in the same spot on the edge of the precipice as the new driver backs it a bit too close... Get squashed or get pushed into rubbish filled oblivion? I decided to grab onto the truck and shout. Somehow still here thankfully.

@matthewbassett6852

Жыл бұрын

I used to work at ballest Pheonix that had the site for burnt Ash from Tyseley tip incinerator that didn't use the ramp when I was they due to it not been safe for machiney to drive up it

I'm just leaving a comment for the algorithm. Nice videos, I've just subscribed. I like it when KZread recommends a new up and coming channel. I think you'll go far with those wonderful drone shots

Good video. Thanks. Yes, a very busy area.

Great progress ❤

I didn't realise this was the route into Birmingham, as you say a very packed area.

Informative narration and drone shots! Maybe I should one day have a walk around the region as well.

Terrific, thank you .

Great stuff! Please make more!

Im going to be working on this. Start by cable pulling. I cant wait

The ramp at the waste depot is there so that the trucks empty into the top of a pit which usually goes onto recycling sorting or onto the incinerator if there is one

@matthewbassett6852

Жыл бұрын

The ramp no longer gets used to tip wagens at Castle brom and The incinerator is not long there they useit now to process aggregate from the Ash at the incinerator at Tyseley tip Company is called Ballast Pheonix now the tip down own ot anymore

nicely filmed

great stuff man, keep it up : )

I love it that it's the same all through Europe. They tell us a project is done by year X and 5 years later it has even started and won't be done in 1.5y to open on the scheduled date. And because of problems like regulation changes some things need to be redone or changed so the project takes twice as long as told.

@JP_TaVeryMuch

Жыл бұрын

Hooray! At last someone else who takes a step back and remembers not to be so parochial. Too true. All across the rest of Europe, indeed the whole planet, similar delays and cost explosions unfortunately occur.

The ‘weird waste depot’ is a IBA (incinerator Bottom Ash) which takes the ash from domestic rubbish incinerator sites (Energy Recovery Facility) and processes it into a manufactured aggregate, the site is currently operated by Blue Phoenix U.K.

perhaps for the next one lowering the music a bit would make it even better

I would think the ramp is so that trucks can tip into a put rather than a bay, it allows more automation rather than needing a shovel to move it into the processing area

I filmed the entire route in 2018 before the planned tunnel extension. That extra length will be extremely difficult, steep drop down by Parkhall Wood, then low under the waste disposal plant, which will probably collapse into the workings. There's something weird about the place. I mean, how did that thing get to stay and every other industrial site along the route has been swept away. Hm, must check that out

I’ve lived in Birmingham, but luckily always managed to avoid Castle Bromwich 😅 never escaped Aston/Erdington 😩

@georgedowns4034

Жыл бұрын

The last 2 are decent areas

@hbsblkk3842

Жыл бұрын

@@georgedowns4034 lol why are they decent?

@georgedowns4034

Жыл бұрын

@@hbsblkk3842 why r they not?

@hbsblkk3842

Жыл бұрын

@@georgedowns4034 everyone knows what Aston is about.

@georgedowns4034

Жыл бұрын

@Hbsb Lkk ur thinking of Witton. That truly is embarrassing but Aston is ok. Erdington is more than ok definitely

You deserve more than 178 subscribers for the editing and narration

Very interesting and informative but what is the reason for the strange background noise? Fortunately there are captions so I was able to mute it and watch it to the end.

You asked about the ramp. Back in the 80s / 90s they burnt refuge there. I would drive up that ramp and the reverse to the tipping edge, and tip in a massive pit before been loaded into the furnace.

My work has me travelling out of Coleshill through Water Orton, Castle Brom, M6/M42, Tamworth & back again & my lord am I sick of the damn traffic lights & crap over my car from the works vehicles.

@edwardtreadwell3859

Жыл бұрын

Well said. The whole area has been trashed by HS2.

@steveh4290

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardtreadwell3859 - And now they say they are thinking of cutting back costs by making the trains SLOWER making the whole thing even more pointless than before!

The waste depot looks like it could be a WtE (Waste to Energy) plant, in which case the ramp would allow the collection vehicles to unload into the main hopper, without needing a grapple to move the waste from ground level into a hopper, and then into the furnace, this way only one move of the waste to load the furnace pit is required. WtE is a greener alternative to landfill, by using a highly efficient furnace, and various methods to capture pollutants, they have a very small carbon footprint. These are a common way to convert coal powered, power stations away from coal and gas. The piles of grey materials are likely bottom ash, this is what remains after combustion, and is around 23% of what is burnt. These are further refined to recover precious materials such as metals, and then used as an alternative to sand or gravel in construction projects.

@almostanengineer

Жыл бұрын

I’m not an actual engineer, I failed at the maths side of things, but this is my understanding of WfE from my time at Uni, before I dropped out. 😊

@almostanengineer

Жыл бұрын

Having said that, this doesn’t look big enough, neither does it seem to have a grid connection, so if could be an old transfer station, in which as the same basic reason exists, but the grapple would be loading transfer wagons parked in the bays shown on the right. Honestly, I’ve no real idea 😅

@almostanengineer

Жыл бұрын

Having looked further into this, this is a Blue Phoenix processing centre, a specialist in Bottom Ash reprocessing, so I would definitely say that ramp is for loading a hopper, and the council just use the space as parking 😊

@almostanengineer

Жыл бұрын

WtE may be a good topic to do a video on, it’s both engineering, and infrastructure related, and there is a plant in Tyseley 😊

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

it was not a waste to energy waste disposal plant, all you did was drive your vehicle full of rubbish up the ramp and dump it over a barrier and the waste was burnt and the ash disposed of else where.

Subscribed! In future videos please turn the music down so we can hear you more clearly. 2030! A video about the causes of delays would be worthwhile.

Martina: Addresses the logistical problems HS2 faces along the Birmingham corridor Me, hearing the background music:🕺🕺

"Former gas holders" thanks, I was wondering what they were from a previous video of yours.

HS2 will be so beneficial for the West Midlands and the North of England and with the construction of HS2 still happening. Nice shots.

@ncooper8438

Жыл бұрын

I read there's hardly an economic case for connecting hs2 to Birmingham, but since Birmingham is on the route to Manchester they're going to do it.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

@@ncooper8438 HS2 has nothing to do with Manchester as in your ideas, when HS2 was decided on it was always going to be between the UK's Second Largest City, Birmingham and London and the reason was that the existing West Coast route from Birmingham New Street to Euston was grid locked along with Birmingham New Street so as well as speeding up the train service between B/Ham and London putting these trains on to HS2 allows more ordinary trains to use B/Ham New Street and the surrounding routes, so yes there is a economic case for HS2 services between B/Ham and London as all existing services that now use the West Coast route will be transferring to the HS2 Route, taking HS2 to Manchester was decided a short while later.

Great video, but could we have a visual guide?

Ramp could be to allow dump trucks to empty into a pit where a loader can manipulate the waste easier. In US a lot of garage places have these design to allow for local garbage trucks to empty and then this waste is handled or transfered to trains or trucks for longer distance hauling

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

It was just a domestic waste depot and the ramp was just for peoples cars, vans and lorries to go up and dump their domestic waste into a pit where it was incinerated, it has been closed for about 30 years now and is being demolished as t is over the area of a tunnel for the HS2 Railway line.

At 1:11 the so called weird waste depot was a public waste depot owned by Birmingham City Council and the ramp was where people took their vehicle's upto dump their waste which then was incinerated at this site hence the piles of ash, this public waste disposal site has been out of use for at least 35 years laying dormant having been replaces by a new public refuse dump on the same site at the bottom of the picture past the yellow tractors where people just drop their waste into containers, the site of Birmingham Curzon street station at 1:54 is only on a small part of the old Curzon street station site, a larger amount is on an old Cemetery and City park

Would you be able to explain why it appears crews are removing work constructed so far? At the bridge passing the M42 at J9 (Coleshill), I can see for the last few weeks that concrete has been pulled up, with a huge pile of rebar forming. I assumed the concrete might have been temporary for the installation of the bridge, but wouldn't a concrete foundation be required in any case?

@martinalooksatthings

Жыл бұрын

I don't know; I haven't been that way in a few weeks. I'm having car trouble right now but hopefully should be up there shooting an update soon

This area was never a beautiful place from about mid-Victorian times onwards. Industrial development was always taking place here and the River Tame was heavily polluted. . The biggest Spitfire factory in Britain was built at Castle Bromwich, now a Jaguar Land Rover site. There was an aerodrome for air testing on the other side of the Chester Road, and also the British Industries Fair, now the Castle Vale housing estate. Alongside the Jaguar factory was Fort Dunlop where the tyres were made. Birmingham Tramways built a route along the Tyburn Road to Pype Hayes Park with a short spur to the Dunlop factory. And just a bit further east the huge sewage works at Minworth that serves the whole of Birmingham.

@martinalooksatthings

Жыл бұрын

I'm thinking about making a video just about this area, there's a lot going on there

Ramp, trucks parked on it. What do you think it’s for Martina? Unloading!!

@martinalooksatthings

Жыл бұрын

OMG

Fabulous, and informative videos. Thanks. I've subscribed. I'm looking at a new sub 250g drone, and your footage looks great. Which are you using (I'm looing at the Autel Nano +, rather than the DJI ones).

@martinalooksatthings

Жыл бұрын

I'm using a DJI Mini 3 Pro, it looked like the best

@dalmabergo1

Жыл бұрын

@Martina looks at things , thanks, ull have a look atvinevif those. Thanks for the reply - I see you have many comments to get through!

Did they demolish the old Curzon Street station building which stood on its own in a car park? A shame if so but it seemed long-disused and you can’t save / re-use everything 😢

@martinalooksatthings

Жыл бұрын

It's still there! The new station will stretch further into the centre though, so the old building will be alongside it, instead of at the front

I'll watch more

Slow down, make each scene a bit longer and give the viewer time to actually take in what they're looking at. An otherwise informative video.

@trimley

Жыл бұрын

Like most you tubers they need to slow down a little

@AB-hu2uw

Жыл бұрын

SLOW DOWN THE VIDEO YOURSELF ON THE SETTING BUTTON LOL

@theboardshorts

Жыл бұрын

Tap the video Tap the "Settings" icon Select "Playback Speed" Choose your desired 'slow-ness' (May I suggest trying 0.75 to begin with) 🙂

@TDSWar

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s slightly too slow, but him speaking is at the correct pace

@phweakwilled

Жыл бұрын

I like the pace and the music works well. Unusually quick but that’s makes it more exciting

Birmingham looks beautiful

@JP_TaVeryMuch

Жыл бұрын

If you close your eyes!

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

@@JP_TaVeryMuch Why if you close your eyes !!, you would be surprised how beautiful Birmingham City center is now it has been rebuilt and modernised.

@JP_TaVeryMuch

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwilliamallen1063 I know, I know. I was being facetious. There's the long lasting beauty of the Victorian civic buildings and a couple of decent new constructions, especially the library. Nevertheless, it suffers from the sixties obsession with motorways like many middle England cities, perhaps moreso than others.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

@@JP_TaVeryMuch Have you ever visited Birmingham Recently, Birmingham has altered the city center Queensway with cars banned from the City Center with only buses and trams in the City Center, around East side and the City Center it s all new modern buildings, but around Colemore Row and towards the Jewellery Quarter it is all Edwardian Buildings so no wounder people get a bad idea of Birmingham when people who do not know what Birmingham looks like makes snidey comments.

@JP_TaVeryMuch

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwilliamallen1063 I've not been to the second city for a long time. Seeing parts of it on the BBC during the Commonwealth Games is not quite the same, but I was part of the entourage of lady who designed and built the Selfridge store. Then one day all were given the heave~ho with five minutes notice. Nice!

What would be the travel duration between London and B'ham?

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

50 mins on HS2 against 90 mins on the present WCML route

👍

Fundamental flaw to make Curzon St a terminus. Carry on tunneling out the other side and continue north.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

It can not be done and would cost to much to do.

Interesting video and good commentary, but why the silly music? What Martina has to say is quite sufficient to keep our interest.

@mrglide7078

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Great vid but lose the 'music' or turn it down 👍

@Samuel_J1

Жыл бұрын

I quite like the music separately from the video, but it is a bit loud in places, making it difficult to hear Martina

Interesting vid, thank you. The HS2 project is an engineering marvel. Is it necessary? I dont know.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

Yes it is necessary to improve train services

@edwardtreadwell3859

Жыл бұрын

No, totally unnecessary and 10 years away with costs spiralling out of control.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardtreadwell3859 Yes totally necessary to relieve total gridlock at Birmingham New Street Station and the West Coast Main Line which in turn frees up this route and increases capacity on other routes around the Country.

Into the car spares and junk yard?

I know this question is not about the Brum end of HS2, but can you tell me why the line will tunnel under the Chilterns? HS rail handles steep gradients with aplomb (1 in 40 is nothing for the TGV for instance) so surely a great deal of money could have been saved by simply using cuttings and maybe the odd short tunnel to pass through these insignificant hills rather than the massive tunnels now being constructed?

@martinalooksatthings

Жыл бұрын

It's probably less for engineering reasons than to try to placate the people on the surface who would object to it being there

@johnneville403

Жыл бұрын

You're absolutely right. The Chilterns are only designated an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, so it genuinely baffles me why people would care about them.

@gzk6nk

Жыл бұрын

@@johnneville403 Well they don't do they? have you not seen that MASSIVE scar the M40 makes through the Chilterns at Stokenchurch? Maybe ALL roads and ALL railways should be underground - towns, too. Oh, and power lines. Why not if one follows your flawed logic?

@gzk6nk

Жыл бұрын

@@martinalooksatthings Too right. The Chiltern NIMBYs who moan about the cost while greatly inflating that cost!

@johnneville403

Жыл бұрын

@@gzk6nk Spot on. Who cares about these so-called "Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty". Slab them over, I say. It's a genuine mystery how people manage to get to Birmingham from London with only two existing rail networks and two motorways.

What’s the tune?

@martinalooksatthings

Жыл бұрын

It was from the KZread Audio Library; Invisible Enemy by Jeremy Black

Oh crud! I thought this was Birmingham Alabama!! Ha!! My head was spinning.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

Why would you think this is Birmingham Alabama

@jmac1466

Жыл бұрын

Cause I live in USA and when I heard Birmingham, I didn’t think about UK.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

@@jmac1466 Birmingham UK is the main City in the world called Birmingham, it is the UK's Second largest City with a population of 1.5 + million citizens and Birmingham Alabama USA was named after Birmingham UK.

Tight

Given the massive promotion of Manchester to second city status, especially by the bbc, wouldn't it be ironic if hs2 to Manchester was severely delayed!?

@edwardtreadwell3859

Жыл бұрын

Manchester will never be the second city. It's population is less than half Birmingham's 1.25 million.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

Sorry you must be living on clowd cookoo land, since when has the City of Manchester was suddenly promoted to the position of Second City from 8th position, has the City of Manchester suddenly crammed over 1 million citizens into it's small City boundary and the BBC has nothing like Manchester United in what position a City is and to add to the fact the BBC studios are not in Manchester they are at Salford Keys in the City of Salford which basically is a separate City to Manchester, a bit like saying Coventry is Birmingham and the BBC actually say Birmingham is the UK 's second largest City and the reason why Brum is number 2 is the fact it has the largest City Council in the UK ,the City of Birmingham has a population of over 1.5 million citizens and the City is 150 miles square in area, in comparison the City of Manchester has a population of 580,000 citizens and an area of just 50 sq miles and the position of o a cities status is decided on it's population size not the BBC, so who is bothered if HS2 got delayed to Manchester at least it will be on time to it's HQ and Second City, the City of Birmingham

@ncooper8438

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwilliamallen1063 Birmingham has a bigger population but in terms of media coverage on the BBC and Apple news for example it hardly gets a mention, and its a large deprived area which is not improving very fast. Manchester has 2 top flight football teams and a proper international airport and more visitors per head of population, and a strong reputation for science and innovation. Birmingham is just playing catch up. There's more to a city than just numbers of people.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

@@ncooper8438 Do you know anything about the UK mate, the reason that Birmingham is designated the Second City of the UK not only by the UK Government, but by the Media such as ITV, the BBC and Sky TV is that it is the Second City due to it's population size and that is it and Birmingham's population is 3 times the size of Manchester's, Birmingham has a large International Airport that is also used by the RAF and the English Football team to fly out of due to Brums closeness to the England teams training ground and since the 2022 Commonwealth Games tourism has shot through the roof in Birmingham, Birmingham also has the largest German Xmas market outside of Germany that draws tourists from all over the country, Brum has always been strong in industry and forward thinking and not only that has the UK's top Cardiology/Cancer Hospital in the country where the Heart Pacemaker was developed, the Queen Elizabeth Medical Hospital in Edgbaston and Sorry Birmingham does not need to catch up with any thing and yes there is a lot more to a City than just the numbers of people but the zist of it is that it is the numbers of people that populate a City that puts it in the position of status it is, oh by the Way the BBC are now building a new TV Studio in Birmingham in Digbeth.

@ncooper8438

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwilliamallen1063 I forgot to mention that according to government figures there is almost no economic case for connecting hs2 to Birmingham only, hs2 is only deemed economic (by gov) because its also connecting to Manchester. If it really is only its population that makes Brum the second city then you win.

The Birmingham to Old Oak Common railway is inching towards completion. Still nobody can say what a ticket will cost.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

And to London Euston.

@edwardtreadwell3859

Жыл бұрын

The whole project is a disaster. Don't get me started!.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardtreadwell3859 No the whole project IS NOT A DISASTER, it is necessary for future railway improvements so get started

@chairmakerPete

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardtreadwell3859 our response is to compound the disaster in the hope that'll make it better! We're quite literally mad.

@edwardtreadwell3859

Жыл бұрын

@@chairmakerPete Absolutely!. Too much damage has already been done, and this is only the early days. I was stuck in traffic queues 2 miles long today......why?.......because HS2 have had a major A road coned down to single file traffic which has to be traffic light controlled. It takes 4 changes of lights often to get through. Traffic fumes galore!. But hey!. Who cares?. HS2 certainly don't!.

Interesting video….. but please slow down in talking so I can absorb what your saying!! Regardless I’ve subscribed to hear more 👌🏻

Some excellent detail here and very informative. Two points however, first is the speed of the sections is a tad fast. Give us time to take in the visual information. Secondly as a member of the older generation my ears grate at the letter H being pronounced ‘haitch’. It is ‘aitch’.

@rjmun580

Жыл бұрын

In Northern Ireland one religious group says haitch and the other correctly says aitch.

Cameron's folly

@edwardtreadwell3859

Жыл бұрын

Actually this was originally planned by PM Gordon Brown in 2009

Just a reminder that HS2 is projected to cost OVER £150 BILLION.

Why will it no longer be complete in 2026?!

@edwardtreadwell3859

Жыл бұрын

Stage One is due to open 2032/3 as per the announcement in January.

@KILLER.KNIGHT

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardtreadwell3859 What about Curzon Street Railway Station? Will that still be finished in 2026?

@edwardtreadwell3859

Жыл бұрын

@@KILLER.KNIGHT I honestly don't know about Curzon St. It can't be used until the track and trains are ready. They are talking 10 years from now.

@KILLER.KNIGHT

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardtreadwell3859 I know. I’m just wondering because of the eyesore.

@edwardtreadwell3859

Жыл бұрын

@@KILLER.KNIGHT I know exactly what you mean!.

Why do they keep delaying everything?!

@ianhudson2193

Жыл бұрын

Ask the pointless protesters who repeatedly delayed it....

@georgedowns4034

Жыл бұрын

@Ian hudson yeh I guess there's them but other stuff as well. I think covid restrictions idk

@tee1796

Жыл бұрын

@@ianhudson2193 pointless?

@ianhudson2193

Жыл бұрын

@@georgedowns4034 Yeah...covid hasn't helped but ultimately the pointless little nimbys have had quite an effect.....unnecessarily delaying things so long that cost rose and they have to rebudget things.... .......its one of those wierd things about pointless protesters......they'll delay something for no reason then complain the cost has gone up and how long it's going to take..... You'd certainly never employ one to analyse cause and effect!!🤣🤣

@georgedowns4034

Жыл бұрын

@Tee I get where they are coming from but quite frankly this new rail line will bring a lot of benefits & all they ate doing I delaying it and like Ian said, make thinks even worse. It's obviously gonna get built so I don't rly know what the point of it is...

Crickey that area is bleak

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

I actually live in this area, the reason the area looks bleak is because this is actually a building site for HS2, hidden in the mist in the back ground are houses and parks of Birmingham.

@terrygrimley9650

Жыл бұрын

It is bleak, but growing up in East Birmingham I also used to find it impressively tough. There's no getting away from the fact that this is - or was - a great industrial city. In the video you see the remains of two large gas holders which have only recently been demolished, further reducing the industrial drama of the skyline. The very large cleared site which will become the HS2 depot was once home to the Metropolitan Carriage and Wagon Works (later Alstom), where more than a century of train building ranged from several generations of London tube stock to the Tyneside Metro trains which are about to be retired, Pendolinos and the first generation of Eurostar trains. Don't underestimate the contribution of this area to UK history: my grandparents and two aunts were killed in 1940 as the Luftwaffe tried to hit war production in this corridor.

@choncord

Жыл бұрын

It's winter 🥶.

@JP_TaVeryMuch

Жыл бұрын

@@choncord It's Brum

The waste depot is Perry Barr tip, the ram is for rubbish lorries to reverse up and tip into the incinerator

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

This waste depot shown is not the one at Perry Barr, this depot is at the Castle Bromwich waste disposal site near Castle Vale and was supposed to be demolished to make way for a tunnel entrance for HS2 to tunnel under the Bromford Bridge Council housing estate, but it seems that they have changed their minds and they have decided to make the tunnel entrance about a mile further back at Water Orton, Perry Barr is about 5 miles from this site. The reason I know this I visit this Birmingham City Council refuse site on a regular basis

as i see it , where you look at other videos of hs2 ,i would like to see more effort put in to show the clearings for where the track is going to run ,rather than seeing water holes ,piles of dirt. everywhere all the landscaping can be do afterwards once the track is laid ,to much idling about and hanging the job out,should be more resources on building the bridges amd so forth ,engineers know where there are going, right rant over ,thanks for video look forward to the next one

It's an absolute disgrace to think they've been in offices near Snow Hill station since circa 2015 and f**k all has been done on this in the last seven years. How many billions is going to paid on the years of delay this is taking.

Aitch

@martinalooksatthings

Жыл бұрын

When I was in school it was haitch, and I never knew it was controversial until I got on youtube

@davidbrown5185

Жыл бұрын

@@martinalooksatthings sorry to be pedantic. It’s not contentious. Look up in the dictionary. It’s under A. I am, of course aware that many young people now pronounce it with an H, so, as language evolves, it may become adopted. 😊

@martinalooksatthings

Жыл бұрын

Oh I'm plenty pedantic myself about other things, maybe in future videos I'll rant about misuse of 'forensic' or 'electrocution' 😂

@davidbrown5185

Жыл бұрын

@@martinalooksatthings 👍👍👍👍. Maybe I was a teacher for too long. 😂

It's aitch, not haitch.

Informative but too disjointed!! Why so long an overrun? Not to mention the spiralling costs!! Just don't see how so many experts in their fields can be so wrong. Admittedly without the infrastructure in the way, the L&B was built with spades and wheel barrows in five years.

The whole project is a waste of money, yes the capacity is needed but laying tracks that can allow trains to run at 225mph and getting the rolling stock that can run at that speed is where most of the cost is going. The UK is trying to build a concorde type railway and we all saw what happened to that.

@edwardtreadwell3859

Жыл бұрын

Last week they said 225mph would not be possible, also the number of trains per hour would be reduced from 18 to 10.

I'm not a fan of the total destruction of the surrounding countryside at all water orton once a rural village now looks like a NASA launch site for instance most the small shrubs and trees they've planted have died and I don't believe that the removal of mature oaks etc is good at all even when it's all done yet decades away the noise pollution from 140 decibels will hardly be attractive to any form of nature they have spent 10 billion with a further 190 billion yet to spend with talk of it ever being completed which through a recession to me isn't a good idea when the cash would be better spent elsewhere like the NHS or re vamping our existing rail network which is failing ....but a very informative video thank you

@JP_TaVeryMuch

Жыл бұрын

It_is_revamping the existing network. Far from being designed to whisk rich Londoners away from up norf, it's all about releasing capacity for more local, commuter and freight traffic on the existing lines. Fewer cars, fewer lorries: got to be a good thing, no?

@cholloway0046

Жыл бұрын

The existing network is failing which is *exactly* why HS2 is being built. The less we have to depend on outdated lines the better. Speaking frankly, you cannot build 100 miles of anything without running into some mature trees. The good thing is that infrastructure projects like HS2 are legally mandated to provide a net environmental gain. No not every shrub is going to live, but building new ecological spaces is a gradual process. Interestingly, almost nobody comments about how much of the land was previously used for intensive farming - which results in zero wildlife. Noise pollution is non-issue given the primary use of cuttings and tunnels along the route - that's before accounting for the number of cars and planes that won't be creating noise as a result of HS2. In terms of cost... there is an initial investment with any new infrastructure, though the life of HS2 is going to pay back the initial investment easily. But ask yourself which is going to be cheaper to operate: weather susceptible, capacity bound existing lines - or new routes utilising modern technology to maximise capacity and commercial viability? I should point out that the NHS is another institution stuck with ageing assets from the 1960s - and it could certainly do with more technology. Having said that, heath and railways are two different budgets and there is more than enough scope to do both.

@mattgoodchild8215

Жыл бұрын

A very well written reply but to witness the destruction of beautiful rural countryside where I grew up and to see the mature trees being felled with eggs and chicks falling from the upper branches the small brooks and ponds being removed and leveled is very upsetting I live with the destruction daily and has affected my life in a big way ...The official HS2 videos only show us what they want us to see I've seen acres of newly planted trees die ...what also worries me is further project we can't just keep ripping up our green spaces in the name of so called progress i don't think it's the answer at all ....The cost the destruction the time it's taking just dosent add up to me the money would surely have been better spent upgrading our currently failing rail network .....Each to their own but my thoughts remain the same

@cholloway0046

Жыл бұрын

@@mattgoodchild8215 I respect your reply and I think your reasons are very personal to you, which is a good a thing. My only comment is that at this point you are experiencing only the costs of construction without the benefits that the finished project might bring to you (which is not ideal for anyone). I wish you a positive outcome when the railway is complete and the ecology is restored.

@mattgoodchild8215

Жыл бұрын

The HS2 wouldn't benefit me in any way ill be long gone by the time it's finished I personally don't no anyone who likes it only maybe people that live way from the destruction because they haven't seen it Once where there where meadows and woods full of blue bells gauze bushes full of long tailed tits meadow pipits sky larks lapwings wood peckers slow worms sand lizards grass snakes etc which are all protected have all gone and now a small town of Living quarters storage for equipment and huge tarmac car park in its place ....I'd love to no the ratio of for and against ...I've spoken to people that have had their lives devastated because of being forced from their homes with compulsory purchase ....nothing has stopped the HS2 whether it's lived in protected green belt s.s.s.i or not and with talk of it never reaching heuston and having to catch another local train seems ridiculous can't Imagine that extra train being on time ....i can't see 1 good thing about the HS2 in any way it also runs through 40 ancient wood lands with other rare species like the night jar rare bats the list is endless .....enjoy your train ride as most of the journey will be looking at miles of grey ugly concrete ....Most people won't be able to afford the tickets any way

I work in South Birmingham and this project has been nothing but a pain in the arse not to mention the anxiety caused by the sheer destruction of the woodlands. I'm not a tree hugger but this is disgraceful.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

it doesn't run in South Birmingham, it runs through East Birmingham and what woodlands has it destroyed, because it hasn't affected so called ancient woodlands in Washwood heath east Birmingham as they do not exist these ancient woodlands you mention.

@tonyubr

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwilliamallen1063 absolute rubbish. You clearly have very little idea of the local geography. I've been driving through here for 22years from Coventry to Chelmsley wood and all through Kenilworth where I live and it's disgusting so shut up

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

@@tonyubr Well tonyubr, I live in the area and yes I know my geography mate and the area HS2 runs through Birmingham is Duddeston, Saltley, Washwood Heath, Bromford, Castle Bromwich and Water Orton which is East Birmingham, the local Hospital being East Birmingham Hospital / Heartlands Hospital. South Birmingham is Rednal and Longbridge area and no trees or woodlands have been destroyed as land used for HS2 is old Railway land and tunneling under Bromford, Chelmsley Wood is not Birmingham it is a part of Solihull and has nothing to do with Birmingham neither has Coventry, the only connection these places have to Birmingham is that they are a part of the West Midland combined authority, so for 22 years you have been travelling blind mate. So again you are one of the Snobs of Kenelworth who commute through these areas into Birmingham that litter our area by chucking your rubbish out of car windows while standing in traffic jams instead of taking it home and no it is not disgusting mate and no I wont shut up mate

@ChrisRamsbottom

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwilliamallen1063 Plenty of ancient woodlands destroyed in the stretch to the southeast of Birmingham, through Warwickshire.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

@@ChrisRamsbottom You and others keep going on about woodland being destroyed in building HS2, so is woodland destroyed when the build a Motor way or Bye pass or up grade a road, build a new Housing estate but no one complains then, the deference is when HS2 is complete new trees will be planted in about 50 to 60 years time they will mature. if you want to see the desecration of woodland one place to look is the road into Barmouth along the estuary a whole swaith of pine trees are being chopped down in the name of trade, the other thing thousands of trees were chopped down during Tudor times and before that to build ships, carts and towns so it is nothing new

What a wicked waste of funds.

A big white elephant no one but the rich will be able to travel on

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

No ordinary people will be travelling on HS2 trains from the North and Birmingham as this will be the only route

@terrygrimley9650

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwilliamallen1063 I've read this comment three times and still have no idea what it means.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

@@terrygrimley9650 What about a Council General public waste disposal depot that has been closed for years

A massive white elephant ,how long will this comment last

Cheap Ass surface turn back solution, should have been a tunnel right under the city….!

@mrglide7078

Жыл бұрын

Imagine that. The pearl clutchers of Bucks and the anti modern rent-a-mob (read 'environmentalists') would be having a collective heart attack at the increased cost of that

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

There is no way you could tunnel under Birmingham City Center plus there is no reason as the line terminates in the East Side area of Birmingham City Center at Curzon Street Station.

@johnwebster3224

Жыл бұрын

Where too!

Please stop saying Haitch. The word is Aitch. It's driving me crazy.

how wildlife is going be destroyed on the route of HS2 how many hedgehogs will die. this country had high speed line from Manchester to London dr beaching close the line ln 1968

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

No Hedgehogs will die and the line you are on about, the old Great Central line would of been of no use as it goes no where near Birmingham

And now it won't actually go into London......and they are considering cancellation..........

@stephengentle2815

Жыл бұрын

It goes to Euston, which is very much in London… I don’t know where those rumours came from, but they were immediately rebutted as false. Also, nobody serious is talking about cancelling the project, that's just nonsense.

@rjmun580

Жыл бұрын

"they are considering cancellation ......" Rather a vague statement. Who are `they` ?

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

Where did you get this crap from, Chinese whispers I presume, NO they are not cancelling HS2 as it is being built now and YES it will actually go into London Euston, false information given out by the papers, the Sun especially

@tacfoley4443

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwilliamallen1063 I guess that the Sun was wrong then - wouldn't be the first time.

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

@@tacfoley4443 Yes the Sun was totally wrong and jumping the Gun, why would any person pay to get to London and then get turfed off at Old Oak common and have to rough it on a London commuter line into London.

Get rid of the tinnitus music! It's annoying and unnecessary

Just one MASSIVE waste of money

What a disaster. Whoever gave the green light for this should be serving time.

@terrygrimley9650

Жыл бұрын

That will be most MPs from the last decade, then. HS2 has never failed to be voted through comfortably at every stage.

@edwardtreadwell3859

Жыл бұрын

@@terrygrimley9650 13 years actually!. Gordon Brown started the project.

Good video but what a waste of money.

if anyone has any Dumper Work could you let me know, thank you

My uni dorms was demolished after we moved out in summer 2018, on curzon street. Birmingham is not a nice city to live in or work in. Seeing the Ariel shots of Birmingham just reminds me of how awful a city it is. Looks like the worlds dirtiest industries vomited all over it, and there’s bits of trees trying to grow amongst it. They’ve prettied up the centre and hired extra cleaning staff for the commonwealth games but it’s back to being a litter covered, pollution smelling, headache inducing cesspit. There’s a better way to design and grow cities, Birmingham doesn’t seem to care

@martinalooksatthings

Жыл бұрын

I think one of the main problems is the city always seems to be chasing the latest fad and destroying itself to be rebuilt again. Always another masterplan, another big regeneration project, and no maintenance. This will of course be looked at in more detail in a future video...

@peterwilliamallen1063

Жыл бұрын

Oh my what has rattled your brain about Birmingham, this site looks rough as it is at the moment the building site of the HS2 line and Birmingham Curzon Street Station and when it is finished it will be looking smart, Birmingham is very smart City and no city is perfect, if you want to see a City of dereliction and Grafitee, go to Milan or Naples.

@squarepinapples9116

Жыл бұрын

@@martinalooksatthings that’s exactly how I feel about Birmingham, those that are deciding these plans and where money is spent seem to ignore the real problems in the city. Birmingham is ideally located for being the capital of England and the rest of the United Kingdom.

@squarepinapples9116

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwilliamallen1063 nothing wrong with artistic graffiti, or even derelict buildings, especially if there’s interesting history behind it. It’s the inconsiderate planning and mismatched infrastructure that irritates me, and maybe being landlocked, not much fresh air, and a lot of polluted air circling, for all the car based transportation and heavy industry. And for reference I’m from a city that is often labelled as the UK’s worst or ugliest city. (It’s not, it was just bombed very heavily, and the on going fallout from that has lead to some suspect looking buildings in between history marking architecture.) even with a low budget and little attention from central government, our city is making a good go of growing/expanding and modernisation, without the decimation of neighbourhoods and prioritising vanity projects.