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  • @ShoppingEagle13
    @ShoppingEagle134 ай бұрын

    Me, watching: Wow, these guys really aren’t all that great Also me: *recognizes most of the names in the match* 👀

  • @FenekkuKitsune
    @FenekkuKitsune4 ай бұрын

    Honestly, regarding the overtime stack the cart thing... Part of it is that a lot of people are so untrustworthy with cart time. It's the paranoia of "If I'm not on the cart, they're gonna get off the cart and we're gonna lose". So many games I've lost to people getting off the cart when being trusted with it...

  • @BrittanyBaker-jt8ky
    @BrittanyBaker-jt8ky4 ай бұрын

    I feel like Emongg’s favorite condiment is definitely ketchup. Big ketchup energy!

  • @SuperAmericanism

    @SuperAmericanism

    4 ай бұрын

    Ketchup is the worst condiment other than fries 😅

  • @euuuughhhh7799

    @euuuughhhh7799

    4 ай бұрын

    @@SuperAmericanismmayo is worse edited out an extra word that was thrown in

  • @sethescope

    @sethescope

    4 ай бұрын

    I did not expect this comment to make ME desperately curious what sort of condiment energy I give off irl lol but I agree about emongg, I didn't know what ketchup energy would even look like until you pointed it out and you're so right about it

  • @SuperAmericanism

    @SuperAmericanism

    4 ай бұрын

    @euuuughhhh7799 when I worked in a restaurant we had to order boxes with just a medium trash bag sized bag full of mayo. The sight, smell and viscosity still haunts my dreams

  • @sethescope

    @sethescope

    4 ай бұрын

    @@SuperAmericanism ....... that is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard of and I'm so sorry you had to deal with it

  • @sethescope
    @sethescope4 ай бұрын

    there are so many times when this player looks at their critical doomfist and goes "nah you don't need harmony orb, go fuck yourself." like, is it probably going to save doom? maybe not, but you're not even trying to help them. you're choosing to not give them a chance to survive. and you're denying yourself precious ult charge by failing to help your doom. even if they die, that's ult charge for you and an ult that can save fights, rounds, and games. and as zen, you can try to save your tank from relative safety. it costs you NOTHING to at least try to help them. but instead, you just let them die. you really need to work on that.

  • @joelhenderson3723

    @joelhenderson3723

    4 ай бұрын

    And the icing on the cake is that healing doesn't even cost you time as Zen. A single flick across your teammate and you are back to dealing damage.

  • @Milky_Mercy
    @Milky_Mercy4 ай бұрын

    1:45 Emongg explaining the joke is like my 6 year old when he tells jokes

  • @sonicstar7374
    @sonicstar73744 ай бұрын

    Me realizing that the Doom, Junkrat and Soldier are queuing together since their names are 3 of the 7 deadly sins: *happy HH and HB noises*

  • @Wynorrific

    @Wynorrific

    4 ай бұрын

    I didn't notice until he made the Greed joke and then I saw Junk was Lust

  • @bryantromero9033

    @bryantromero9033

    2 ай бұрын

    Really happy someone else noticed that

  • @malin1884
    @malin18844 ай бұрын

    Does emongg like food by any chance? I wonder what his favourite condiment is.

  • @grife3000

    @grife3000

    4 ай бұрын

    He never answers favorite questions, he loves everything equally it seems.

  • @floflofloflo8608

    @floflofloflo8608

    4 ай бұрын

    blatantly a bot comment

  • @vent_ymtc

    @vent_ymtc

    4 ай бұрын

    I remember when emongg would eat chipotle every day

  • @chloeeig

    @chloeeig

    4 ай бұрын

    most ppl like food, we need it to survive 🙏🏽

  • @Pillowpetlover

    @Pillowpetlover

    4 ай бұрын

    Honey mustard most likely

  • @HmongHeroo
    @HmongHeroo4 ай бұрын

    16:45, that lucio on cart lived for so long edit: also, F to pay respect to that Ram canceling their own ult at 20:15

  • @gunk2542
    @gunk25424 ай бұрын

    i really liked the joke where you said the doomfist had a greedy play referencing his username because it was greed, it was pretty good since you made a joke referencing his username and i wouldn’t have realized his username was greed if you didn’t explain the joke so nice one

  • @nopunintendid
    @nopunintendid4 ай бұрын

    My favorite condiment is the friends we made along the way

  • @CaliDabbin710
    @CaliDabbin7104 ай бұрын

    This person was probably spamming "come to me for heals" lol

  • @capsNats
    @capsNats4 ай бұрын

    Whatever you do, KZread, do NOT talk about the incident!

  • @culein

    @culein

    4 ай бұрын

    !timeout capsnats

  • @zarikster9792

    @zarikster9792

    4 ай бұрын

    Im genuinely curious, ive seen people mention in stream too. Whats the incident

  • @Princ3ssCai

    @Princ3ssCai

    4 ай бұрын

    @@zarikster9792 On the green screen part emongg was trying to draw or something (I forgot) and every time it kept turning the screen around.

  • @sethescope

    @sethescope

    4 ай бұрын

    @@zarikster9792 there's actually no incident! at least im terms of the timeout thing. it's a meme based on how emongg is absolutely the last person to have any kind of incident - he's very wholesome, he isn't the type to cause drama, etc. so if you see someone in chat get a message deleted and then a stream bot says something like "don't talk about the incident," it's just a meme for fun.

  • @Real_MisterSir
    @Real_MisterSir4 ай бұрын

    One of the biggest differences between lower ranks and higher ranks, is two fold: 1. How quickly do you realize there is an issue you need to adapt to? (like your hero/playstyle isn't working with your team) 2. How quickly do you arrive at a workable solution to that issue? like picking Zen instead of Lucio/Kiri) That's in this case evident. You actually arrive at a playmaking decision (swap to Zen and roll enemy) that is multiple skill tiers above silver, but you're still primarily held back by how much time it took you to arrive at this gameplay correction. You are wasting a lot of time, well basically over 75% of the match timer you have available, before you reach the point where you actually make the good play. So the biggest difference between your current rank, and the rank you want to climb towards, is simply put that your troubleshooting process is too slow and you're spending too much time forcing a hand that just isn't playable with the cards on the table (aka your team and the overall synergy between you and them). My advice in how to become better at quick decisionmaking, is to pick just 2 support heroes and main them exclusively, and develop distinct playstyles for each - where they compliment each other's weaknesses. For example Kiri and Zen. Play Kiri in comps where the team dynamic is slower, methodical, and wants to push into the enemy team's frontline. On the opposite side play Zen where your team is high pace, more aggro, and want to play for a lot of space utility. Also pick Zen when you can contribute with more solo carry pressure potential (like when enemy don't use heavy amount of shields or play lots of high grounds etc, or they have direct target players towards you such as Tracer, Sombra, etc). When you have practiced these two very distinct types of playstyles with Zen and Kiri, now every time you're in a match you will be able to much more quickly read the synergy and dynamic of your comp, and make a hero pick+playstyle decision off of it. You will not waste 7/10 minutes per match being stuck on the wrong hero+playstyle, because there will be two sets of playstyles actively engrained into your mind and the knowledge of the strength of each type of playstyle+hero will be clear to you in the blink of an eye, rather than in the span of 3-5 business days.

  • @telco_
    @telco_4 ай бұрын

    21:30 "The Reinhardt is on Rein" Emongg, 2024

  • @reubensmy4493
    @reubensmy44934 ай бұрын

    Loved this on live stream. Your tablet game was second to none!

  • @vent_ymtc
    @vent_ymtc4 ай бұрын

    I prefer to be at least 69m from the frontline, unless I'm on Zen. Frontline Zen, best Zen.

  • @sethescope

    @sethescope

    4 ай бұрын

    I mean, if you're not frontlining as zen, are you even playing Zen? let's be honest with ourselves! hehe

  • @madlight5380
    @madlight53804 ай бұрын

    That poor Doom bro, barely got heals from zen😂

  • @jackhardwick1661
    @jackhardwick16614 ай бұрын

    I bet Emongg's favourite condiment is Ranch, especially on pizza and chiki wings

  • @rickkau7826
    @rickkau78263 ай бұрын

    I like watching everyone stack up behind Rhine and watching them scatter when he gets hacked.

  • @bellarue6738
    @bellarue67384 ай бұрын

    Honestly, the kiri gameplay looks like more Ana positioning, not perfectly but going on third point in the first round, that’s roughly an Ana spot to help your team from a great sight line

  • @jackief03
    @jackief034 ай бұрын

    I was told I play passively but I really don’t feel like being aggressive and getting rolled and then we end up losing the point idk how I should play sometimes

  • @Jordan-dg8tp
    @Jordan-dg8tp4 ай бұрын

    Also if there's one thing to remember from these videos - Five people doing the same thing, even if it's "wrong" is better than 4 people doing something wrong and 1 person by themselves doing it "right".

  • @Xratos1991
    @Xratos19914 ай бұрын

    This was a treat

  • @TgPepper
    @TgPepper4 ай бұрын

    If you’re not playing dive tank is hard right now but at low ranks if you’re playing dive you’re “throwing.” But Ball and Doom the two most most rage inducing tanks, are performing the best

  • @culein
    @culein4 ай бұрын

    Green screen bit is amazing!

  • @klae-who

    @klae-who

    4 ай бұрын

    looks like a swarm of locusts

  • @xr0ninx569
    @xr0ninx5694 ай бұрын

    As tracer, I love goin for zen wth pulse bomb since even if I miss, I find zen almost always pops ult once he hears the pulse bomb.

  • @TS-uu4hp
    @TS-uu4hp4 ай бұрын

    My general rule of thumb is, what can I get away with? Do they have a sombra/tracer? Does my team need help with them or are they doing fine? The space between my team and me is determined on what makes the most sense for our team/map.

  • @Tr3Swift
    @Tr3Swift4 ай бұрын

    Not too close. Not too far. Don’t go chasing waterfalls

  • @SenpaiPR313
    @SenpaiPR3134 ай бұрын

    Guys I think emongg said greedy cause the guys name is greed if u didn't catch that 🤣🤣

  • @ralphforbes5807
    @ralphforbes58074 ай бұрын

    Lol it's uh...its rough when it's a zen Lucio comp in low rank cause uh...alot of people in low ranks do not like to take cover 😅 but it's funny cause you'll see it sometimes an they won't really do anything either lol had one match where neither healed at all, like neither broke 2k in a 20 minute match, our poor tank...man's had double the healing on hog who he swapped too half way through

  • @marcele.batista
    @marcele.batista4 ай бұрын

    The green screen 😂

  • @Alphafan30
    @Alphafan304 ай бұрын

    Emongg strikes me as a ketchup guy

  • @alyssawhyy3630
    @alyssawhyy36304 ай бұрын

    really great vid

  • @eli8379
    @eli83794 ай бұрын

    I sure love condiments. I wonder what's Emongg's favorite condiment?

  • @beaten_tech
    @beaten_tech4 ай бұрын

    From the title i though they were gonna be flanking flat out.

  • @bobbybeaudoin
    @bobbybeaudoin4 ай бұрын

    Emongg:"break the rein shield with lucio/zen comp and rein will have no fun" Then it gave me an idea. Since Sym regen from enemy shields, imagine if she could regen shields with her pistol...rein/sym comps would be fun to see. A personal version of her old concept of shield gen but for shields, not "life shields"

  • @ectomancy
    @ectomancy4 ай бұрын

    Simple answer to why they lost: Rein charged and died at the end.

  • @Lappmogel

    @Lappmogel

    4 ай бұрын

    Yeah, that's what i'm seeing. Sure they're passive at kiriko and all that but in the end both team pushed in on overtime. What happens in the second round? Their tank goes deep and dies first in the first 2 fights at the first point and then everyone else in the team but this support proceeds to stagger in and die 1 by 1, giving away the rest of map for free. Then on attack the tank goes all in on overtime for no reason again and its gg.

  • @jamieduckhouse1675
    @jamieduckhouse16754 ай бұрын

    Testing, testing... algorithm?

  • @Jordan-dg8tp
    @Jordan-dg8tp4 ай бұрын

    Around the 6:30 mark, tthe amount of nearly Wisconsin/NE accent I heard was almost too high

  • @vanishhero964
    @vanishhero9644 ай бұрын

    The way I’ve found success playing kiriko is by shooting three kunai then doing a full volley of heals. That’s usually enough to maintain high damage and healing

  • @itsmandu
    @itsmandu4 ай бұрын

    I think emongg likes food and is considered a foodie.

  • @michaelroji
    @michaelroji4 ай бұрын

    i feel like he's just not being critical enough, maybe because it's silver, maybe it's just because Emongg is so nice, but there were just so many suzu's on full teammates with no one around. Normally right before the fight started when they might be useful

  • @amandopurperhart1351
    @amandopurperhart13514 ай бұрын

    He plays kiriko like he is playing ana, but to get more value as kiriko you need to play more aggressive angles and be more proactive in fights.

  • @floflofloflo8608
    @floflofloflo86084 ай бұрын

    Emongg unironically likes food. Make of that what you will

  • @Kiyoko4173
    @Kiyoko41734 ай бұрын

    Lollll I love when people overexplain a joke after every single person gets it. One of my fave forms of humour

  • @thatr0ryt133
    @thatr0ryt1334 ай бұрын

    Emongg talking about the support being too deep and then releasing the other support was at least 50m behind at all times.

  • @jdk00
    @jdk004 ай бұрын

    rumor has it, he hates ketchup now

  • @skinney5537
    @skinney55374 ай бұрын

    Mayo is his favourite food

  • @beta5924
    @beta59244 ай бұрын

    Gosh yt chat do I love food

  • @SuperAmericanism
    @SuperAmericanism4 ай бұрын

    I feel like i was watching myself

  • @notfound9491
    @notfound94914 ай бұрын

    ketchup is pretty cool

  • @SadTropix
    @SadTropix4 ай бұрын

    What's everyone's favorite team comp? I play a lot of Tracer so I like dive personally.

  • @theswayzee8179
    @theswayzee81794 ай бұрын

    Does emongg like Dunkies by any chance? I wonder what his favorite donut is.

  • @skinney5537
    @skinney55374 ай бұрын

    Why did he do that with the taco?

  • @nostalgjc1
    @nostalgjc14 ай бұрын

    haven’t finished the video but their zen is pretty good

  • @LadyKubia
    @LadyKubia4 ай бұрын

    Wow, look at that greenscreen! That's certainly a greenscreen if I've ever seen one. You think Emongg likes food?

  • @blind593
    @blind5934 ай бұрын

    Testing a Theory

  • @strawberiibunii
    @strawberiibunii4 ай бұрын

    Oh, i forgot to say is your favorite condiment Worcestershire sauce?

  • @iamcool544
    @iamcool5444 ай бұрын

    I went Lucio Zen a few days ago and my DPS immediately said we had to swap cause there wasnt enough heals

  • @kommandantkillcode

    @kommandantkillcode

    4 ай бұрын

    If they weren't dive dps, then there probably wasn't enough heals.

  • @iamcool544

    @iamcool544

    4 ай бұрын

    @@kommandantkillcode genji and I forget who the other was

  • @kommandantkillcode

    @kommandantkillcode

    4 ай бұрын

    @@iamcool544Well, the Genji shouldn't have been complaining lol

  • @sethescope

    @sethescope

    4 ай бұрын

    it....... really depends. this is going to be a long comment with nuanced thoughts, so prepare yourself lol even though Lucio Zen is meta in GM, top 500, and in tournaments, that doesn't mean it's going to work in your ranked matches. Lucio Zen requires everyone to play differently than they would if they had at least one support who could provide a lot of healing (Bap, Ana, Moira, those kinds of supports). you have to position differently with a low healing support comp. you have to go for health packs and really pay attention to your own HP instead of just assuming your support teammates will take care of it for you. it requires people to play more optimally than most people do in most ranks. in overwatch, a higher amount of healing means people can make more mistakes, basically, and that's much more necessary in lower ranks. I say this as someone climbing through plat rn playing a lot of Moira because most teams will just fall over without a support like Moira rn so, on one hand, your dps have a point. Lucio Zen isn't going to be enough healing in the overwhelming majority of games in the overwhelming majority of ranks. even before season 9, Mercy Zen often wasn't enough healing when I was in gold and plat, although it could still work when the rest of the team understood how to adjust their play style and be a bit more patient. as a Mercy player, I was always so grateful when dps would go soldier or mei and when a tank was able to go JQ or Hog, it really helped me out granted, I think the dps passive will help teams become more self sufficient and less dependent/reliant on healing from their supports. I mean, this was a silver game in season 9 and Zen Lucio worked pretty well, I was genuinely shocked by that. but still, in the overwhelming majority of games for the overwhelming majority of players, a higher amount of healing than Zen Lucio is almost required because most people need to be bailed out by high amounts of healing. btw, I don't say any of this with any judgment for anyone based on their rank or whatever. the highest rank I've ever hit was diamond 3 last season, im currently plat 4, I'm not that good. all of this is just based on my experience of what my teams need from me as a support main. I play support because I want to be what my team needs (not necessarily what they might want, which is especially true right now because not every team is thrilled to have a Moira, regardless of my play style LOL). if my team needs healing, I'm fine with my main contribution being healing and contributing damage/utility during downtime. this is just my experience as a support main who has played in gold 2 all the way up to diamond 3. most of the time, teams just need more healing to make up for the mistakes that are made as you're learning the game.

  • @sethescope

    @sethescope

    4 ай бұрын

    @@kommandantkillcode maybe they shouldn't but you KNOW many Genjis will 😂 Genji needing healing is a meme for a reason, although I have the highest respect for the Genjis who come back for healing or wait behind cover or go for health packs, we stan

  • @rickkau7826
    @rickkau78263 ай бұрын

    Zen / Lucio comp in silver is most likely an accident, not intentional

  • @neondead2.0.15
    @neondead2.0.154 ай бұрын

    This why as a supp you going in, no matter if you live or die.

  • @BridgetBoyle
    @BridgetBoyle4 ай бұрын

    I don’t think Emonng’s favorite condiment is ketchup. I think he used to be a ketchup kid, but now that he’s grown up, it’s too sweet for him. I bet he likes ranch the most.

  • @BridgetBoyle

    @BridgetBoyle

    4 ай бұрын

    Confirmed on stream, I’m right.

  • @pettersoncorreiamedeiros5761
    @pettersoncorreiamedeiros57614 ай бұрын

    Whoa that green skin

  • @alexandrematos2352
    @alexandrematos23524 ай бұрын

    Let's test this theory then!

  • @icto8624
    @icto86244 ай бұрын

    KETCHUP GANG RISE UP

  • @blakefisher6706
    @blakefisher67064 ай бұрын

    pray the algorithm

  • @Shon3GEES
    @Shon3GEES4 ай бұрын

    Good vid

  • @titusmanlius3933
    @titusmanlius39334 ай бұрын

    Seems like this game is a 4vs5 game : when your tank only play a very agressive doomfist and he is facing bastion zen mauga... all we can expect is the game to end fast ; in my opinion, there was no way the kiriko player team would be able to get out the attack spawn with their comp. I do know that people gonna tell me, "you can play what ever you want, composition is not the most important thing in silver"... I still thinks that any other tank would have been better then doomfist in this game.

  • @Tear27live
    @Tear27live4 ай бұрын

    Fantastic Video, great green screen

  • @Geddn
    @Geddn4 ай бұрын

    Instead of buffing Rein or any tanks we just need to remove discord orb change my mind.

  • @user-dt6us7kb4m
    @user-dt6us7kb4m4 ай бұрын

    Mustard is terrible emongg, I can't believe you would recommend that

  • @akosiaimeee
    @akosiaimeee4 ай бұрын

    I hate kirikos who play like this. They need to realize that their healing has travel time, so they need to play a bit closer to the team

  • @Hiebs
    @Hiebs4 ай бұрын

    What a swell video!

  • @YuJYIA
    @YuJYIA4 ай бұрын

    What's y'all's favorite condiment

  • @Rud1895
    @Rud18954 ай бұрын

    Mustard is clearly the most superior condiment

  • @mattbutler4539

    @mattbutler4539

    4 ай бұрын

    Based

  • @Oatmilk780
    @Oatmilk7804 ай бұрын

    I love mayonaise

  • @hellohi2413
    @hellohi24134 ай бұрын

    i do infact like food, ik it's quite an unpopular opinion tho

  • @georgyivanov2682
    @georgyivanov26824 ай бұрын

    just a comment for the algorithms, good luck on faceit

  • @seanlamontagne4751
    @seanlamontagne47514 ай бұрын

    Ily dad!

  • @duckthetruck13
    @duckthetruck134 ай бұрын

    Tiny emongg

  • @rtist2957
    @rtist29574 ай бұрын

    Food

  • @TraumaQueen65
    @TraumaQueen654 ай бұрын

    Supports need to stop trying to kill the tank and start actually killing the squishies

  • @Kuweiyo
    @Kuweiyo4 ай бұрын

    They keep healing the walls

  • @sethescope

    @sethescope

    4 ай бұрын

    the walls go through a lot. at least somebody is caring about them.

  • @Transgenic86
    @Transgenic864 ай бұрын

    Can a fellow human compatriot spare extra food units? My catalytic endomatrix is in need of sustenance. 🤖

  • @sethescope

    @sethescope

    4 ай бұрын

    catalytic endomatrix is my favorite indie band

  • @datoneguy9104
    @datoneguy91044 ай бұрын

    Naw I feel like emong is a mayo type of guy

  • @johnblessing9988
    @johnblessing99884 ай бұрын

    been watching for awhile and love the content! is it discord that you get these replays from and/or where could i submit and replays for the chance to be in a video?

  • @marciatb
    @marciatb4 ай бұрын

    More green screen pls love it hahaaha

  • @theprometheu5
    @theprometheu54 ай бұрын

    Why would that be so bad that players get the tank they wanted to play with? What if Rein rolls bronze even more for a month? Why can’t we have a Rein meta and ignore bronze players for a month? Ana was broken for the first 8 seasons and the balance team barely touched her…

  • @JackManSparrow23
    @JackManSparrow234 ай бұрын

    I am a bot too. I like ketchup.

  • @strawberiibunii

    @strawberiibunii

    4 ай бұрын

    Hello bot ketchup is nice

  • @Hiebs
    @Hiebs4 ай бұрын

    Mr Emongg, can I interest you in some tasty food?

  • @thezakmagrogan6177
    @thezakmagrogan61774 ай бұрын

    Emongg doesnt like ketchup as much anymore according to twitch 2/24/2024 around 10am

  • @ChefRengar
    @ChefRengar4 ай бұрын

    I get it !!! 😅

  • @strawberiibunii
    @strawberiibunii4 ай бұрын

    Hey Mr emongg. I just wanted to let you know that I like food. Oh, and also this video 😊

  • @darrellwade9711
    @darrellwade97114 ай бұрын

    69 packets of ketchup is the best way.

  • @TrollGuyy
    @TrollGuyy4 ай бұрын

    I love food thanks for asking! (Algorithm)

  • @xSweetPeachesx
    @xSweetPeachesx4 ай бұрын

    Hi chat!

  • @duckthetruck13
    @duckthetruck134 ай бұрын

    Ketchup should always win

  • @aru120
    @aru1204 ай бұрын

    ummm...so this guy tried to heal Cass 2 times...behind a wall.....not a good start

  • @TheBananabandit_ttv
    @TheBananabandit_ttv4 ай бұрын

    Tbh decently good aim for a silver but positioning is awful and for sure over healing too much

  • @duckthetruck13
    @duckthetruck134 ай бұрын

    Here from twitch to comment

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