utterly bewildered 1) how logical and practical this is towards "playing the game" yet despite the YT universe's plethora of everything golf related, this video is on its own? And it is a gem among the stones. How is this not commonplace advice? Great synopsis! 2) how your following is anything below "at least" 200k is beyond understanding for me because I see the others and you stand above in transparency and excellent analysis for any layperson to easily understand and appreciate. Much appreciated. Playing golf = put ego aside ... or suffer accordingly lol.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for your very kind words. My goal is to get to the dizzy heights of youtube stardom by continuing to put the golfer first in my content that I provide. Unfortunately the entertainment clock bait biased youtube algorithm doesn't facilitate the growth that I would like and it will have to come via good old fashioned hard work and editing 😁 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍🏻

Nobody goes to the effort that you do Jay to explain and demonstrate these concepts. Another brilliant video.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Thanks Cam really appreciate your support and kind feedback 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻

Jay, great video as always! Your previous video reviewing the Eleven Hybrids speaks for itself. More and more golfers should, and will, start playing hybrids further down in their bag. I just received my Eleven 7 iron and I am completely shocked (as you were in your first review vid) of how easy they are to hit, how forgiving they are, the ease of height and decent angle that is easily achieved. I sincerely enjoy your videos & reviews...keep up the GREAT WORK!

Am I correct that you said the loft on the first iron you hit at 77, 74.5 74 and 73 was 27 degrees? I swing my 34 degree forged blade 7 iron at 74-74.5 but cannot get 142 or 152 carry, more like 135. 27 degrees would be my 5 iron. This is such a useful video I am watching it for the third time. Thank you.

Jay, one of your best educational videos ever.proves the theory that very strong lofted irons work adversely for slower swing golfers. Keep up the great work…..

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely right for Slow Swingers, Medium to Slow swings are fine with more cranked lofted irons. Really the whole iron market needs to think that the loft choice is bound by your club head speed and therefore sensible distance gaps between irons rather than how far someone can hit a 7 iron 👍

I’ve just purchased these 4-8 I’m a sporadic golfer but don’t have time to practice and just want to go enjoy golf. I think these are right in my wheelhouse

I’ll have to keep this in mind for my older years. That hybrid was great.

@AskGolfNut

4 ай бұрын

Done a couple of videos now on how a hybrid head design can do wonders for golfers, as recently as possibly my most recent video or one before. You should give that one a watch it's pretty eye opening 👍🏻

good insight. it took a while as I got Ping i230 last December but I use 3 distances for each club from 7 iron onwards a soft normal and good one, its handy if want to keep the flight down or take spin off good post

Love this, Jay - thanks. Got fitted for JPX HM HL recently and this comparison validates the choice! I really think power bats are of limited benefit for anyone more concerned about control over raw distance

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

There is a place for all lofts to be used but it must be marketed differently. It should be centred around golfers with differing speeds needing differing lofts to facilitate sensible distance gapping and then transitioning into say hybrid or fairway wood heads when required, rather than the distance wars which they all are seeming to wage on each other 🤷 it's not good for the golfer and invites poorly conceived ideas and fitting methods 👍🏻

Fantastic video Jay.No surprises in there but great clarity. My 921 forged irons up to 7 (sometimes 6 but my strike is less consistent) stop on a dime, much faster than e.g. a friends stealth irons. My “problem” is at the long end of the bag on Par 5’s. My G425sft 3W is set at 17.5 deg and I get 180-190 Total yds from early 80’s mph (not sure of carry but high ball flight, limited roll. I’d love a bit more distance (200 yds). A similar test on speed/loft to achieve say 180 yd carry distance would be really handy! This was one of your best! Tx

good stuff Jay thanks!

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

You are very welcome 👌👌👌

That hybrid sounds really good as well!

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

The Eleven Hybrids are just cheat sticks, and for a huge proportion of golfers, going to a head design like this for it's ease of use would make the game more enjoyable overnight 👍🏻

I really like the way my 923 high launch flies when I hit it right. It really does get the height, which lets it fly near to 145, and stop, which makes me happy. Note and then my swing comes together and I get the 150 carry, with the height. It’s a wonderful feeling!

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

It's an experience that a lot of golfers that have moved to a High Launch design or even Hybrid design iron are having and are seeing huge gains in peak height and control. I think more golfers would enjoy the game more if they used these kind of designs 👍🏻

@jeffkellybaldwin7712

8 ай бұрын

@@AskGolfNut , when it flys like that, I say “it looks like golf”! I have hit a lot of shots that didn’t!

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

@jeffkellybaldwin7712 who hasn't 🤣🤣

I changed my P790 ™ to Ping I230… 10 to 15 yards shorter… and my ball stick much more on green… not bad at all… but I now feel short!

@AskGolfNut

7 ай бұрын

Functional Distance wins over Ballistic Missile Distance all day 🙂👍

@Skye_the_toller

7 ай бұрын

@@AskGolfNut😂 yes! Balls stopped even with a 5 iron … cheers!

I hit my 7 iron 155/160....with ping s55s ....I gamed mp5s before the s55s and hit 7 iron 145 / 150......very traditionally lofted irons ....play off 5 ....it's all relevant to gapping and loft ....I hit 4 iron 195 200 with mp5s and 200 205 with s55s ....then have a 3hybrid 215 220 ...3 wood 230 235 ....driver 260 ....I am 47....but yardage has been same for about 10 years now ....just is what it is

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely, and as age progresses it continues to get more difficult to retain the same speed that youth delivers. Still as long as the yardage gaps are sensible and the golfer is happy with the distance they hit, distance is just a number 👍🏻👍🏻

I have been watching this channel for awhile, and it finally hit me. This is Charlie brother Allen from Two and half men... the air laugh gives it away.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

That's a new one, I've been called Paul Caseys twin before 🤣🤣

@rickvann3489

8 ай бұрын

@AskGolfNut absolutely love you and your channel, keep up the good works, and God Bless

I have a slow swing speed - mid 70s with 7i. I see the benefit of the high launch club (higher loft + lower CG) but does that not usually come with an inherently wider sole that may have a detrimental effect with turf interaction? Which should be more of a consideration, given that golf is not often played off of mats?

Great vid in time for my iron fitting on Saturday ! I currently play TM TP09’s where the 7i is I guess like 31o+ and swing at 90 and carry 160 so when I get a rocket ship in my hands I’ll know the truth

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that fitting 😊 couldn't promise I'd stay silent though 😂👍🏻

Great info.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Thanks very much 👍🏻

As always another great video, for me this is a part 1 of 2. The natural follow up is at what speed/loft do you move to a hybrid. I'm getting older but have decent(ish) 7 iron speed at 83 mph. Bought a set of zx5's, in large part due to your review and review/compare videos, (thank you) after going for fittings (Srixon, Mizuno, Taylormade). My 7 iron distance is approx162-165, but for me that's actually irrelevant. It's 165 with a great decent angle (47-49) the ball stops. The 27 degree club in my set is a 6 iron, goes further, the decent angle is lower (45ish) and the fitter actually said with your speed I'd have hybrids above that. Because you've taught us well when i went for the fitting i was conscious of the dispersion and the decent angle in particular and got the clubs i needed to get me to the numbers i wanted. There have been 5, 7 and 9 woods for years. As a kid i remember playing with a guy who had these (i think they were ping) but 45 years later i would hazard a guess that predominantly we are still hitting probably longer irons than most of us should. Now my irons are sorted i'm looking into hybrid purchases (my wife loves me), i'm starting with a Mizuno 4 and maybe progressing upwards. Cheers as always.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Can not agree more with the above. Very sensible words spoken. There really need to be more content on KZread showcasing effective fitting of flight rather than launch monitor wars of distance 👍🏻

I think they should start matching lofts to club numbers, at least you would know which club you would benifit from. You never know, you might be better off hitting a 5 iron blade 150, than a forgiving iron with the same loft 🙂 Great insight Jay!

One thing to keep in mind when it comes to rollout distance is ballflight. My iron set are the Wilson d9, so the loft is 27 degrees, but they're weighted for high flight so if I hit a green with a 7 iron, the ball usually sinks into the green quite a bit on the first bounce effectively killing the rollout like the sim showed. I try to go for the most bottom weighted clubs to replicate that feel through the bag.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

It's true that with club head designs whet CG is heavily weighted or located very low in the head that flight would be higher and what you see is true. Many different head designs that all types of golfers use, the video is a more umbrella capture of commonality 👍🏻 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍🏻

@adam-oz1jo

8 ай бұрын

This exactly.. i play the ltdx set with a 26.5°- 7i and i absolutely send them into orbit and stop on a dime..

This is a great video, Jay. I haven't seen anyone else do this kind of test and it's very relevant to a lot of average golfers. One thing I did want to point out was that when you were hitting the 27º club you were taking a lot of loft off it - basically hitting kind of a wind-cheater punch shot, And I think you had to do this for the test because you were taking so much speed off and swinging (for you) so slowly. I agree completely with the premise: that more loft equals more control. But a slower-swinging player who is coming, say, 5º over the top, with the face open and delivering close to the static loft of the club - hitting what we'll kindly call a fade - is going to get more height and more spin and a good descent angle. Of course that delivery is not maximizing efficiency by any means, but if it's the same delivery every time and they know where the ball is going, strong lofted irons will work for them. And of course that's why we get fitted.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely right, and also the golfer that swings across with the face open would also produce more of a glancing blow so the efficiency would be measurably reduced thus needing even more club head speed to reach the 150y number. This is much more a picture of with all the ducks in a line, how little speed is needed, couple the everyday golfers own inefficiencies and the head speed number would have to increase 👍🏻

Suffering from extreme tightness in my rear shoulder has me considering the benefits of swinging below my normal 92 mph and constantly missing left. this video provides insight, otherwise as of yet, unpresented except for righty Matt on TXG which was rubbish viewing. You make a case for going to the opposite ends of the spectrum of control vs. launch. My game improvers might not be the place to be going forward. My experiment will take me to a set of japanese market only callaway epic max fast irons with nippon 950 gh shafts. Unfortunately the loft on the 7 iron is 27 degrees at 37.5 inches, so effectively a five iron playing a half inch short, low offset hollow head. My 84 mph swing will still produce about a 175 carry so hoping the softer shaft will add spin and slice shape to my normal deaf angry hook. Great vid, deserves many millions of views. Keep up the excellent production Jay. Might I suggest a video comparing Stealth vs Stealth 2 STD drivers as many of us dabble in the cost saving offerings, second hand and dont think that head to head has been done.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment, especially the millions of views bit 😁👍🏻 really glad you found the content useful, hopefully not golfers see this over time and use the findings to their advantage. 👍🏻

This is my current struggle. Currently use M4s(first year back golfing in 20 years). My last set of clubs were from about 1993. I beleive they were bladed, the 5 iron was a butter knife. That 1993 7 iron was 150yds on the money every time. These new clubs, yardage gapping is horrible. The bad shots feel good. And i think the offset is making my shots land left green instead of center.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

It's true that with loft changes over the years there is a great disparity nowadays of distance gaps between irons, really iron marketing should change to reflect the requirements of the golfer for sensible gapping rather than which company can make the longest iron award. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍🏻

@dobermanownerforlife3902

8 ай бұрын

@@AskGolfNut I find most disturbing, the bad shots feel so good. I don't think this technique of club design is very good for teaching.

@stevehannah525

7 ай бұрын

I couldn't have said it better. More spin sticks the greens better. I got tired of watching my loft jacked SGI clubs roll off the back of the green.

Great video, although how far a golfer hits a 7i really depends on how well they compress the ball and how high the initial launch is. Of course in winter even with a 27 degree 7i run out is not currently a problem - I think my golf club is issuing members with a snorkel and flippers!

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely, in the video I'm trying to give best case scenario. If a golfer adds in their own swing discrepancies and inefficiencies then the speeds would have to increase 👍🏻

@derekwhyle1884

8 ай бұрын

It also depends on spin, temperature and the type of ball plus a few other variables This is not intended as a definitive guide but a generalised guide. It is very good at that.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

@derekwhyle1884 mainly Derek this is more so an optimal understanding of what golfers would need to attain to get there, if you then add in the own golfers inefficiencies like swing and strike related issues then the speed also increases. Temperature and ball is another factor especial the temperature of the ball, but primary factors are speed and swing 👍🏻👍🏻

You have great swing

Can you do a follow up purely on dynamic loft? 70mph swing 2 different dynamic lofts with the same club? What are the potential drop offs or gains?

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Can Do although Angle of Attack may not be the same...... That would also influence Spin levels and a little bit of Launch Angle....🤔👍

Wonderful guidance. Nobody else does this, and I’m a golf geek who subscribed to at least 36 golf video producers. I am currently helping a son and a colleague look for irons. My takeaway from this is avoid any set that has a 7 iron loft stronger than 30.5, and by all means look at a 31 degree hybrid instead of a 7 iron, and similar hybrids to replace the 6 iron and possibly the 5 iron. Question: when you get to the 5 iron and 4 iron, would you suggest possibly going to a 24 degree 9 wood and 21 degree 7 wood? Or would you recommend staying with hybrids/utility clubs up to where a 5 wood comes in?

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Great question and depending on club head speed and launch potential, I will look at the descent angles passed the 7 hybrid iron to then see when the transition should be. I would happily allow the golfer to play 9 woods etc as this in itself is a cheat code fro functional flight as loft reduces. There really isn't enough information out there and I unfortunately don't have the reach yet as some of the bigger channels, but I've always tried to show that golfers need to come away from lovely shiny hard to hit long irons to move into hybrids and Fairway woods where appropriate 👍🏻👍🏻

@johnk.atchley5079

8 ай бұрын

I've become a confirmed missionary advocate for things like my Callaway Epic Max 7W with HZRDUS Smoke iM10 60 R flex shaft and Paradym 9W with Aldila Ascent Blue 50 R flex shaft, often let others at my driving range try them because you usually can't find anything except 3W and 5W in the demo rack. Today at the range I made two converts. One a big tall older gentleman with really old clubs, all metal heads with rails, no carbon. He was talking to a younger middle aged man there with his wife and two young boys, mentioned he had a heart attack some years ago. The younger man mentioned he began playing golf at age 7 but was not playing so much now. He had old clubs, Ping i3 irons released in 2000. Think they had belonged to his father. The regular shafts were perfect for the older gentleman and he immediately got good high trajectories and better distance than with anything in his bag. He'll be looking. The younger man had a fast swing so had to throttle back a bit, but he hit both miles high and long. Said he still loves his long irons, doesn't like utility clubs, but had to admit he hit those two woods more easily, higher, straighter and better than his long irons. Keep telling people if players like Dustin Johnson have both a 7W and 9W in the bag, so should we amateurs and the old knock that they were only for senior geezers and little old ladies with A and L shafts has been blown away.@AskGolfNut

thats a problem with how manufacturers of game improvement clubs are trending towards where lofts are getting stronger and stronger each year and cg is going lower and lower in the club head to add back spin. they are doing this so that you can get closer distances to profesionals with the same Number iron. the problem with this is that it is a tricky balance you need a trustworthy fitter to make sure you still get all the other numbers correct (landing angle and spin). that particular 7iron is actually producing a 170yd total which is similar to a 170yd carry and 2yd roll for a tour pro, so the final distance is similar but it actually lands and spins like a 4 iron. to me that doesn't seem like a good fit at all since it's actually really hard to play fun golf with 20yd roll on a short iron as not every green will allow for that. if you are in this predicament and already bought the clubs, my advice would be to play a spinnier ball which is the lowest cost change and doesnt require any swing change. but seeing how that 7iron performed i really just felt it was a poor fit for 75 club head speed and that swing. LPGA average 7iron is 74 club head speed and 104 ball, very similar to what you produced here, but landed 47 degrees with 6700 spin.

Anxiously awaiting the lifting of the embargo on the Mizuno 240 series irons for your reviews.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Me too 😊 I have a feeling though that the samples will be late into the country. Hopefully it will still allow me to do my normal forgiveness testing and edit the videos for embargo day 👍🏻

If not on hard links greens and you hit 4° down on the ball and get between 6k to 7k backspin the ball will stop as well on the green. It will hop and maybe roll 3 to 4 meter. Is this your full swing or are you doing half swings to show the reduced club head speed?

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Hi Wesley I'm swinging restricted to slow speed down to illustrate bare minimum speed required 👍🏻

You've convinced me to ditch my 7i and buy that Ping 6H (30 deg).

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Going hybrids is a great way to stop being punished by golf time after time. They aren't everyone's cup of tea for looks but if golfers can get over that, the high handicapper or at least golfer that needs some extra help, it's a no brainer option 👍🏻

Curious, if you take out forgiveness from the equation and assume you hot everything in the middle, would the JPX Forged go the same distance and decent angle as the HL? With the slower swing speed. There is a 1 deg difference 30 vs 31. Thanks, Ric

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Hi Ric, nope the HL and Hybrid design heads have their CG lower in the head which would gear launch the ball higher than the medium CG design of the Forged 👍🏻👍🏻

@clientbuilding8737

8 ай бұрын

@@AskGolfNut interesting. I assume you were using the HL in this video? I currently hit a Callaway XR 30.5 deg game improvement Iron 145 carry with a swing speed of about 78. The ball flight is reasonably high and usually sticks on the green with little rollout. I was considering the JPX923 Forged or one of the other player distance irons with around a 30 deg loft. It is frustrating getting fitted these days in indoor simulators and only being able to hit a 7i.

I've just started playing golf 6 months ago (after not playing since I was a teenager 40 odd years ago). I can't hit balls as far as You're meant to with each club. but quite early on I took my clubs up the range and hit every club in the bag 10x to get an average. I hit my 7 iron about 130 yards and 9 iron about 100yards And Driver 220-230yards. I tried a hybrid and didn't like it. Ii was about the same distance wise as my 3 iron only I feel I hit 3 iron better around 190-200 yards But trying to keep everything consistent is the problem. Just because I know how far it is to the pin and know what club ought to get there There are several other factors that prevent it from doing so!

The idea of golf isn’t to mess around with your swing to make your 7 iron go a particular distance. You should swing your clubs at whatever speed is most comfortable and natural to you, and take notice how far the ball typically carries. Then you can really know which club to choose for a given shot.

I notice you are only taking a half swing with your left arm just at or very slightly above horizontal on the backswing. I wonder if a shorter swing might also be a good idea for those of us who are in that slower swinging crowd. Of course a longer, fuller backswing normally will produce more clubhead speed and greater distance, but for those with less athletic coordination and skill it also brings into play less consistency and control and more off-center strikes.

This is so interesting. My 7 iron is 31 degrees and my swing speed is around the 76 mark but I’m struggling to even get 140 yards out of mine even when I feel I hit it well unless the top tracer and range balls are lying to me

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Top Tracer has been proven to be iffy at best and Range balls commonly either from excessive use and don't fly very well or by nature may be restricted flight, that results in not ideal data collection. The big take away from this video should be that under the best possible circumstances with the most efficient swing that 150 yards is attained, add in average golfers own unique inefficiencies due to swing dynamics and strike, then the speeds actually need to be much higher 👍🏻

@neilshayler3119

8 ай бұрын

Take no notice of top tracer I went away for couple of days and range had top tracer said 8 iron was flying 130 when warming up. Either they don't calibrate the range ball compound to the system or its way out as 8 iron a normal 150-155 using a AVX ball

@LeoBeebe

8 ай бұрын

Because you didn't hit it solid.. my 7 iron 162yd. If you have time go to simulator driving range, check your smash factor, 7 iron should be between 1.38 - 1.45 (smash factor). If you hit below that, which means you didnt hit it solid enough. Swing speed automaticly goes up when you hitting it solid

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Hi Philip, thanks for the comment. Smash factor of 1.4 plus on a 31 degree head is achievable with a radar system with a certain amount of deloft. If measured on a camera based launch monitor 1.4 plus on a 31 head isn't achievable unless it's very delofted. Just one thing though the last bit about the swing speed going up when struck well. The ball speed will go up with a middle strike but the swing speed itself is dictated to by the golfers swing and release pattern, ball contact is just a consequence of the swing and doesn't impact on how fast you swing the head 👍🏻👍🏻 registered head speed may change depending on the strike location through head rotation 👍🏻

On the SIM I hit my 7i around 170 consistently.. on the course it’s 35 here, 40 there, and maybe the occasional rip into oblivion 😂

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Indoors with indoor mats they cover a multitude of strike sins, most of them slightly heavy strikes. Take this out onto the course, will see a quite large dispersion front to back differential. How are the divots? Do you take them and where are they normally before or after the ball or do you rarely take them? 👍🏻

Many sources say you get 2.3 yards more distance with each extra 1 mph of clubhead speed. So if you got 145 yards with 76.3 mph for the 34 degree blade, then a 74 mph swing would produce just over 5 yards less carry or 140 yards. I can get that but only with my best shot and near perfect strike location. So you are proving that if I, like many long-time golfers, want to have a reliable 150 yard approach or short part 3 shot that stops, we need to either find a 7 iron with a 30.5 degree loft and lots of weight distribution and fast face technology to get the ball launching high, or pick up a 30 or 31 degree hybrid like you have here. It may sound funny to stronger players, but this 150 yard shot is so critical because if you play tees where you will have several approach shots of 140-160 on par 4s and can consistently land on the green with a chance to one putt and an almost sure 2 putt instead of a miss, a pitch, and two puts, you will knock a good 5 or more strokes off your score and feel a lot better about life.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Depending on dynamic loft, the 2.3 yards per mph can work very well and no where close 😊 couple that with golfers inefficiencies in swing dynamics, it can vary massively. 👍🏻👍🏻

My 150 club is my 9i 114 MPH Ball Speed 7000 RPM Spin its stops just fine lol. I however HATE hybrids, never like hitting them other then the original taylormade reacue wood

I'd say a good 80% of my customers need height and landing angle over everything thing else. I try to find as much of that as I can through shaft, then turn to high launching heads to squeez out any extra height I can. Depending on speed and strike constancy it can be anything from cleveland launcher xl halos to high lofted blades. The players distance category is doing really well for height these days too, I'm loving the zx5, 790, and t200 this season for damn near anyone once we get the right shaft in their hands.

What speed would that equate to for a driver.... I'm 60 and hit my driver at about 90mph. A reasonable 36degree 7i for me goes just about 140yds

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Under normal circumstances I'd suggest that 200 + yards carry would be attainable, haven't done this type of test so I'm now curious myself to find out 😊

@zittyrrrs7082

8 ай бұрын

@@AskGolfNut If only there was a KZreadr with the expertise that we could ask to look into it....😉👍

my club fitter tried to tell me the new irons launch higher and make up the difference of the 4 degrees of my Ping 410s. I think it is not likely they have done that in the last three years

@AskGolfNut

3 ай бұрын

They haven't done that much difference in the last 30 years with CG placements. Definitely have made good performance changes and has also lead to an increased range within a manufacture line up. But it's a selling game unfortunately 😐👍🏻👍🏻

I have the g430s…went from the Cobra AMPs I had for 10+ years. I now just club down on every shot compared to those.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Interesting how things have changed over the years.... 👍🏻👍🏻

@connerm4850

8 ай бұрын

@@AskGolfNut honestly I wish I would have went with the retro specs but those may have gone too high

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Personally I've always found that I could easily flight a ball lower. As I get older if anything keeping the baseline peak height is something I'll always grab 👍🏻

Cobra t rail hybrid irons launch high and seem to stop like you are throwing darts. Easy swings. The 7 is lofted at 31 - easy peasy 😛

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

You can deny the benefits of this style of head, next are the High Launch heads and are by far better than any other iron for that purpose 👍🏻

My 32 degrees 7i carries 120 yards. I am okay with it… 9i 100y and PW 76 yards… short hitter here… 😇

@AskGolfNut

7 ай бұрын

It's a big gap between 9 and PW of 24 yards with the 7 to 9 iron being 10 yards a piece. Any particular reason that you run a larger PW distance gap? 👍🏻

@anischab

6 ай бұрын

@@AskGolfNut Thanks for the reply!! I could have made an error in conversion from meters to yards 😇 My gap is 10m per 5 degrees of loft... I hit 60L(Ping Eye) 40m -- 55S (Ping Karsten) 50m -- The rest is Ping Rapture V2 Clubs : 50UW 60m -- 45PW 70m -- 40deg9i 80m -- 36deg8i 90m and my 32deg7i 100m -- I am inconsistent in my 6i and can't hit the 5i hence use 23deg H and a delofted 20deg (Ping G425SFT 19deg5W +1deg delofted in neutral) for longer shots (I am a straight but short hitter)... I somehow can't coil... I move "the left shoulder to chin" in the backswing, keeping my head unturned but don't tilt the hips... I am able to hit a fade on purpose, I rather want to hit straight shots usually and get the above distances in my straight shots, I noted them on a chart lately after hitting 3 in a row on the range when straight same distance... ball position varies in my stance, I hit a point in front of the ball when using irons (ball back in stance) and the back of the ball with the Wood (ball mid stance)... cheers and thanks for the interest in my reply!!!

What’s the old adage, pride/ego comes before a fall or should we say inconsistency in golf. Knowing and hitting your distances is the thing. That’s why I have blades in wedges and 9. Shallow cavity 8 to 6 and hybrids in 3 to 5. Trust your fitter and park the ego. Also, lighter shafts as you mature and graphite should not be ignored whatever age you are. Your elbows will thank you 😃

My 150 yards club is my PW at 47°.... I sometimes struggle keeping it on the greens when hit too well as it sucks back because of spin. My solution is to use "cheapo balls" which spin way less. However that limits the control on short chip shots.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

They also launch massively higher too which may or may not help. Do you swing mighty quick or do you play stronger lofted irons? 👍🏻

@francoisdesmoulins-lebeaul4273

8 ай бұрын

@@AskGolfNut I do swing rather fast, my clubs are "traditionally lofted forged blades" and yes my balls are quite high (about 40 yards) so they "plug"often on greens, even with the 4 iron (that is on the rare occasion I try to attack the green from 220 yards and don't miss it by a significant margin usually to the left... But that's on me, not the ball! 🤣)

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

@francoisdesmoulins-lebeaul4273 many aren't aware of the troubles golfers face with high swing speeds as much as the more publicised issues of low swing speeds. Although as you get older, the speed will come down believe me 😉😊😊

@robertcourt8593

8 ай бұрын

​@AskGolfNut it must be such a curse hitting short irons into greens and being able to drop back to hitting a long iron off the tee to keep it in play and still be able to take a mid iron in 😂 I never realised how lucky I was with my 210 yard drives😂

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

I haven't hit long irons for quite some years 😊 even I drop out at a traditionally lofted 5 iron (27 degrees) in favour of hybrids.... I've said this to all my clients over the years.... Why make golf more difficult and enjoy it less 👍🏻

Hybrids are great unless the wind is blowin

Gapping and carry are super important. I could play 2 or 3 degree stronger lofts and gain 4 or 5 yards, but it would start running into my hybrid and wood yardages. I never understood the movement to deloft irons for everyone. No one needs three clubs that go in the 190s for yardage. People that need greater gapping in the irons should simply play hybrids or more woods.

What happened to the Cobra V Mizuno iron videos?

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Hi Steve, I posted a Community post regarding this very topic earlier today, if you go on my channel homepage and select Community, it'll be there for you to read 👍🏻👍🏻

@SteveSmith-zz4ih

8 ай бұрын

@@AskGolfNut Thanks i thought it was great. Perhaps I525 or I230 and any of the Cobra tec/tour going head to head, might see some more views?

The first Mizuno irons had a 37 degree 7 iron!

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

I know, how times have changed.... The new normal 😊

What degree is the 7 Eleven?

@AskGolfNut

7 ай бұрын

31 Degree for the 7 iron of the Eleven Hybrid set 👍

Well in the winter today its 145 yards, in the summer it’s 160. Absolutely crazy. I’m a 6 hcp don’t understand it at all

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

I'm putting out a video on Sunday afternoon (UK Time) which will explain this exactly 👍🏻 make sure you have the notification bell on so you don't miss it 👍🏻

@dobermanownerforlife3902

8 ай бұрын

Cold balls are firmer. Less compression Cold atmosphere is dense. More air you have to cut through. Just 2 things off the top of my head.

@2sqnbandit379

8 ай бұрын

@@dobermanownerforlife3902 it’s like 20 yards less carry. The amount of times I was short of every green was insanely frustrating.

Are you Paul Casey’s brother? Ha just joking, wonderful video.

@AskGolfNut

7 ай бұрын

You know you aren't the first person to say the same thing 😁😁 Glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏻

i230 7i (32*) 157-160 yards. 45-47* decent angle (Trackman Numbers), MP20-MB (34*) 145-155 yards. Swing speed with 7i ranges 78-83mph subject to mobility on the day! The tin man often needs oiling! 😂

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Sean I feel for you there and needing the old joints oiling..... Normally takes me over 30 shots to warm up nowadays 😀

@leospaceman2976

8 ай бұрын

i230 power loft. Sounds like a good combo!

I'm coming from cobra airx irons. Trying to find something to grow with. Found that the mizuno 223s were absolutely smooth. Considering my 7iron goes 190

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Yep if your 7 iron goes 190yrds then you're definitely up in the high 90's mph swing speed so a more traditionally lofted set of irons will be imperative to not having massive distance gaps between irons. 👍🏻👍🏻

7i is my 185-190 club. I can hold a green with my 7i. I’m playing a blended set of the new t200 and t350. Love them!

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Wowser 190y with a 7 iron 💪💪💪💪💪💪

@Sportstouring

8 ай бұрын

Nope

You've also triggered a completely reverse thought. What is the minimum swing speed to use a particular loft with stop? Most people thing of an 8 or possibly 7 as the lowest scoring club. But what speed/distance should you give up on control of stop? People look at Blades as "too hard to hit" but perhaps the other end is equally import - eg "you hit your 7i HL 125, don't expect stop".

@AskGolfNut

7 ай бұрын

I'm intrigued, describe exactly how you'd like to see the test done so I know exactly what your thought process is 👍🏻

@Fractalgeek

7 ай бұрын

@@AskGolfNut I was thinking about what people should expect on landing, vs control. The faster you hit clubs & the higher, generally the more spin you get too. So eg an 923 HL 8i is going to come down differently to a 923 tour. There's a swing speed that will generate enough launch to create stop on the green. For some people, they might never reach it, but for most, scoring clubs have more control on landing, but what's too much? Hence swing speed vs club. For each club I'd expect you to be able to find a speed where stop is within the gapping (& green size). And that will come with a particular distance. It's the reverse consideration to "you need more help to get the ball in the air" from eg a 6i I'm also thinking about selection data. I have a green at my home course that is 140-160 range. A false front means you need to carry that. My perfect 7i is 150, but therefore I take a 6i, and generally play a cut for a soft landing - I need stop in 10 yards or I am through. But am I looking at it wrong? Is there a better choice that will hit the range but will not run through. It's about informing club selection, and where I should jump model/type.

What is that magic wand 31 degree 11 hybrid, and what shaft did it have? Don’t be cruel and a tease. 😂

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

I did a full review of them... You can see it at the link below... kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4Zl1c6LnKnHg5c.html

My stock 7 iron carry distance is 190-192 and my Cobra King CB 7 iron is traditionally lofted at 34 degrees, your video is very interesting and it shows that distance control is really important for all golfers including much slower swingers and that they should play with irons with which they can get sufficient launch and spin to stop their approach shots on the green.

@Sportstouring

8 ай бұрын

You don't hit it that far.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely right, not enough golfers see the importance of functional flight, or at least when they are fitted there is too much importance placed on distance rather than functional distance 👍🏻

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

It would need swing speeds in the 100mph region to realise that carry but I have seen it multiple times so necessarily wouldn't say that it's absolutely not possible. I've seen carries of over 200 years before with traditionally lofted 7 iron..... Now that's a sight to see 😊

Jay…I’ve broken down Tman LPGA and PGA Avg Tour distances yards per mph and yards per ball speed. Generally avg 7is are nominally 1.9 to 2.0 yards per mph. I use 2.0 because it’s an easy # to do the math in your head. Think this is a simple way to quickly access shaft fit for 7is.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

The lpga and pga are very much optimal numbers, with extremely good strike consistency and very good face to path relationships.... Commonly the everyday golfer doesn't get close to this level of face control let alone strike control so I would use it as a holy grail number, the actual number for everyday golfers would be much lower 👍🏻👍🏻

@sloswingspeed9535

8 ай бұрын

Actually, I’ve had many who achieve the 1.9-2.0 yds per mph. Have had in some cases used the 6i #s due stronger lofts in today’s heads. As I said it’s a simple way to estimate current and new club performance on the range with no Flightscope or Tman. It’s how I look at your in studio on a mat club performance. 1.9X seems to work for you.

Only issue here is your hitting punch shots at the lower speeds 71.6 mph and a launch of 14.2 and delofted your club to 18.6 ( with the 27 degree head )so its not the way most players at that speed would deliver the club head at all and when you went to the 31 degree ( 4 degrees weaker) your Dynamic loft went to 26.6 ( 8 degrees weaker ) I am guessing it has to due with that you are a higher speed player so it is harder to mimic it, I think it would be neat to have someone who swings at these speeds naturally hit the shots, good vids thou !!

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Very much so, it's more difficult than people think to be able to reduce speed and keep all swing dynamics and strike exactly the same.... I guess this is why no one does forgiveness testing like I do on all my reviews coupled with it also done at different swing speeds for golfers at differing ability levels to relate to... This really should be taken as a measure of what is possible given the best possible circumstances so in really life if a different golfer used the 27 degree and delivered much much more loft then it would go higher but with their reduced swing speed and reduced efficiency from the increased loft, the carry distances would also reduce 👍🏻 Where the 27 degree 7 iron heads really work well is when you have golfers in the high 70s to very low 80s to give them the correct distance and distance gaps between irons. I would really like to see manufacturers change their marketing to show that the main reason for producing irons with different lofts is for golfers that swing at different speeds and therefore ensuring the classic 10-12 yards gaps between clubs. Somehow that's not as sexy marketing as selling a 7 iron that hits the ball light years in distance 😊

How do these go 150ft yards swinging so slow!?!?!?! If I swing slow it will carry 120, and swinging hard I get 140. That’s with shaft lean and negative attack angle!!!! I truly don’t get it!!!!

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Hi Steve, do you have your club delivery numbers and strike patterns? Happy to take a look for you 👍👍

How far should you hit? Well right at the pin of coz

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

They don't always go where I want them to go 😊

Not sure why you're only talking about the clubs loft and disregarding dynamic loft. People in need of super-game improvement irons and even game improvement irons most likely don't have a good golf swing. Doubt they are delofting the club..... they might even be adding loft.

@AskGolfNut

6 ай бұрын

They commonly do add loft, quite frequently. This is more of a best case scenario for how fast or slow you can swing to meet the criteria, in reality with many golfers swings being less efficient, they'll have to put more in to get the same out 👍🏻

Played a county comp with a guy who had a whole bag of hybrids for irons. Just knocking everything high and down the middle. I was thinking this guy is no 32 HC, but he looked bored as hell. I'm having a ball hitting towering iron shots with my blades, then thinning some, and hooking them, but I had a ball. We all need that element of success and disaster. The reward is amazing and an equal low when you get it wrong, but Golf is a boring sport if everything just goes down the middle.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Honestly Paul, at my level I will take down the middle and at target every time absolutely as when you get no handicap to waste, boring is great 😁👍🏻

@robertcourt8593

8 ай бұрын

Are you sure it wasn't smugness instead of boredom? 😂

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

I'd be bloomin smug if I hit everything down the middle everytime 😊 I don't care if I hit a bag full of garden spades if it did it, I'd wave it in golfers faces as they walked off into the bushes 🤣🤣 I wouldn't actually do that for all the people reading this comment unrelated to the conversation... Its just for comic effect 😊 (have to be clear sometimes 😊) 👍🏻

@TenPester

8 ай бұрын

@@AskGolfNut the more I think about it the more speed dictates my drive. I could swing slow all day and hit it 120 yards down every fairway but where’s the fun in that?

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

@AshilanRulez would have to agree that 120 yards won't cut the mustard on most courses 😊

P7MB’s…….150 P790’s……175 Not all clubs are the same.

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely not, in a world where distance sells, unfortunately far too many times it's raw distance that gets pushed by fitters rather than functional distance 👍🏻

70 MILES AN HOUR LOOKS LIKE SLOW MOTION LOL wtf

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

It feels like it too 😊 but it's all relative. I've coached and Custom fitted golfers that swing a 7 iron at over 100mph, so my 91mph is like slow motion for them 😊 It's all relative 👍🏻

I swing 95 mph and can only make 150 yds for a 7 iron. How come you make it with 73mph?

@AskGolfNut

7 ай бұрын

Mainly efficiency of swing and strike. Do you have your club head delivery numbers from launch monitor as I would really like to find out from a 95mph swing, why your carry distance is so low 👍🏻

Not sure anyone wants their 7 iron to have 3400 backspin ? Ball rolling out like a driver shot lol

@AskGolfNut

8 ай бұрын

That's what happens with reduced speed and heavily cranked lofted irons. All iron designs really need to have their marketing around golfers needing different lofts for sensible distance gaps between irons rather than launch monitor wars about who can hit the longest 7 iron 👍🏻

@jeffwheeler1893

8 ай бұрын

@@AskGolfNut Yeah it's out of hand the lofts on clubs nowadays.

Use a 8 iron 😂