How GOOD was Black Kyurem ACTUALLY? - History of Black Kyurem in Competitive Pokemon

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  • @stevenmattrell3448
    @stevenmattrell3448 Жыл бұрын

    Kyurem: *Has big fists but can’t learn Ice Punch Wooper: *Has no arms but can learn Ice Punch

  • @dantheman4139

    @dantheman4139

    Жыл бұрын

    That because wooper is a good boy he has the big rip arms unlike kyruem weak baby Drago

  • @sekaihunter9378

    @sekaihunter9378

    Жыл бұрын

    @@dantheman4139 It's fine. Once that good boy continues to be unaware of the danger surrounding it then Kyurem would just ignore its Unaware with Teravolt and obliterate it to dust.

  • @IgnitedQuils

    @IgnitedQuils

    Жыл бұрын

    Wooper did stop learning Ice Punch in SV but I do agree.

  • @fishbot9902

    @fishbot9902

    Жыл бұрын

    I assume that wooper uses its tail to use ice punch

  • @dantheman4139

    @dantheman4139

    Жыл бұрын

    @@fishbot9902 no he's whole body is the fist wooper doesn't need arms that how strong wooper is

  • @BlackArche0ps
    @BlackArche0ps Жыл бұрын

    The difference of Black Kyurem without good stab vs Black Kyurem with stab was insane

  • @IgnitedQuils

    @IgnitedQuils

    Жыл бұрын

    Not to mention it being suspect tested a few months after its debut due to those aforementioned flaws. White Kyurem would have met the same fate if it lacked coverage and at least a spammable STAB.

  • @logandunleavy7955

    @logandunleavy7955

    Жыл бұрын

    458am p e,. 8

  • @logandunleavy7955

    @logandunleavy7955

    Жыл бұрын

    Tree

  • @melvondrewhite2674

    @melvondrewhite2674

    Жыл бұрын

    Ultra Necrozma >>>>>>Black Kyruem/White Kyruem .

  • @StoicForce

    @StoicForce

    Жыл бұрын

    Sounds like a parallel to Aerodactyl, who unfortunately still lacks either Head Smash or Brave Bird.

  • @deltalord6969
    @deltalord6969 Жыл бұрын

    Kyurem black is a shining example that even a Pokémon with absurd stats needs good stab moves to be viable in competitive.

  • @christiancinnabars1402

    @christiancinnabars1402

    Жыл бұрын

    Or in more general terms, stats don't matter if you have nothing to abuse it with. Another good example is Luxray, with it usually having to use Thunderbolt despite having base 120 Attack. Or any Electric-type physical attacker, for that matter. And also any special attacking Rock-types, which have to rely on Power Gem, an 80 bp move.

  • @nicholasaugello2534

    @nicholasaugello2534

    Жыл бұрын

    @@christiancinnabars1402 Doesn't luxray get thunder fang?

  • @KazShiro

    @KazShiro

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nicholasaugello2534 Even so it's not as strong as wild charge which alone is a risky move. It's like the situation for flareon where it's strongest physical fire move is fire fang while flare blitz too is a risk for it being it's best move to utilize it's high attack.

  • @thunderbirds9001

    @thunderbirds9001

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nicholasaugello2534 a pitiful 65 bp with 95 accuracy on it tho

  • @IgnitedQuils

    @IgnitedQuils

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nicholasaugello2534Base 65 is not that strong enough. There’s also Mamoswine in Gen 4 that also lacked a strong physical Ice STAB (Icicle Spear which was base 10, and Ice Fang) but made it up with decent speed, attack, priority Ice Shard, and strong coverage/STAB combo.

  • @CoralReaper707
    @CoralReaper707 Жыл бұрын

    It was honestly really bittersweet seeing Black Kyurem leave OU. I kinda like the idea of a box art legendary chilling out in OU Edit: Zamazenta has arrived in gen 9 OU and I am proud of my shield doggo

  • @user-nb3yw5rk5o

    @user-nb3yw5rk5o

    Жыл бұрын

    zamazenta in gen 9

  • @radvil

    @radvil

    Жыл бұрын

    ZAMAZENTA being UU in Nat Dex be like

  • @HylianWindRider

    @HylianWindRider

    Жыл бұрын

    Suicune since inception:

  • @CoralReaper707

    @CoralReaper707

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HylianWindRider Ok fair, Suicine was technically a box art legend, but it's bst was meager compared to Black Kyurem and Zamazenta.

  • @CoralReaper707

    @CoralReaper707

    Жыл бұрын

    @@radvil yes, but it got banned from UU lmao

  • @SemiHypercube
    @SemiHypercube Жыл бұрын

    The fact that a _box legendary_ was in OU and not Ubers for 3 generations is still wild

  • @Alexcoman51

    @Alexcoman51

    Жыл бұрын

    Actually it has a higher stat total than most other cover legends (only tied w kyurem white)

  • @stonalisa3729

    @stonalisa3729

    Жыл бұрын

    He didn’t have a solid physical stab ice move

  • @Dispencerhere

    @Dispencerhere

    Жыл бұрын

    @@stonalisa3729 Well as all things in the world, many things let to it's decsend into ou. But not having a good move? The most ridicuolos thing i've seen

  • @naganut9718

    @naganut9718

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Dispencerhere It lacks coverage HARD

  • @Drakorre

    @Drakorre

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Dispencerhere considering that icicle spear was enought to make It to ubers Yes

  • @clash_king1025
    @clash_king1025 Жыл бұрын

    It’s absurd that Gamefreak didn’t give this mon any physical ice moves until Gen 8 I would’ve imagined at least ice shard in Gen 6, maybe ice punch At least he got it eventually I guess

  • @stonalisa3729

    @stonalisa3729

    Жыл бұрын

    I didn’t even know he finally got ice stab. Which moves did he get

  • @clash_king1025

    @clash_king1025

    Жыл бұрын

    @@stonalisa3729 Icicle spear. While inconsistent, STAB is still STAB, and is still very strong on a base 170 attack Pokèmon. He got dragon dance in Gen 8 as well so he was pretty guaranteed to go to Ubers

  • @mr.krustykrust

    @mr.krustykrust

    Жыл бұрын

    Well to be fair it’s movepool is based off of kyurem base. Kyurem base having ice punch makes no sense since it doesn’t have any arms to punch with. Ice shard tho, it definitely should’ve gotten it

  • @KazShiro

    @KazShiro

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mr.krustykrust it could use it's head for punching. It's like how Alakazam can still use iron tail despite losing its tail on evolution

  • @IgnitedQuils

    @IgnitedQuils

    Жыл бұрын

    It makes me wonder how it’ll be if it returns in Gen 9. Since Icicle Spear is not a TM. Hoping Game Freak gives it Ice Spinner.

  • @golemofwill4728
    @golemofwill4728 Жыл бұрын

    This thing really looks like a monster with the gen 5 sprite. Like all that power is almost forcing it onto all fours but it barely stands. And the glow of electricity. Wish we got this level of detail in newer games.

  • @Red-MagicOrchestra

    @Red-MagicOrchestra

    Жыл бұрын

    I love it when kyurem slams the ground so hard

  • @KenBladehart

    @KenBladehart

    Жыл бұрын

    There are sad subset of people think the 3D models are better I dont understand them

  • @vegetalover9297

    @vegetalover9297

    Жыл бұрын

    @@KenBladehart lol

  • @cassiopeiathew7406

    @cassiopeiathew7406

    Жыл бұрын

    The 3D models are only really better in isolated instances, like Hoppip looks cuter in 3D (specifically) than in 2D. Maybe Pokémon Snap is what they mean but even then it’s debatable.

  • @---oq5kb

    @---oq5kb

    Жыл бұрын

    Gen 5 fans are the new genwunners.

  • @Smallsmallrose
    @Smallsmallrose Жыл бұрын

    Kyurem Black is one of the most extreme examples of the Rampardos theorem. Having all the power in the universe, but having a type and movepool that held it back from instant ubers status.

  • @hallymiao2825

    @hallymiao2825

    Жыл бұрын

    And too slow. If it had 10 more speed, it would be too much for OU even with the bad movepool.

  • @Smallsmallrose

    @Smallsmallrose

    Жыл бұрын

    @@BLUEBOYISLEDGE Oh its by no means bad, its just an interesting pokemon, being the only box legend that dipped it's feet in OU.

  • @nerdyfalco408

    @nerdyfalco408

    Жыл бұрын

    @@BLUEBOYISLEDGE it's standard should be UBERS, and there's where it's bad

  • @nerdyfalco408

    @nerdyfalco408

    Жыл бұрын

    @@BLUEBOYISLEDGE I'm pretty sure its stats are self explanatory, also all box art legends are defaluted to UBERS for a reason. You don't need to defend B-kyurem this much, it's not your fault if it's trash in UBERS

  • @nerdyfalco408

    @nerdyfalco408

    Жыл бұрын

    @@BLUEBOYISLEDGE "The absolute state of 1100 ELO players" and then you don't know the difference between an uber and suicune, man I don't even know what you are arguing against

  • @sammcguire3798
    @sammcguire3798 Жыл бұрын

    Crazy how all B!Kyurem needed was more STAB physical moves, especially Ice moves, and it would've had a completely different story in competitive.

  • @musiyevonchilla6769

    @musiyevonchilla6769

    Жыл бұрын

    Ice Punch for all sake would've been enough imo

  • @chasefray

    @chasefray

    Жыл бұрын

    iirc it also got ddance in the same gen it got banned but physical ice stab would've been amazing

  • @lop0998

    @lop0998

    Жыл бұрын

    icicle crash CB kyurem black

  • @AverageHandle_

    @AverageHandle_

    Жыл бұрын

    Should’ve also had Eq, just look at it

  • @ZunkleFunkle
    @ZunkleFunkle Жыл бұрын

    This thumbnail made me realize that Kyurem Black's iced and non-iced parts flipped sides at some point.

  • @dalejandre1

    @dalejandre1

    Жыл бұрын

    Oh wow, I never noticed that

  • @christiancinnabars1402

    @christiancinnabars1402

    Жыл бұрын

    It seems to be a thumbnail error, since Kyurem's iced arm is always on its left in official depictions. The mismatched one looks to be its Pokemon Home iteration, but flipped in an image editor, giving that impression (Pokemon Home has it facing right, for some reason, while other depictions have it face left).

  • @ZunkleFunkle

    @ZunkleFunkle

    Жыл бұрын

    @@christiancinnabars1402 oh dope, thank you for the clarification!

  • @formula091
    @formula091 Жыл бұрын

    I love that they wanted to make a physical and special based form for Kyurem... but Kyurem was already a special attacker and didn't add any substantial physical moves to the original's learnset. Classic GF moment

  • @goGothitaLOL

    @goGothitaLOL

    Жыл бұрын

    no Earthquake or even Superpower

  • @IgnitedQuils

    @IgnitedQuils

    Жыл бұрын

    @@goGothitaLOLWhat’s even sadder is how the box legends (not counting the Legendary Beasts) ALL knew Earthquake. Starting from Gen 5, they distributed it less among the main legendaries. So only Zygarde, Solgaleo and Necrozma know it.

  • @zyella277

    @zyella277

    Жыл бұрын

    @@goGothitaLOL or Icicle Crash, or ice Shard (which couldve be atleast occasionly usefull for white/base aswell since priority is always good to have), or Night Slash (which fits with its lore from bw1 for base kyurem) or ice fang/crunch, or dragon rush for hone claws to make use of

  • @goGothitaLOL

    @goGothitaLOL

    Жыл бұрын

    @@IgnitedQuils just realized since Gen 6 there are more recent box-legendary with Close Combat (Xerneas, Sogaleo, Zacian, Zamazenta, Koraidon) than they are those with Earthquake

  • @horodoomwolf

    @horodoomwolf

    Жыл бұрын

    @@zyella277 Having Night Slash would have been crucial for Kyurem-Black in Gen 8 Ubers because of Necrozma-Dusk Mane

  • @naganut9718
    @naganut9718 Жыл бұрын

    I will never understand why GameFreak didn't gave it Earthquake or Icicle Crash. Those are the only two moves it needed and that's it

  • @TunaBear64

    @TunaBear64

    Жыл бұрын

    And seriously, look at it and tell me it can't learn Ice PUNCH, you can't right?

  • @shadowtitanx3962

    @shadowtitanx3962

    Жыл бұрын

    Wooper and Gastly trolling.

  • @IschmarVI

    @IschmarVI

    Жыл бұрын

    @@shadowtitanx3962 Gastly can punch with its tongue. Wooper .... is a different story.

  • @MisterSleep1123

    @MisterSleep1123

    Жыл бұрын

    @@IschmarVI wooper IS the fist

  • @goGothitaLOL

    @goGothitaLOL

    Жыл бұрын

    Remember how long Beartic didn't had Earthquake? It only just now learns it in S/V

  • @PsychoticEevee
    @PsychoticEevee Жыл бұрын

    Apparently the problem with Kyurem in the movie was that the writers weren't aware of the nature of Kyurem's transformations until way too late into production

  • @Salmon_Toastie

    @Salmon_Toastie

    Жыл бұрын

    On b2 w2 announce I was like awesome we can get a dragon fire, dragon electric Kyurem but nope

  • @CoralReaper707

    @CoralReaper707

    2 ай бұрын

    lmao

  • @Quix0tic707
    @Quix0tic707 Жыл бұрын

    Kyurem-B is going to be amazing if/when it comes back to SV. Loaded Dice solves the problem of unreliable Ice STAB, now it has at worst 100 BP. Terastalization also means it can trade its Ice typing for Electric, turning the bulky Steels that used to wall it like Necrozma-DM into set up fodder (it lost Toxic in SV) and giving it STAB on BoltBeam.

  • @RohanJoshi910

    @RohanJoshi910

    Жыл бұрын

    Loaded Dice means it also gets a 100 BP dragon move in scale shot, which also raises its speed.

  • @IgnitedQuils

    @IgnitedQuils

    Жыл бұрын

    Icicle Spear was a TM and BK could only learn it as a TM. If Pokemon Home does allow it to transfer moves, it’s definitely going to run Loaded Dice.

  • @Quix0tic707

    @Quix0tic707

    Жыл бұрын

    @@IgnitedQuils Damn forgot about that. Still it can Tera Ground as Ground / Dragon / Electric has perfect neutral coverage.

  • @IgnitedQuils

    @IgnitedQuils

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Quix0tic707Plus terastalizing can get rid of its weaknesses so it could be more imposing

  • @Wesker1984

    @Wesker1984

    Жыл бұрын

    @Chris H Tera Fire is better overall, offensively, still perfect coverage, defensively, it drops the Steel and Fairy weaknesses and turns the match up on its head, simultaneously becoming neutral to Dragon while still having Electric coverage for Water types. I use it on Miraidon, essentially running triple STAB. The only Pokémon that walls that combo is Mega Altaria, which no longer exists lol. No Dragon/Fairy replacement so far.

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 Жыл бұрын

    I think you could make a fun model set out of Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem. Being able to take them apart and slot the parts together to make the different forms I'm no toy designer but I bet you could do it real nice

  • @cicada8981

    @cicada8981

    Жыл бұрын

    You could probably do the same with Necrozma, Lunala and Solgaleo as well. Kind of makes me wonder which of the two model sets would be more popular.

  • @bolt_beam

    @bolt_beam

    Жыл бұрын

    @@cicada8981the anime had more of a focus on necrozma, solgaleo and lunala, so I’d assume they would be more popular.

  • @crarlo

    @crarlo

    Жыл бұрын

    I would honestly feel like the dragons would be more popular just because of the mystery around the original dragon

  • @bobfranklin2572

    @bobfranklin2572

    Жыл бұрын

    I had that with a digimon toy as a kid, where you could switch between Dino-beemon and Paildramon

  • @netweed09

    @netweed09

    Жыл бұрын

    Erm,, yes that's what B2W2 gave Us?? 😄

  • @waluigiwaluigireal
    @waluigiwaluigireal Жыл бұрын

    Finally, after all these years.. *were still missing kyurem OG*

  • @TheOneTrueGesta

    @TheOneTrueGesta

    Жыл бұрын

    How did it feel to get shafted from Smash Bros?

  • @stretchpunchbeef8982

    @stretchpunchbeef8982

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TheOneTrueGesta Ask your mom how my smash bros shafted her

  • @cristhianmlr

    @cristhianmlr

    Жыл бұрын

    You mean Amoonguss

  • @Moonstriker2514

    @Moonstriker2514

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't see a white kyurem video

  • @Drakorre

    @Drakorre

    Жыл бұрын

    Origin/Complete Kyurem needs to AG

  • @thatman666
    @thatman666 Жыл бұрын

    It wasn't Flamethrower Kyurem used in the movie but actually Dragon Pulse, at least according to Bulbapedia.

  • @M3rtyville

    @M3rtyville

    Жыл бұрын

    I thought it was Dragon Breath

  • @Matpit18
    @Matpit18 Жыл бұрын

    It’s so crazy how the addition of just one/two new moves can completely vault a Pokémon into viability and Kyurem-Black is one of the main examples of that

  • @andrewtortora1649
    @andrewtortora1649 Жыл бұрын

    Not giving it Ice Punch is a crime in itself

  • @omegabrain230
    @omegabrain230 Жыл бұрын

    Finally after literally over a year your back to the legendarys Also it’s funny how it’s the first and so far only box legendary to not be in Ubers also still disappointed how this thing doesn’t learn ice punch

  • @Crusina

    @Crusina

    Жыл бұрын

    It banned to ubers tho

  • @internetguy7319

    @internetguy7319

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Crusina later yeah

  • @stonalisa3729

    @stonalisa3729

    Жыл бұрын

    If it had a good physical ice move it would’ve gone to Ubers. But hey we have Terra blast now so he kind of does. I think he made it for home transfer?

  • @alexdrake4081

    @alexdrake4081

    Жыл бұрын

    Maybe Zamazenta will join it in Gen 9 (with the nerf to dauntless shield)

  • @zero123alpha6

    @zero123alpha6

    Жыл бұрын

    I thought it had one in icicle crash

  • @somedude3820
    @somedude3820 Жыл бұрын

    It's really bittersweet, Kyurem-B was the most fun dragon to use in OU in generations 5 to 7. Shame to see it get Dragon Dance and the Ice STAB it wanted, only for it to be godawful in Ubers.

  • @goGothitaLOL

    @goGothitaLOL

    Жыл бұрын

    still no Earthquake

  • @enn1924

    @enn1924

    Жыл бұрын

    What did it cost? Everything

  • @juannaym8488

    @juannaym8488

    Жыл бұрын

    It's kinda wild to me how all three forms of Kyurem have no place in Ubers. Too strong for OU but no valuable niche further up

  • @FraserSouris

    @FraserSouris

    Жыл бұрын

    This is something I did always wonder, why is it a bad thing for a Pokemon to be bad in a more powerful format? Like, an unviable Uber is still more powerful than a good OU. Kyurem-B being in OU kinda shows it is a terrible legendary

  • @somedude3820

    @somedude3820

    Жыл бұрын

    @@FraserSouris Having a niche in OU is more fun than just being terrible in Ubers though. Reshiram, an always bad Uber's legacy is basically just "Reshiram was bad that's all" but Kyurem-B was able to get a real competitive history and was fun to use during that history.

  • @mokukiridashi
    @mokukiridashi Жыл бұрын

    I like this choice, Kyurem Black was always a peculiar pokemon in OU, broken in stats and ability but held back by typing, moveset and meta.

  • @christianmarvello7527
    @christianmarvello7527 Жыл бұрын

    If it's added in Gen 9, under snow with an assault vest Kyreum-Black could be so bulky + with Def and SpD investment it could be unstoppable since its attack stat in already so high it doesn't necessarily even need attack investment

  • @mangosteak

    @mangosteak

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't want to burat ur bubble but it wouldn't be strong enough. Chien Pao is a way better immediately threatening offensive ice type. and Kyurem B without Atk Investment will fall short in this gen. Power creep was insane.

  • @dtc2412

    @dtc2412

    Жыл бұрын

    nah, ice is a bad defensive typing (and tera removes the snow def boost) and av means you don't have recovery, which especially sucks with a rocks weakness. also uninvested kyub without a boosting item really doesn't hit that hard

  • @MrMonkey2150

    @MrMonkey2150

    Жыл бұрын

    Just give it loaded dice and call me in the morning

  • @nerdyfalco408

    @nerdyfalco408

    Жыл бұрын

    Unless they add some broken legendary with snow warning, I don't think snow will be ever played in UBERS

  • @MrMonkey2150

    @MrMonkey2150

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nerdyfalco408 they don’t have to add a broken legendary with snow warning, they just have to add a broken Pokémon with an ability that deals more damage in snow and have them be super fast 😂

  • @Sadahiko312
    @Sadahiko312 Жыл бұрын

    Kyurem Black!! If only it had a solid Physical Ice Attack when it released, that really held it back

  • @yashpathak5637
    @yashpathak5637 Жыл бұрын

    With the release of loaded dice, icicle spear is gonna be insane on kyurem black

  • @FierceGalactaKnight
    @FierceGalactaKnight Жыл бұрын

    Uber level Legendary Pokémon in OU are some of my favorite legendaries of all time. Kyurem B, Hoopa U, and Giratina O (which was tested in OU for April Fools one year lol) are some of my favorite examples. I also love Zamazenta-C for being tested in OU as well

  • @CheesyCore

    @CheesyCore

    Жыл бұрын

    Reshiram should also be tested for OU. Its a weaker chi yu with slightly better coverage. If ou could *almost* handle chi yu, I think its fair giving reshiram a try

  • @N12015

    @N12015

    Жыл бұрын

    But luckily it did not happen because it was too good at 1v1 stuff and its flaws were not that big given his surprisingly good defensive profile. I'm glad Finchinator doens't take the mayor decisions because if he was we would genuinely have a stall meta.

  • @LunaroseClaire

    @LunaroseClaire

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CheesyCore Reshiram is also much, much bulkier than the fish, along with having reliable recovery in Roost, and could run Wisp far better than Chi-Yu since it's much bulkier. It'd be too much.

  • @christiancinnabars1402

    @christiancinnabars1402

    Жыл бұрын

    cheesy core Reshiram is a slightly weaker and slower Chi-Yu in exchange for beyond Mew level bulk + survivability and freaking Mold Breaker. It also gets a no-drawback version of Overheat, so...

  • @roxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    @roxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CheesyCore the most reasonable Competitive Pokemon take in the KZread comment section:

  • @grixan8012
    @grixan8012 Жыл бұрын

    ah yes, the face Haxorus sees in it's nightmares

  • @jwanie366
    @jwanie366 Жыл бұрын

    17:15 shout-out to Daniel Walker for getting not one, but TWO good placements in VGC with this Pokémon. Forgot that James Baek had a solid placement with Kyurem-B as well lol

  • @alolanvulpix2848
    @alolanvulpix2848 Жыл бұрын

    Yay! Kyurem black is in my opinion the best of the fused dragon. Also weird it was in OU, but cool!

  • @adam.aimanazli8833
    @adam.aimanazli8833 Жыл бұрын

    took 10 years but man finally got into ubers

  • @RockHoward256

    @RockHoward256

    Жыл бұрын

    And it's not good up there, sadly

  • @IgnitedQuils

    @IgnitedQuils

    Жыл бұрын

    @@RockHoward256At least it surpassed White Kyurem in the viability rankings, but agreed

  • @ellison2184
    @ellison2184 Жыл бұрын

    Been waiting for a kyurem video for ages, thank you for making this 🙏🏽 can’t wait for the kyurem white video

  • @cobalt7248
    @cobalt7248 Жыл бұрын

    It took three generations, but Kyurem-Black was finally in Ubers in Gen 8, after receiving Dragon Dance and Icicle Spear You love to see one of your favorite Legendaries rise to become amazing

  • @claudio6391

    @claudio6391

    Жыл бұрын

    > Rise to become amazing > It's C- Ranked in viability in Ubers and had borderline no competitive niche yeah no, more like it ascended into irrelevancy

  • @IgnitedQuils

    @IgnitedQuils

    Жыл бұрын

    @@claudio6391At least White Kyurem didn’t outclass it in rankings. BK outclassed it this time as WK is D rank.

  • @Zelda-db8zz

    @Zelda-db8zz

    Жыл бұрын

    @@IgnitedQuils tbh in the Ubers metagame, fighting for -C or D is basically two 5 year olds fighting about who is better while being on the same team as Lebron James. The Ubers meta game is so centralized around the top threats that even a B rank isn't good. The meta game just doesn't (or I guess didn't because there's a new generation now) suit either kyreum well

  • @cobalt7248

    @cobalt7248

    Жыл бұрын

    @@claudio6391 oh yeah I forgot it was ranked C- 💀

  • @gregorymirabella1423

    @gregorymirabella1423

    Жыл бұрын

    it's banned from the teir where it was actually viable and it's damn near useless in ubers. getting "buffed" was the worst thing that ever happened to it.

  • @abraham-kun4144
    @abraham-kun4144 Жыл бұрын

    Now we need a history of White Kyurem in competitive.

  • @Meddadius
    @Meddadius Жыл бұрын

    I’m sorry, but I can never forgive Kyurem Black for “out-Haxorusing Haxorus”

  • @lilylopnco

    @lilylopnco

    Жыл бұрын

    But can it outpizza the hut?

  • @iantaakalla8180

    @iantaakalla8180

    Жыл бұрын

    It’s a Kyurem form. It can’t outpizza the hut

  • @maxspecs
    @maxspecs Жыл бұрын

    I look forward to seeing how Zekrom and Reshiram pair with Miraidon and Koraidon. And Kyurem, with both.

  • @marcogomez289

    @marcogomez289

    Жыл бұрын

    Reshiram will probably still be garbage in Ubers.

  • @zaidkapadia6824

    @zaidkapadia6824

    Жыл бұрын

    Zekrom & Miraidon are gonna have a field trip with one another

  • @megadudetp
    @megadudetp Жыл бұрын

    One thing's for sure, Black Kyurem has the coldest box art in the franchise

  • @GrowingDownUnder
    @GrowingDownUnder Жыл бұрын

    People won't know the fear of Kyurem black with refrigerate + extreme speed in hackmons...definitely GOATED pokemon

  • @yuvalwh
    @yuvalwh Жыл бұрын

    We all know if my boy kyurem got icicle crash in gen 5 it would be banned

  • @RohanJoshi910
    @RohanJoshi910 Жыл бұрын

    19:59 HE SAID IT, HE SAID THE THING

  • @DarthFhenix55
    @DarthFhenix55 Жыл бұрын

    Moral of the history: If you want to succes in competitive Pokemon, you'll have to pay the dance classes.

  • @JToon78
    @JToon78 Жыл бұрын

    Ah yes, a very Pokemon that should learn Ice Punch, but for some reason didn't. While Pokemon with no hands like Gastly and Wooper can learn Ice Punch.

  • @ismailkeskinklc5300
    @ismailkeskinklc5300 Жыл бұрын

    I love how reshiram is completely outclassed by zekrom yet zekrom's fused form is completely outclassed by reshiram's.

  • @CheesyCore

    @CheesyCore

    Жыл бұрын

    Reshiram and zekrom are completely separate pokemons that have distinctively different roles to fill

  • @ismailkeskinklc5300

    @ismailkeskinklc5300

    Жыл бұрын

    @@CheesyCore yes but ı just love the irony of reshiram and kyurem black having the same problem.

  • @christiancinnabars1402

    @christiancinnabars1402

    Жыл бұрын

    My absolute favorite irony out of this whole thing is that Kyurem absorbs Zekrom to become stronger... only to still be weaker than just normal Zekrom. It's a whole Ginyu bodyswap-type conundrum. Except in this case, instead of Kaioken it's Electric STAB.

  • @CheesyCore

    @CheesyCore

    Жыл бұрын

    @@christiancinnabars1402 well technically it becomes stronger than kyurem when in absorbed zekrom. Nobody said something about becoming stronger than zekrom Its purely selfish

  • @Breakaway-ic5gj

    @Breakaway-ic5gj

    Жыл бұрын

    @@christiancinnabars1402 Damn shame, the kyurem forms should have had abilities which give them free fire and electric stab

  • @Crusina
    @Crusina Жыл бұрын

    YES!!!! HOPEFULLY BASE FORM SOON!

  • @neosuduno
    @neosuduno Жыл бұрын

    I think giving it Ice Spinner in gen 9 would be a dream come true for it.

  • @AllanG1333
    @AllanG1333 Жыл бұрын

    Didn't watch until the end yet, although I'm really hyped to see the TR43 being mentioned (it's the TR for Overheat) Edit: YOOOO IT WAS MENTIONED LET'S GO

  • @Tyranitar600
    @Tyranitar600 Жыл бұрын

    How Incompetent was Game Freak’s Balancing Team ACTUALLY? Seriously though, Ice Punch is too much, but giving Zacian everything and the kitchen sink is ok?

  • @edfreeman4202
    @edfreeman4202 Жыл бұрын

    Great job again, would love to see Torkoal in the future:)

  • @AuraXars
    @AuraXars Жыл бұрын

    Its cool to see an achilles heel where the drawback is not its abillity, great vid!

  • @Matthew_Klepadlo
    @Matthew_Klepadlo Жыл бұрын

    Wow, we’re gonna need separate videos for regular Kyurem and White Kyurem? Holy moly.

  • @danielferrieri7434
    @danielferrieri7434 Жыл бұрын

    Heres a Suggestion: How Good was Kyurem Normal Actually

  • @DragonTypeTrainer
    @DragonTypeTrainer Жыл бұрын

    PLEASE do White Kyurem next! It’s my favorite legendary and it deserves love and attention

  • @Dat_Feathered_Boi
    @Dat_Feathered_Boi Жыл бұрын

    Been waiting for this!!!

  • @InciniumVGC
    @InciniumVGC Жыл бұрын

    Now you gotta do White Kyurem next of course

  • @donkarasu-9644
    @donkarasu-9644 Жыл бұрын

    Black Kyurem using its Pokemon Home sprite in this is unexpected.

  • @bullymaguire632
    @bullymaguire632 Жыл бұрын

    Yoooo when home is released this thing will go straight to ubers, it's like a mega baxcalibur now with loaded dice icicle spear

  • @zaktician5247
    @zaktician5247 Жыл бұрын

    The Loaded Dice item is going to make this thing go crazy if it ever makes it to that point.

  • @Ego-Fiend
    @Ego-Fiend Жыл бұрын

    Finally a badass Pokémon after all these times

  • @megamanzero29
    @megamanzero29 Жыл бұрын

    Kyurem was so diverse competitively it needs 3 videos to cover

  • @stallsunguy3064
    @stallsunguy30643 ай бұрын

    And now in Gen 9, at last it gets Loaded Dice for an actually reliable Icicle Spear, making it at least decently relevant in Ubers Quite a history this guy has

  • @Red-MagicOrchestra
    @Red-MagicOrchestra Жыл бұрын

    One of my favorite legendaries. Love this guy's design and the gen V animations is so badass

  • @Wesker1984
    @Wesker1984 Жыл бұрын

    Liked seeing it get Dragon Dance in gen 8, it was sorely needed to buff that awkward speed.

  • @marceloasensiofilho3833
    @marceloasensiofilho3833 Жыл бұрын

    I am eager for a video on the gen 5 Djinns. Landorus, Thundurus and Tornadus

  • @jasminemiller7485

    @jasminemiller7485

    Жыл бұрын

    For Landorus, be prepared for another feature film

  • @IgnitedQuils

    @IgnitedQuils

    Жыл бұрын

    Honestly they should wait until after WK and regular Kyurem are finished.

  • @shinylugia5726
    @shinylugia5726 Жыл бұрын

    I have been asking for this for awhile

  • @epicphantom589
    @epicphantom589 Жыл бұрын

    I’ve been waiting for this.

  • @darianclark3980
    @darianclark3980 Жыл бұрын

    Ahh Black Kyurem. The Legendary that took 3 Generations to learn Ice Punch while Wooper somehow Ice Punches effortlessly!

  • @beeorsomething2230

    @beeorsomething2230

    Жыл бұрын

    It can’t learn ice punch.

  • @felixma9192

    @felixma9192

    Жыл бұрын

    Blame it on kyurem’s small arms

  • @IgnitedQuils

    @IgnitedQuils

    Жыл бұрын

    Wooper stopped learning Ice Punch in SV this gen, as Game Freak finally noticed

  • @UltimateDragonX9999
    @UltimateDragonX9999 Жыл бұрын

    Do how good was gothitelle and conkeldurr actually next please.

  • @outofideasexe
    @outofideasexe Жыл бұрын

    I'm glad to see one of my favorite pokemons getting on FSG.

  • @JonkoSlunko
    @JonkoSlunko Жыл бұрын

    The other boxed mon I wish I got when black and white 2 came out

  • @amateraceon5202
    @amateraceon5202 Жыл бұрын

    Surely when Legends Kyurem and BW3 come around we’re gonna get to see the Original Dragon, right? …right?

  • @stonalisa3729

    @stonalisa3729

    Жыл бұрын

    Gen 5 should be our next remake but I think we may get gen 10 before that. The HGSS anniversary is coming up

  • @stonalisa3729

    @stonalisa3729

    Жыл бұрын

    Or at least a Gen 5 port to switch

  • @bdt2002gaming

    @bdt2002gaming

    Жыл бұрын

    @@stonalisa3729 I second this, since we did get a second Kanto remake (Let’s Go) before we got Sinnoh remakes. It wasn’t the FRLG “re-remake” I was expecting at first, but either way it did happen before DP got a remake.

  • @stonalisa3729

    @stonalisa3729

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bdt2002gaming there will no doubt be another Legends game but I don’t think they count as remakes and more like reimagines. I’m all for them honestly

  • @loudwhispre9406

    @loudwhispre9406

    Жыл бұрын

    @@stonalisa3729 If you haven't noticed, every gen is remade at it's 2x generation. Gen 2 is Gold/Silver, which was remade in gen 4, as HGSS. Gen 3, which is RSE, was remade in gen 6 as ORAS. Gen 4, DPP, was remade in gen 8, at BDSP. Gen 1 RBY is the only exception to this, having been remade in gen 3 as FRLG, instead of in gen 2, and again in gen 7, as LGPE. But every remake comes after the debut games for that generation. The way gen 4 released DPP and then remade GS into HGSS, or how gen 6 released XY and then remade RSE into ORAS, or how gen 8 debuted with SwSh and then released BDSP. So in gen 10, after they release Pokemon Cash Grab and Pokemon Cut Corners, or CgCc, they will announce a remake of Black and White as Pokemon Grey. Not because its thematically Kyurem's game, but because they've sucked all life out of the franchise by that point. Jokes aside, I would expect gen 10's second major title to be some BW remakes.

  • @RockHoward256
    @RockHoward256 Жыл бұрын

    Tfw You fall into OU for generations only for becoming Uber after gaining stab and becoming unviable there

  • @bumbuyman
    @bumbuyman Жыл бұрын

    With the near removal of scald in gen 9, and the cascade of viability changes that caused, a video about scald would be great. We really didn't appreciate how much it mattered for so many pokemon, and seeing toxapex surf or alomomola liquidate is bizarre, after so many years with scald. In retrospect, it truly had a monumental impact on the entire metagame, akin to u-turn and volt switch, or even stealth rock.

  • @zecuntdoll
    @zecuntdoll Жыл бұрын

    i love your channel!! do magearna please!✨

  • @lorddarkrai5753
    @lorddarkrai5753 Жыл бұрын

    What a surprise! For future projects for this year , i think we should see some of the following: Bronzong Rotom forms Goodra Escavalier Heliolisk The Tapus Vikavolt Incineroar Chestnaught

  • @iwx4021

    @iwx4021

    Жыл бұрын

    rotom wash would be an insanely long video

  • @stonalisa3729

    @stonalisa3729

    Жыл бұрын

    @@iwx4021 wash would be it’s own video honestly

  • @azurai3934

    @azurai3934

    Жыл бұрын

    Darmanitan and Excadrill have been done

  • @619Slipk
    @619Slipk Жыл бұрын

    TLDR: Uber monstrous attack stat held back by mediocre speed and most importantly it's Ice type that has been done dirty by this game for so long

  • @kwdgolden2716
    @kwdgolden2716 Жыл бұрын

    Can't wait for White Kyurem's video. Good going FSG!!

  • @MrK-bw5oh
    @MrK-bw5oh Жыл бұрын

    Two ice pokemon in a row? I looove you false swipe!

  • @CherryColaCake
    @CherryColaCake Жыл бұрын

    funny how a base 170 attack pokémon wasn't uber every generation but then again, we have someone with 165 attack who is basically unusable in any tier that isn't NU or PU

  • @BeeEmpress

    @BeeEmpress

    Жыл бұрын

    Shut up

  • @stonalisa3729

    @stonalisa3729

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes but slaking has a terrible ability that makes it near unusable

  • @IgnitedQuils

    @IgnitedQuils

    Жыл бұрын

    @@stonalisa3729I think they were also referring to Rampardos

  • @ElevenSEES
    @ElevenSEES Жыл бұрын

    0:32 actually, that was dragon pulse, even though it looks a lot like flamethrower lol

  • @jayd.doubledubs
    @jayd.doubledubs Жыл бұрын

    Oh man, this one's going to be awesome and interesting

  • @TheOnlyGBeast
    @TheOnlyGBeast Жыл бұрын

    Black Kyurem is my absolute favorite pokemon of all time. Thank you for covering him

  • @oxygen3143
    @oxygen3143 Жыл бұрын

    Honestly I really liked Kyurem-Black in OU. It was flawed enough to be balanced but was still incredibly fun to use

  • @dynamic8192
    @dynamic8192 Жыл бұрын

    It will again get better in gen9 bcoz loaded dice+icicle spear

  • @Moon-nk3co
    @Moon-nk3co Жыл бұрын

    Black Kyreum after getting access to the weakest physical stab move in existence: Aight, imma head out of OU.

  • @OldManHan
    @OldManHan Жыл бұрын

    I’ve been waiting for this one for ages, Kyurem Black is my fave

  • @mauroperez2848
    @mauroperez2848 Жыл бұрын

    I was expecting the Kyurem video to include all of the forms, but oh well. It's somewhat bittersweet to see Kyurem Black finally belong in Ubers. On the one hand, it got the TLC needed to actually become an Ubers viable pokemon. On the other hand, it now faced steep competition from better ice types and dragon types once dynamax went bye-bye. Even Zekrom is considered to be somewhat better than it. At least Kyurem Black had its moment in the spotlight for a time.

  • @shadowmarauder6033
    @shadowmarauder6033 Жыл бұрын

    Why doesn’t it have ice punch? Seriously, look at its arms!

  • @gustavogonzales5817
    @gustavogonzales5817 Жыл бұрын

    No one knows how long I have been waiting for this video

  • @nigeltimothycruz244
    @nigeltimothycruz244 Жыл бұрын

    I LOVE THIS POKEMON THANK YOU KEVIN!!!

  • @SomeOtherRandomChannel
    @SomeOtherRandomChannel Жыл бұрын

    But it holds TR43, the TM for overheat!

  • @malareon
    @malareon Жыл бұрын

    Sometimes I think game freak sometimes genuinely just forgets to give pokemon certain moves, like in the keldeo movie when kyrem used flamethrower, I bet the animators and gamefreak just thought kyrem learned the move and didn't even think about it not having it. Like physical ice stab in gens 5-7.

  • @eyecontrol4900

    @eyecontrol4900

    Жыл бұрын

    im still pissed Aerodactyl never got head smash or brave bird

  • @kokotomenance344
    @kokotomenance3445 ай бұрын

    Can I just say Balck Kyurem’s sprite animation in gen 5 is the sickest thing ever

  • @Eterrath
    @Eterrath Жыл бұрын

    They did it! They mentioned the TM for overheat!

  • @Mr._Sherwood
    @Mr._Sherwood Жыл бұрын

    Wait, is this the only boxart legendary to ever drop to OU in its debut generation? I can't think of any others that did.

  • @luizfelipevbf5567

    @luizfelipevbf5567

    Жыл бұрын

    Yup, Zygarde dropped to OU too but he isn't a boxart sadly...

  • @Miruk4

    @Miruk4

    Жыл бұрын

    I guess Suicune technically counts? Zamazenta was also tested in OU if I remember correctly, but that didn't last.

  • @goGothitaLOL

    @goGothitaLOL

    Жыл бұрын

    Zygarde (tho Pokemon Z never exist), back when 100% Zygarde nor Thounsand Arrows didn't exist

  • @N12015

    @N12015

    Жыл бұрын

    Zamacenta-C dropped for a month or so, but luckily it did not last because it was too good at denying frail offense and specially knock off strategies and made semi-stall a bit too good.

  • @jamesgiles4517

    @jamesgiles4517

    3 ай бұрын

    Thousand arrows and waves WERE in the game, they were just unobtainable ​@@goGothitaLOL

  • @goGothitaLOL
    @goGothitaLOL Жыл бұрын

    and now we have Kyurem-Black at home (Baxcalibur), the gen before that we had Giratina-Origin at home (Dragapult) Koraidon is just "cooler Kommo-o"

  • @BeeEmpress

    @BeeEmpress

    Жыл бұрын

    Shut up Redditor

  • @stonalisa3729

    @stonalisa3729

    Жыл бұрын

    Hisuian Goodra is Dialga at home

  • @Thrillin_Chillin_Drillin
    @Thrillin_Chillin_Drillin Жыл бұрын

    White's ability to ignore Flashfire was understated

  • @Neoicecreaman
    @Neoicecreaman Жыл бұрын

    Dynamax kyurem black was my favorite era lol. I loved using my boy to cleave teams in half.

  • @justinnzamora5366
    @justinnzamora5366 Жыл бұрын

    Before Gen 8, I found it wild that a legendary Pokemon with a hefty BST of 700 was legalized in OU mainly due to it's lack of physical Ice STAB. Kyurem-B is so thankful to have Dragon Dance and Icicle Spear when Gen 8 arrived to finally fit in with the Ubers along with it's White counterpart.

  • @roxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    @roxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Жыл бұрын

    Aaaaand it sucks there You hate to see it

  • @world9129
    @world9129 Жыл бұрын

    i hope we can see kyruem white, i wonder how well it did in the competive scene

  • @davidescobar9309
    @davidescobar9309 Жыл бұрын

    I really like your work on these videos, however, will there be a time or series that is focused specifically on VGC content?

  • @Boris-ui8sk
    @Boris-ui8sk Жыл бұрын

    why is the pokemon competitive metagame an actually effective direct democracy

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