At the beginning of the match, I'm sure the Hanzo probably thought his Soldier and DVa weren't doing enough about the Pharah. When she's coming in the backline without making a sound and 2-tapping your ass every fight, it's hard to not look at her if nobody else is. Obviously it didn't work out how he handled it, but I totally get where he's coming from.

@noahodum9737

5 ай бұрын

There's two methods to fight against pharah: 1) Focus the enemy team which makes it a 4v5 or a 3v5 if she has a mercy pocket 2) Swap to a hitscan and pressure her angles out so she's forced to play in the open. Playing against pharah is all about map control. If you're holding multiple angles, it makes it really difficult for her (even with cover) to not be a target. Most lower elo players struggle against her because they're sitting behind their tank and shooting at the enemy tank while the pharah flies around for free. Even if you don't kill her, but you deny her an angle, it's still a success. Where it goes wrong is where you focus too much on trying to kill her instead of killing her team. If you choose to swap hitscan to pressure her out - Ash is a better pick than soldier if you can aim with her, cass a close second. Soldier is good for his mobility and ability to take off angles quickly and suddenly. The only thing that he does well against pharah is being able to hit her at all if you can't aim. It's the rein conundrum again. Focus him too hard, you'll lose because you get outflanked and lose map control. Don't pay attention to him at all and he walks into your backline and kills everything.

I usually call this a "grandpa/grandma" playstyle. Takes plenty of time to react on anything, takes all the time to aim and ofc, they miss their shot.

After watching them swap to Soldier, this seems like a player who carried their rank through mechanics. Now their game sense is catching up to them and they're deranking because of it.

@Atsuru

4 ай бұрын

Agreed and I feel like Emongg actually didn't stress this point enough throughout the video. His positioning was all over the place. He was either sniper Bastion or face tank Soldier. There was almost nothing in between. I would also argue he was a huge detriment to his Mercy. Soldier is supposed to be self sufficient with his healing station. It allows him to take more aggressive off angles and makes him difficult to be pushed off. If the Mercy is constantly wasting resources res'ing the soldier, then those are resources not spent on more support dependent heroes. He was stealing resources from his team because his game sense was so bad. Even thinking of blaming the support here is wild. The only blame I'd lay on the Mercy is that they decided that the Soldier was the DPS to pocket. I probably would have given up on the Soldier and switched to the other DPS or tank after their first swap to Bastion.

@error404webpagenotfound

4 ай бұрын

​@@Atsuru I love how everyone wants to blame the Mercy when they're the problem. Why didn't they blame their other support? Bc they had a Mercy that's why. I absolutely agree on giving up with the Soldier as a Mercy. I would've given up bc trying to help the DPS that isn't as good as your other DPS isn't going to help the team out. I always boost the person who is pulling the most weight whether they are tank or DPS. Doing so is going to help the team more than trying to help someone who isn't doing well. I used to try and help out the person who was struggling bc I thought that would help out the team but in reality it helps more to pocket whoever is doing the most work. A lot of Mercy mains think it's an unwritten rule to damage boost the DPS, but if your DPS isn't pulling their weight then boost the person that is. I hate how people have this idea that playing Mercy is easy. She is in terms of mechanics but if you don't know how to properly play her and utilize her abilities correctly then you're not going be any good at playing her. She can help tremendously on a team if played correctly.

@Atsuru

4 ай бұрын

@error404webpagenotfound I agree and honestly, I find myself damage boosting the other support as well nowadays. Especially if they're bap.

This Soldier has a tendency to make himself an easy target, and bro, that Mercy was working double-time trying to keep you up, my guy.

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if them claiming the mercy wasn't doing anything is just that generic "blame the supports" mentality some OW players have. This mercy has been clearly doing her best to keep this whole team alive.

@noahodum9737

5 ай бұрын

While this person fed, got very little value, and ultimately just played poorly, one thing to really understand is that support holds the leash for the team. They can't do much/anything without the support healing them and enabling their off-angles or flanks. Speaking as a support main who coaches, I find that most supports are the reason that a team loses the game. Suboptimal picks, or just plain wrong picks into enemy team comp, inability to hit cooldowns (which are as strong as the other roles' ultimates), bad target priority (prioritizing a tank that isn't taking damage and letting dps die) and poor positioning is pretty common even in masters elo for supports.

@AJSLV2002

5 ай бұрын

​@noahodum9737 i disagree with you here. Sure, having a support pocket would have helped his weird plays. But they just weren't the right plays to be making here. Having a support follow him would just end up with two people on their team out of position as opposed to one. Especially since his team really could have done with having him in those fights. He was the best character on their team for controlling the high ground, and he wasn't there, so their team had free reign over it. On Rialto as well, where there's a lot of easily used high ground watching over the payload.

@noahodum9737

5 ай бұрын

@@AJSLV2002 I was not indicating support for him - quite the opposite. Just simply saying the general sentiment that supports are boosted is valid.

@AJSLV2002

5 ай бұрын

@noahodum9737 oh, i misunderstood then. I still don't 100% agree, but i will say there are plenty of boosted supports. I feel like putting a blanket statement like that is almost disingenuous to the supports that did actually work hard to climb. I don't really like blanket statements like that in general. Makes it too easy for some people to shift blame away from themselves, just like the guy in the video did.

@noahodum9737

5 ай бұрын

@@AJSLV2002 Unfortunately I have the pleasure of coaching a lot of people in the gold-diamond range. Each player is different but genuinely my observations are that silvers from OW1 are the new diamond players in OW2. Very little high ground usage, very little cover, no cooldown management hardly at all. Sure, blanket statements can be disingenous. I'm speaking to my personal experience playing through these ranks, as well as coaching them. With how powerful the support role is right now, there is a significant amount of players that are in ranks that they would never be able to dream about touching a year ago. I've consistently disagreed with the sentiment that support was weak on OW2's release. I found that the role was overtuned then, and has only gotten stronger. The playstyle changed is all. You couldn't healbot to GM anymore, and had to position like an FPS game should. Ultimately, I'm just a random shouting into the void though.

I really wonder why he commented on Mercy not playing well unless she/he was shittalking him or something and he decided to get mad at the person for that?Mercy ressed him alot in that game and healed him when he needed so not sure what he was on about maybe some Mercy mains see something.

@sunny3868

5 ай бұрын

the mercy was literally fine lol more healing than dmg bst at times but they also had mercy zen for a while, maybe he thought he was supposed to have the pocket all game or something…

@bluebirdhumming

5 ай бұрын

i think he just wanted the pocket honestly, i think shes playing pretty fine for her rank

@endless_del

5 ай бұрын

they saw the mercy make 1 maybe 2 bad plays and blamed her bc that's easier than looking at their own gameplay and recognizing they allowed a timebank snowball by deciding to play hanzo at the start

@Atsuru

4 ай бұрын

@@bluebirdhumming what's wild is that she was pocketing him for most of the game. I bet if you counted the res use, he'd also be the one that used the most of those too. The only mistake the Mercy made was sticking with the Soldier as the pocket DPS. I would have swapped off after the first round.

4:46 look at Hanzo's face XD

Part of me wonders just how and why people switch it up when things were going so well Like why did the enemy team get off of pharmercy. Did they think they wouldn't get away with it anymore after stomping the match?

Emongg: This is why, this is why... Random Ad: This is why i switched to....

Btw that Valk rez would work if Soldier secured kill on Moira. If your Mercy going to rez you need to push harder on enemies so they need to choose: die but kill rezing mercy or let mercy rez and not die.

@kurumi5850

5 ай бұрын

Yea its common sense. They would have won if they just won the game. Bad res by mercy. Its a risky res that didn’t work. It was ot fight was lost. Going for the res or not would most likely end the same having to re group cause they all died

This Hanzo player just showed why I won’t play rank as a fellow hanzo player until I know I’m good enough for it or even ok because I don’t wanna be the liability that loses every game

@brandoncole5533

3 ай бұрын

Same Ik my AIM with him is pretty good but I wouldn't wanna run into comp with him because ik while my aim is good I really don't utilize his movement as much as I should and ik id be a liability to the team

@CesarRodriguez-hn1vu

3 ай бұрын

@@brandoncole5533 update played a rank and my team blamed me saying I didn’t get enough kills when literally I couldn’t take on both a soldier and bastion at the same time and then someone on the other team said my hacks didn’t work when really it’s bad aim🙄

I fear the day when I watch one of these videos and it's a DPS/Tank blaming their supports and I'm the support on the team, because I will go on blast XD

It's legitimately concerning how many people can think they are doing well in this game while doing NOTHING but dying while EVERYONE can see the stats.

@TgPepper

5 ай бұрын

*Stats don’t indicate skill*

@StarsetFlight

5 ай бұрын

@@TgPepper Wrong.

@diablotry5154

5 ай бұрын

​@@StarsetFlightYou're wrong. What matters is the gameplay itself. Stats can be inflated super easily and don't tell you anything about the outcome of a match

@StarsetFlight

5 ай бұрын

@@diablotry5154 It's ok to be stupid. We still love you. I'm not wrong. Stats aren't everything but they are very clearly an indicator of skill. If you don't think they are then there isn't any hope for you.

@diablotry5154

5 ай бұрын

@@StarsetFlight 💀 sure thing champ

Several times while playing soldier he seemed like he was locking onto enemies. Idk if it was aim assist but it looked strange

@platesfordates

5 ай бұрын

I thought the same looks sus when we swap to 76 snappy aim then soft lock

@endless_del

5 ай бұрын

i didnt really pay attention for cheats, but "snappy" aim can be ping spikes/issues which will show up in replays

27:01 see I love this right here, this is important, but instead, I know a few people that instead of doing anything like this, would be anywhere else, leading to putting one of their supports at risk, in this case a Mercy, and would proceed to blame said Mercy for the entire loss. (they do this often, not their fault they lost, they lost because they had a Mercy etc)

Aim looks sus on 76

@chiefinasmith

4 ай бұрын

No it doesn’t lmao

@brandoncole5533

3 ай бұрын

In the beginning it did low-key but the more it went on the more realistic it looked Cuz the first 3 kills he got looked insane

yo emong! at 28:00 you made a whole point that the soldier was way out of position, but that was the reaper lmao

ITS VIDEO TIMEEEEE

How do you send in videos to try and get in one of these? Hard stuck in gold 3-4 mercy main, wondering what I'm doing wrong. Would like to be featured to get some advice and tips

@to4st1e121

5 ай бұрын

In his discord

@noahodum9737

5 ай бұрын

Healing too much, playing mercy in low elo where dps aren't utilizing damage boost well, probably not utilizing mercy's movement techs appropraitely (superjumping often and in the open), going for risky resses that don't get any value. (I coach a college team, our bench players are mostly gold-diamond, both our bench supports are mercy moira 2 tricks) Mechanics-wise mercy doesn't require a ton, but her movement is arguably the best in the game. You really shouldn't be dying hardly at all on mercy unless you aren't utilizing that or doing most of the above mentioned. The main stats you want to be looking at is blue-beam usage (50% or more) to see how much you're utilizing your main resource, deaths per 10 minutes (less than 4) to see your positioning, , Valkyrie healing per 10 minutes to see how often and how efficient you're using your ult. The goal is to maximize the ability in your kit. Deaths will tell you if your positioning and movement are hindering you. Blue-beam usage will tell you how much you're healing instead of boosting (in which case it's better to swap to a more efficient healbot like lifeweaver), valkyrie ult healing per 10 will tell you if you're holding your ult for too long or sending it every figh and how frequently you're building it up. What i normally see when I coach gold mercy's is that they're almost always out in the open using gold beam on tank. Gold beam can be fine to sustain your team, but blue beam is almost always better for most use cases. I then normally see them superjumping while in the open making them easy targets, or going for res in the open which either results in their death, or the ressed teammates immediate death.

@rezq9109

5 ай бұрын

don't do risky res, don't do res that will stagger your team, set your sense to at least 10 and move around your camera - that's pretty much it to reach the plat all that blue beam, movement tips aren't usable for gold, no one is focusing mercy anyways, even if they somehow do, one shift is usually enough for them to give up, cause golds don't have more than one plan

@JoeyAbdy-cn5hy

5 ай бұрын

dont play mercy i've solged ur problem

@noahodum9737

5 ай бұрын

@@rezq9109 yeah see - that’s terrible advice.

It’s wild watching some of these spectates and realizing that I’m in bronze 2 and better than some of these people who are in gold and plat

@GayPope

2 ай бұрын

clearly not or else you wouldn’t be bronze lmao, it’s not like gm players get stuck in diamond

How this dude was in gold and I am stuck in silver is beyond me

it's VIDEO time!

I am pretty sure they will derank to Bronze if they perform like this

Im sorry but doesnt the aim look a bit fishy 9:35-9:39?? What is that flicking?

Only a minute in and I'm already shocked they aren't even diamond yet

"It's video time" is so awful but I have unironically come to enjoy it so much

Stop focusing on your teammates and worry about yourself

This guy could be afk in spawn and it wouldn't make a difference. Open your Tab and see if you are doing DMG to the enemy team.

@nfortin24

5 ай бұрын

That really doesnt always mean anything.. ive been on teams that had almost everyone at 10k+ dmg but were too scared to push obj.. Stats only tell a partial story

@cic9341

5 ай бұрын

I think it would be better to afk bc now he is just feeding

@brainandforce

5 ай бұрын

@@nfortin24 Correct. You can have huge damage from shooting a Roadhog as Reaper, but if the Roadhog never dies it's not that big of a difference. The issue isn't damage, but target prioritization.

@josephreynolds2401

5 ай бұрын

Hanzo only needs to put elims on the board. Headshot elims or Tank focusing are both valid, but the headshot value gets elims without raising the dmg stat much. Tank focusing drains their teams resources and pads your damage stat (flashy, but not significant) as a means to an end. Soldier 76 suits this person's playstyle more. If you're trying to produce big numbers, he's the obvious choice.

@spp6849

3 ай бұрын

Not really true. It's both damage and elims. I've seen bastions with high damage and low elims and same with the rest of the team. You can't get shit done if the enemy isn't dying. Sombra is a good example. You could pick off support 10 times and the damage would come out to like 3k. Seems like shit but your team is winning because of those kills. Same with Mei. Not big damage dealers but they're good for making winning plays.

Hey everyone! This is my spectating video review. You can roast me here!

If I had this soldier aim I would be masters 100%. I got the worst aim and can run plat diamond games fine. How are you gold with soldier tracking like that

@brandoncole5533

3 ай бұрын

That's what I was thinking Heir His tracking is amazing

4 min and hanzo dont get kills...

Not Mercy's fault at all, obvi. Only thing I wish I saw from Mercy is more damage boost, especially in turret form for Bastion but again, not the Top 10 reasons they lost.

Iswearr these are the teamates i get. They be in plat2 ranks and getting rolled. this guy needs to be on silver not. even gold

idk why people just lie about there rank for a video like this. this is clearly an unranked quickplay match theres no other way

I've been saying what a treat for the last year and just realized im not even subbed to you kind sir.

its EU silver 2 hanzo play, in NA its plat rly ?

I kick ass as hanzo but lose anyways to dumb a teamates, i ran into 200 plus supports who say they dont do damage theyre only suppose to heal, like nah that aint how it works bub, do both

@spacecatmeows

5 ай бұрын

that's probably what you think, like the hanzo we were watching, once you watch your replay you'll realise you're just doing nothing

@christopherwilson5300

5 ай бұрын

@@spacecatmeows I had most kills, least deaths and had good positioning, I watched my replay twice, it was a mercy they never damage boosted anyone on the team. I watched their pov and just heal boted the whole round

@alien-ann

5 ай бұрын

​​@@christopherwilson5300 you suck never play mystery hero's again Also mercy had to heal more you had a zen you had 0 excuse your dmg was already discorded

@parkyercarcass

5 ай бұрын

@@christopherwilson5300 that is one game. if you are hard stuck, it is a skill issue and nothing else. if you are this good, you will climb out of the rank you are in. ranks are not a punishment/reward system, it is a calibration system. you're where you need to be.

@christopherwilson5300

5 ай бұрын

@@parkyercarcass I'm in gm, and ppl still talk like that its insane. I would expect from a silver lobby but gm, thats sad, it was a master 2 lobby too