Turkish shotguns popular in Australian market as lever action, not illegal, (yet), a lot are pretty average quality but get the job done, Adler straight pulls are becoming popular here and in my opion a stronger and more reliable action, but nothing like the quality pump actions prior to buy back,,,, those were the days..love this channel, brings back memories from when you could own stuff

I believe these are mainly targeted toward the Australian market. Down under, they're not allowed pump shotguns but lever-operated ones are OK, AFAIK.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

6 жыл бұрын

+Carl Siemens Hi Carl, I think you're right. Funny laws. Oh well, at least they can use levers.

@australianmade2659

6 жыл бұрын

Carl Siemens I’m Australian and that is correct. Laws are made by people who don’t know how guns work. I don’t rate these guns to be honest.

@markskilton6028

6 жыл бұрын

another Australian here .that is correct i bought one a few months ago it does not replace the pump i handed in around 1996 but it is still fun to own , at least a 1000 rounds some sticking and ejection issues but never thought the lever to be tight or harsh been the best part about it i found. shot 2 different semi auto bennellis in the last few weeks that made me a little sad that i owned a pump when i was about 17 now at 50 odd i cant be trusted to own a decent riffle/gun

@nate_thealbatross

6 жыл бұрын

The French also have quirks with pump actions. For reasons related to an action film at the time the law was passed France puts handguns, AR15s and pump shotguns into their "B" category, while bolt action rifles in non-military calibers, automatic shotguns with 3 rounds, lever guns and single shots are in the "C" category. So presumably if Quigley Down Under had come out that year the Sharp's rifle would be up there.

@long_chin_man

5 жыл бұрын

pump actions were illegalised because big suit wearing fatties were angry that criminals would get unregistered black market grade pump action shotguns (HAHA JOKES ON THEM CRIMINALS STILL HAVE PUMP ACTIONS THOSE DUMB FAT CAT CASH STACKERS) they would scrape off the serials so they couldnt find where they were made and charge the dealer even though modern firearm laws would make buying them to use as criminal dealings quite tricky for them. I have 200% no idea how nobody has committed a mass shooting with the amount of black market grade kalashnikovs that are currently in australian mafia possession (every few months they do elite raids on bikers or anybody and they pop up from time to time, some of them are even home-made I genuinely, in my whole heart. Believe that there will be a mass shooting with an illegal firearm such as a thompson or uzi that is unregistered and illegally brought here from another country through bribery or whatnot, we're just waiting for that day to come and somehow by gods will it hasnt happened yet Pump actions are fantastic. Reliable, solid, strong, and quite light with the ability to carry 5-6 rounds in it and not actually have to reload once you're done with your hunt Adler came in and realised "hey you know lever action shotguns arent that bad why dont you try them" and honestly from my experience with friends who own them they are obviously cheap but the reliability comes with the price, they say the usual "cheap copy of a pump action" and I'd agree By the way we spend a heap on the military even though we're going to get our asses blasted by the chinese or indonesians when another war hits. Cant wait until those politicians sell us out for their safety just like they've been doing since this desolate hellscape first federated!

Thanks for the videos USOG, you are a gentleman and a scholar and it's always a pleasure and a previlege to see some of the guns you bring to your Chanel. On this topic I would like to say that I have 2 Adler's lever 12g. One is a synthetic stock with a 20inch barrel and the other a wood stock with a 28inch barrel. After shooting at least 3000 rounds of mixed trap loads and slugs on each one I must say that the guns are solid and never gave me issues after the first 250 rounds. When brand new the action would stay locked sometimes after a shot, and I would just turn it around and bring the stock to my knee and pull the lever hard and it would eject. The only complain I have is that the one with the wood stock doesn't have the same fit as the synthetic one. To close the lever all the way you have to press really hard and it's not a fluid motion. The synthetic stock doesn't have this problem and I'm lucky that it fits me like a glove. Once again, thanks for the chanel, it's highly educational and interesting. Regards from Canada.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hello Pedro! Thanks for your kind words - they mean a lot to me! I like to hear about guns that work hard and well - and 3000 rounds is clear proof - the Adler is a tank. I'm glad you shared your experiences and details of operation. Many people want to like these shotguns more - and good reports help.

I have the same gun with 26 inch barrel. Action was stiff but smooths out very well after 100 rounds or so. Ejection can be weak if you don't push the last leg of lever travel hard enough. After 2 years owning it, taking it to weekly trap shooting and some 3 guns events, had bird/buck/slugs going down the pipe, everything held up ok. For the price (less than $300 canadian dollar) I would not hesitate to buy it again.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

6 жыл бұрын

Good news Di Qiu - I like hearing that. A product that works at little expense is what we need. I should have probably kept mine longer.

I would probably stick with the new Henry lever in .410 the 24" bbl one. But they also have single shot in 12, 20 gauge and .410. Thanks for the unbiased report.

Thanks for your reviews. They are greatly appreciated and informative. I pay attention to many people. More opinions equals more knowledge. Thanks.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

3 жыл бұрын

We're on the same page Twin. Every opinion is valued; meaningful.

@twintwo1429

3 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns thanks.

Aussie here, these things were rough as guts from the factory, polishing internals, wearing it in, and doing other general smithing works on the inside made it a hell of a lot nicer to shoot, but they all suffered the same, Adler, Pardus etc.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Paul - Great to hear from you. Yes - I don't know why they didn't take a little extra design time and smooth operation out and maybe change some tolerances. I've seen some broken levers and pivot points since the video. In the video I think I say aluminum can't be welded - which is of course wrong ( I used to weld aluminum ladders) - what I should have said is welding thin and small aluminum parts is not so easy. Anyway, someone needs to release an upgraded version with better linkages; although other owners have fired some of these thousands of rounds and had no issues. I guess there are a lot of variables. Best to you in the lucky country!

@fanbatcher

Жыл бұрын

Hunt Group version of this action is much better quality.

I have the Adler A-110 lever action, 20" synthetic stock. Here in Australia it's quite hard to justify to the authorities a need for what we call a "Category C longarm" being a pump or auto shotgun. So the Adler and the Pardus LAX-12 lever shotguns, and a couple of lesser know brands, are selling quite well. Mine was around $830AUD. We don't really have any choice, unless we want to stick with double barrel shotguns. I got mine for summer rabbit shooting when numbers can be high. I've shot a few foxes with it and also a few pigs. It works OK most of the time. Your criticisms of the small pivot pins are correct. These certainly won't be a gun you proudly hand down from generation to generation, LOL. Initially the Adler was also available with a seven shot magazine but there was a massive furore over the "new technology high capacity gun" so we are limited to the five shot mag version. In addition to the lever shotguns there are now a couple of brands of straight pull shotguns, made by Pardus and SHS, again both Turkish brands.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

7 жыл бұрын

Good to know - and public ignorance regarding firearms is a remarkable thing around the world. From my tree stand I'd say a lever is about a pump which is about a semi - so just allow them all - but I'm probably oversimplifying public policy things. Anyway, if the confusion allows levers then I guess one should leave well enough alone and enjoy/use the lever. Thanks for writing.

@thelastminuteman7513

6 жыл бұрын

I've always found it funny you have to justify owning a firearm in a land "where everything wants to kill you".

@Gieszkanne

2 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns In Germany its the same. Pump shotguns are more restricted than other actions. So a shotgun as leaver or bolt action would be easier to get. Pump actions are "evil" and "dangerous" lol. Thats kind of universal a global problem that politicians stupid!All around the world.

I've got one of those Hi Standard Flight Kings and it's actually the smoothest pump action I own. If you hold the gun vertically and just press the action release the action will completely open just from gravity.

Also Ozzie have 12 ga lever 28' field gun getting a straight pull next for a shorter gun 20' 12 ga they are good and a fun designs both of em.... especially when semi autos and pumps are more difficult to get. Lever class b and d and the straight pulls are category a, so less trouble to purchase and organize. Pick up my straight pull next week😁

The lever action looks like it may have problems, but that High Standard is very nice. The High Standard looks like a Mossberg 500, but with a steel receiver. I like it. Good Video Sir

@teppokuusisto144

7 жыл бұрын

my thoughts exactly! I got one Mossberg 500 which is marked New Haven AT 600 and it has bolt/lifter just like that Hi-Std/JC Higgins. That Turkish lever-action seems a problem waiting to happen - for me at least.

@paulmoss7940

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah,I have one with a factory slug barrel. Used to have one with a vent rib bbl but it got away. Sweet old pumps. Seems like I mostly like old guns these days.

@RickNethery

4 жыл бұрын

@@paulmoss7940 I like the old guns best too sir, they just feel like quality.

A couple of weeks ago on a hunting trip, I got to inspect a friend's Uzkon LA887. That one uses two action bars I guess you'd call them, one on either side of the lever but at the front of the lever. Seemed like a more sturdy design and did feel a bit more sturdy.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

7 жыл бұрын

That is a lot better - 2 bars - no twisting - or not as much. I'll keep an eye out for one. Anyway, I've heard a slick lever shotgun is in the works - gear driven and top quality. I hope it happens.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

7 жыл бұрын

+mudbutton2 That is a stronger design. Sorry for the slow reply.

One: It works. Two:The shooter has to be careful when operating the lever as too much sideways tension will cause the action to bind. It takes practice to use these well.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tom - they can be fragile, which is true of other designs - careful use, as you note - is the key.

🇦🇺😎👍I’ve got one in an Adler 28”. Mine has only fired about 50 rds and it hasn’t had a chance to fail but I agree they are a little weak looking. The next model they released was a lever release which I haven’t bothered to purchase but I’ve heard they’re good. Unfortunately we aren’t allowed pump action or auto shotguns down here because it’s all for our safety , apparently 😉…great honest video

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

11 ай бұрын

Thank you - I think you're right - they're probably more durable than they seem.

That's advanced lever action technology there! I should also add that I believe these have/had a large market in Australia as it was a way to get around the gun laws.

@tinytedy

7 жыл бұрын

No your wrong its NOT new technology let alone advanced, its an upgrade of 160+ years of lever action shotguns in Australia.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

7 жыл бұрын

+tinytedy Good point tinyhedy. Thanks for writing.160 years is a long history indeed. I had an old lever .410 and good news : Henry makes a nice lever .410 as again. Good Shooting!

@jacobgreengas7121

3 жыл бұрын

@BloodontheBlade when I said get around the gun laws I was referring to getting around the spirit of the laws, not the letter of them. The spirit of the laws was to prohibit rapid firing shotguns except for a few groups. But, by leaving lever action shotguns in category B, it allows people to get around the spirit of the proscription placed on pump action shotguns which are in category C.

Mike, I've never seen one of those. I would be a lot more prone to buy one if it was of steel construction, as the older guns were. Great video!

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ron - steel would be better especially for the more fragile, high stress parts; although people write me that they last and run with no problems.

Very informative..

Great vid, and new info! Don't think I would go down the path of a lever action shotgun, especially with a short barrel. I say that now, but who knows about later? :-)

I like my 1887 12ga. reproduction. Original design, just beefed up to shoot smokeless. Still clunky like the originals, and long lever throw, but fun to shoot.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

Жыл бұрын

Hi Kevin - I have the same shotgun - I think its excellent as well - a keeper.

I have a emerald lever action I have put 2000 rounds through it it has not faulted once it came with three chokes, by the way you can weld aluminium

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

6 жыл бұрын

Yes - they can last - I've only heard from a couple of people that had malfunctions. And yes - stupid me - I should have been more specific; I used to weld aluminum myself - only certain aluminum parts are very difficult. Thanks for writing.

Thanks. never getting one now.

Cosmetically it looks pretty nice Id prefer a Turkish gun vs a Chinese one tbh unless it's a old norinco

Thank you Sir!

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you marc : )

is it possible to get your hands on one of those taurus judge lever action revolving shotguns? would love to see a video covering it

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

6 жыл бұрын

Great idea - I'll look around. I handled one and it was unique for sure.

@TheTeeWorldsfreak

6 жыл бұрын

I have seen one on pictures and ways surprised, because it looked quiet goofy

great guns!

Thanks for the breakdown. I like the way it looks,sturdy and compact. But the fun of shooting is putting hundreds of rounds thru it. Your breakdown exposes that the lever action may not stand up to rigorous vigorous shooting.Look nice on a wall though.

there r greywolf ride side of the rifle..this is our mythological icon !

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Now we know! And I am not being sarcastic.

How long is the barrel on that lever action shotgun? Looks cool

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

I think it was 16" - I sold it though so can't measure.

I’m not buying one. I have not handled one, but from your video the one word that comes to mind to describe the action is “flimsy”. I don’t much like “flimsy” in firearms. Thank you for this review.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Richard - I'll pass as well.

Wish I saw this vid before I picked mine up but meh, it was cheap and looks cool. Mine is missing the choke, do you know if any other brands fit?

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

They're actually not too bad - someone told me Remington chokes fit - but I'm not sure. Sorry I don't know more.

@ACOGLMT556

4 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Hey, I'm sure it's okay, I've had other Turkish shotguns that were great, not not a fan of the lever not being smooth and no lever safety. I read it was the Winchester/browning standard invector choke that fits, hopefully that's true as that's what I ordered. I tried my hatsan choke in it that's suppose to be a rem choke and it did not fit.

i have a black Aces lever action, fun gun.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

3 жыл бұрын

Great! I had to look those up - they really are something. Thanks for the note and have a Happy New Year!

I have nu use for a short barrel lever action shotgun BUT it does look very cool. Almost worth all the government paper work.

Thanks for the heads up, I think they are junk. What not just get a much faster, and reliable better quality pump?

Uzkon is better .. in Australia its how we get around no pump action .. o P.S. tell Remington to make one ill buy it

@mdkcjtl5523

5 жыл бұрын

Really no pumps fuck ? Will I enjoy shooting my Remington 870 wingmaster in 16 gauge with an extended tube that holds 7 rounds now

Look at that subscriber count going! Almost at a 1000!

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

7 жыл бұрын

Fantastic! It must be the juice.

@Stigstigster

7 жыл бұрын

USOG You've had a mention or two on reddit. You have a fantastic collection and a good presenting style so I'm not surprised your subs have gone up. Please keep sharing your collection with us because it's not like the others. Lots of rifles (and shotguns) I find very beautiful and interesting so far.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

7 жыл бұрын

Will do and I'll have to check out Reddit.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

7 жыл бұрын

+Tathar Calaelen Thank you Tathar!

the jc higgins all day long!

I dont know whether you like double barrels or not. But I think you should check out Akus brand shotguns. One of the best Turkish manufacturers, also producing for Weatherby.

@HaraldSjellose

Жыл бұрын

Turkish break action shotguns are usually produced much better than other action types. Maybe because they have the historical expertise for it, but not for other mechanisms.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

Жыл бұрын

Thank you - you're right. Turkish shotguns - doubles and O/U are excellent and pumps as well

@HaraldSjellose

Жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I believe excellent might be a bold statement :) They used to be very good in 90s, when we had almost no export and most shotguns were produced for domestic market. After 2010s with the export trend I hear from some experienced turkish shooters that they cannot find the same quality anymore. But nowadays I also do not know whether the quality control standards for export and domestic guns are same or not.

А как это ружьё называется? Модель и марка ружья

Bozkurtlar ulusun ! Tanrı Türkü korusun !

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

7 жыл бұрын

Evet! : )

BOZKURT işleyen eller dert görmesin 🤘🏻CCC🇹🇷

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

selamlar sena

@tomfuller4205

4 жыл бұрын

English Translation from Turkish: BOZKURT does not care about the functioning hands 🤘🏻CCC🇹🇷

Check out the century 1887 lever shotgun it’s a copy made in China copy looks good and shoots good

@allansayers6149

2 жыл бұрын

I've shot one, they shoot good.

IDK pretty hard to beat a old glassy pump action Model 12/870/37 and of course the less glassy but always reliable 500 w/the safety wher Jesus said it should be.

@muffinxcancer

3 жыл бұрын

Amen brother

so two points. Black Aces Tactical has a MUCH better design without the dog ears on the lever like yours. It's a lever more like a Marlin in how it attaches. 2. you are wrong about welding aluminum... you CAN weld aluminum, but it requires special equipment designed for such. Great AND fair review of the shotgun you got.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you - and stupid me - I even used to weld aluminum myself. It is so funny what one says in a one take video. I meant to say the right thing - and the aluminum on this shotgun is sooo thin - not easy at all.

Does any one know if the synthetic adler arms stocks would fit on these?

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Rylie, A viewer did it - he reported there was fitting etc... needed though. Sorry I don't know more.

@ZarkowsWorld

Жыл бұрын

Rylie, why don't you get the Adler level-action shotgun then, instead of trying to take one of their parts and squeeze it onto a competitors stock?

I agree, that lever connection speaks failure down the road. It is not aesthetically pleasing to my eye..!

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Alex - Odd gun for sure; apparently some viewers have great success with them though.

I feel like they shoulda done a Marlin Goose Gun bolt knockoff instead.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

6 жыл бұрын

Hahaha - hard to get the Goose wrong.

Uzkon is better then most .. its in Australia that we like them no auto or pump allowed ..

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Stuart - I hear you! Maybe some astute brothers in the Lucky Country can start making a "Made in Australia" lever - there has to be a better way. Aussie products are better.

Hi Matt, in principle that is an interesting concept. In practice, what a piece of junk. The levers operation seems kind of Savage model 99, but a very anemic representation of the concept. There is no doubt in my mind that one if not a few of the actions cycling components will fail. And it won't take more than a couple of hundred rounds, if that many, to do so. The pivot anchoring point of the lever is very weak indeed, and not useing a two piece screw, as the Savage 99 does, is introducing a weak point into the chain, one of many by the way. It would seem that in the company's rush to market, the design engineering teams recommendations were likely ignored to save money. And instead of steel, aluminum was used in the hope that unwary buyers would not notice the flaw, and it is a major flaw. The small and flimsy offset action bar is improperly sized, improperly linked/attached and it's component base material is again I'll suited if it's aluminum. It should be at the least something along the lines of 4140 steel case hardened. I also see that it uses a rear trigger guard cross bolt safety, which when on safe would be dangerously close to the levers action bar. That is if the action can be operated with the safety on. Either way I don't care for its placement on this design. It would seem obvious that this was modified from a pump or auto to grab a specific market share in a jurisdiction where semiautomatic and pump action shotguns were prohibited. Greed at its best. I wonder if the ATFE here in the states would even allow importation of this disastrous design. I'm a bit surprised you have it in Canada. I would even prefer the Chinese copy of the Browning/ Winchester designed 1895 lever action 10 or 12 gauge shotgun over this time bomb. And that says a lot as that gun is very crudely made. It's a shame too, as the Turkish firearms industry over the last 15 years or so have come of age and are producing some nice quality and interesting designs of shotguns, pistols and rifles. Their own in house designed military rifle is well made and thought out and seems to get decent grades. Me, I would most definitely pass on this future pile of broken parts. The only solution would be to have a smith, with machine shop and forging abilities beyond what I'm set up for, make replacement parts out of steel to head off the inevitable disaster that WILL happen to this shotgun. And hopefully the lever or linkage will not snap off after a live round has been chambered !!! Ouch !!!

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing detail and excellent post. The aluminum support did break - so I tried to have it welded but it is too thin - 2 welding shops said no. I sold it as is to a fellow who said he knows how - and he probably does. Thanks for your expertise and for taking the time to write!

@bobgarr6246

3 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns good riddance to a problem gun, huh? As an option though, I was mulling this over just for the mental exercise. Not having it to examine myself, I am considering the possibility of getting a lever and action linkage from a Marlin, Winchester, Henry, Rossi and the like and reshaping them to fit this gem. By heating to temperature to reshape and maybe doing a small weld or two this might be an effective fix. A Winchester style large loop lever may even have enough metal in it to facilitate a correct fabrication. These are avenues to approach rather than try to carve out what is needed by hand with files and elbow grease. Even close in size bar stock heated to temperature to reshape via a jig into correct form would be less work than doing so by hand. And milling the part out on a machine would be time consuming, non cost effective, and a lot of prep work in design and layout. Yup, I'd try the reforging to shape a similar component part first. I doubt I would have EVER bought one of these for myself, or even for the reference collection. But if a customer walked in with one, sure , why not. But up front let it be known that the fix will cost more than the price of the gun. Sorry yours failed so soon, but it's not like you didn't know it would happen. Moving on, next acquisition please. I'd love to see you do a video on some of the fine little Cooper Arms .22lr or the early Kimber 82's like the .22lr Super America's. Or an oddity like the only other pump action centerfire rifle, besides the Remington 760 series, made in the U.S from back in the day. The under appreciated Savage model 170. Even a piece on the prolific Charles Daley shotguns, or the nice Fausti style. Or a comparative analysis between the Anson & Deley boxlock and the sidekick actions and Greener cross bolt, under lever and other common bolting methods. Thanks for the kind words as usual. Stay safe, Bob

Thanks for you input. I was interested in one of these. I think I'll pass. I'd rather spend money on something that will last.

Your concerns and complaints are mostly unfounded. My Black Aces Tactical Pro L model has run 100% with a steady diet of OO buckshot. The only item that failed or came loose was one of the pushpins holding the trigger assembly. You may want to reconsider criticizing a gun before you even shoot it.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

Жыл бұрын

Great post Moto Mo - thanks for taking the time to share - I'm glad your Black Aces Tactical Pro L is working for you! All the best for the hunting season and good shooting!

@fanbatcher

Жыл бұрын

I don’t hunt. This gun is for home defense and blasting bad guy targets at the range…..

I want a 10 gauge

I wouldn't waste my money. I'd just buy a Winchester 1300, or Browning long recoil if I was spending more money. I'm not holding Turkish delight up near my face.

A lot of fairly good quality and excellent value firearms come out of Turkey. That might not be one of those!

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

3 жыл бұрын

You're right - Turkey makes some great guns - they did their best with the linkage but it is a lever operated pump...a new idea is needed. I'm not smart enough. Yet. 😂

That is definitely a poor design on that lever. But I can say, I own a RIA VRPA40. Mag feed 12 Gauge. It's make in turkey. It's a rem870 style pump ,.dual action bars. And let me tell you. This thing runs great. Actually built pretty good.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

Жыл бұрын

Hi John, I agree; Turkey makes very fine firearms

If I was given the choice for a shotgun, pump would be it. For several reasons.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

7 жыл бұрын

It's true John - pumps are tanks and in rifles too. The Remington 760 is popular enough but an unsung hero.

Maybe useful for Austria - SE Germany - since some influencial idiots deemed pump shotguns not suited for the underlings; repeaters and leverguns are obtainable.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

6 жыл бұрын

Hi Ragnar - when it comes to guns there are so many unusual laws based on even more unusual ideas. Anyway, I didn't know that pumps are being limited in Austria/SE Germany. I am aware that Australia declared pumps evil or some such thing. To me - this is an excellent opportunity for a manufacturer to come up with a high quality lever action. So far what we have are a .410 from Henry (there are some Winchester and Marlin .410s around as well but they are out of production) and the levers from Turkey - which are okay I guess. Still, would be nice to see a slick, modern (maybe gear driven) lever action - something like the BLR. I'll email Browning. Pressures are low and it should be not be that difficult to do. Thanks for writing.

@adamperre4852

3 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns hi there another Aussie here we can have pump action rifles eg 308 223 etc that can travell way further than a shot gun but can't have pump shotguns work it out the rules get made by people who have no idea and if Trump gets voted out u guys in USA would probably have to hand in yr semi autos and pumps and then we will see how u guys like it I wish we had GUN LAWS like USA 😭

LOL, looks higgledy piggledy. Don't get tangled in the mechanism..:)

A few months ago a newcomer showed up at my local trap range with one of those contraptions. Part way through his first round he retired as the thing had fallen apart. One of the screws had fallen out onto the grass and he could no longer operate the lever. 'Nough said.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Haha - yes these are adventures to own - should come with a spare parts kit.

Its the worst one. Try the “hanic lever action” it is the best. Also theres material option.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

6 жыл бұрын

I'll try to find. This one could be a lot better with minimal changes; yet another reader wrote me and said it is fine as is and he fired countless rounds with no issues.

Thanks for the informative and interesting reviews! But I can't contain my curiosity about the weirdly pronounced words. I've only watched 3 or 4 of your videos but immediately picked up on the unusual pronunciation of "lever" (gets pronounced like "leaver") and "iron" (gets pronounced like "I run"). Is this an accent from some particular locale, or just a personal idiosyncrasy like Stewie Griffin and his "cool whip"?

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Jim, Thanks for noticing. I receive a few comments on pronunciation. I try to use a blend of pronunciations so there is something for everyone. Ga-rand and Ga-ronde and Grand; i-run and i-ron and ern, leever and laver and le'ver, Socko and Sako. Some of the pronunciations from certain places I have difficulty copying or even remembering sometimes - but all are interesting. I was corrected the other day: it is he-lee-coptor not hella-copter. Anyway, I like all of the different pronunciations so long as people understand one another. The British say toe-ma-to and others, toe-may-to. I even get my spelling wrong: Evidently it is not Mom - it is Mum. Room for everyone and everything on this great earth. All the best to you.

@dangerousfreedom4965

4 жыл бұрын

USOG what state are you in?

Oh dear !!

I think aluminium and polymer guns like toys. I like stainless steel guns, I like weight guns.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Yes - that is an excellent way to describe proper guns - which ought to have some weight to them. Surely we have not become so weak that we can't carry a decent gun. : )

Not convincing. But they also make pump action shotguns that are OK and dirt cheap.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

7 жыл бұрын

Fair enough - and they do work. How they manufacture guns at such low prices is amazing on its own. One can always buy two : )

I don't think you can be fair if you review a gun you really don't like.

Mine is smooth as.....Hit and miss, but mine is smooth as..

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

2 жыл бұрын

You're right - they wear in nicely : )

I believe in Turkey their are many different factory's with different names that produce what looks like the same guns. I don't think aluminum is acceptable for working an action, its inferior. I'd say Turkey makes beautiful guns that function. I can't speak about their endurance but they go bang. I wouldn't hesitate to take a Mossberg 500 any where and can handle most game. But I'd want a magnum for dangerous game. My Turkish Charles Daly is semi-auto it go's bang and is accurate its uncomfortable to operate big and long,..but not too heavy. I'd buy a Turkish pump gun I could evaluate that type very well. I always wanted a Armscore pump shotgun but I believe they rebrand Turkish guns now. I believe the trend now is to sell American's worthless junk. Perhaps a company will sell a up grade kit to make the Warrior dependable,.....like a steel lever and action bar and steel pins or screws so Australians can have dependable defense.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

3 жыл бұрын

Great post - I like the Turkish guns - even this lever works but one has to be careful - I have a Turkish .410 that is just wonderful. Thanks for taking the time to write.

I don't like critics !!

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

Ай бұрын

That's okay : ) All opinions welcome here. Someone wrote a long time ago : "Those who criticize the critics are critics themselves" 😂 Best is to like all opinions IMHO Thanks for the note and all the best.

Totally agree with you. Even 6 points are too high.

Winchester 1887 was a lever action shotgun this is a........................converted pump to lever to avoid restrictions and laws but is it better then browing his 1887 after 10.000 rounds?

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

6 жыл бұрын

I doubt it. : )

@Berniessen

6 жыл бұрын

By the looks of it i lost intrest this for me.....as first impression gets in the garbage bin not intrested....looks cheap is made to fail.....Doesnt look solid at all..compared to a 1887 this is.......cheap made (the design could of worked out to be much stronger and solid)

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

6 жыл бұрын

Okay Ben - you must be a clairvoyant - the lever handle broke off right after the video The lever hanger cracked. I'll take and 1887 every day no matter how many rounds it has.

@Berniessen

6 жыл бұрын

I am not a gunsmith but everybody with with some technical skills knows its rubbish designed to made a quick buck in sales.....But in 50 years from now the gun is ereased from the history books and in 100 years from now Browing patents will be around..........Like i play around with a 1895 made 1893 winchester cause it build to last but that weak crappy gun was made to get sold and break i gues.....

Good lord that is a long throw. That’s cumbersome, weak and looks to slow. No. I’m sorry but that is not a reliable design. That High Standard is reliable and smooth functioning. That is a very good field gun. I actually have a very reliable Russian copy of a Browning over and under. I have taken a lot of upland game birds with it.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Sort of an afterthought - that lever activated pump; and the Russian guns are excellent in my experience as well.

Kind of a half assed design. I'll keep my Browning.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

7 жыл бұрын

Brownings are hard to beat.

@THE_YIGLER

6 жыл бұрын

These are typically marketed towards Australians since they cannot legally own a pump or semi auto shotgun.

@tinytedy

6 жыл бұрын

We can have pump action rifles but not pump shotguns, stupid hey. But we can have a lever action shotgun?

@danielquevillon5561

6 жыл бұрын

that is weird...

@cammo7014

5 жыл бұрын

@@tinytedy when they wrote the legeslation the person advising the government didnt add the wording "lever action" in the shotgun category. Thats how fast the legeslation was written. Thats a true story btw.

Adlers are WAY better constructed than chiappas

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

That is important John - people value these kinds of comments.

ungly short barrel

please stop trashing the design i just want to be australian in peace

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry mate - didn't mean to trash; just not the best. I heard from a few gunners in the lucky country these are "allowed repeaters" - I hope some enterprising blokes manufacture something better "Made in Australia."

@SnoopReddogg

2 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns the worst thing about Lever Action Shotguns is that everyone knew they were legal since 1997 but no one wanted to invest the capital in manufacturing them in Australia with the possibility of getting legislated into bankruptcy but gun shy politicians. That said, it's rumoured Kerry Packer tipped some money into the ADI/Lithgow version of the 1887, but that never came to anything and by the time it did, Norinco had copied it. What Australia needed was a modern version of a Lever Action Shotgun, not retro replicas marketed for Cowboy Action style shooting. While the current batch of LAS's are modern, their Lever mechanisms are universally cheap and nasty designed to use existing PA components/architecture. What they should've done was revisit the Kessler LAS (as used in the marlin lever-matic) and/or base the Lever/drop trigger mechanism off the Winchester 88. If the end result was a product that cost $500 more than the current bunch of el-cheapo Turkish Guns, I'd still by one if it was reliable, functional and well made.

stick to my chiappa 1887

@newman793

3 жыл бұрын

connor2dap Those are garbage

*Leh* *ver* not *Lee* *ver*

50% usa guns are not made home but from everywhere and stamped with usa

My semi warrior is utter trash

Great video, but that is a horrible design just waiting to fail.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

I agree. Thanks for the good words!

İts from my country lol

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Ted - only a shotgun; still a great country : )

I’ve got one , payed 300 Aussie dollars and it’s rubbish , wouldn’t recommend buying one

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

Жыл бұрын

Hi Beau 😢....I know what you mean - the lever eventually broke off on mine - the aluminum welder fellow tried to weld it back together but it looks like it has warts now. You deserve a better gun. I'm not sure what's happening in gorgeous Australia these days - gun laws wise - but a pump 870 is the way to go. Maybe that's not possible for now - I feel so badly about that. They seem to be buying nuclear subs to defend against invaders but the good citizens of Australia can't own certain shotguns. I'm so confused. Anyway, thanks for the note and a few steel parts here and there would have solved it all. I can't wait to visit Australia again. God Bless.

Why this one? There are way better quality lever action shotguns in Turkei .

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry about that - I only had this one so far. I'll find better one's I'm sure.

@DestructionBlack

4 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I got suprised cos most youtubers review the top tier firearms. Even i didnt know the existence of this shotgun. Thanks for the video btw.

Terrible cameraman.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

2 жыл бұрын

We're truly heartbroken to read such words - but we understand😥. In the early days we tried hard but had little experience. We're so sorry.

Looks cheap!

@Mr_Makina

6 жыл бұрын

pseudopetrus but very nice at the same time

I don't think i would buy one, just a poor design to me.

Ofcourse he will say shit about Turkish guns ...try cavik

There r a bit of fun for the price. A limited life span.. but it's a small price to pay for no mass killings. such is life....I wouldn't swap our gun laws for US laws for all the pump actions i the world....

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

2 жыл бұрын

Hello - Thanks for your post; they are a lot of fun - you're right : )

How sad is it that 130+ years after the the real lever-action shotgun is designed and made by in my vieuw the best gun designer in the world............Companys make garbage like this...........5 years later after 1887 something better shut of have come out in terms of lever action guns but no.......................120 years later this comes on the market.............its funny in a way......that since browing died nothing really big came on the market (AK47 and some other designs are good too) but most hand and rifles and semi auto rifles and pump guns are still based on his designs almost 100 years old in some cases.......

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

6 жыл бұрын

All true. We need another John Browning.

@6h471

4 жыл бұрын

In reading books about John Browning, I don't think he was too enthusiastic about his 1887 lever action shotgun design. He himself preferred a pump design, but designed the 1887 simply because Winchester had always made lever actions and wanted to continue them into shotguns. Browning also designed many guns for Winchester that they had no intention of ever manufacturing, and only wanted to hold the patents to them to keep other manufacturers from using those design features.

Turkish junk and over priced lol but in Australia if you have a cat D and buy a AR mag it costs over $150 each talk about being bent over

@AusFeral23

4 жыл бұрын

Im in Australia you can't have anything that even looks like a AR its pathetic

@adamperre4852

3 жыл бұрын

@@AusFeral23 we have f#@ked gun laws here in Aus and I can't see them getting any better we just have to put up with them and owe what we can better than no guns at all

looks very cheap

That is a poorly planned design

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Very kind words - somehow it actually works.

Junk weapon coming from a place that is the toilet bowl of the world.

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

I guess you're not from there. : )

@alexandrosachilleas7162

4 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Hi, not bashing your video USOG....just the gun.Would not trust my life with turkish weapons. The market has been flooded with them in recent years. Why would we buy and trust weapons made by terrorist hands in rogue countries when we can go with Mossberg...Remington....Beretta ...or Henry.....etc. The guys just dont want them. Not in US nor Canada.

That's one ugly shotgun, just not my cup of tea

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Eric - lots of people feel the same way.

@erichuntter2437

4 жыл бұрын

@@UnitedStatesOfGuns not sure you could use a shotgun like that for hunting, maybe for robbing banks and postoffice 😂😂

@newman793

3 жыл бұрын

Eric Huntter243 I hunt with a shotgun with a 14 inch barrel so why couldn't you hunt with this

@erichuntter2437

3 жыл бұрын

@@newman793 need a special firearms licences to have shotgun with a very short barrel over here

Big garbage is it.....I have a real 1887 made in 1894 and that gun is soooo solid sooo strong i shoot nitro with it all day everyday and that gun is around for 125 years and it will last another 125 years without a problem but this garbage piece of low quality max profit piece of junk wont make it trough the first 1000 rounds

@UnitedStatesOfGuns

5 жыл бұрын

I could not have said it better. One is a rifle, the other is an idea.

Do they have .20ga