It’s great listening to a channel where the presenter is a hands on experienced biker who is so enthusiastic about Harley Davidson. One of the few KZread channels I watch all the way through. Kudos!!!😊

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Thanks Gerald. Appreciate that

@47MTCLLC

6 ай бұрын

I was just about to write what you said...he is the best!

I like the new CVO ST but let's be real, it's not going to beat any big bore M8. For a emissions compliant motor its vey impressive but its a long ways from being a true hot rod bike.

@AC16

6 ай бұрын

He cant say that 😂, he is drinking the HD kool aid

@charlesd6459

6 ай бұрын

Hot Rod bagger beats cvo st no question

@medicarewire7750

6 ай бұрын

That's true, but the cost to build it out to a big bore performance bagger is WAY less than any platform that has come before it. I would hate to add up what it has cost me to get my M8 CVO down to 800 LBS, with good suspension, great brakes, 150 HP (reliable), and comfortable ergonomics. H-D has done it for a grand more than I paid for my CVO a few years ago. Kudos to the MoCo.

@AC16

6 ай бұрын

I guess you have a point.

Yeah Mad Max would absolutely walk away from the new CVO ST on all levels. I do love the new look of it but you hit the nail on the head when it comes to how Harley measures their horsepower and torque. Good video John.

Good Video and some great points on the new design! I made a comment on your CVO ST ride that I liked the old design better, and since then I am already thinking of going with a new 24 standard Road Glide in white, with the chrome finish. I currently own a 23 Road Glide Standard. My money is on you buying a new CVO ST in the very near future! 😎

Great content John. I agree with you 100% about people saying it cost way too much for a motorcycle like that but then you end up putting more money in the upgrade yourself so in the long run the new CVOST is definitely your best bang for the buck. Absolutely beautiful bikeand I personally see you upgrading to a new one. Probably the black one but who knows great enjoying the channel very much. Looking forward to see what you do.

Dude, you already know you're getting the ST. And you're Right, thats how the brain works...We all want NEW !!

That new ST CVO is WILD! Would be great to see it on the channel. Wish you can keep every bike you build; you’ve got great taste and that thing sounds amazing!

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Thanks I really appreciate that.

I agree with 99% of what you’re saying and that CVO ST is sick. However…I can never bring myself to buy a new body style/engjne/electronics in the first or second or even third year model. Look at all the issues with the twin cam when it first came out, or the M8’s, etc. it takes a few years for all the bugs to be ironed out let’s be honest. Yes there is a warranty but that doesn’t help when your riding season is over because it needs major warranty work. Just being real. I love the new bikes, will probably have one one day, but my 2022 SG is rock solid and I’ll keep it a little while longer.

@johndonkor243

6 ай бұрын

Big facts right here!

Well done! Great perspective on Harley moving forward, and your on bike review with Harley!

With the 30 inches of snow coming my way this weekend, I love watching your videos to help me get through the winter!

Harley isn’t dumb… they allow the videos/recordings for sales… which is part of any new product Thanks for your time doing this as well!

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

True but so everyone understands, Harley Davidson does not tell us what to say, nor do they have any input in any of the videos that content creators put out. Truth be told they don’t even see the videos before you guys do.

@superduperdipper

6 ай бұрын

It’s ALL ABOUT The SALES! That’s why they let these KZreadrs show up at the party! You’ll have a CVO ST. by Spring! 1/2 price to boot! 😎

What you’re saying is right John.If you want a performance bike then this would be the right move considering the money you would have to put in a stock bike.Thanks for all the videos they are all top notch. Ride safe!

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Thanks

It was fun to watch you guys ride around those bikes. Happy to be a Harley fan

The new style is gorgeous. Love the st.

The new Indian inspired CVO hands down is a huge improvement over its predecessor. 43k though and It's still air cooled with no heated grips. The Indian Challenger Darkhorse has almost identical power, liquid cooled as oppose to air cooled, inverted front forks, Brembo brakes, a fully adjustable mono rear Fox shock, power bag locks, heated grips, power windshield, an aluminum frame making it lighter, and a $30,999 price tag. I like both bikes but for the money it's hard to argue which is the better bang for the $$$. Hope someone lines them up side by side soon so we see which one is faster.

@seeda3473

Ай бұрын

@@tonifalisi7053 but even with all that said, it’s still a Polaris wearing Indian badges. If it was actually a true Indian it would be more expensive.

John, you always come in CLUTCH & tell it like it is!! You are definitely on top of your game!! Kudos to you & keep bringing the heat!! I have a 1992 GSX-R 1100, owned since '94 & a 2019 Road King Special, owned since 2022. Columbus, Ohio

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

I appreciate that

What you said is exciting and at the same time upsetting, I'm barely able to fulfill my monthly payments... Now I'm stuck with the older model.

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

I hear you brother I’m in the same boat with a 2022, do I keep it or do I get the new one, decisions decisions

The cvo st is not a lot of money. That bike got everything you don’t have to spend a penny on it. I wish I waited so far I got 20k plus in to my bike.

When the after market suspension manufacturers come out with the upgrades front and rear the new cvo st will handle even better.

I agree ! we move forward but never forget the past . Thank you for your positive and upbeat channel 👍

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

You are so welcome thank you 😊

I bought the golden white pearl purely based on your videos of it! Thank you so so much on showcasing it brother

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Great to hear! Congratulations

@jamesbower6408

6 ай бұрын

@CYCLEFANATIX thNks bro! Its the perfect building base platform for what i want to do. It saves me immense amounts of money on brakes and suspension upgrades right away and i can put that money into engine upgrades and tuning, get it up to 160-170 whp then POSSIBLY think about even better suspension, going to see how these SHOWAs compare to the ohlins.

I bet you get the new ST CVO, let's face it your a youtuber, everyone is going to want to see content on the new bikes. If you want to keep the views up and get new subscribers there really is no choice. What else can you do to Madmax. Once you got the carbon wheels the build was pretty much over.... So what color ST CVO are you getting?😊

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Haha white 🤣🤣

@Stel67

6 ай бұрын

@@CYCLEFANATIX That would be my choice too!

I really think the white CVO would look good in your garage. Mad Max is a beautiful bike, but that white CVO is the bomb. If I could afford it, I’d buy it

I have to say that after your review, it’s tempting. And you nailed it with what would need to be done. I’d probably add a different cam, a different exhaust, and maybe a different set of handle bars and call it a day. With what I have in mine now, I’m almost at the cost of two of these. I feel like if I were to purchase one, it would be a quick build to perfection with just a few things. But it would be awesome to see what you’d do. I have to give it a full year and see where the aftermarket industry goes with this one. Lookin forward to it!

@harryhowell5644

6 ай бұрын

I saw the new cvo st road glide today at my local shop. It looks real good. I'm torn between that and the cvo road glide.😮 I have a road glide limited so I'm waiting for a cvo limited? Maybe launch one later? Maybe just do cam intake and injectors on mine.

@Dgroz

6 ай бұрын

There will be no cam for a year, minimum ... they have to develop a cam for the VVT and hack a new ECU. These will most likely be just exhaust and air filter for good long while ...

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

The ST does not have VVT so there are hundreds of cams out there waiting to be installed

People just like to hate on Harley. For an American company to be manufacturing in the US where it cost 10x to manufacture, to be able to produce the quality they do AND bring cost of the product down this year, is to be celebrated. Harley is listening to the customers and their fit and finish is unmatched.

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

💯👍

John I’m thrilled I came across your channel while researching stuff for my bike. We’re close in age and I also have a son named cam lol. Hoping I can get some long rides in this year.

You hit the nail right on the head the bike will be out of date. Absolute. The new bike, the new body style and the ST is the way to go. I’m pretty sure I’m right when I say I think you’ve made your mind up. I’m almost positive you’re gonna have a road glide CVOST in your garage within the coming months. Great video. I. myself had a 2018 CVO St. glide in the gunship gray And if I had the money, I would have that 2024 road guide CVOST in my garage right now for $43,000 it’s worth every penny

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

👊👍

I saw the CVO ST in person on Wednesday and fell in love. I put $20k into my last Streetglide and although it looked good but still was not a CVO. Having that performance and warranty is key. And at the end of the day $43k is worth it

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

I totally agree

Love your videos brother the new CVO STS are awesome mad Max is bad to bomb when you were in Charlotte you were not far from me I live just a little bit north of Charlotte in a town called Hickory again love you videos keep doing what you doing be safe brother

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Thanks Nick Don’t they make a lot of furniture in Hickory ?

Thanks for the info John you’re always top notch!

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

I appreciate that!

Hollywood that CVO would be dynamite with the 131 or even the 135 motor and a match for Mad Max for sure !! Keep up the great work Brother

I’m waiting to see what Fuel Moto does with theirs. Those guys are the kings of motorcycle performance!

Great video and very well spoken. Good clear information, very valuable. Thanks.

You're BUYING A NEW ONE ! 😉🤠✌️

I'm with you John, that cvo st is one badass machine. It's everything you need in one package. If I didn't spend so much on my 22 roadglide special I would definitely be in the dealership working a deal.

@KT-GoNavy

6 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly. 22RGS with all the performance bike upgrades like John…. Well almost but getting there. If I didn’t have her, I would be tempted to get the white CVO. I’ll keep mine

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more!

brought mine home today! Looking forward to ride; your review helped seal the deal!

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Haha congratulations

@eightbitz9167

6 ай бұрын

@@CYCLEFANATIX It does have apple car play; but doesn’t come with a damn headset now because it’s “performance” focused!

John, I appreciate your thoughts on the new CVO ST vs. your performance bagger build. Like you, I created a purpose-built performance bagger that fits my riding style and preferences. Mine is a 2017 CVO Street Glide. It's been a work in progress that has gone through multiple engine, suspension, ergonomic, and styling upgrades. The bike is now under 800 LBS and has a new 131ci engine with an S&S crank, SE heads, big cam, etc. It rips and handles like a dream. But I'm eyeballing the CVO ST to be my new performance platform going forward and de-tuning my current CVO to use for 2-up touring. I think H-D knocked it out of the park with the CVO ST... finally, they understand what we want.

CVO’s are for old men with money. I buy standards and build them up to my liking and my body fit. I’m 6’3 265 lbs so I need larger cockpit and extended leg room. Stock bikes are one size fits all. New body style is nice but I’ll wait and trade up. CVO isn’t so custom anymore.

You are very well spoken brother John...

Pre Rushmore RG's are still very cool. Lots of beautiful performance builds out there with the old fairing, aggressive twin cam motors and beautiful paint jobs. Old technology but still classic. Also was this a vid about how much is in mad max or how good is the new CVO ? 🤔

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Answering viewers questions as I stated in the beginning 👍

Amazing content and I feel I like I just got an online degree in Harley Davidson! Thanks brother

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Haha 😂 👊👍

I really wish they made a cvo ST street glide version. I like the bike but I’m looking for a few options that the ST models don’t have ( only non ST cvo has) but love the setup and the look is 🔥 black or white either one looks good. Hope HD makes something similar for street glides.

The big difference is that when you buy the $28-$30-$35K bike you calculate the monthly cost, and the parts that you buy like you say are not accounted for within the monthly cost. - The CVO/ST is a great looking bike…

2024 CVO Road Glide ST Starts at $62,995 here in Australia

Have to remember that HD Corp had to make something that would be EPA compliant and other government restrictions in order to sell in the US and aboard. Then us buyers take it to the next step if we want. From the factory, the 2024 CVO ST is a beast no doubt.

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Exactly 👍 💯💯

I hate to say it, but it definitely would be awesome for the channel if you took a 24 and started doing Mods! You’d probably gain a lot more subs! What do I know tho.

Trying to decipher how big the performance bagger market is? I really don’t know? I think the old guys, like myself, focus on other attributes-ride, comfort, suspension, brakes, handling, storage for personal items, and on. I’m gonna look at the new SG standard, and decide if it’s worth a change from my 107?

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

All you have to do is go to any rally these days, the performance bagger market is insane. It has taken over.

THE WAY YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CVO ST , IM THINKING THAT SOON WE GOING GET TO SEE YOU RIDING ONE IN THE CHANNEL LOL... IVE A 2019 INDIAN CHIEFTAIN AND I THINK IM GOING TO GET THE NEW STREET GLIDE OR ROAD GLIDE THEY LOOK AMAZING.

Good stuff again my man. I literally can’t wait to see the standard new road glide to budget common man’s CVO ST conversions. That CVO ST looks so sweet (saw the black one briefly in person last weekend), but the custom jobs on the new standard are going to be ridiculous. I agree at the end of the day that just buying the CVO ST stock is the way to go if you aren’t absolutely committed to a custom design. The weight difference alone is super significant.

Its different on the road. Power comes on differently and that bike is lighter. They have to fix the infotainment system also. I had a 23 CVO, i highly recommend you waiting at least another year. And also wondering why it does not have VVT.

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

It doesn’t have the VVT, because this is performance based, the VVT was more for efficiency

@brucem8129

6 ай бұрын

@CYCLEFANATIX the VVT is awsome for performance. It's successfully used in many performance engines across the automotive industry. It enables a 5.0 to have close to 500 hp. There has to be a better reason. The engine in the 23 CVO was definitely the sweet spot of the bike.

John. I just watched your video. First up. You explained everything I was questioning about the new cvo. I currently have a 21 Electra glide that I bought new and I love Your explanation about the old models need a change and who’s gonna want them was spot on The only thing I’m gonna research on my own is the electronic digital dash I’m still a gauge speedometer guy I also enjoy your product reviews and installation Best of luck with your son Cam’s channel. Dave Phila pa

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Thanks Dave I appreciate that

So if I'm looking at the specs right...the CVO ST doesn't have the liquid cooled heads..is that because it loses some power running the cooling system?

Cell, Matt Max but without the carbon fiber wheels and get yourself the ST model and put the carbon fiber wheels on it. It’ll be great for content.

The new models probably tanked the value on my Ultra. If not for that and not having a spare 42k to drop on a bike would def get a CVO ST thing looks AMAZING anybody who says differently is lying to themselves bcuz they cant afford it. Be honest with yourselves

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Perfectly said Steven

i like this channel long videos lots of topics no rants .

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

Mad Max looks awesome. Last year I was thinking of building out a road glide to something much more performance oriented. I definitely don’t need Mad Max level. I’m wondering now, should I build out a 23’ or go for a CVO ST? By build out, I mean… bars, suspension, new CAM and probably increase the top end.

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

If you’re going to build one out by a 2024 standard

COST 43 + TAX wow , I shall look at it with admiration from the distance .

Excellent video. Good information. As far as you getting a new bike, of course you're going to. May not be anytime soon but I don't think you ever planned on keeping Mad Max for the rest of your life.😆 Be careful, ride safe.

I’m curious what you have into your bike cost-wise vs what the new CVO goes for? On a side note… I like the fairing style on your bike better than the new style but I would still get the new style. Things “usually” change for the better and I would assume the new fairing has advantages.

Hey looks like Kyle Wyman spilled the Hp and Torq numbers on the bike. He said to the wheel. Pretty impressive. Not gunna lie you are looking pretty good on that white pearl bike lol. Wasn't a huge RG fan but it's growing on my and I love your setup man, she just looks dialed in

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Thanks

Hope everyone in this comment section buys one. I need to keep my job welding them up! 😃

Your crank is 4.5 stroke, the CVO ST stroke is 4.625... bigger stroke more torque

I'm looking at the 23 CVO Roadglide in the Orange and black. If the numbers work out it will be in my garage next weekend. The ST is awesome but my wife rides with me. Fingers crossed.

Don’t get rid of Mad Max! 😂..I like the 24s for sure though.

I really like the new design of the bikes. I hope the vvt will be on the street glide soon.

Personally, i’d get a standard bagger, and leave it as is. For the long haul. And for hauling ass, i’d modify the hell out of a Sportster. And have a sports bike in the stable. I’d have all the type of rides i’d want. But i have a feeling the new Buell Supercruiser will have it all for me. Have to wait and see.

I’m finally used to the new front end of the Road Glide. I really like it now. I think it will look really good with 2 white and yellow Baja designs headlights. I saw some preview pics, looks good. My next bike will be a CVO ST. I spent over $20K in parts only on my Street Glide Special. So, the CVO ST does make sense at. $43K. But, it will still need some more upgrades for sure.

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Right on!

CVO ST has the long stroke crank stock add HD SE135 cyl/pistons = 135cui

@cyclefanatix you were right up the road from me. I’m in Monroe, NC. Great job on the review.

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Cool, thanks!

With me getting the 23 CVO last year. Now I’m seeing the CVO ST this year. Do you think with upgrades I can get the same performance out of my bike as the CVO ST??

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Of course you can with the right modifications, it only has a few more horsepower and torque

@RegalOn24s

6 ай бұрын

@@CYCLEFANATIX thanks I appreciate the info!! I’m still kinda new to this Harley world. Lol

$43K... I just bought a loaded 2024 Subaru Crosstrek for my wife for $34k and I thought that was insanely crazy on our part.

Brother John you have to race a CVO ST against Mad Max and record it for all of us to see ,now that would be good content...

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Haha 👍

Minor point, but it’s a (Harley-Davidson) CVO Road Glide ST. The ‘CVO’ comes before the ‘Road Glide’.

Great info 👍

Another great video John. Question for you: How would you rate Nadal’s BMW RT1250 to the new CVO RG ST?

I vote you keep Mad Max, you will regret giving her up.

All the videos I watch which by the by I love yours John, you inspire me, (even if performance baggers are the equivalent of race buses) I still scratch my head wondering about docking hardware with the remote reservoirs for backrests etc lol. Still want the wife to go with me whenever possible.

I went down yesterday to buy the white ST. But no docking hardware and no easy way to add. Took the air out of my sails. How am I suppose to tour on a touring bike. I have a tour pack or could've bought RicRack like yours. I can't even put a rack on and strap a regular bag down.I did really like it. Of course I saw last years RG and after seeing the new ones, last years look so dated lol.

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Yes, that is one issue with the docking hardware but I’m sure they’ll will be a workaround. We have to figure something out.

The problem is most Harley shops do not sell them at MSRP. My Harley shop has them starting at 49,000 sadly.

That was a great video

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Anyone who’s been riding Harleys for a long time knows to be cautious when it comes to new Gen Bikes. The first three years of the M8 were not great, the early twin cams had issues as well. The name of the game has always been late model M8’s and Twin Cams. I would be reluctant to invest in a VVT M8 until I understand where the challenges are. I’m also uncertain about all the new electronics. One thing we know about electronics is that they are prone to fail. It will take at least two years for them to work that out. If I were in the market for a bike, and I wasn’t concerned about my ego, I would pick up a late model M8. It’s proven and battle-tested, and if you want modern power, you can build it up to meet or exceed what is being put out now. Personally, I’ve probably bought my last Harley for a while. I don’t believe in chasing performance on a Harley anymore. It’s like trying to train an obese person to be a gymnast. Makes. No. Sense. If you really want performance, go buy a KTM Super Duke R Evo, a Triumph Speed Triple RS, or a Ducati Streetfighter. Get a Harley to tour on and make memories with your friends. A Harley is what is it. Just my take.

Big John the 121 must have a different stroke might make more power with just a cam

John, in your opinion what’s the best 114/117 to 122 Kit? Many here have 114 with stage 2. Thx

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

I have the screaming eagle 128 kit on my bike and I have zero issues and the bike runs absolutely awesome. I would stick with screaming eagle. Tried and tested.

Great content John.. Really good 👍

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

anyone know the CVO St top speed? Was not a fan of my RGS, after topping out the motor with HD certified components to not break warranty, it still had a ~108mph top speed. And I was in at like 55k on that thing. I was, NOT stoked. I don’t need it to go 180 or anything, but 125-130 would be nice.

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

120 I believe it’s regulated at

@shredcity7217

6 ай бұрын

That’s better than 108. I can deal with that. Thanks man!

I'm thinking you are going to get a 2024 coo st in white!

great explanation, that's exactly how it is

Interesting how the new RG CVO ST is similar to your mad max setup…

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Definitely because Harley has been looking and watching the performance bagger market and they see what people like and install on their bikes

Depending on who racing could it be

one Sunday after May, my 3 buddies and I who ride performance Baggers aggressively want to share a day Flyin Low with you and a few friends. Let me know when we can do it. We live in the SE PA//North Wilmington De area

Great content John. Get the CVO and start leading us through some new adventures on a new platform.

Just be big Rob he only does cvo he will have the new st cco soon get one big John

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Maybe Rob already has one in the garage ?? 🤣🤣

Great content brother !! I would take max over the new cvo st anyday of the week!!!!!!!

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

I hear you brother

I always enjoy your content informative and straight forward . Thanks to your review on 2024 CVO ST RG I trade my 2018 RG For a 2024 CVO ST at Bergen Harley Great dealership Dave Adam and Will Made the purchase easy and simple Thanks John D

Awesome video and information brotha 🤙💯

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Appreciate it!

Wheels look sick on top of the performance gain!

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

Thanks Bryan

The new bikes are beautiful, no doubt. But 1st year tech always needs some time to see what issues will rear their ugly head. If the new electronics hold up, It would be a steal at the price point. Mad Max on the other hand is custom built for your style. I would give another two years until I would replace MM with the new bread of bikes.

ya saw some of that nice segments

John….considering an upgrade to this bike from my 2022 CVO Road Glide….for touring would you do it?

@CYCLEFANATIX

6 ай бұрын

If you’re going to do lots of miles get the regular CVO

@usmcshepherdE9

6 ай бұрын

@@CYCLEFANATIX thanks John I do appreciate it…I have legends EVO rears already on current bike along with engine work…maybe look at a ‘23 or ‘24 regular CVO and just upgrade rear suspension (hate that dial on the side on new ones).

Ia that Kyle Wyman? If so that's awesome he's giving riding tips. 🤘🏼